10:00 am April 28, 2011, by Carroll Rogers
April 28th, 201110:56 am
No coaches union to protect him? He is gone. This would be a slap on the wrist and a sorry Mr Selig but you can’t get rid of me if this was a player.
April 28th, 201110:57 am
He’s a high paid jock. Is anybody even surprised?
Why would fan hire Gloria Allred if all he wanted was for RM to apologize? There’s more to story than just whats being told. RM didn’t just go crazy for nothing. Just like the Fans at LA beating the SF fan to death after game couple weeks ago in parking lot. The fans had to say the majic words to get that reaction. Self -defense is ok if you are anything except st-white..right? What has America come to. Stop selling Beer etc at games would help. To many drunks.
How old is this guy? 9? Really, there is no excuse for this. Wow, someone yelled something he didn’t like? Don’t care. He is there to represent the Braves. He has issued an apology. Good. Looks like he admitted to it. Demote him to the minors.
April 28th, 201110:58 am
this isn’t political “extremus.” why do some people have to make everything about politics?
Welcome back Leo Mazzone…
April 28th, 201110:59 am
Ok here goes, I’ll be the bad guy on this blog for all you libs SF types. Roger over-reacted to the the heckling by those fans. Especially the father with his daughter, that is the only thing that bothers me. If I had been that dad, the 2-3 gay guys sitting near me and my daughter who were acting up would have been my first concern. Probably would have told them to shut up. Seems like a double standard to me, if gays are berated or hassled they file complaints and wine about it, but if the gays are hassling someone that seems to be okay with society. Buying a ticket only allows you to go so far with your conduct towards others. Everyone knows that SF is the gay capital of the world but that does not give them special rights to hassle anyone just because they are not the same as them. Before you start to call me names, I do not bother anyone that is gay nor do I expect someone who is gay to bother me! The hecklers should have been tossed out of the stadium if it was that offensive and Roger should not have vented towards the dad and his daughter!!
growing older, but not up
Looking forward to hearing Roger’s side of the sorry. Everyone is beating him up based on what Self-Glorified Gloria has to say?
Matt the Brave
While I agree with most people saying that he shouldn’t lose his job, this is the Braves. Make waves and you’re done.
uh, story. . .
April 28th, 201111:00 am
“No HR manual says that even if you are berated by a customer, can you retaliate with obscenities and threats even if they did it to you first. You simply walk away. Roger is a loudmouth jerk, I know I watched him as a met fan years ago. He has to go.”
Every place I’ve worked has had it in the manual that if a customer was verbally abusing and/or berating you, you could respond verbally in any way you see fit so long as it wasn’t against the law. So while that means you can’t threaten customers, you *can* tear them a new one verbally without repercussions.
Leo isn’t coming back. Give it a rest.
RD should know better but, political correctness has gone way to far. It isn’t like he was saying that to a gay couple holding hands, they were simulating a sex act with a bat, in the stands??? Really??? Now how the father and daughter got involved and why RD snapped at them isn’t very clear, but perhaps the father should have told the simulators to mind their manners around kids as well
April 28th, 201111:01 am
I wasn’t there so I wouldn’t know to what degree Roger McDowell “threatened” the family with the bat. Obviously if he so much as gestured with it then it was a very, very stupid move on his part, but it is entirely possible that the family is grossly exaggerating what occurred.
Compare this incident with one where Ty Cobb ran up into the stands and began beating a disabled WWI vet who’d been heckling him bloody. When another fan cried out that the man had no arms, Cobb responded (and I’m paraphrasing as it’s been a long time since I read this) “Then he should have kept his mouth shut!” From what I’ve read it is apparent Cobb had no love for people of color either. Of course Ty Cobb is now in the Hall of Fame and his statue sits in front of Turner Field. MLB has always had a double standard regarding its players and how much character counts in being inducted into the HOF. Compared to Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, and Roger McDowell, Ty Cobb was in a class by himself. If MLB can look past his transgressions, then it definitely should theirs as well.
April 28th, 201111:02 am
Wowwwww. Just now able to get link to load on my phone. Did not expect the allegation to be this bad. What in the world was he thinking?
I’ll tell ya who we should get as a stopgap, at least. Dave Wallace.
April 28th, 201111:05 am
Big deal. It is hard to ascertain the bigger parasite- Allred or Selig. McDowell should have taken the safe route and taken a shot at Christians. He would have been safe from criticism.
And, yes, Conservative Johnson, the First Amendment does protect McDowell’s right to free speech.
And for those proposing sensitivity training, you are ridiculous. What a waste of time.
I live in the bay area and am a giants fan. I was just listening to our local sports station and there are witnesses that have emailed and said that this Quinn guy was more of an instigator than he is leading on. So although McDowell needs to remain professional, this Quinn guy was probably an idiot too.
April 28th, 201111:06 am
Don’t forget, he also spit on Kramer and Newman!
April 28th, 201111:08 am
There was a second spitter!!
But seriously, Roger made a very poor decision here. Shame on him. He’ll get what he deserves, I hope.
Real quick, let’s say you wait tables for a living and a customer is being difficult. I’m sure there are a lot of things that you want to say to that person, but don’t out of respect for the fact that you need to maintain your job.
Surely, your personal prejudices would come to mind, but you keep them to yourself. You can’t act that way in ANY field. People love to blame “political correctness” when they’re not able to spit whatever bile comes to their mind whenever they want.
Face it, in ANY field of work, if an employee acted that way towards customers they would lose their job immediately. That’s not “political correctness” that’s a company doing what it needs to to preserve it’s business.
Let’s say you owned a contracting company and your company was doing work on a gay person’s home, would you appreciate your EMPLOYEE using gay slurs to the customer because he was being picky about something? NO! You would lose THAT business and probably a lot of business in the area due to bad word of mouth. People can say whatever they want, it’s a free country, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be FREE-MARKET consequences to those actions… i.e. losing business.
April 28th, 201111:09 am
Not Politically correct, but hilarious!
April 28th, 201111:10 am
Did anyone notice that I didn’t yell “first”?
April 28th, 201111:12 am
So, if I stand in front of your kids shouting obscenities, can I just say, “it’s my first amendment right!” When you come to punch me? I mean obviously, I have that right if you want to evoke the first amendment in a case like this don’t I? but last time I checked, assault is illegal. So, I’ll be walking around John’s Creek tonight yelling gay slurs, racial slurs and all obscenities that come to mind because my first amendment rights say it’s OK… I’m sure that the cops will obviously see it the same way.
Later, I’ll yell “fire” in a crowded theater and evoke the 1st amendment again.
My point is, there ALWAYS limitations to free speech in any civilized society
ShenValley VA Fan
April 28th, 201111:13 am
Matt, GOOD summary of life 101!!!!!!!
The Daddy should have got security and they would have handle the problem. It happens all the time as I’m x security for Braves.
roger is probably in the wrong here, but ive seen many cases where the flamboyant attorney on one side wildly exaggerates what happened. its part of trial strategy, and it starts with the media.
April 28th, 201111:14 am
Sonny, I’m very proud of your self-restraint. Now, go to your room.
While we all rant about PC and what he shouldn’t have said, the operative question is whether he threatened somebody while holding a baseball bat.
April 28th, 201111:15 am
Why do people find it necessary to compare professional athletes or coaches to regular “9 to 5″ jobs? By saying things like “No HR manual says…” or by saying “How would you like people standing over your shoulder sreaming at you all day at work…” you are drawing a false parellel.
The fact is that these jobs are unique. They get paid handsomely to put up with stuff that you or I do not, or should not have to deal with. That being said, they can also feel the need to snap back or saying something equally as atrocious as what has been said to them.
My question is why did the father of these girls feel it necessary to start an altercation with McDowell? It sounds like Roger was talking to another group of people and this guy chimed in. then Roger may or may not have said something to the man. Now the guy feels that he needs to take his entire family down to LA to have a prepared press conference with Gloria Allred? Did I miss something here?
The quip or joke to the group of guys about the “Gay couple or threesome” was not all that bad, but if he actually threatened someone (and they have multiple people, or evidence to back it up) OR if he actually said the ridiculous line of “kinds don’t belong at the bleepin baseball park”, then he should be fired.
I am going to go out on a limb and say that, at the very least, the “kids dont belong…” comment is fabricated because the exact quote the guy gave included the words “baseball park”, which if you have ever been around anyone that cares about baseball you know that you never use the words “baseball park”, you just say “ballpark”. It is kind of like how homeplate is always called “the plate” or “homeplate”, not “home base”.
I think that line was fabricated by the father or Allred because they knew that would strike a cord with everyone as an idiotic statement that would definitely be the wrong message for the Braves or MLB to have to stand behind. That is just my opinion.
If it is ALL true, then HE GONE! If not, then this family is shameful and an example of everything wrong with todays lawsuit-obsessed society.
April 28th, 201111:16 am
There are limitations. I should be able to take my child out to a game without having to hear obscenities. I have never heard players or coaches respond before. Usually the terrible behavior is on the part of the fans. Now, I would never take my child to a game when the Phillies are in town. Those people have no guage with which to control their behavior.
Braves need to conduct some in-house training. Clearly other employees witnessed this on-field behavior and did not report it; or it was reported and ignored by on-site supervisors including the coach.
April 28th, 201111:17 am
Wow what a bunch of hypocrites we’ve become as a society! As if NOBODY has ever made a racial joke, homophobic slur, etc to friends. His only mistake was to say it in a public forum. It seems we all have the need to ‘crucify’ someone in order to eradicate the guilt over our own shortcomings. Another example here of the wussification of America. “He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone”.
Nick N Richmond
So how bout them Braves!
No longer a Braves fan
April 28th, 201111:18 am
Quinn’s attorney, celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred, said McDowell responded by saying “Kids don’t [expletive] belong at the baseball park.”
She also said McDowell walked toward him in a threatening manner, holding a bat. Quinn said McDowell asked him “How much are your teeth worth?”
So, I guess I will not be taking my 6 and 8 year old to Turner Field. I guess McDowell is express the organizations views on who should attend the games. Thanks for saving my money, I appreciate it. We are now Detroit Tigers fans.
What a jerk!
Big deal…I can only imagine what the fans were saying to precipitate this. Fans at most sporting events are out of control and need to be put in their place on occasion. So somebody got called a name…big deal.
April 28th, 201111:19 am
McDowell,Quinn,alred,and selig were last seen taking batting practice with charlie sheen and coach hall at Ga. Tech(NO,I am not a uga grad)
April 28th, 201111:20 am
The threat – if true – was not wise.
The “couple or threesome” remark….get over it. Just here on this blog, Roger has been called :
What a loser
jerks like McDowell
Oh, and I don’t care who I’ve “offended”. I’m “offended” everyday.
April 28th, 201111:21 am
Just let the whole story come out and then we can all decide what is best. As for right now we are just speculating. It looks bad but just given the fact that this guy hired Allred or whatever her name is, makes it look like a publicity stunt that was perhaps set up in some manner. Perhaps the guy went to the game with personal knowledge about Roger and then started verbally hacking away about his family. I’m sorry, politically correct or not but when someone attacks you personally then few of us would have the ability to keep our cool.
OK, if Roger did those things, then yes the Braves should take whatever action needed. But if that were me with my wife and kids, what the heck do I need a lawyer for? Seriously. Why hire a lawyer and Gloria Allred for that matter. What exactly is the lawyer for?
Leo already has a pretty good gig. Although you can tell by him talking on the air he is itching for the right situation.
Frankly, I was willing to agree that this went down the way the SF fan claimed it did — right up to the moment when I saw the photo of his whole family at a table with Gloria Allred with them!
Right then, I smelled a rat!
Allred is a sleaze lawyer who gives lawyers a bad name. For this fan within 48 hours, or less, of the action, already having a photo taken with the whole family and Allred at a big table, that tells me this fan is someone who knows what buttons to press to cash in on an issue. And Allred’s history is one of a lawyer who is perfectly willing to cook up accusations that simply are not true!
McDowell may well have yelled back junk to a couple of fans who themselves were hurling invectives. That’s nothing new. But the real issue is the honesty of the report that McDowell actually held a bat in a threatening manner as he asked a fan “how much [his] teeth are worth!”
Without Allred’s presence I may have given the fan’s statement credence. With Allred’s presence so quickly after the incident, I have serious doubts as to the fan’s integrity.
The real insult is that a matter like this will end up in litigation.
Children, there are 2 lessons to be learned here: (1) never be politically incorrect; and (2) daddy is rich and can afford Gloria Allred, so whatever troubles you in life, don’t worry; daddy and his money will take care of it.
Roger has always been a jerk. There is no excuse if the allegations are true and he should fired asap. What would happen to someone in other enterprises if he acted this way toward a customer/client? After an investigation he would lose his job no question. All I can say is “Roger, over and out.”
April 28th, 201111:22 am
Come on people guess you never attended a game that Maddux pitched? He had the worst mouth in the gae and you want to build him a statue. Sorry but some fans take it too far and players and coaches are people too they have bad days and errors in judgement just like the rest of us. Get over it he apologized for his actions and if it happens again then you have to take appropriate action but a first time slip up is not a fireable offense. Also I hope the Braves or MLB doesn’t give one red cent to this money hungry lawyer. I think that if this guy’s story is true then he should get an in person apology from Roger and he his family shoud maybe get a free tickets to a future game of their choice but thats all the compensation that they would get if I was in charge.
i heard roger was WASTED!
Baseball is wondering why it is not attracting a younger audience?
I guess it is because kids are not suppose to go to games. What a good guy you are McDowell!
I thought it was a kid’s game that adult were fortunate to play for money. I will not be down at Turner with my kids that is for sure. I like my teeth in my mouth, however if McDowell did knock them out. I do have a good attorney and the Braves, McDowell, and Liberty Media(whoever they are?) have some pretty deep pockets.
April 28th, 201111:23 am
Simmer down, man. It’s pretty clear that McDowell acted very inappropriately and said things he should be disciplined for. I agree with you that the First Amendment (for the most part) only protects free speech when said speech is appropriate and non-endangering to other parties.
My point about political correctness was in regard to the wholesale destruction of anyone and their career who makes even an offhand remark that offends certain segments of our society. Doesn’t matter that they may be behaving like jerks within the context of the event or whether, like happened to (former) Miss California, they’re simply answering a direct question in an honest and non-threatening manner; the results are the same branding as a bigot and societal persecution by a tenacious, liberally slanted media.
Roger McDowell behaved like a jerk and his behavior reflects poorly on the Braves organization; fine. If the Braves discipline or fire him, they’re within their rights to do so. But dogpiling on McDowell or anyone else specifically because they happen to utter a non-PC word or two during their remarks is quite simply thought-policing and against the principles America was founded upon.
April 28th, 201111:24 am
Not sure this story makes any sense, why would Roger just threaten a guy over being told that there are kids around. This whole thing seems fishy, besides the guy in San Fran hired a celebrity lawyer, Red Flags Anyone??? It just doesn’t make any sense, and to those threatening to not go to braves games . . . FINE its not like anyone but me shows up anyways . . .GO BRAVES
April 28th, 201111:25 am
The Tigers have or had Gary Sheffield. Look up his views on the subject. Good luck getting through downtown Detroit safely. Good riddance!
Of course we all have… among FRIENDS. If we do it at our job however, there are consequences. I agree with a lot of what DCBrave33 said. Pro sports jobs are NOT like normal ones. However, a player/coach should know better. If he was trying to conduct a private conversation and was being heckled (it comes with the job) he should have just ignored the guy. That’s what professionals do. If the Braves didn’t care about professionalism, wouldn’t Yunel Escobar still be manning short? Guy’s got a lot of talent.
April 28th, 201111:26 am
What ever happened to freedom of speech? Oh I forget the democrats have taken that to. A fan could have said the same statement that Roger did and nothing would have been said or reported but Knowing he is famous, we will just get a lawyer. Everyone is so scared hurting someones feelings you can’t say anything anymore grow a backbone and some thick skin!
April 28th, 201111:27 am
Many wrongs and few rights here. If McDowell actually threatened the man with the bat and asked about his teeth then he should be fired. That puts his employer, the Atlanta Braves, in a poor light. All he had to do was be be the big man and walk away. Instead he chose to escalate a bad situation. If someone was being arrogant or abusive contact security and walk away.
Also, the Quinns need a lesson in how to act also. All they had to was contact security if McDowell did indeed threaten them. Aligning with a celeb lawyer certainly doesn’t give them credibility.
April 28th, 201111:28 am
Clearly someone yelled “Nice game pretty boy” at Keith Hernandez and it ticked McDowell off. The second spitter strikes again!
God, I need to move out of the south…
I would only say bring back Leo if that means he would get off 680 the fan with his dumb as stories and ass kissing all other players and coaches!
April 28th, 201111:31 am
This is very embarrassing…not only to the Braves organization but to all the fans who support the Braves.
April 28th, 201111:32 am
If this is TRUE, we dont need this!!!! Profanity by MLB players happens at every game. MLB needs to put a stop to this NOW!!!!
April 28th, 201111:33 am
Matt – Try San Fran-Sicko.
Its part of the game if you don’t like it stay home
April 28th, 201111:34 am
Fire him. No questions.
Those same sanfran fans beat a dodger fan into a coma come if they are so good than why this
Roger should not have risen to the bait, but just because a SF lawyer trots some kids in front of a camera, does not confirm that McDowell threatened their daddy with a baseball bat. Selig, who winked at steroid use a few years ago when McGwire and Bonds were filling the stands, will hang McDowell over the perception of wrongdoing.
Sure freedom of speech is great, but the words you choose may just liberate you from your job.
April 28th, 201111:35 am
What did the Daddy think..Roger was going to climb the 15 ft wall to get to him in outfield. What ajoke! No threating manner unless he was going to throw bat 20 feet.
Allred is high priced (B). so whats is loving daddy after..$$$ are blood.
I’m not a McDowell fan but lets not hang the man till facts are complete.
Most of you bitching have never been to many games are you would know how some drunk fans act.
If you take your kids to game be aware that they will see and heard alot of crap from fans………
If you don’t wish to be a Braves fan “Thats cool”, but don’t make the world believe a lie that its because on this. You need to get a life.
Perhaps I’m missing the point.
Was it ever determined whether it was a gay couple or a gay threesome that Roger was addressing?
I think this is a critical fact in the case.
Do you fans really believe the version of this incident given by the SF types without hearing Roger’s side of the story. That is so one-sided of you! I still think the dad with the daughter should have confronted the homos(my 1st amendment right to say) and told them to shut up or called security. Don’t think Roger(or anyone else) who has worked in baseball 30-40 years should lose his job over a few misplaced words. Now threatening someone with a bat would be a different story, if true.But I doubt a professional athlete or coach would have to use a weapon to deal with some sissy in the stands!
April 28th, 201111:37 am
Thanks for noticing…
Jimmy the Greek
I was canned for speaking the truth, so be careful how you exercise your freedom of speech.
April 28th, 201111:38 am
DamnGoodDawg! (see above) asks “why would anyone want to raise their kids in San Francisco anyway? Sounds like you’re condoning Roger’s behavior? Just asking. I don’t think you represent good and decent Braves fans.
Braves fans are good people who love families. DamnGoodDawg! is probably a teenager who doesn’t understand how a professional MLB coach should act in public especially when representing one of baseball’s best teams.
Braves fan in D.C.
One of the stupidest things McDowell said was that kids don’t belong at the ballpark. Bring back Leo Mazzone.
I was at the Braves game in SF…the only “heckling” I heard was fans asking for a ball. I didn’t see ANYTHING that would have set this guy off.
And the coach was holding the bat in a threating manner when he asked what the dad’s teeth were worth…it wasn’t just an innocent random question. What a horrible ballpark experience for his kids!
AT&T Park is a very family friendly place…I’ve never experienced anything like this.
April 28th, 201111:39 am
I agree with roger. Kids do not belong at san fran’s ballpark. Now, every other ballpark kids are allowed.
April 28th, 201111:40 am
Leo is available .
I’m gay and I don’t think the alleged gay slurs were not that big of a deal except for where it took place. If I were one of the fans, I would have said, “yep, we’re a homo couple and you seemed to enjoy it last night!”. All in the spirit of back and forth heckling. I see two much larger issues in this exchange. If McDowell did ask how much the father’s teeth were worth while holding a bat, that is a bigger issue. The other is saying kids don’t f’n belong at the stadium, in front of kids. Punishment for the slur should just be a fine and a couple weeks suspension. The other two issues could be worthy of termination.
Roger, just remember, “what would Jackie Robinson do?” The answer for that brave, put-upon ballplayer was NOTHING! He just played lights out.
McD, you can also read Aaron’s biography to get a clue about non-responding to hecklers.
April 28th, 201111:41 am
I thought what he said and did was funny. Only in San Fran can a blowhard lawyer hold a press conference because a guy said some unPC things and some feelings were hurt. We are truly becaming nation of babies, crying because someone said something that hurt someones feelings. Can you imgaine what the generations of Americans before us would think of this. I don’t think they would have gone through wars and revolutions to come to this, the American culture is becoming an embarrassment. Braves stand up for free speech, do not fire a great coach and baseball guy over some BS.
How sad! I am furious at Roger for this behavior. I love my Braves, and I believe in forgiveness. But how in the world can you say that a ballpark is no place for children??? Has he lost his mind? His actions are forgivable, but his job is gone in my opinion. We need a new coach who WILL reflect Braves moral!!!
April 28th, 201111:42 am
At least he didn’t spit on them a la the Seinfeld episode. LOL
April 28th, 201111:43 am
Roger apologized. Let’s move on.
Give the man a break. Everybody makes errors.
Here’s what the fan said to McDowell: “Watch your language in front of my kids.”
I wish more people spoke up like that. If McDowell told him not to bring the kids to the ballpark, then he not only ought to be fired, he should go sit with Pete Rose and John Rocker in the Hall of Stupid.
April 28th, 201111:44 am
Welcome to Braves Country!!
While I am as conventional as anyone and really respect McDowell’s progress with Our Team’s Pitching since Leo departed, if these allegations are anywhere near True, then Roger must Go.-Bobby Cox probably would have defended him but hopefully, Freddie will send him away-maybe to Minor Leagues but no where near any Major League Ball Field (at least for all of 2011)-Braves have a Division to WIn-Pitching Coach stupid behavior NOT NEEDED-What Next?- Let’s Play Ball…
-Does Billy Wagner want a Pitching Coach job?. School’s almost out so his Wife and Kids could be with him .
Yes, there are kids in the world. But there are also adults, and many of us don’t want to live inside some fake G-rated movie. If you take your family to a baseball game, you should expect people to spit, curse, and maybe make an obscene gesture or two. People should teach their kids to live in the real world instead of trying to change the world into the fantasy they’ve sold their kids.
Johnny B Good
April 28th, 201111:45 am
Sonny ..you take care Buddy.
Go Braves—- Kick-AZZ
Man, I still miss Rocking Leo but he was to hard on pitchers, some bitch to much.
Regarding freedom of speech, Roger was free to speak as he wished, and, he did. His employer is also free to take exception to what Roger says while employed, and, ESPECIALLY, while he was at work.
“the only “heckling” I heard was fans asking for a ball”
Hence McDowell going off with his gay rant.
April 28th, 201111:46 am
April 28th, 201111:47 am
joop – you from Alabama?
April 28th, 201111:48 am
April 28th, 201111:49 am
Who will replace Roger McDowell?
Let’s face it, folks: Roger is toast. The Braves don’t need a foul odor to follow them everywhere they play, and the politically correct crowd will make sure to crucify us if we don’t remove him from our team immediately.
Who’s available (other than Leo, who won’t be coming back, sorry to say)? Glavine? Mad Dog?
Just got to say, On Father’s Day 2009 at Fenway,Roger was very nice to my 2 kids and to all of us. Of course we were wearing our Braves colors. There’s always two sides of a story and usually somewhere in the middle “lies” the truth.
April 28th, 201111:50 am
How come there is no video of this with all the technology out there? If it is true, someone would have recorded everyting on their cell phone.
How come the guy from San Francisco had to go all the way to LA to get a lawyer?
This is he said-he said, we’ll never know the truth, especially with Gloria Allred.
April 28th, 201111:51 am
Just got to say, one day, I saw Roger stop at a red light.
Dave you crazy.
Braves country…was you there and heard what you said you heard? I think not..lie lie hope to die
April 28th, 201111:52 am
All you people who are blaming the parents need to shut up. McDowell acted like a jack@$$ and now he has to pay the price with his job.
April 28th, 201111:53 am
LOL @ Braves Country
Gil In Mechanicsville
I will not be surprised to learn that Tom Glavin, as a “special assistant to the GM” has been named as the pitching coach of the Braves until a permanent replacement is selected. I just don’t see the Braves risking the alienation of a lot of folks. Baseball should be apolitical. That said, it should not be amoral.
Words have consequences, it is not McDowell’s response to the hecklers that bothers me so much as the response to the fan and his family asking Roger to tone it down a notch.
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