Braves quotes after Wednesday win over Padres


On Hanson

“He was really good. What’d he punch out, 10? He did a nice job. And we swung the bats. We got off to a nice, early lead and were able to preserve it. We were able to get Gearrin back in there again and also able to get Kimbrel some work, because if we hadn’t if would have been five days between outings.”

“Everything went perfect. Good end to a tough road trip. The first [four] games in L.A. didn’t go quite the way we wanted them to, then a nice three days in San Francisco and two out of three here. So it’s nice to go into an off day tomorrow and start the weekend at home.”

Win five out of six, feel like things are starting to click?

“Yeah, I think so. Offensively, we saw the bats start heating up and it’s always the dreaded off day. You start swinging the bats and here comes the off day. I think we should put in the manager’s off day – whenever we’re going bad, that’s when we could decide to have an off day. But it doesn’t work that way. But hopefully we can stay hot against St. Louis.”

On Chipper’s big hits early in each of last two games

“It’s nice to see. It seems like there’s a new milestone every day with him. He’s swinging the bat and staying healthy. We were worried early on about day games after night games, and he came in today and said, ‘I’m good. I’m good to play.’ So we put him in there.”

On Hanson’s last few starts

“He’s given us quality appearances. Hopefully that continues. Now everybody gets an extra day with the off day. We’ll push everybody back, hopefully get them nice and fresh.”

On McCann’s long double off right-center wall

“If Ross would have hit it, it would’ve been out.” (laughter) “No, everybody’s swinging the bats. We took the opportunity to score some early runs.”

Could Gearrin’s two appearances here merit some consideration for keeping him with big-league club?

“Yeah, we’ve got a long ride back to Atlanta and we’ve got to get together and talk about it. Because at the very least, he gives you a different look out of the bullpen. Gives you that little sidearm stuff, and he’s throwing strikes. I mean, we put him in a situation two nights ago, first major league appearance and it’s in an extra-inning game and go get ‘em in the ninth, and he did well.”

On him being even a little different than sidearmer Moylan, who’s eligible to return Sat. from bulging disc (but could require another week or more)

“Let’s not get the cart ahead of the horse with Peter. Right now as the bullpen stands, that’s a little different look down there. And we’ll see how Peter comes around.”

Any update on Moylan since few days ago?

“No, I’ve heard he’s doing his rehab stuff and hasn’t done any baseball activity, so we’ll see.”

On McDowell situation, can you say anything?

“No, I cannot say anything. We’re going to release a statement, and that’s as far as I can take it with that.”


“It felt good. Just one of those days where everything was working. I think, in talking wth Mac [Brian McCann], I just need to bring that mentality into every game and not take any pitches or any innings off.”

Did early lead help?

“It always helps getting a lead. You just want to go out there and be aggressive, and make them put the ball in play. Getting that lead always helps. It was just one of those days where I was getting outs with all four of my pitches, so I kept them off balance.”

“Your goal is always to not let them score. But when you do get a cushion like that it makes it a little bit easier and it’s not as stressful, you can throw some more strikes instead of getting 0-2 and throwing three in the dirt.”

What do you mean by “that attitude’?

“Just being aggressive, knowing I can make all my pitches and make them with conviction. I think from last year to this year, that’s the one thing I’m going to try to do when I go out there, every pitch – I’m going to try to make every pitch. That’s going to be my new thing…. Don’t take any pitches off. It sounds so easy, but it’s kind of hard when you’re out there, to do that.”

Hit your stride the past few starts?

“Yeah, ever since the Marlins game I’ve felt really good with all my pitches. My fastball and slider, I’m commanding those, and then I’m throwing a lot more changeups to keep them off my fastball, then throwing that curveball when I need to. I’m throwing all four of pitches and commanding them.”

Do you feel like in last couple of series the team has turned a corner?

“Yeah, I think right now we have a lot of confidence as a team. We’re throwing the ball really well, and swinging it well, too. I think this was a good road trip for us. Obvioiusly L.A., we wish had been better. But these last two series have been great, so hopefully we’ll go into this off day, get a short breather and come in hot this homestand.”


Didn’t want to hang around long with Mick [on the RBI chart]?

“No. I put him in the rearview mirror.” [laughs]

On coming through in the first two innings

“It was a big spot. We had ‘em on the ropes early. I didn’t even realize that Martin’s ball was an error; I thought it was a hit till later. Obviously that was a big play. It extended the inning and gave Jason, myself and Mac an opportunity to put the game out of reach.”

On what winning five out of six in last two series has done for team

“Lot of confidence. I said it earlier, that last game in L.A., even though we lost, kind of turned our season around. Because we battled for nine innings against a really tough pitcher, should have won the game, but kind of got that feeling back from last year, where we came from behind so many times to win. And we’ve been playing, with the exception of the first game here where we kind of played a stinker, the last six games we’ve played really well.”

Last six or seven games a better indication of this team than what came before?

“I like to hope so. I mean, that’s the kind of baseball we all expected to be playing, and people around baseball expected us to be playing. I think if we go out and play the way we have the last six ballgames, we’re going to be tough to beat.”

On pitching the last two nights

“It’s been awesome. J.J. was great last night, was able to give the bullpen a night off. Tommy was on top of it again today. The last two times out Tommy has thrown extremely well. Stayed on top of hitters with his fastball and able to use the whole repertoire once he’s ahead in the counts. That’s the kind of Tommy Hanson we need for 35 starts.”

On how it can take a few weeks for some teams to start clicking

“When you’ve got new pieces and you’re trying to feel each other out, it takes a little time. When Jason moved into the 2-hole, obviously the same as it did last year, we started scoring some more runs. And to be honest with you, it took some of the pressure off Nate, because he’s gone down to the 8-hole and swung the bat really well since he’s been down there.”

Will you call your dad to talk about passing Mickey Mantle?

‘He texted me last night and texted me today, so I don’t even have to. I grew up in the shadow of Mickey Mantle my whole youth. I could sense that he and mom were welling up last night when I tied him, so I can imagine what it was like today.”

“It’s gratifying. I look a the numbers as me just going out and doing my job. That’s how I always approached it. I never really thought about my place or anything like that. But when you grew up hearing about Mickey the way I did, with the reverence that I heard from my father, to pass him in career RBIs, that’s quite a feat.”


On his long double off the right-center wall, missed a homer but at least you got your first double

“Yeah, that’s all I’ve been wanting.” [sarcasm.]. “It took me 85 plate appearances. Everybody was getting on me for not having a double, so actually I was glad it didn’t go out of the yard. This is a big yard. You’ve got to hit it pretty good.”

On Chipper’s big hits early in past two games

“It’s been huge. To give us a lead, especially in this ballpark, with the guys that we’ve got who can pitch with a lead. Tommy was unbelievable today, hitting all his spots, mixing everything up. He was working down in the zone.”

On winning five of six

“It was nice to come back and play the last two series like we did. Any time you can have a winning record on a road trip going out west, you’ll take that anytime.”

“We’re a team that pitches. If we get good pitching, we’re going to win a lot of games. We’re a team that can really go out there and pitch, and swing the bat, too.”

55 comments Add your comment


April 27th, 2011
9:36 pm

Great way to finish the road trip. After losing three in LA and going to visit the champs, it looked like we’d be lucky to go 4-6.


April 27th, 2011
9:41 pm

duh! winning!

Dennis Reynolds

April 27th, 2011
9:55 pm

Now gotta deal with the Cards. Seems like we can never beat that team.

Hopefully when we go to the playoffs we face SFO again. After this whole McDowell thing, this might turn into a pretty big rivalry.

And I just want to throw this in there- Someone needs to keep a close eye on the Marlins. They’re always right there at the end and always get looked over in the preseason talks. That team is young and has some serious hitters.


April 27th, 2011
10:19 pm

DOB, I must have missed something, what were they talking about the McDowell situation?

Dennis Reynolds

April 27th, 2011
10:22 pm

If you’re savvy enough to comment on a blog site, you should probably be able to find the story ON THE SAME SITE.


April 27th, 2011
10:27 pm

Wheres Roger McDowells quotes?

[...] Atlanta Braves [...]

David O'Brien

April 27th, 2011
10:41 pm

Peter, there are no quotes from McDowell, because he wasn’t around for us to talk to after the game. We just got a statement through the team. He wasn’t in the clubhouse, or if he was, he wasn’t anywhere in the areas we’re permitted to be in.

In serious matters such as this, where legal issues/lawsuits/allegations are involved, it’s not unusual for the employee to be instructed by team officials and/or attorneys to not say anything other than issue a statement, like the ones issued by Roger and by the Braves. No one else in the clubhouse, Fredi or the players or anyone else, was going to say anything to any of us today about the matter.

David O'Brien

April 27th, 2011
10:42 pm

Ralph, click on the story beneath the big picture of Roger on our Braves blog page.


April 27th, 2011
10:45 pm

It’s great to see most of the team coming alive at the plate. Don’t forget how amazing Gonzalez has been on defense. I hope uggla gets going soon when he does along with everyone else our offense will be unstoppable


April 27th, 2011
10:52 pm

Thanks DOB; I was being sarcastic and didnt think there would be any. My own opinion is he is in big trouble. I personally dont believe this family of 4 (including 9 year old twins) would spend most of their day making foolish accusations, BUT we shall see how it plays out. Just my opinion is all; gonna be a long flight home.
Wonder how many media will show up at the airport? Atlanta has a large gay community, so look for lots of protests at the Ted.

Freddie Freeman

April 27th, 2011
11:12 pm

Travel Safe Blog Master!

Hope that you get some sleep on the big Delta, and thanks for all that you do!



April 27th, 2011
11:28 pm

Political correctness is gay. And lawsuits over hurt feelings are a joke. Free McDowell!


April 27th, 2011
11:30 pm

Chipper is swinging at more pitches (some bad) so his OBP is suffering but I believe his RBIs are increasing as a result.


April 27th, 2011
11:51 pm

Hope everyone in the Georgia/Alabama area, well the entie south honestly makes it through these storms. Hope you enjoyed the west coast DOB, its been rough down here. Be safehope noone vlose to you or on the team was hit by this weather.


April 28th, 2011
12:15 am

Gotta tip your hat to the Braves players! They are really playing great right now!


Ken Stallings

April 28th, 2011
12:21 am

Great win for the Braves, and a great close to a long road trip to end it a game above .500 for the trip. Considering the caliber of teams the Braves played and the pitchers faced, they did well.

Unfortunately during the SF series, pitching coach Roger McDowell did something truly bad. He returned rude comments to two hecklers but then took it a horrible further step by walking up to a fan with his young children beside him and with a bat in his hand threatening to bust his teeth out! And supposedly all the fan did was respond to Roger’s profanities by yelling there were children present!

That’s hardly the stuff worthy of threatening someone!

Now the commissioner is involved and McDowell could be in serious trouble. Heavy fine and suspension seems very likely, plus mandatory sensitivity training at the very least.

Everything I had previously heard about Roger is that he was a nice person, so what gives here? David, any insight to offer?

Younger Than That Now

April 28th, 2011
12:27 am

The Roger McDowell situation is a tough call… I just wish it had not happened, as most do.

Kudos to Chipper Jones! To be mentioned in the same sentence as the Mick (in baseball matters) is just plain awesome as awesome can be, and Chipper is right there in a lot of categories. Congratulations Chipper! You’ve had a wonderful and great career, and all of it with the Atlanta Braves, and hopefully still a few more years yet to come! Enjoy this milestone and then go after the rest of the league starting this Friday with the Cards!

Again, congratulations!!

McCmann and Aqua Hoss

April 28th, 2011
12:38 am

mann mann mann mann mann…..

Going back down south
gonna miss chippers fish suit.
Tuesday walk-off HR by none other than McLouth!


April 28th, 2011
12:38 am

Judge not that yea also shall be judged. I don’t agree with what I’ve heard but there is always two sides to every story. Respect works both ways, not to just certain people. I hope Roger weathers the storm. No one should get rich off of it.
Great game Braves and great report DOB. Hope the real storm don’t harm anyone right now..Atlanta area getting hit hard.

DC Brave

April 28th, 2011
12:56 am

Only one way out of this for Roger…he has to resign. Everywhere he goes now, he will be a distraction.

DC Brave

April 28th, 2011
1:09 am

I don’t know what is in Roger’s heart and I don’t know what set him off, but it is irrelevant. The fact of the manner is that people who wear that uniform…especially a coach…have no wiggle room. Anything less and its just a bunch of overpaid athletes getting paid way too much to play a game while at the same time bashing fans who actually shell out the $$ to come to the game during a pretty tough economic time. He has to resign…for the love of the team. On a side note…I can’t believe the Braves PR people have handled this so poorly. They should have gone public aggressively before Gloria Pelosi got in front of the TV cameras, that is, if they wanted to keep Roger.


April 28th, 2011
1:09 am

Double WOW! Didn’t expect this performance from the players (hitting and pitching both lights out) or this behavior from McDowell. If close to true he almost has to be fired. Mazzone, if available,should be considered. I hope it’s not as bad as suggested and he gets sensitivity training and a big fine. And how does all this affect the team? I hope it is resolved soon. Thankfully, the Braves have vets Hudson and Lowe to keep things calm and in perspective. JJ, Hanson, Beachy, and the bullpen (minus Linebrink and Ascencio) have been terrific.
Now back to .500 and see how thinks go this homestand. We will learn lots about this team in the next week.

devil's advocate

April 28th, 2011
3:27 am

Those fans in san francisco were burital over the weekend. especially to brooksie. I’m sure those 3 guys were were no exception. Roger had enough… and in true guy fashion. he attacked there masculinity. the f word is not even a gay term anymore. its what guys call each other to get there goat. its just a evolution of the term “dont be such a girl”. i’m sure during that rant. the homosexual community never even crossed has mind ( i know lol ) but thats a guys logic. if there is one lol.. but threatening the father with the bat and the kids thing. thats a tuff one..


April 28th, 2011
3:38 am

I really like this Team and the way we finished this road trip.I think we have the pitching,everyday players and two excellent pieces on bench(Ross and Hinske),but I think if we can make some upgrades at extra of’er,and in’ers we can be dangerous.I hope we can keep JJ and Hanson because they are our future along with B.Beachy and our youngsters in the minor leagues.As we found a way to keep JS,GM,and TG,I hoope our GM can keep these guys together also without trading them to get that righthanded 4th OFer that we need and also to find our new O.Infante.Great roadtrip and lets come home and keep it going.Congrats Chipper on your good play and the new additions to your HOF resume.GO BRAVES.


April 28th, 2011
5:45 am

re’ Roger McDowell

I am concerned as much about his behavior around two young girls than I am about his gay slurs. To be dropping F bombs around young girls is unacceptable. If that had been me , and he had done that, or threatened me with a bat be or made obscene gestures around my daughters, I would have called him over and threatened HIM. and if he even so much as looked aggressive at me, Id be on him like white on rice.

I hope they fire his butt today.


April 28th, 2011
5:48 am

I wouldn’t re hire Mazzone though. He loves himself too much and he just seems like the kind of guy who would undermine the manager. I have always thought that he was more lucky than good, given what he had to work with. You and me could have succeeded as pitching coach with Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz . I wouldnt touch him.


April 28th, 2011
6:52 am

McDowell has too go….We already have our next pitching coach that is employed by the Braves Org. His name is Tom Glavine…end of story,get it done Frank W.


April 28th, 2011
8:11 am

Why should Roger lose his job? He said something stupid, so what? Do we now lose our professions because we blow our tops and say something stupid? If that is the case, then this country and the world is in deep trouble. The Braves have the right to fire him, but seriously all you are going to do is set a bad example of firing people based on words and that is beyond worse than what Roger “allegedly” said.

And sensitivity training?? Last time I checked, we still have rights in this country and being able to freely think and speak our minds are one of those rights. Mark Bradley is worried about a homophobe being employed by the Braves. Does he not think that the majority of managers and players in MLB are homophobes? People don’t have to agree with that lifestyle if they choose not too. That doesn’t excuse saying stupid things like Roger is accused of doing. But a fine and probably a suspension is the only warranted course of action should those allegations prove true. The fact that they hired that sleaze Gloria Allred tells me that there is more to this story and that family isn’t exactly angels themselves.


April 28th, 2011
8:16 am

Orwell’s 1984 gave readers a terrifying glimpse of a society where thoughts are policed by an oppressive, totalitarian government. Fast forward to 2011, and isn’t it ironic that Big Brother turned out not to be a singular dictator but rather the collective influence of a society equipped with internet access and inundated by the propoganda of “political correctness” of a liberalistic media. Make an embarrassing or damaging mistake and it’s instantly up on Facebook or YouTube for everyone in the world to see, and two dozen news “discussions” will be tearing you and your career to shreds.

Now, it seems to be apparent that Roger McDowell behaved in a very inappropriate way, and it’s up to MLB to decide what to do about it. But what I find troubling about this situation, with Kobe Bryant being fined an exhorbitant amount of money for a stupid, off-the-cuff remark, or Miss California losing her crown for basically answering a question truthfully (and tastefully) is that the rights of ONLY A SEGMENT of the population are being protected here, and anyone who disagrees with their lifestyle or finds it biblically or morally inappropriate is being subjected to outright persecution.

Let people think what they’re going to think and say what they’re going to say, even if you disagree with it, even if what they say is indeed wrong, because otherwise freedom of speech is only for those who fall in with whatever passes as the “mainstream” (politically correct), and that’s anything BUT American. If a man is ostracized for standing up and being counted for or against something, THEN you can GUARANTEE that something is wrong with freedom in our nation.

Brave New World

April 28th, 2011
8:24 am

Did anyone ever notice you never see Roger McDowell and Mel Gibson in the same room at the same time?


April 28th, 2011
8:29 am

@Gary, extremus: great posts! i wonder if this guy keeps Allred on retainer for situations like this. at any rate, her rapid appearance in front of a camera with this family is indeed suspicious to me.

one thing i’m curious about: with the ‘viral’ world we live in, you mean to tell me that there was not ONE person in the area of the alleged incident who captured the whole thing on a camera phone? video like that usually hits the ‘net almost immediately after it happens.


April 28th, 2011
8:30 am

regarding McDowell: fine him, suspend him and move on with the business of baseball.


April 28th, 2011
8:38 am

Mcdowell should be fined and move on

Stan Drulia

April 28th, 2011
8:58 am

It’s a really unfortunate situation but I’m sure that he will either be fired or be forced to quit. It’s lame to thing that one little mistake can cost a guy his career, but seriously, how stupid do you have to be to make any kind of threats to fans with little kids. If that would have been me I would have been livid. Haven’t heard any part of what was said, guess it doesn’t matter much at this point.


April 28th, 2011
9:16 am

Remember the famous spitting incident, when McDowell hid behind the bushes and spit on Kramer and Newman, letting Keith Hernandez take the fall? The “second spitter incident”? Maybe we should have known something like this would happen someday. Although Kramer and Newman no doubt dewerved it.

Bad News!

April 28th, 2011
9:18 am

Bads new…..McDowell has been fired! There will be a press conference today. I know what he said and did was wrong, but he has done a great job.


April 28th, 2011
9:23 am

I hope the Braves and MLB don’t try to be so politically correct that they act foolishly.


April 28th, 2011
9:24 am

McDowell has to go???? Are you people insane? People should not be judged on a politically incorrect Outburst. People make mistakes. Hell, Kobe just made one. Let’s get the facts and let McDowell apologize if its warranted, pay his fine and move on.

Who the hell are you ppl in your mothers basement so arbitrarily suggesting that a MAN with NO history of bad behavior be fired? Get a life you oversensitive mamas boys!


April 28th, 2011
9:28 am

Wow, it is truly amazing how many people on this blog were present at the ballpark and within hearing distance of McDowell when he made whatever comments he actually made. The same people have apparently already heard “all the evidence” and rendered their verdict in whatever lawsuit publicity hound plaintiff’s lawyer plans to pursue. Wow, truly amazing.


April 28th, 2011
9:34 am

I can’t believe there is no video of this incident! The gay slurs aren’t the problem here, or shouldn’t be, if this indeed happened. The problem would be the alleged threat against the guy. And it’s awfully fishy to me that (a) neither the Giants nor the SF police spoke to the Braves on Saturday; (b) nothing was heard about this until Wednesday. After all, the alleged incident happened at batting practice before the Saturday game, they played that game and a game on Sunday and nothing was said??? That seems strange. (c) Gloria Allred – that’s all that needs to be said; I mean look at the people she has represented in the past, and you’ll see that she represents the attention hounds. Didn’t she represent Scott Peterson’s mistress, Amber, during the time he was suspected/accused/convicted of the murder of his wife and unborn child? That’s the kind of people she handles.

And if you’ve seen the video, it seems to me like Ms. A kind of liked making that gesture with the bat. She certainly kept it up long enough.


April 28th, 2011
9:35 am

Gary, I assume you are heterosexual..When did you “choose” that “lifestyle”?


April 28th, 2011
9:38 am

I really like this team… A little luck is all they need to take it to the house!

On a second note, This country has become so PATHETIC…. The Quinn family needs to get a LIFE! I mean, what in the world have we come to, that a heckler can go to the park and say anything, and not expect to get it thrown back in his face…. A JOKE! If this man loses his job over this ABSURDITY!!!! The baseball commish needs to grow a few….. The MORONS on this site need to get a life!


April 28th, 2011
9:39 am


Because that’s the way it works! That’s the way we were meant to live, MAN AND WOMAN! Please…


April 28th, 2011
9:44 am

Atlfan15 @8:29………..”her rapid appearance with this family in front of a camera, is indeed suspicious to me.” It is not suspicious for Allred, it is natural.


April 28th, 2011
9:46 am

Tim @9:35…..Gary didn’t say anything about a person, choosing to be homosexual.

Chipper is a Redneck

April 28th, 2011
9:47 am

McDowell’s comments, whatever they alledgedly were, can’t be NEARLY as bad as Chipper telling ALL THE FANS to “Kiss my a**”. Where’s the commissioner’s outrage over THAT?


April 28th, 2011
10:03 am

I can’t see McDowell just sounding off for no reason. I agree that a coach needs to have more composure, but who knows what transpired before his comments. That said, this lawsuit is just ridiculous. File a complaint, fine. But a lawsuit. Get a backbone, dude.


April 28th, 2011
10:14 am

I have to say I am disappointed in Mr. Bradley’s remark about the Braves’s PR being threatened by keeping a “homophobe” on their payroll. It’s easy to make an “opinionated” statement that caters to the mainstream (politically correct); what Mr. Bradley said was as much about placating those in power in our nation as it was about denouncing the actions of Roger McDowell.

And let’s just be frank; the term “homophobe” is a misnomer at best that’s being used by the liberal political machine through the media to make people of conviction feel isolated and out-numbered. The truth is it’s not homosexuals themselves that most of us are afraid of; it’s the idea of someone living a lifestyle we believe is inherently amoral and against the teachings of God’s Word using the media and the State to force an acceptance and approval of that lifestyle on us (both in our families and even our churches) via overwhelming propoganda and social and economic pressure and persecution, denying us the right to believe as we feel convicted to and to teach our children what we believe. We fear what America is becoming: a nation where right has become wrong and wrong has become right in the eyes of people, where innocence is ridiculed and discouraged and character is secondary to money and power in importance. And most of all we fear what will happen when God turns His back on our country; it will rain both on the just and the unjust when that happens.

Even the famous atheist Voltaire made the statement, “I may not agree with a word you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Looks like the liberal crowd has lost a lot of credibility when they won’t even let anyone hold a belief or make a statement contrary to their own, doesn’t it? Let folks do and believe as they will; we all have to face the same Judge someday anyway.


April 28th, 2011
10:43 am

extremus — Amen, brother! McDowell is innocent until proven guilty…


April 28th, 2011
10:56 am

recking ball-Yes, I know he didn’t say that. The implication is that being gay is a lifestyle choice people make-like oh, I don’t know, being a baseball fan? Bollocks.

Jerry W.

April 28th, 2011
11:21 am


Well stated!


April 28th, 2011
11:43 am

Extremus, how is the word a misnomer? When you say that you and the rest of “most of us” aren’t afraid of homosexuals but are afraid that they even exist, you pretty much define the term… Regardless, this has nothing to do with the dirty liberals you seem to love to blame as you tout your beliefs in God as a superior way. Liberals haven’t forced you to accept anything. Gays just want the same rights granted under the Constitution… Be careful when you excoriate liberals… Your Savior was the greatest liberal who ever lived…


April 28th, 2011
2:27 pm

You PPL don’t get it,this is not about the gay slur..i could care less about that..A coaches job is too keep his players from doin crapp like this, not the coach..!this is about a threating comment,if true an the cursing and obscene gestures he made in front of this mans family an KIDS..hes A** should be fired end of story if this proven that he did so…


April 28th, 2011
10:52 pm

“He was really good. What’d he punch out, 10? He did a nice job. And we swung the bats.” At first, I thought Fredi was talking about McDowell.

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