12:51 pm April 30, 2011, by Carroll Rogers
April 30th, 20118:29 pm
only thing that would have made that run on rant perfect was if it was all CAPS…
April 30th, 20118:30 pm
N8 I agree with you RE: Phillies and took issue with the deluded article by Jeff Schulz right before the season stating that the Phils were the team with all the question marks while the Braves would win division. It was laughable in its homerism and lack of insight and the young season is already bearing that out.
I think the Braves can do better than 2 games under .500 but they are not pulling off the late inning heroics that allowed them to overachieve last year.
April 30th, 20118:33 pm
Some of you [a lot of you] have been saying “don’t worry its early” or words to that effect. The thing is you have been saying it since start of season. Well folks its getting late. Sure miss Bobby.
Probly gonna get ripped for saying this but screw it.
Did anyone else notice that Goerge Sherrill came in with 2 on and didn’t give up a run?
April 30th, 20118:35 pm
And besides, the bad April excuse is overblown, he hit 295 last year in April
And for his career he’s hit .239 (133/556) in April.
But Uggla’s hit .294 (154/523) in May.
But of course, I don’t know anything about baseball. I’ll let you smart folk keep discussing it.
April 30th, 20118:37 pm
“N8 its April……calm down. Plenty of seasons past the Braves started slow…………the freshest one, last year. I’m rather sure this is a better club than last year…..” Billy
If the Braves had a win every time somebody said “it’s April” or “it’s early”, they’d be 30 games up already.
As for previous slow starts (including last year) and this team being better than last years?
Totally agree. My point (as it’s been all winter and spring) is that the Phillies are considerably better. Thus the multiple posts about us maybe winning more games than we did last year and finishing further out of 1st place (or 2nd place for that matter) than we did last year.
There is a VERY real possibility in my book that we end up winning 95 games this year and finish 10 games back.
If starting TODAY, the Phillies play .500 ball for the rest of the year, they will win 86 games.
Braves would have to go 73-61 to “keep pace” with them. While I think it’s VERY possible the Braves go 73-61 (or better) the rest of the way. I don’t for one second think the Phillies are going to play “only” .500 ball the rest of the way. Do you?
I’m going to go on a limb here and assume that Mudge’s “95″ wins prediction is a tad short of what they’ll win. But let’s “pretend” that he’s right.
That means the Phillies would go 77-59 the rest of the way. Certainly a reasonable prediction.
In order for the Braves to match that, based on current records. They’d have to go 82-52 the rest of the way. Starting RIGHT NOW.
Please tell me any reason why you think this team might possibly play 30 games over .500 the rest of the way, based on what we’ve seen so far?
Long season…. blah, blah, blah…..”it’s early”….. blah, blah, blah….
Time to face facts Braves fans. The NL East is about done (as far as we’re concerned). Time to start watching the wild card standings.
That is unless the REAL Braves (or at least the ones we “hoped” we’d see) show up. But I’ve seen nothing that leads me to believe a turn around is coming.
The only thing that gives me hope is using the common sense logic that they can’t POSSIBLY be this bad for 6 months. I’m starting to even think that’s a stretch.
Starts at the top. Fredi hasn’t shown me squat. His pitching coach is a baffoon. The Ace wants to race his Porsche, what’s next?
Last year, April was filled with question marks going in. So while disappointing it was somewhat predictable. This team was supposed to be so much better.
New power RH bat. Prado instead of Melky/Diaz in LF, the “return” of Nate McLouth, New manager = new life and enthusiasm, Chipper coming back and “tearing” the cover off the ball, Jason Heyward a year older and wiser, etc…..
THAT is why this is so frustrating to watch. They’re not supposed to be this bad. On the flipside, anybody with half a brain KNEW the Phillies would be this good.
It’s going to be a long summer. Still might end up being a good one. But it’s going to be a grind….. and it didn’t have to be that way.
April 30th, 20118:38 pm
Very underachieving team the Braves are. They have been since August of last year. Only a .500 ball club, if that. You could also say they found a way to get beat by San Fran in the playoffs rather than found a way to win. Kind of like with the Cards last two games.
Pitching is good enough to keep them in most all games but offensively we can’t find any magic like we did last year. Last year it was a different person each night it seemed like. This year it isn’t anybody. Everyone waiting for someone else to do something. You know when they fall behind late they aint coming back. Cards have a very confident determined bunch over there. Their role players are killing us.
April 30th, 20118:39 pm
The thing is you have been saying it since start of season. Well folks its getting late
I know, only 134 games and 5 months left in the season. Where has the time gone?
Look, I hate to see the Braves lose and fall behind. I really think once the bats (mainly Martin and uggla) heat up, the Braves will be deadly. And they will heat up: history has shown to us that Prado and Uggla are good hitters.
April 30th, 20118:41 pm
The Braves’ bullpen has blown 2 consecutive games, but their 2.88 ERA is among the best in the NL. And that’s without one of the primary setup men.
We just need to worry about the bats getting hot.
April 30th, 20118:43 pm
Not much to say because I don’t know how to fix what is wrong with Braves. We can’t get a good hitting outfielder because players that the Braves would be willing to trade are worth nothing in trade. We can’t fire Fredi because Liberty Media would not let us eat almost 3 years of his saliery. Why we signed him to a three year deal? Don’t ask. STUPITY! The man has a loseing record as MGR in both major and minor leagues liftime.
April 30th, 20118:44 pm
“I think the Braves can do better than 2 games under .500 but they are not pulling off the late inning heroics that allowed them to overachieve last year.” carlchamblee
Totally agree about the doing better than 2 games under .500.
Where I disagree is so many people using the decline (or predicted decline) in late inning heroics as an excuse.
The lineup sucked last year. Save one month, Troy Glaus was a disaster. Nate sucked. Melky was worthless. Chipper was worthless in general and pathetic as a guy locked into the 3 hole. Yunel was BEYOND worthless for 3 months. Gonzo was an upgrade but not as good as he was in Toronto after the trade. Ankiel was a pathetic replacement for a pathetic guy he was replacing (save his “splash” ball in the playoffs – and his arm).
That team last year NEEDED late inning heroics to survive.
This lineup wasn’t supposed to run into those issues.
Nate was “back”.
Prado in LF
Chipper was “coming back”
Mac is Mac
Heyward in year two
Gonzo for a full year
Freeman and his glove > than Troy Glaus
and most importantly the addition of Dan Uggla was going to add thunder to the middle of our LH heavy lineup and make pitchers pay.
If these guys simply play to their career averages, this lineup will hit. But the longer it goes WITHOUT them doing that, it’s going to require 3-4 of them to have MONSTER second halves of the season to even remotely stay in the wild card race.
Time to stop saying “it’s early” people. Time for this lineup to “sh!t or get off the pot”.
April 30th, 20118:45 pm
N8 I agree with you RE: Phillies and took issue with the deluded article by Jeff Schulz right before the season stating that the Phils were the team with all the question marks while the Braves would win division. It was laughable in its homerism and lack of insight and the young season is already bearing that out
The only thing this young season is proof of so far is that the braves have been slow out the gate offensively, as per usual, and that the phillies are making hey right now with one of the easiest April Schedules. Braves have played 3 teams who have losing records(Was,NYM,SD) and won all 3 series, in contrast the phils have played two teams with winning records(Mil,Fl) for a total of 5 games and have won 2 of those games. Bad combination for the braves to be struggling and playing a tougher schedule doesn’t make it easier. That’s not an excuse for the braves performance, they have lost many a game they should have won but to act like the phillies are that much better because they have taken advantage so far of a very weak schedule is a little unfair to me.
Having said that the braves have to do better no matter the team. Their fate is in their hands. They have the talent to do better. Currently that talent is just underachieving.
April 30th, 20118:50 pm
McCann best hitting catcher in baseball or at least NL and All Star. Prado Allstar, Heyward Allstar, Chipper HOF switch hitter, Uggla All-Star, Nate, one time All-Star. Too much talent to not hit.
April 30th, 20118:51 pm
Good point Jake. But the longer this goes on, the more worried I get.
It’s like an avalanche that started out as a snowball. Losing is contageous. Right now this team reminds me of the 2009 team that simply found a new way to lose every other game.
I’m not dumb enough to think that there isn’t time to turn it around and for me to have such high expectations going into the season means I think the players are pretty good.
I still think that way. But I’m beginning to doubt that they have the proper leadership in place to help begin the turn around. I wasn’t hip on Fredi to begin with. Then I changed my mind with some of his “lip service” thinking things might change. But once spring training and now the games begin, I almost can’t wait for him to go away.
Not liking how he’s handling a lot of things. But that being said, he inherited a few worthless players. So until he can have more say in the 25 man roster, I’ll cut him some slack.
April 30th, 20118:52 pm
Well outta here, later ya all, have as good a one as you can. Hope Braves do better tomorrow.
They have the talent to do better. Currently that talent is just underachieving.
Well said. If we don’t stop underavhieving soon, it’s gonna be a long season
April 30th, 20118:53 pm
Monty, Chipper being a HOF switch hitter and McLouth being an All-star in 2008 doesn’t have a damn bit of anything to do with helping this team hit this year.
If it does, Wren should do his best to see if Hank Aaron, David Justice and Ron Gant want to suit up. They all have nice resumes too.
April 30th, 20118:54 pm
Jeffrey I think we all woulda took Uggs hitting 239 in April instead of the sub 2 hundy we got.
And he hit last April so it proves it’s possible and not just an accepted fact he must suck for the first month every year.
But your usual sarcasm is duly noted…
April 30th, 20118:57 pm
I agree Carl…I know when you’re hitting .195 or whatever Uggla’s at, you’d take .239 in a heartbeat. For whatever reason, Uggla doesn’t start out too well (2010 excluded). Seems like this year has been worse than usual. With tomorrow being the start of May, hopefully he’ll magically turn things around. He’s gonna have to…
The big question is can we beat Philly in the head to head games we have left? There are what? 15 games left with them. Problem is they have kicked our butt the last 10-12 games. Right now we will have to hope the Phillies lose a key guy to injury to have a chance, We can’t just assume the Braves will flip the light switch in May like last year. I mean I wouldn’t complain, but just can’t assume they will.
April 30th, 20118:59 pm
N8 – I think monty’s just trying to stay positive. He’s saying (or I think he’s saying….sorry if I’m putting words in your mouth, monty) that these guys have proved that they’re top hitters before, so we know the talent’s there. They’ve just chosen this time to simultaneously suck. Hopefully they’ll get things figured out soon.
April 30th, 20119:02 pm
Nobody’s past helps them in the present, of course. Just pointing out that we have enough talent to not be this bad. Last time I checked being an Allstar meant you had a little. Other teams are playing as well if not better than Braves with maybe 1 or 2 guys tops making it to the All-Star game.
April 30th, 20119:04 pm
Right ‘O Jeffrey D.
April 30th, 20119:09 pm
But the longer this goes on, the more worried I get.
It’s like an avalanche that started out as a snowball. Losing is contageous. Right now this team reminds me of the 2009 team that simply found a new way to lose every other game.
I understand the frustration with this team. A lot of talent and for it to be adding up to a losing record so far is not good but if anything I hope we learned something from this April. Maybe we have learned who needs to be in the pen and who needs to be out. We have learned that our two biggest question marks offensively can be productive(Chipper coming off his injury and the disappointing Nate McLouth). Our defense has not been our downfall. Brandon Beachy is a solid pitcher. JJ looks to be back to his 2009 form. Really the only thing that we are waiting for is this offense to click. Having everything else but that be good gives me faith that this team has plenty of time to turn it around for a playoff spot because we are just missing that one thing, offense. I know the bullpen has been a little shaky of late but a little more offense could help that out and not to mention our starters appear to be getting later in games.
April 30th, 20119:11 pm
Jeffrey I also think he will be more Uggla and less Uggl-y in May and beyond. And it will make a big diff in middle of order.
April 30th, 20119:21 pm
On two losses in a row slipping away:
“We were in line to win two, but they’re allowed to win too. They’re allowed to get hits and make plays. We just didn’t do it. Every time you lose a ball game it hurts. I don’t think it matters at what point in the game it does. Maybe a little later in the game a little more.”
Above Fredi’s post game comment
My comment Fredi should Stop saying how good the other guys are. That really is wearing thin as we continue to lose. OH MY we do miss Bobby.
Just thought a would share some thing. Last year April 29th 2010:
Braves 8 wins 14 loses.
This year April 30th
Braves 13 wins 15 loses
I say not bad so far………
April 30th, 20119:23 pm
N8 I wasn’t using “late inning heroics” as an excuse. Just sayin’ that a team that is decent or pretty good
(as opposed to great) can mask a lot of issues and overachieve if they pull out a lot of games late. That’s what happened last year. One big hit in two or three close games so far this year and we’d be saying the Braves are off to a relatively good start at 16-12 or something instead of mired at two games under.
But I agree in general that good teams should not have to rely on magic finishes. If the offense was doing their job sufficiently this season the team would have a lot better record.
losses suck – regardless today was a good baseball game with great weather
You guys do know that last year, at this very time, it was worse. Our offense was bad even compared to this years’. We had just lost nine straight and were in last place.
I’m sure the comments on the blog a year ago pretty closely resembled those tonight.
Not sayin’ that a bad start is no big deal. It makes it that much harder to get to the post-season. But those “ballgaming” the season are pretty poor students of history.
“-Journey’s “Don’t Stop Believing” beat out a Justin Bieber song for fan song choice between innings. By a lot.”
Glad I didn’t Go To the Game, I would’ve Puked having to hear that Crap! Added to the Crap that was on the field
April 30th, 20119:28 pm
All true MikeinFl. Way too early to write off season. But I’m thinking wild card they ain’t catching Philly unless a string of unfortunate events befall the Philthies. We couldn’t keep a midseason 7 game lead on them last year let alone catch up to them from way behind
Were You suprised that there were only 30K people at the game?
April 30th, 20119:31 pm
My comment Fredi should Stop saying how good the other guys are.
I don’t mind him saying that. If anything can come from these two losses that could be considered positive is that I wouldn’t mind our team doing some of the things the cards did when they faced a tough pitcher, a pitcher not likely to give up the homer, some of their hitters cut down on their swing and took the ball the other way. To many braves hitters swinging like their playing in citizens bank park. I like homers and extra base hits as much as the next guy, I just also happen to like singles and the spoiling of good pitches with an approach at the plate that seems to be well thought out.
April 30th, 20119:40 pm
We couldn’t keep a midseason 7 game lead on them last year let alone catch up to them from way behind
We had a 9 game losing streak last season, not sure how far we fell behind but I believe we did show we can catch up with the phillies, and not only did we catch up with them, we built a significant lead which began to whither with every injury we began to take on. I think its fair to say the injuries did us in more than just the mighty phillies.
April 30th, 20119:41 pm
Yeah – It’s getting late – Only 134 games left.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
April 30th, 20119:48 pm
That’s IT?? Holy cr…wull, all my hopes for the season just flew out the window…
April 30th, 20119:49 pm
It was an 11 on the WIZometer
April 30th, 20119:51 pm
McFann – That’s right. We’re close to mathematical elimination. Break out your bike helmet to protect from pieces of falling sky
April 30th, 20119:53 pm
And maybe a haz mat suit for when you blog to protect from all that flying vitriol and venom.
I’m on my way to the garage to get it, now…
April 30th, 20119:54 pm
Photos are uploading now McFann. You’ll see the Braves, Pujols, JJ from PTV, and more.
And once again – if you want to see some real cap tippin, check the replay of the game at the bottom of the 6th during Chipper’s AB.
got laughed on the board when i said kimrbell would crap the bed with a one run lead.
got lasughed off when i said macc aint a cleanup guy.
so our closer has now blown four games, and our clenup hitter has three extra base hits.
April 30th, 20119:56 pm
No – he;s blown three. Can’t get a blown save in a non save situation. Game was tied when he came in.
April 30th, 20119:57 pm
And of course, McCann will end the season – what was that? 134 games from now? with only three XBH, right?
Cool! Can’t wait to see the photos! Hopefully I’ll be able to get the link to work…
Dang…did FOX replay the game??
April 30th, 20119:58 pm
My comment Fredi should Stop saying how good the other guys are. _LTBF
I’m with Jake W on this one. Holliday showed why he is hitting .400 in that AB against Kimbrel. Fastball at the knees, outer half, and he smokes into right field. Good pitch, credit Holliday.
Fastball up and in to Laird, should have broken his bat instead he hits it to the wall for a triple. I want to say I don’t know how he did it, but I do, I just have a hard time believing he did it anyway. Good pitch, credit Laird.
April 30th, 20119:59 pm
It’s awful…BMac’s AVG with RISP is in danger of slipping below .600, if it hasn’t already…and no, he’s never gonna hit another Double…EVER. Ballgame.
Tip thy cap. Credit the opposition.
April 30th, 201110:00 pm
You more got laughed off the board when you said BMac wasn’t a #5 guy and that he was gonna hit .245 this year…
lew, i love macc, but he aint a four hole guy.
April 30th, 201110:01 pm
McFann – Please don’t cry. We’ll find you another player since Mac is obviously done.
ugabrave – Right. And Hanson is still looking for an out pitch.
April 30th, 201110:02 pm
macfann, he aint a cleaup guy. he is a frrickin six hole guy.
Bay Area Steve
If you go ‘tip thy cap,’ don’t you have to go credit ‘thy’ opposition?
I think so…
April 30th, 201110:03 pm
I’ll try to control myself. [sobsigh]…What’s the name of that 19 year-old catching prospect we have in High-A or wherever…?
Here we go. Some of my pics from today’s game:
April 30th, 201110:04 pm
Yeah, last year hitting cleanup he only lead the team in HR and RBI – without a bona fide power hitter hitting behind him in the lineup.
Dude – this ain’t investing where you have to sell short or lose your behind – it’s baseball, 28 games into the season.
BMac is not a “frickin six-hole guy”! Four hole…five hole…Just wait till Uggla turns it on! Then BMac will really catch fire…
why you blitzed so early?
Toss in a spell-check, admit the .245 was nonsense, and tell me GSP is gonna win this fight early, so I can pay my rent…
April 30th, 201110:06 pm
I love me some McFann, but ever since she’s relented on the 16at4 stuff, I’ve got to admit, I’ve lost a little respect…
Did you Marteeeeeeeeen when he was at the on-deck circle?
Thanks Lowe, thanks McDowell. Way to represent your team and your town. Way to give the hometown fans pride and confidence in their team.
Mac may not be the prototypical clean up hitter, but he’s the best cleanup guy we currently have on this team.
lew, yeah right. i am wrong. i would not be the first time. but they aint winning.
beachy pitches a gem. no raeson not to bring in venters after the double.
then the walk.
got a empty uniform running the show.
April 30th, 201110:07 pm
Well done, jd. The pics, the report. All of it.
And, I’m really tryin’ to forgive you for missing BP. I’m not sayin’ I have the ability, but I am trying.
April 30th, 201110:08 pm
No – they’re not winning – consistently. But like I said – only 134 games left. Still won more than we did at this time last year and it’s a better team.
Lew, you said Kimbrel blew three saves? I thought it was only two.
April 30th, 201110:09 pm
Bay Area Steve but ever since she’s relented on the 16at4 stuff, I’ve got to admit, I’ve lost a little respect…
Me, too…got on my nerves like you wouldn’t believe. Actually, I’ve been bugging myself quite a bit this year, too, which is why I don’t post quite as much as I had been.
But I thought I’d cut down on the cleanup stuff…hadn’t I…?
GREAT photos! Thanks for sharing!
bay area the prado beer fest. played 36 today. tipped it off at 7:24.
April 30th, 201110:10 pm
The Braves are a great team. Eat it, haters.
April 30th, 201110:11 pm
Nice jeffery, thanks.
lew, not picking a fight, but fredo use of the bullpen is somewaht mind boggling.
April 30th, 201110:12 pm
Did you Marteeeeeeeeen when he was at the on-deck circle? Soph
And, I’m really tryin’ to forgive you for missing BP. I’m not sayin’ I have the ability, but I am trying. BAS
I really wish I could’ve made it, but I had another committment at 8 this morning, and apparently BP starts at 10:30. I wasn’t able to get there until about noon.
Trey – I stand corrected. You’re right – it IS only two. Must have been thrown by ugabrave’s claim of four. But he’s only saved seven so far.
April 30th, 201110:13 pm
And I’m back to misspelling jeffrey.
Maybe that will change the Braves luck.
You missed my point, Mac, I think. relented = stopped
(And let me first say, do what you do, young’un. You’re just fine.)
I’m sayin’ I truly miss you complainin’ about it. (And, the third turtle; how can it not be time for the third turtle?)
Though, I think what I mean is: I really would like to win more games, and until that happens, I gotta find some stuff to talk about…
I think you’re lying but I guess I’ll have to believe you.
should of at least two of these. the loss in sandiego, and one of these last two at home.
April 30th, 201110:14 pm
Oh, I added 2 more pictures which I’m not sure why didn’t make my original cut. One of Martin walking from the dugout to the on deck circle (the only one you can see his face), and another one of Martin and Heyward, where Heyward looks like he’s yelling at someone.
ugabrave – I’ve been watching ML Baseball for over 50 years now. One thing I’ve learned is that there never has been a ML Manager whose bullpen moves can’t be questioned on a daily basis.
I take pride in my honesty – I did one “MARTEEEEEN.”
April 30th, 201110:15 pm
not picking a fight, but fredo use of the bullpen is somewaht mind boggling
Maybe thats because after Venters, EOF, and Kimbrel the pen is pretty much mind boggling. The only real decision I disagree with him doing is leaving in Jairo in SF with no one warming up. Since Moylan has gone down Fredi is just looking for someone who can come in and give him a 1-2-3 inning.
I won’t believe this year’s team is better than last year’s team until it does more than last year’s team.
lew, i got him on today. last night and L.A. that is three.
April 30th, 201110:16 pm
I knew as soon as I ordered my chicken fingers that I’d get on TV. Sure enough, the Braves scored that inning and my friend texted me “You’re on TV. Stop eating.”
That’s when I made up for it with my 6th inning cap tip.
Chop Chop – Dude, you won’t even believe it then.
April 30th, 201110:17 pm
What did we think of Fredi pulling Kimbrel? I think it was probably the best move, but is that a sign of not having confidence in your young closer?
Someone could look it up and comment that Heap’s numbers are prototypical for a clean up hitter again. But not me.
ugabrave – I wouldn’t bother counting. You’ll run out of fingers.
April 30th, 201110:18 pm
Oh yeah, and Kimbrel came out to “Welcome to the Jungle.” Not sure how long he’s been doing that, but I remember Carroll telling us earlier that he came out to Megadeth or something like that
uga-brave, he didn’t blow a save today. Venters did.
Or computer space. He’s a ML manager.
lew, i agree. if we hit it does not come down to that.
once again i agree.
cant win scoring 2 and 3 at home.
April 30th, 201110:19 pm
Trey – NO he didn’t – those runs were charged to Beachy. Venters didn’t get credited with a hold.
Damn right, Lew. I won’t be happy with this team until they’ve won a World Series, and that happiness will only last until the next day.
April 30th, 201110:20 pm
trey, try again. venters may have blown it on scorecard but fredo blew it today.
GREAT photos! Thanks for sharing!
This one has to be my favorite. I had already snapped my B-Mac picture, but this one (towards the end of the game) I thought was pretty picturesque.
ugabrave – NOW you’ve got it. Knew that Bulldawg education would click in.
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