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tiger297
April 27th, 2011
11:08 pm
pete – i wouldn’t have believe a family of 4 would spend their days on a ballon hoax either
Richmond Braves Fan
April 27th, 2011
11:08 pm
Chili such rationale would be that the best thing for the Braves is this to go away. Initially the Braves and his lawyers will make sure he keeps quiet. After the Braves, MLB, and his lawyers gather all the facts the quietest corse of action could very well be a fine and a press release. No press conference less of a story. What would the Braves and even Roger have to gain by stirring it up again. It seems clear that Roger at least did some things he should not have. That is not an interview that would go well. Imagine questions like could you demonstrate with this bat the obscene gesture? Assuming he declines the next question would be well is the demonstration Gloria Allred made at the press conference accurate? It is a bit of a no win situation.
Also for those who note that Gloria did not ask for anything other than an apology that is because an apology directed toward her clients would be proof and allow for the subsequent lawsuit. She did the same thing with one of Tiger’s women claiming that she only wanted Tiger to apologize to her for lying to her. Of course had Tiger done that then Gloria would have undeniable proof of the relationship. Rogers current apology is no doubt intentionally vague.
Kirk while I do not know for an absolute fact of California law in can assure you in Georgia that if you file a complaint with the police alleging the threat of violence then they will arrest the alleged violator. Keep in mind if you lie then you go to jail so false complaints are rarely a problem. A friend of mine’s roommate got into a strictly verbal fight with my friend’s girlfriend while he was away. A complaint was filed and he was arrested. He was allowed to move out in exchange for the charges being dropped but he was arrested none the less. This is an offshoot of the precedent set by domestic situations. The police if informed of such threats and fail to act find themselves being sued. There does not need to be evidence such as a video. It is done more to protect the police than actual safety. This is not the sole reason for my questioning this allegation. Also my “logic” as you put it also revolves around the fact that the Giants were supposedly notified about a man with a bat threatening to knock out people’s teeth. It does not pass the smell test to assume that the complaint alleged this obvious threat and the Giants did nothing especially in light of the SF fan in LA incident. A man with a bat threatening someone whether he is a coach or not is an obvious problem. It would seem pretty safe “logic” that at an absolute minimum a Giants security guard would have a talk with someone from the Braves and STRONGLY suggest that Roger stay in the dugout until the game starts. Yet this also did not happen. The Braves were according to their press release just made aware of this. These questions are just too big to overlook.
BIOMASS
April 27th, 2011
11:08 pm
I bet Leo Mazzone is staring at his phone right now. lol
VaBravesFan
April 27th, 2011
11:09 pm
Trey
thats true, but its gonna be mentioned and dragged around for a while now.
Pete*
April 27th, 2011
11:09 pm
Trey: “VaBravesFan, did he mess up? We don’t have any evidence that he said any of those things. Right now it is nothing but speculation.”
Trey when someone apologizes with no rebuttal (other than “heckling fans”) in a situation like this with 9 year old fans etc., you can bet big $$ it is far more than just speculation.
Gil In Mechanicsville
April 27th, 2011
11:09 pm
Sigh, when are folks going to learn the only legitimate target for slurs, smack downs and otherwise abusive behavior are fat people… Plain and simple, they are the only group still considered fair game and they don’t even have to actually be obese. Sad but true, no love for the fatties of the world.
Every other ethnic group is off limits, sexual orientation, race, gender…. all no-nos. Physical appearance is still fair game to the weak mined, but only if the weak minded are not as a result of some genetic defect.
For some reason, people believe it is okay to taunt. tease or otherwise demean other human beings. Why, I am not sure, personally, I think it is a result of poor parenting. Could be just because people feel a since of entitlement, could be a cultural thing, possibly all of the above.
The bottom line is this incident is a distraction for the team. Maybe it’s because the Giants got swept. maybe Roger ran over Gloria’s dog, maybe it is all true. Hopefully, it is resolved quickly because every chance some folks get, they will bring up John Rocker.
Personally, I think Roger will be dismissed, demoted, gone… Just the way things work in sports. Roger may be a great pitching coach, maybe he is not. What I do know is Public perception is important and the Braves cannot allow for this incident to be a distraction where every time you turn on a sports channel it is the lead story.
A professional baseball coach is very undervalued. They have the same terrible hours and the same long hours spent away from home without the compensation. That said, there is always someone else willing to take the job.
As for the motives of the accusers, in another story, it was hinted that civil action (money angle) is being considered. Facts are, you do not set yourself up to be the fall guy…. A lesson that should be headed by all….
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
April 27th, 2011
11:09 pm
SeATLite
April 27th, 2011
11:09 pm
Doc Holiday, I second that. Let’s talk about the road trip! And the Cardinals. Who I figure CAN’T be as good as their run differential suggests. They play in a super-weak division.
Bravefaninok
April 27th, 2011
11:10 pm
Be safe folks ,we will be praying for everyone in the south tonight.
Pete*
April 27th, 2011
11:10 pm
Tiger this is far more than that. There are other witnesses etc; doesnt even compare with the baloon hoax.
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
April 27th, 2011
11:11 pm
Gil Plain and simple, they are the only group still considered fair game and they don’t even have to actually be obese.
How freakishly true…
SeATLite
April 27th, 2011
11:11 pm
Nicely said, Gil in Mechanicsville.
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
April 27th, 2011
11:12 pm
Thanks, Bravesfaninok!
TnBrian
April 27th, 2011
11:14 pm
Now suddenly everybody’s a lawyer. LOL! So damn silly.
Trey
April 27th, 2011
11:15 pm
TnBrian, that is crazy. At least y’all are alright. That would be some really scary stuff.
Pete*, that may be true, but we still can’t say he did or said anything. For all we know they could be just trying to get attention. People will do that.
MariettaDerek
April 27th, 2011
11:16 pm
The Braves totally got DOUBLE PITS TO CHESTY with it today!
BIOMASS
April 27th, 2011
11:16 pm
thankew Bravesfaninok. nice of you. it’s like russian roulette here lately. and where you are. take care, yourself.
TRB
April 27th, 2011
11:16 pm
This blog was much more enjoyable, earlier, when sha sha sha sha sha she was shakin’.
Bat Masterson
April 27th, 2011
11:18 pm
McFann_
You take care up there tonight.
All of you in the path of this storm, take good care.
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
April 27th, 2011
11:20 pm
Thanks, Bat! I swear, this is the ONLY thing I HATE about Spring…
Just enough already!
Doc Holiday
April 27th, 2011
11:21 pm
Seatlite,
Cards are not weak, nor is the central. Brewers punished us and the phillies. Reds are strong. Cubs are average team.
Maybe our division is stronger, so is the west, but central is no walk in the park
Trey
April 27th, 2011
11:21 pm
McFann, be safe. Go into the basement if needed.
Doc Holiday
April 27th, 2011
11:22 pm
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110427&content_id=18303456&vkey=news_atl&c_id=atl
Nice story………….behind the scenes of a magic braves moment.
TnBrian
April 27th, 2011
11:22 pm
Trey, thanks.
What I see is that the way people abuse the media for financial gain or attention, maybe both, is I’m suspicious.
If McDowell said homophobic things than BOO HOOOO! Cry me a fu**** river. Arrange a meeting in a alley or something. Now the whole baseball bat situation, especially in front of kids, RM should be fired for that IMO. Totally uncalled for.
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
April 27th, 2011
11:25 pm
Thanks, Trey! Thankfully I think we’re good to stay above ground, but…that doesn’t take away the scariness……
Trey
April 27th, 2011
11:27 pm
TnBrian, true. That’s if he said it. If there is any sort of evidence that he said it then he will most likely be fired. I just don’t believe the family. Hell, even in their photos they looked like complete crap. He better deny it and if he did do it still deny it and hope there is no evidence.
DS1
April 27th, 2011
11:30 pm
What the…… anytime Gloria Allred is involved, my first thought is that somebody is looking to start a frivolous lawsuit. The cause of the week.
But I am hoping that Roger didn’t jeopardize his job in his comments/actiions.
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
April 27th, 2011
11:31 pm
McFanned it…dang storm threats…been up late all week and was looking forward to a long night’s sleep…instead it looks like a long night’s awake…
Pete*
April 27th, 2011
11:35 pm
McFann good luck on the sleep lol are you in Cobb or? Im in Dekalb and should not be bad here
DS1
April 27th, 2011
11:35 pm
I have been to countless games in SF. Seems to me like a perfect place to be offended, if one wants to be. Some pretty crude fans.
I read the NY Post article, and it seems that if Roger was truly over the line on his actions, there would be others willing to stand up against (or for) him.
Crime Dog
April 27th, 2011
11:36 pm
DOB with an interesting Tweet.
“It’s serious. He really screwed up.”
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
April 27th, 2011
11:37 pm
Pete*—
Thanks! I’m in Gwinnett.
You stay safe, too!!
DS1
April 27th, 2011
11:37 pm
McFann
In all seriousness, go ahead and get some sleep. Don’t worry. I am confident your daddy will be monitoring the weather situation. Let him do the worrying. That’s what dad’s get paid to do!
Pete*
April 27th, 2011
11:39 pm
Trey: “Hell, even in their photos they looked like complete crap.”
Im sure that will be relevant to Bud Selig and the Braves lol
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
April 27th, 2011
11:41 pm
Wayne—
Haha…actually, Dad’s been asleep for a couple hours.
Hey, he gets up at 4 to get to work early, he’s got a right to get some sleep…
I think Mom’s watching the weather downstairs…and I’m watching it up here. I think I’ve got enough worry in me for the whole family. But I just gotta Trust…
Snotboogie
April 27th, 2011
11:41 pm
DOB with an interesting Tweet.
“It’s serious. He really screwed up.”
Uh oh! I think tomorrow is going to be a busy off-day for the Braves.
Tomas
April 27th, 2011
11:43 pm
Just fine Mcdowell, and give him a warning…..Geez it’s not like he killed or physically injured someone.
Mike
April 27th, 2011
11:43 pm
Serious, huh?
Lee-O! Lee-O! Lee-O!
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
April 27th, 2011
11:44 pm
Maybe I should try watching a TV show on my iPod…holy [crud]! Is that wind or rain outside???
tiger297
April 27th, 2011
11:44 pm
DS1 – thats what I’m doing…only issue is other 1/2 thinks its her responsiblity as well
Doc Holiday
April 27th, 2011
11:46 pm
That link I posted reveals what happened right before the hit from FRANCISCO CABRERA IN 1992.
aFTERWARDSI checked on the video (The Sid Bream/Cabrera video) and you can see how deep Bonds was playing fter ignoring Van Slyke.
DS1
April 27th, 2011
11:48 pm
Amen Tomas.
I get cynical when I hear about folks looking for monetary compensation in these circumstances.
“Oh, my poor children will have to go through therapy and will be warped for life!!”
I guess Kobe’s target Ref wasn’t interested in suing, so Gloria moved on to greener pastures……
groundfog
April 27th, 2011
11:49 pm
Anybody see the price of gold lately? Sensitivity training is going to be the least of anybodys problems including Roger.
DS1
April 27th, 2011
11:49 pm
tiger
Stay safe…..
kirkinga
April 27th, 2011
11:53 pm
We simply cannot have people wielding bats because their feelings were hurt. We don’t allow that outside the ballpark, and that should be the standard of behavior inside as well.
The fixation on the alleged homophobic slurs and not the wielding of the bat…allegedly…is most disturbing.
groundfog
April 27th, 2011
11:56 pm
You people crying about a homophobic slur have no idea what is coming in this country. The country is bust and the currency will be soon worthless but keep crying. You should be disturbed about 14.3 trillion in debt but your not lol. Biggest rain wreck ever coming
SeATLite
April 27th, 2011
11:56 pm
Doc Holiday, you may be right, but I look at their records (12-11 leads the division) and their run differentials (only the Cards have much of one, although it’s way early), and I’m just not sure. Maybe it’s just that they’ve mostly been playing each other. Agree with you that St. Louis, Milwaukee and Cincy are the class, as usual.
DS1
April 27th, 2011
11:58 pm
groundfog
I agree with you man, but to say so on the blog could get you castigated………
Moe Berg
April 27th, 2011
11:58 pm
Well, McDowell seems to be doing well with Hanson. His ERA of 2.57 and WHIP of 1.06 are much better than his career average of 3.16 and 1.17.
tiger297
April 28th, 2011
12:00 am
doc – question is if he was playing in would he have been able to cut the ball off…and if he could have would he have even had as much momentum heading to the plate to get off a solid throw as quickly
Powder Blue
April 28th, 2011
12:03 am
So is McDowell in danger of losing his job?
Steve from OH
April 28th, 2011
12:05 am
Usually she’s crusading for “Gloria Allred”
True that. It’s a shame, too. Professionals shouldn’t disgrace their professions in such ways. That goes for you too, Roger.
Couplea thoughts:
Roger’s been heckled before. Heck, I’ve seen him get heckled. Means one of two things to me:
1. The guy went really over the line, which makes him…a hypocrite! Fun times.
2. The guy doesn’t have as many legs to stand on as you’d think. Probably not the case given what (little) I’ve read.
Still, it’s strange that (apparently) the guy doesn’t want to sue. Why is Allred involved again?
Either way, Roger’s just gotta turn around, go to the clubhouse, and take solace in the fact that he’s a big-leaguer. Inexcusable. Especially if he threatened the guy with the bat. That would be the tipping point, IMO. Pretty bad stuff no matter which way you slice it. The slurs? Pretty freaking bad and definitely unprofessional, but not firable. People these days act like the worst thing that can happen to them is that they might get insulted. Trust me, it ain’t. By a long shot. Next time someone takes a jab at you, thank the Good Lord you can laugh it off and that you aren’t, you know, in a coma or something. Because that’s quite a bit worse.
Still, can’t believe Roger would do something like that. There’s something more beneath the surface here…what would possess someone in his position to do such terrible things?
Doc Holiday
April 28th, 2011
12:05 am
tiger,
He was almost in the warning track………what was he thinking?
tiger297
April 28th, 2011
12:05 am
moe – tell us your dinner plans as we all watch the weather and wait to see if we get damage from this storm
tiger297
April 28th, 2011
12:07 am
doc – my guess is he figured a double ended the game and he had enough of an arm to get bream
Braveheart
April 28th, 2011
12:07 am
Someone threatens you with a weapon in front of your kid, and you don’t call a cop? You not only call a lawyer, you call a greedy attention seeker like Allred? Gimme a break. I dunno. McDowell might have done it. Probably did do it, and, if so, should be fired, only because he caused a distraction and brought shame to the name of a franchise that he’s easily expendable to despite being a pretty good pitching coach for the team the last 6 years.
But that father can kiss my arse. You’re a joke if you don’t call a cop and have his arse arrested, and instead not only look for a quick buck by calling a lawyer to sue him, but call Gloria Allred so you can be all pathetically dramatic and attention seeking and greedy about it.
Someone does that to those other people in front of my kid, I dunno. I don’t have kids, so I can’t pretend to know. But I probably wouldn’t confront him. I would just use it as a morality lesson for my kids, and tell them what a piece of sh!t Roger McDowell is, and that they should never act like that at any time in my life.
I’d probably also make a note to myself that it’s probably not best for my kids to be too close to a clubhouse, dugout or field if I don’t want them to hear just how crude and crass athletes can be when they unfortunately sometimes take their locker room senses of humor and methods of verbal warfare outside of the clubhouse and onto the field with them. And if I personally am just that sensitive myself, then maybe I also need to stay the hell away from the field too.
But if, for whatever reason, I did act like a jack arse and confront Roger about the way he was talking to other people, and McDowell threatened me in front of my kids like that, I’d call the cops and have his arse arrested. Or maybe I wouldn’t. Maybe I would simply call his boss and have his arse quietly fired. Or maybe I’d do both. And once he was arrested and/or fired, I’d leave it alone, and again tell my kids what a piece of sh!t Roger McDowell is, and that they should never behave that way themselves.
But that’s not the America we live in today. Always gotta be someone out for money and attention, and a greedy attention seeking lawyer willing to bring disgrace to the profession by doing the bidding of these phony “victims” claiming “harm” was inflicted upon them. It can’t just be about writing a wrong, and doing so in the right way. Always has to be a friggin’ agenda attached to it. Now we have to have protestors and every other damn parasitical faux do gooder group justifying their meaningless existences by picking a fight that wasn’t theirs to fight.
Moe Berg
April 28th, 2011
12:09 am
tiger297–How are the storms there? I will have some begun bharta and a doi murgi for dinner.
Steve from OH
April 28th, 2011
12:12 am
It can’t just be about writing a wrong, and doing so in the right way.
Very few people can be troubled to do things the right way anymore.
Great post, BH.
Braveheart
April 28th, 2011
12:14 am
Thanks Steve. Meant to say righting a wrong obviously
Bravo Nam
April 28th, 2011
12:14 am
Irrespective of where the truth lies on this issue, I think it is appalling that the parents and Allred have used the alleged incident as a publicity stunt. If the parents were genuinely concerned about what happened, they should’ve followed through the proper channels and let the situation be resolved in a thoughtful and effective manner. Only as a last resort (after all formal channels were exhausted), would you consider a step such as this.
Given one of the parents’ most significant concerns was the impact of Roger’s alleged behaviour/comments on their children and children generally, to expose their children to a press conference of that nature and make them even more vulnerable was exploitative and despicable. Those two poor girls are now far more humiliated and traumatised than they would’ve been if the parents simply followed through the approrpiate formal channels and kept their daughters out of the spotlight… unbelievably insenstive behaviour.
tiger297
April 28th, 2011
12:15 am
just rain & thunderstorms but I have a hypersensitive other 1/2 and she has me and the little one downstairs in fear…I’m watching the weather and if anything is headed our way we can be downstairs in about 30 seconds.
Steve from OH
April 28th, 2011
12:17 am
How’d you like to be the 9-year old kids of that guy? Your dad’s all over the news, draggin the family through the media…good work, pops.
Moe Berg
April 28th, 2011
12:21 am
tiger297–I actually love watching storms. When I lived in Boston, I used to sit in my living room with windows all along two walls and watch snowstorms. In Calcutta, I love to sit and watch the monsoons. I realize that tornadoes are a different caliber of storm, though. Some came through near here a few weeks ago.
tiger297
April 28th, 2011
12:22 am
steve – to be fair say this family makes $100K a year and have the opportunity to get $2-3M out of this deal. Not a bad payday for a few weeks of trama. Plus if it gets an opposing coach canned they might get praise for it who knows.
Steve from OH
April 28th, 2011
12:23 am
Ah, and I see the kids are now quoted on the ESPN story. Jesus H.
Like I said, Roger was waaaay outta line. But c’mon dad, take BH’s advice and take care of it like a man without dragging the family through the media scrutiny (and so idiots like me don’t comment about your alleged money-grubbing on a late-night blog).
Well, I believe that’s my cue to revert back to the real world.
Oh, by the way, these Braves look pretty good all of a sudden…
TnBrian
April 28th, 2011
12:23 am
Bravesheart, I agree 100%. Very well said.
I have a feeling RM will be fined and suspended. Not fired, though, weilding a bat at a fan is imo worth getting canned over.
I wonder if any players/coaches were around RM during all this?
I just hope it goes away fast as possible. The team doesn’t need this distraction.
kirkinga
April 28th, 2011
12:25 am
I think it’s great that the dad is showing his kids to fight back against bullies..allegedly.
And if you are going to fight someone you perceive as more powerful than you, then you go get yourself a bulldog of an advocate and you show up in the public and not hide from the press. After all, you’ve done nothing wrong.
I think it’s terrific that the dad is showing his kids how to fight back without picking up a bat or a gun.Only bullies have a problem when the other person fights back.
Brava
April 28th, 2011
12:26 am
Neither Gloria Allred nor the parents have done anything wrong here so I don’t understand all the attempts to vilify them. How they chose to handle this incident and how one of you would handle it under the same circumstances is irrelevant. If they end up suing, it’s irrelevant. The fact is Roger McDowell has done something seriously wrong, something that brings dishonor upon the Braves organization. Granted, we don’t know all the particulars, but, by his own admission, he is guilty of inappropriate conduct.
If, what has been reported is accurate, he should be fired and left to deal with his legal battles. The Braves can ill afford the distraction of gay rights groups protesting at Turner Field for every home game, that will become the news. Bottom line, the Braves are bigger than Roger McDowell, he can be replaced.
Lastly, if the reports are true, I, as a fan, don’t want him in a Braves uniform. I’m sure I’m not the only one.
Steve from OH
April 28th, 2011
12:27 am
steve – to be fair say this family makes $100K a year and have the opportunity to get $2-3M out of this deal. Not a bad payday for a few weeks of trama
Not worth it. And it would be too bad if this turned into a drawn-out thing for the two kids because the dad wants a payday and Gloria wants another 15 minutes.
Just not worth it. So many things in life to be happy about…and money’s only just one of them.
uga-brave
April 28th, 2011
12:27 am
great post BH.
TnBrian
April 28th, 2011
12:28 am
Bravo Nam and Steve from OH, also a very good posts. I MIGHT be thinking along ya’lls lines, but you guys word it perfectly.
tiger297
April 28th, 2011
12:29 am
I love the storms as well…when I worked at the airport it was amazing our lobby opened to the airport and we had windows 15 feet high and 40 feet wide that facing the airports…basically those windows opened to 10 square miles of open space. Watching storms cross it was pretty impressive. (cleaning the windows on the other hand was one of my least favorite tasks)
Steve from OH
April 28th, 2011
12:31 am
I think it’s terrific that the dad is showing his kids how to fight back without picking up a bat or a gun.Only bullies have a problem when the other person fights back
I dunno, there’s a lot of different routes dad could’ve taken here, all of which would teach the kids a better lesson, with less public scrutiny. The kids see EVERYTHING dad does (remember that, parents out there), so dad doesn’t need to run to Gloria to teach the kids a lesson.
Tip Of The Cap
April 28th, 2011
12:34 am
Exclusive video of McDowell in San Fran!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1CrI5PPVo&feature=related
Bay Area Steve
April 28th, 2011
12:36 am
Curse of Seinfeld strikes again?
Nobody can get a show (and I ain’t counting Elaine’s; that thing blows), Kramer’s droppin’ N-bombs, Seinfeld’s tickin’ off the Royal Family…
Can’t he just toss out a NTTAWWT, so I can celebrate our five of six?
With all the wrong in the world, I’m continually astounded by that which draws folks’ ire…
tiger297
April 28th, 2011
12:38 am
brava – I think there are 2 separate issues here.
1st what roger did or didn’t do should be brought to light and braves/mlb should handle punishment for that. Would punishment be appropriate without issue 2 who knows but that is a tertiary issue I won’t bring into this comment.
2nd issue is the money grab by a greedy attorney and the family. I personally don’t thing the greedy useless sack of skin that is glora is doing anything wrong (and in an earlier post I noted I don’t think the family is doing anything wrong either). It is the system that will likely pay them off to shut up and go away that I don’t like.
Richmond Braves Fan
April 28th, 2011
12:41 am
Also something which I don’t think has been mentioned, the alleged activity took place in SF, the man making the allegations lives in Fresno and who does he turn to but the ever so convenient lawyer in the neighborhood whose office is over 200 miles away in LA??????????
Rest assured it is about the money. A specific apology to her client would all but assure that a lawsuit would never even have to be filed just a simple out of court settlement. The apology and fine she “graciously” only asks for are simply to build a case. Why do any work of your own like investigating when MLB will do it for you. I saw the video posted on you tube of the obscene gesture which was obviously done in an attempt to go viral. Anyone want to bet that the poster micwawaw is Gloria’s assistant? Also good to see the kids have somehow gotten over this obscene behavior that they can now sit and watch it again this time demonstrated by your own dad and his lawyer.
Kirk in case it was missed in my lengthy post I fully agree that if he threatened ANYONE with a bat he should be fired. I just think there are too many questions about the bat, the threats, and the kids don’t belong at the park statement to pass a smell test.
tiger297
April 28th, 2011
12:44 am
steve – not saying I disagree with you at all. I’ve personally turned down a lot of money for what I think would be best for my family. My point is if this family makes $30K a year and they see a shot at $10M (or a bigger differential plus a shot at fame or a reality show and a….). I can understand the thought process for some people.
DS1
April 28th, 2011
12:50 am
Whether Roger did what he was report to have done or not, should be dealt with appropriately.
I think it is total Barbra Streisand that Gloria Frickin Allred is involved.
Good point WW. A REAL dad removes his kids from the situation. If he walks away, no way does Roger have a chance to further “offend” him.
Now, I may have it all wrong, but I just get sick and damned tired of folks wanting something for nothing!!! What the hell is this country coming to???
Nite folks…..gotta go get my blood pressure back under control.
Brava
April 28th, 2011
12:51 am
tiger, I agree that the legal system is screwed up, but if Roger McDowell had ignored the hecklers (paying customers), as a professional MLB coach should have, this wouldn’t be a story.
Yes, Gloria Allred is a publicity seeking money grubber, that is a fact. And yes, these parents should not expose their children to this type of publicity, that is an opinion which I share with some here. But, none of that is relevant to Roger McDowell’s alleged conduct.
DS1
April 28th, 2011
12:54 am
I have had folks ask me before if I want to keep my teeth. Never did I think I was truly going to lose my teeth, or get hit in the mouth.
I think this whole issue has been blown WAY out of proportion.
But Roger will probably lose his job over it. Stupid comment. Lose your job. It never had to happen, but somebody wants something for nothing.
MIBravesFan
April 28th, 2011
12:55 am
The Braves swept the World Series champs in the midst of a 6-4 West Coast road trip. JJ had a complete game, Chipper passed Mantle in RBIs, J-Hey heated up, and Nate started hitting well in the 8th spot. This is what I will remember from this road trip. That said, it sounds ominous for Roger.
DS1
April 28th, 2011
12:57 am
Brava
It is perfectly relevant. As a father, I ALWAYS take my children away from situations that will not benefit them.
This dad didn’t do that.
Doesn’t excuse Roger’s actions, but I find the dad almost as responsible. Shoulda just walked away.
Damn, if I’d been smart all my life, I think I could have goaded somebody into a “offending” me so I could sue.
DS1
April 28th, 2011
12:58 am
MIBravesfan
And we were darned close to winning those two extra inning games! Coulda been an 8-2 trip.
Where are all the Negative Nellies now that we are winning a few games???
tiger297
April 28th, 2011
12:59 am
brava – ummm isn’t that what I just said?
Waylon Jennings's Rightful Heir
April 28th, 2011
1:00 am
DOB, thanks for all that you do.
Do you know who will be in the Peachtree TV/Sportsouth booth on Friday the 29th? Is it Chip/Joe or will Glavine or Smoltz be there?
Brava
April 28th, 2011
1:01 am
Wayne, in the article I read, it said when Roger approached the dad with the Bat and asked about his teeth, the dad was able to defuse the situation. Later, he was encouraged by witnesses around him to report the incident to the Padres and the police. I don’t consider asking someone not to say offensive things in front of my children “goading”. But, we all have differing opinions. That’s what makes life interesting.
Mike S
April 28th, 2011
1:03 am
Tip of the Cap, that wasn’t right…
Bravo Nam
April 28th, 2011
1:04 am
As a number of bloggers have pointed out, this is the last thing the Braves need. Typical Braves luck- just as they’re getting their season back on track, they’ve got this nonsense to worry about. Then again, it may steel the boys to rally around the organisation during its time of need.
I couldn’t disagree more with those bloggers who say Allred and the parents have done nothing wrong. They have compromised their daughters’ psychological and emotional well-being by not protecting them from unnecessarily being exposed to the national media- it’s an exploitative act. Also, by pursuing the matter in this way, they have cast aspersions on their own motivations- in a nutshell, this approach has just made a very unsavoury matter much uglier.
chilidog75
April 28th, 2011
1:06 am
As many of you are reserving judgment until after the facts truly come out … and McDowell presents his side, maybe we should hold off calling this a money grab until they actually ask for money.
Now, I’m not naive. With Gloria involved, I doubt she’s doing it for her love of the Giants or the shattered innocence of a baseball bat.
But they said they didn’t want any money. And nobody has been sued. So let’s quit acting like there are millions of dollars on the line here.
At any rate, that press conference was a nightmare and the fact that the kids were there to see a baseball bat humping … AGAIN … I mean, are those two ever going to be able to watch a game without that image in their heads? That was a circus.
Still. Just cause the dad doesn’t seem very likable and just because he hired who he he hired for an attorney, it doesn’t mean McDowell shouldnt be punished severely. The carnival act only happened because of what McDowell allegedly did.
Anyway. Great end to the road trip.
Brava
April 28th, 2011
1:07 am
Again, those are opinions, Bravo Nam, not facts that can be proved. I’m certain it can be proved that McDowell did something inappropriate.
Good night.
.
Richmond Braves Fan
April 28th, 2011
1:12 am
Brava it is relevant in the sense that the motivations of the people making the allegations are very important. Look no further than the Bonds trial. The government’s “best” witness Steve Hoskins was obviously not believed by the jury due to what they felt were his revenge motives. The financial motivation that many have been referring to is very important to determine his credibility. It seems obvious especially in light of the apology that Roger did SOMETHING wrong. As I pointed out in previous posts that the alleged threatening with a bat seems questionable at best. If that allegation is overstated much less an out and out lie then they have no chance for damages. Did Roger really say the kids at a ballpark statement? IMO because of the reasons stated in my earlier posts, it does not seem likely but certainly helps with publicity and insures MLB will do Gloria’s investigating for her. Did Roger really threaten this man with or without a bat? Based upon the Giants and SF police’s action that does not seem likely. Once again IMO based on the reasons in my previous posts. So I respectfully disagree that since we only have their allegations ie interpretation of what happened their financial incentive to lie is important. His selection of a lawyer known for her PR skills located over 200 miles away is also important. I find it hard to believe he could not find another lawyer a little closer to SF or Fresno to take this case. If so why pick this one? These questions are relevant to determine what of the alleged conduct is actually true.
tiger297
April 28th, 2011
1:13 am
DS1 – we have made it through the worst part of the awful starting schedule at .500 figure we split the next 10 games and then from there the schedule gets easier for a while
tiger297
April 28th, 2011
1:15 am
Brava – if the witness in San Francisco suggest he report the incident to the Padres he is going to lose credibility with me
MIBravesFan
April 28th, 2011
1:16 am
“DS1
April 28th, 2011
12:58 am
MIBravesfan
And we were darned close to winning those two extra inning games! Coulda been an 8-2 trip.
Where are all the Negative Nellies now that we are winning a few games???”
It really should have been a 7-3 road trip, and Craig has got to stop walking the first batter, but he’s got to work through that to get where he can be. The kid can be really, really good – he’s clearly shown that. He’s really still in “on the job training,” for all he got from Wags and from his experiences last fall. I think his April “growing pains” will lead to great things in September and October.
And don’t wake the NN crowd – they’re just waiting for the next loss to explain how the season is over.
tiger297
April 28th, 2011
1:21 am
bravo nam – so I assume you are a psychologist with much experience in this area and knowledge of the individual children and the family situation to state with such certainty this “exploitation” will be a greater damage to the family than any potential settlement regardless of the amount?
tiger297
April 28th, 2011
1:24 am
I’m excited to think about 7 games over .500 by the middle of june (of course more excited to live the ups and downs of the games to get there but that isnt the point)
kirkinga
April 28th, 2011
1:25 am
I’m not a fan of Ms. Allred, or her daughter, but the more I comments I read that attempt to turn the family into the bad guys, the more I think the family picked the right attorney. One thing Allred will do is keep public pressure where it allegedly belongs.McDowell is not the victim, the family is including two children.
Contrary to the inaccurate comments here, the family has not sought money. I hope they rethink that as there is no reason not to make a giant example of a bully.
chilidog75
April 28th, 2011
1:26 am
At the end of the day, I don’t really care about the family’s motives. Because I have no vested interest in them.
I care about the Atlanta Braves pitching coach and whether he embarrassed the franchise and acted like a complete buffoon in uniform, in front of two 9-year olds. Everything else is secondary. And should be for all Braves fans.
tiger297
April 28th, 2011
1:26 am
guess I ran everybody off