10:00 am April 28, 2011, by Carroll Rogers
April 28th, 201110:07 am
I don’t understand what is going on in the outside world…
April 28th, 201110:08 am
“How much are you’re teeth worth?”
How much is your job worth, Roger?
I wonder what was said to him that caused him to respond like that. We never get both sides of the story.
Fine him and maybe suspend him and move on. I am sure he regrets what he did. The heat of the moment with some jerk fans. Unfortunately Roger does not get to hire Gloria Allred to represent him for the actions of some idiots in the stands.
April 28th, 201110:10 am
Does not look good
Roger was having a bad day at the office
J C Baggett
April 28th, 201110:11 am
McDowell has to go…come back, Leo Mazzone.
April 28th, 201110:13 am
I won’t be going back to a Braves game until this jerk is fired.
April 28th, 201110:15 am
Why does Carroll Rogers write under DOB’s picture and Braves blog? Can’t the AJC get Carroll her own picture and headline?
Roger is in major trouble. Sad really.
April 28th, 201110:16 am
I’m going to go ahead and play TV lawyer here. But how does asking someone “How much are your teeth worth?” constitute a threat? Second of all what was said to McDowell? I seriously doubt Roger woke up that morning. Are players and coaches supposed to just sit there and be berated? What if someone stood over your shoulder at work yelling at you all day, how long could you put up with it?
April 28th, 201110:17 am
Carl – it really does not matter what the fan said. Roger is the professional representing the braves organization. He is the one getting paid and wether you are an player or a coach – you should be professional and not ingage fans like that – especially in front of kids. If I own the Braves I’d understand that I can directly control what fans say – but I can control how my players and coaches behave.
Ave, Roger does not get to hire a lawyer – so freakin what ? what does that have to do with it
Questiton – how would you feel if you were in the stands with your children and heard the professional coach’s words to the fans
please – unacceptable Roger.
April 28th, 201110:18 am
If true, F this guy. F as in “Fire” and “Forget.” Jack@$$.
Leo the Lip
JC, Mazzone was a decent pitching coach. Of course I would have been a decent pitching coach with 3 Hall of Famers on my staff. Leo’s time has passed.
McDowell made a mistake in responding to heckling fans. There must have been something pretty good said to him to make him respond. Let’s get the full story before passing judgement.
Bring Back Leo!!!!
EG, there’s always radio and TV for you… JC, wanting Leo back is like wishing you could go back and relive your high school days. As for Roger, don’t know exactly what happened, but everyone deserves a second chance. Let the involved deal with this between themselves, get rid of the lawyers and let’s move on.
This is getting blown WAY out of proportion! What John Rocker said was WAY WORSE and he only got a suspension. Plus, we don’t know all of the facts. What if that family, who is dying for publicity, made half of it up? It sure is funny that of all people they went to that media hog, Gloria Alldred. Think this pathetic family is starving for attention? Roger should get a fine and short suspension and nothing else.
April 28th, 201110:19 am
Let’s let everyone make jokes and jeers about funny, white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant guys who shave their heads and be done with it. That way, no one but me will be offended.
April 28th, 201110:20 am
Eg-would you “tolerate” a full explanation of BOTH sides of the story? Goodness. Celebrity lawyer a bit suspicious? I hope neither the “fans” or the braves jump to conclusions and give EVERYONE a fair hearing.
Say Hey Heyward
April 28th, 201110:21 am
If it’s true it’s bad….but let’s also remember that only one fan has come forward with a story so far. I want to hear from other witnesses before passing judgement. And honestly, I’m not sure I believe anyone that would hire Gloria Allred as their attorney…
“Question – how would you feel if you were in the stands with your children and heard the professional coach’s words to the fans”
No different than I would if I heard a fan around me say the same thing.
April 28th, 201110:22 am
How the heck does Gloria Allred always get in the picture?
April 28th, 201110:23 am
Kobe was fined for his comment, will the coach be fined for his comment and threat?
The Bream Team
April 28th, 201110:24 am
Why did Roger have a bat in left field? Plus the Braves dugout is on the right field side of that park.
Cry baby cry
April 28th, 201110:25 am
He should lose his job. There’s no excuse. If doesn’t know how to act in public, then forget him. What a loser. Such ugly, vile words.
“Kids don’t [expletive] belong at the baseball park.”
I bet that comes as a surprise to many generations of baseball fans.
Reid in EAV
April 28th, 201110:26 am
Yes, it sounds bad, and it is NEVER a good idea for a professional to respond to a heckler in any way, shape or form, even just to say “hey, shut up.”
But keep in mind that we are hearing only one side of the story here. I have had the misfortune to be in a legal altercation years ago, and the things alleged that I did were, at best, wild exaggerations of the truth, and many things were 100% false. And that was just with a run-of-the-mill ambulance-chasing bloodsucker. This is Gloria Flippin’ Allred we’re talking about, a grandstanding camera hog, drama queen and backstabber of the first degree. While I think it’s likely Roger responded to some heckling fans, I don’t believe a bloody thing in the complaint until I get some corroborating evidence. And that’s the bottom line.
He should lose his job. There’s no excuse. If he doesn’t know how to act in public, then forget him. What a loser. Such ugly, vile words.
I agree with alexander….let’s get to the truth, not just a celebrity lawyer’s side of it. Someone might be looking for a big pay day. Yeah, Roger’s a little flaky, but wow! Really think that we have heard everything that was said? Let’s see what shakes out.
Oh, and by the way, “great pitchers make great pitching coaches.” I would have been a great pitching coach with Smoltz, Glavine, and Maddux. And people would be wanting me back…darn, missed my chance!
“kids don’t belong at a ballpark”
OK, Roger… truth is, they actually do. I hope the Braves fire him. It’s not like he’s done wonders with the pitching staff. He’s easily replaceable. We don’t need another John Rocker making the Braves look like a first-class, redneck organization.
April 28th, 201110:27 am
I think everyone deserves a second chance…(unless he’s already had one and we don’t know about it) but he needs to be suspended for a period of time and he needs to meet face to face with the folks he offended and apologize to them personally. Fans heckle opposing players and coaches and even when they are out of line, it comes with the turf. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Let’s face it, McDowell was way out of line and to say that kids don’t belong at a ballpark is, well, just plain stupid. If he survives this incident it can never ever happen again…ever.
April 28th, 201110:28 am
Do you ever hear Leo talk on 680 The Fan? He brings nothing to the table. Don’t think he can post the same results without Smoltz, Glavine, and Maddox. Just ask the Orioles. Fine and maybe suspend Roger.. make him attend sensivity training. But don’t bring back Leo.
A devout fan of the ATL braves I went to Washington for Bobby’s 2500th win last year in september.. If everyone remembers, that series was directly after the Philly series in which we were swept and the NL East was gone. I get the the Nats game early, and head to the pen. I was talking with Kimbrel, and complimenting Johnny Venters on his gutsy pitching, when Roger came out from the bullpen, and said loudly, “WE DONT NEED YOUR SH**” I replied yall needs someones SH** or we are going to lose the wild card to me. He immedilty said go back to your seat A**hole we still dont need your SH**..
To make a long story short, if I was wearing a braves jersey, hat and coat, and he cussed me, wonder what he says to a heckler from another city… He has anger issues, and from that moment own I have referred to him as Roger McDUESHEBAG. He will get what he deserves. He is an arrogont pr1ck. THREE WORDS FOR YOU ROGER…
WELCOME BACK LEO!!!!!!!
April 28th, 201110:29 am
and to whoever said, “who cares what some idiot in the stands said”
people in the stands are going to say awful thing all the time, as a professional player or coach, it’s part of your job (that you’re well compensated for) to tune them out and go about your day.
The impetus is on the coach or player to act maturely and stadium security to deal with raucous fans. If someone was saying awful things at McDowell, then it’s on him to inform security to deal with the matter, not deal with it himself. It’s called professionalism, Roger and you represented the Braves organization poorly. Don’t let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya
“It’s not like he’s done wonders with the pitching staff.”
Yeah, it’s not like we have one of the best staffs in baseball or anything…
April 28th, 201110:30 am
In light of publicity prostitute allred’s involvement, I am inclined to give Roger the benefit of the doubt.
Real Braves Fan
Great posts by “damngooddawg” and “who cares”! All of my thoughts wrapped up in your 2 posts! Wouldn’t you just the irony of firing him and hiring John Rocker to replace him? That would be epic!
Everyone is assuming Roger actually said and did what a grandstanding celebrity lawyer alleged. Why are we doing this? I want an audio recording, a video, a few pictures — something. Don’t tell me that in this era of smartphones that such a thing doesn’t exist.
Fine him and move on. He shouldn’t lose his job or be persecuted, he made a mistake, who hasn’t. People wonder why this country is in the shape it is, Jesus, when something like this warrants the coverage it has gotten and we have people who lost lives, homes, etc…
April 28th, 201110:31 am
To the people saying he should be fired, you people need help. Look what Vick did, Rocker, the Mets closer, NBA players fighting in the stands, etc. None of them got fired. Remember little boys, sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me. This family just wants money and attention!
I watched and heard McDowell do a similiar thing at Nationals park in May of last season. I sat next to the Braves’ bullpen while Tim Hudson warmed up. Some kid yelled something at Hudson (which I did not hear), and McDowell told the kid to send his mother to his hotel room later on. Yes, he needs to shut his mouth. And yes, MLB needs to do something about the behavior of fans who can sit there all night dropping f-bombs on the left fielder (who was Matty D that night).
April 28th, 201110:32 am
re’ Roger McDowell
I am concerned as much about his behavior around two young girls than I am about his gay slurs. To be dropping F bombs around young girls is unacceptable. If that had been me , and he had done that, or threatened me with a bat be or made obscene gestures around my daughters, I would have called him over and threatened HIM. and if he even so much as looked aggressive at me, Id be on him like white on rice.
I hope they fire his butt today.
No accident. This happens with this idiot all the time. He is a cocky prick who thinks he runs the world.
April 28th, 201110:33 am
The Met needs to be fired…anyone that believes kids don’t belong at the ballpark is a complete pompus, idiotic, out of touch, moron, and has no place within this fine organization.
It’s OK for drunk idiodic fans to scream and heckle athletes and coaches, but, it’s not OK for a coach to respond? Get over it. The world is too overly sensitive. That’s why our kids are such pansies these days. Quit being so PC and get a life. Nothing good has ever come out of California and here’s another case. It just gave Gloria Alred a chance to get out of her terrariam and Demand something else….
This story is BS. They already know what happened. The only thing they are investigating is what to do about it.
April 28th, 201110:34 am
Kudos to Braves fans who are taking on this guy. No matter what the fans say, it doesn’t give them the right to use the bad language in front of the kids. Second, the man he threatens is the not the idiot fans who were heckling. Also how does he exactly justify saying f**ing Kids don’t belong at the ball park? Really?
April 28th, 201110:35 am
I agree with other posters on here, lets hear both sides that is why no punishment has been handed out.It is hard to believe that some of you are jumping to conclusions and want him fired just because you heard some sleaze lawyer make allegations against him. That is why I read the blogs, to humor me for the day.
Greg Maddox for pitching coach???
Nick N Richmond
I saw Roger in DC for that first series of the season. People did the same thing to him there, and he didn’t respond back to them. he actually seemed quite nice with the kids that were nearby him. Maybe it’s just the idiot SF fans, and that dad being too emo. I’m not condoning what Roger said, but come on….how many drunk, idiot fans do we see every time we go to the ballpark. Why isn’t this dude going after them?
Like the person earlier said, there are too sides to this story. Obviously by Roger apologizing he admits to have saying something. So there you go…fine him! However, firing him would be stupid on the braves account.
April 28th, 201110:36 am
btw…he was holding that bat in DC too….
Maybe somebody fired a magic loogie at him. Maybe there was a second spitter. More than likely, some fan ticked him off and he just thought out loud. Fans can get pretty ugly sometimes and folks, even professionals, can take but so much without reacting. I am not defending Roger’s actions, if the stories are true, just before we crucify him we need to know exactly what happened.
April 28th, 201110:37 am
Remember the good old days when everyone was afraid of some “Big Brother”-type government coming to power? Well, don’t look now, but when people are losing their careers and being penalized over dumb, off-the-cuff remarks, it sounds an awful lot like thought-policing to me. Ask (former) Miss California if she believes we still have the freedom to believe and say what we truly feel (even in good taste and in response to a direct question, as she did) in America today. It’s scary, folks.
I have to say I am disappointed in Mr. Bradley’s remark about the Braves’s PR being threatened by keeping a “homophobe” on their payroll. It’s easy to make an “opinionated” statement that caters to the mainstream (politically correct); what Mr. Bradley said was as much about placating those in power in our nation as it was about denouncing the actions of Roger McDowell.
And let’s just be frank; the term “homophobe” is a misnomer at best that’s being used by the liberal political machine through the media to make people of conviction feel isolated and out-numbered. The truth is it’s not homosexuals themselves that most of us are afraid of; it’s the idea of someone living a lifestyle we believe is inherently amoral and against the teachings of God’s Word using the media and the State to force an acceptance and approval of that lifestyle on us (both in our families and even our churches) via overwhelming propoganda and social and economic pressure and persecution, denying us the right to believe as we feel convicted to and to teach our children what we believe. We fear what America is becoming: a nation where right has become wrong and wrong has become right in the eyes of people, where innocence is ridiculed and discouraged and character is secondary to money and power in importance. And most of all we fear what will happen when God turns His back on our country; it will rain both on the just and the unjust when that happens.
Even the famous atheist Voltaire made the statement, “I may not agree with a word you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Looks like the liberal crowd has lost a lot of credibility when they won’t even let anyone hold a belief or make a statement contrary to their own, doesn’t it? Let folks do and believe as they will; we all have to face the same Judge someday anyway.
I’m sick of kids at the ballpark, too.
Steven Q. Stanley
This isn’t McDowell’s first incident with some fans, he also spit on Kramer and Newman at a Mets game.
April 28th, 201110:38 am
Give Roger a break, he apologized! That “fan” obviously is a jerk wad. I raised my kids at ballparks and my family has heard so much vulgar garbage from drunks…what else is new? If you don’t want your little darlings to hear obscenities then like Roger said, don’t take ‘em there or school, or church for that matter. Gloria Allred loves the cameras more the Trump.
IF, McDowell is guilty of the allegations, Selig and Liberty Media will decided his fate.
I don’t think he needs to be ostracized from baseball, suspended or anything like that. I just think that the Braves organization should hold themselves to a higher standard and not keep a guy like that around. He can go pursue a job wherever else he wants. I’d certainly get fired from MY job if I acted like that in public while representing the company.
April 28th, 201110:39 am
You know the accusations are not true because Gloria Allred is the lawyer. Enough said…
I AM SO SICK OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!
He’s toast….we’ll have a new pitching coach in a week.
@Steven Q.: No. That came from the grassy knoll.
April 28th, 201110:40 am
QUIT BEING SENSATIVE… YOU GET PAID TONS OF MONEY TO LISTEN TO FANS (WHO PAY YOUR SALARY) QUIT BEING A PANSY MCDUESHBAG!
The people he mixed it up with are called CUSTOMERS. If anyone on this blog was witnessed verbally harassing and threatening their customers, human resources would march your butt out the SAME DAY!!!! Bye Roger.
If guilty he has to go. What an idiot!
April 28th, 201110:41 am
I thought that Keith Hernandez, was the guy that spit on Kramer and Newman.
itpdude – lmao at your comment
April 28th, 201110:42 am
My viewpoint has nothing to do with political correctness , free speech, or the urge to respond to hecklers. It is that of a protective parent. I habe two daughters who I have taken to many Braves games..Kids have no place at the ball park? Who does this clown think he is?
When a professional athlete It is F bombing people in front of children, and making obscene gestures with his bat in front of children. And threatening those children’s father with a bat, he is way way over the line. That has nothing to do with anything except unacceptable behavior. Fire him today.
We have all heard some of the outrageous things that emanate from the stands at baseball games. McDowell seems contrite about his actions, slap him on the wrist as the NBA did to Bryant and move on. Bud Lite – you have much bigger issues to deal with.
April 28th, 201110:43 am
“The people he mixed it up with are called CUSTOMERS. If anyone on this blog was witnessed verbally harassing and threatening their customers, human resources would march your butt out the SAME DAY!!!! Bye Roger.”
Not if said customer was berating us first. That’s been true at every job I’ve ever worked at. It even stated so in the employee handbook. If a customer verbally attacks you first, you are under no obligation to sit there and take it.
April 28th, 201110:44 am
This story is gaye.
April 28th, 201110:45 am
Being offended by profanity at a professional sporting event is like being offended by someone reading the Bible in a southern Baptist church. If you don’t want to hear bad language watch the game on TV.
Good for Roger!
Let me see, what is the fastest way for me to gut this MLB pig coach. Oh yeah, go on tv with my poor family (with one in the praying posture) with the most renowned ambulance chaser in history and claim that Roger McDowell threatened me with bodily injury (a felony) and denograted the name of baseball and it’s legacy as Americas Pastime. Roger doesn’t have a chance. He will lose his job even if the evidence is there that this didn’t happen. Money will change hands and the family will pay the lawyer her fee and the great American legal system will have once again tampled the rights of one of it’s citizens. It’s called “it’s cheaper to pay em off” than fight for one of our own.
Maybe Roger said that kids don’t belong at “this” ballpark. Considering the description of what the fans were doing in the story, the statement may not have been out of line.
Roll damn tide….
April 28th, 201110:46 am
Quinn’s attorney, celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred, said McDowell responded by saying “Kids don’t [expletive] belong at the baseball park.”
Really, Roger? Maybe families should boycott the Braves games as long as you’re an employee…
growing older, but not up
April 28th, 201110:47 am
I wonder if the SF fan getting beat up in LA has anything to do with this? Would the SF fans be so sensative otherwise?
If this issue was just limited to Roger using a gay slur toward some heckling fans, it really isn’t much of a story. The guys he insulted aren’t even the ones complaining. Its the interaction between Roger and the guy with his wife and kids that’s really the ugly part of the story. Threatening a guy with a bat? Kids shouldn’t be at the ballpark? Come on. Roger should know better.
April 28th, 201110:48 am
What in the world in Gloria Alred doing in thie picture? I don’t approve of what Mcdowell said or did and it is wrong, bt is this fan wanting an apoligy or money out of this? If Mcdowell does not want kids at a ballgame, he should quit or be fired and stay home. The fan did not say what the other fan said to Mcdowell but it does not matter, he shold be a professional and try to ignore what they say, which I know is hard.
Brian from SC
April 28th, 201110:49 am
If the alleged second portion about threatening the parent and making the comment about kids is true, McDowell should and will be fired. Very unfortunate for the Braves, because I thought he was doing a good job.
Hopefully the investigation will reveal why Mike Piazza and two friends were at the Braves-Giants game on Saturday.
can of worms
Number one, he never should have responded to any heckling by any fan. He’s a professional. It’s his job to ignore it. The game would never get played if every person on the field responded to things being said from the sidelines.
(Can you imagine if the umpires bothered to respond to hecklers?)
Number two, as long as you have jerks like McDowell who can’t see past their own noses to realize that some people *might* be different than they are, you’re never going to have a society where gay athletes will feel comfortable. And that’s not right.
Agreed on your points about McDowell’s behavior. If he did say those things and act that reprehensibly, he deserves disciplinary action, maybe even being fired. But it never ceases to amaze me how quickly the media and liberal watchdogs glom onto a solitary word or phrase to try to spin it into a political issue. If what McDowell said makes him a “homophobe” then I guess pretty much everyone in America has been guilty of hating somebody at one time or another. We need to get real and cut out this thought-policing crap.
Hope the Braves deal with this quickly, objectively, and professionally and move on.
There is a different stadard of justice coaches vs multi million dollar players, coaches are expendable but players have the union. So Rodger will probably be fired where if the same thing had happened to Prince Fielder he would be given a $5,000. fine and suspended for two games and that would be the end of it.
No HR manual says that even if you are berated by a customer, can you retaliate with obscenities and threats even if they did it to you first. You simply walk away. Roger is a loudmouth jerk, I know I watched him as a met fan years ago. He has to go.
April 28th, 201110:50 am
Imagine how upset the Giants fans will be when Buster comes and plays for the Braves in a few years.
He should not be fired. People are too sensitive.
BRING BACK LEO!!!!!! with Notre Dame Cap and ROCKIN!!! BEST PITCHING COACH EVER!!!!
April 28th, 201110:51 am
If it wasn’t for the whole “Gloria Allred getting involved Factor” I might actually be willing to give a little bit of creedence to the fan’s allegations….
IF these allegations turn out to be true, then the dude’s got to go…..I hate to say it. He’s a good pitching coach and we will miss him, but no way an organization like the Braves and what they stand for can allow this guy to be on their payroll. And the quote about “kids dont belong at the ballpark?” Someone please try and explain that one to me. I am at a loss.
I’m tired of this politically correct crap but to threaten somebody with a bat is a whole another issue
Can’t defend or excuse anything Roger said, but it’s hard to take anyone who turns to Gloria Allred seriously.
So not even the people he supposedly said this slur to were the ones to report it? Non-issue to me. Gloria Allred. Just look at that photo op she orchestrated. The Chronicle isn’t even paying attention to this. And to all the posters on here upset about one f-word, you are amazingly naive as to the language used in the dugout and clubhouse. Do you think your beloved Bobby got tossed all those games without the aid of colorful language? It’s a part of clubhouse culture and sports in general; you can’t clean it up with one un-warranted firing or wish it away with all the holier-than-thou morality judgments in the world.
April 28th, 201110:52 am
Maybe Kobe will pay Roger’s fine for him.
It is getting so you cannot even call someone a pickle sniffer anymore!
April 28th, 201110:53 am
its a baseball game, not church. be a parent to the kid and teach em right from wrong. you cant police other peoples language. you cant take children to public places and them not hear some kind of adult language. and what type of lawsuit does this guy have? McDowell hurt his family’s feelings? as an organization i wouldnt want my pitching coach behaving that way, but thats another matter. this Quinn sucks
April 28th, 201110:54 am
If he’s fired I’m going to poison all of the grass at Turner field. Roll damn tide!
April 28th, 201110:55 am
I will reserve judgement until the real truth comes out. All of these quotes are from Giants fans. Once the truth comes out, than we’ll talk. As far as calling someone a “homo”, get over it. It’s a word. Who cares. You probably say much worse in your car. Unless you have never said anything hurtful in your life, keep your hypocracy to yourself. As far as the response to the dad in front of his daughters, that’s a shame if it’s true. I can maybe see it. But the bat allegation sounds like stretch. I don’t see how a grown man would do something like that. Something smells fishy.
April 28th, 201110:56 am
Fire McDowell and hire Greg Maddux or Tom Glavine….
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