Jones has birthday bash; Heyward giant vs. S.F.

SAN FRANCISCO — Birthday boy Chipper Jones wasn’t certain it was smart to be back in the lineup on Sunday with his sore right knee, but felt he needed to play.

The Braves were glad he did, since the 39-year-old’s two-run double in the first inning accounted for their only scoring for the first six innings of a wild 9-6, 10-inning Braves win that clinched a sweep of the Giants.

The veteran third baseman was out of the lineup Saturday because of soreness in his right knee, not the knee that was surgically repaired in August.

“I was OK [during Sunday's game],” he said. “It started to get a little sore there at the end.” I’ve got some kind of bursitis or bursa sac in my right knee that’s inflamed. But it felt better the last two days. I got treatment the last two days, and it certainly felt better today than it did yesterday.”

Saturday  marked just the third game this season that he didn’t start, and the first because of injury.

While he worked on a crossword puzzle at a table in the visitor’s clubhouse, 2-1/2 hours before the game, he was asked if the knee felt any better.

“Not really. I haven’t moved around at all yet,” Jones said. “But it felt a little better from a standpoint of the treatment I had on it.

“It’s probably risky out there on that wet track, but I think I need to be in there today.”

It had been a drizzly and foggy morning, but was sunny and breezy by game time.

Jones has traditionally hit well on his birthday, and Sunday was no different. He went 2-for-3 with two walks to raise his career average in 12 birthday games to .435 with four home runs and 12 RBIs, including a two-homer game in 2001.

The Braves improved to 10-2 in games that Jones has played on his birthday.

Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez said Saturday that he hoped Jones would be ready to play Sunday, so he wouldn’t have his No. 3 and 4 hitters, Jones and catcher Brian McCann, out of the lineup at once.

McCann has a scheduled day off Sunday, but entered the extra-inning game as a pinch-hitter and went 1-for-2 with an RBI single in the 10th inning.

Jones said it was special to not just to play on his 39th birthday, but contribute to a winning club.

“I see it as doing my job,” he said. “It’s been my job for the last 18 years. I’ve had to listen to a lot of crap. It’s gratifying to be out there and contributing to our ballclub. I knew that I could, but it’s a little bit of a renaissance, I guess, to come back out at 39, after 18 years, and reprove yourself to the people that have been behind you for so long.

“It’s gratifying to come back from the injury, No. 1, as quickly as I did. No. 2, to be helping this club win some ballgames.”

Gonzo gets a rest, Hicks a start

Rookie Brandon Hicks made his first major league start in place of shortstop Alex Gonzalez so the veteran could get his first day off this season.

At least that was the plan.

Hicks got the start and played six innings, but Gonzalez entered as a pinch-hitter in a seventh-inning double switch and played the rest of the game at shortstop.

“He’s played every inning of every game,” Gonzalez said of Alex prior to Sunday’s game. “We need to give him a little breather. He hasn’t missed a game. Doubleheader, day game after night game, he’s played them all.”

Hicks, 25, said he did a double-take when he walked past the lineup card posted on the clubhouse wall, about an hour after he arrived at AT&T Park. The manager hadn’t told him the night before that he might be starting, perhaps so he wouldn’t have too much time to think about it.

“Probably a good idea,” Hicks said, smiling.

The rookie went 0-for-2 with two groundouts and a walk and is 0-for-6 for the season.

Before Sunday, Hicks had played in five games and only had four plate appearances, all as a pinch-hitter. He has always been a strong defensive player, and Hicks won a roster spot in spring training largely because of improved hitting.

Heyward towers against Giants

Jason Heyward went 0-for-5 with four strikeouts in his first game against San Francisco last season as a rookie. But since then, the right fielder has been huge against the Giants.

Heyward had a mammoth three-run homer in a three-hit day — his first three-hit game of the season – to make him 13-for-30 (.433) with three homers and six walks in his past nine regular-season games against the Giants.

The weekend sweep helped the Braves and Heyward get the bad taste from their mouths after last week’s 3-1 series loss at Los Angeles. Heyward was 0-for-14 in that series to make him 3-for-42 (.071) in his career against the Dodgers, who’ve handled him like no other team.

159 comments Add your comment

Clint

April 24th, 2011
10:48 pm

Dave, looked like Heyward hurt himself sliding head first into 3rd in the top of the 10th. Is his thumb ok or any word on this?

Alan

April 24th, 2011
10:48 pm

First finally

Alan

April 24th, 2011
10:49 pm

Bravesin11

April 24th, 2011
11:02 pm

Riding Asencio into the ground in the 7th is some of the worst managing I have seen in the last few years. A guy who was just called up last week and clearly did not have it and just continues to leave him out there with no intention of having anyone else ready. Some very questionable moves in back to back series now…

The Living Legend

April 24th, 2011
11:11 pm

Yes, some questionable moves, but there always will be with anyone. Bottom line: SWEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If we can continue that play and take 2 of 3 from the Padres, I will be pleased.

SUMMER OF 91

April 24th, 2011
11:12 pm

Bravesin11 , I agree, linebrink at least needs to be up in the pen, and after cody ross’s hit, linebrink should have been in there,i don’t care if it’s righty righty- but bottom line is we miss moylan. he’s perfect to bring in with the bases loaded. Freddy was trying to let asensio earn his stripes, and ….he did. he’ll be better for that inning.

BravesfaninAugusta

April 24th, 2011
11:14 pm

Agree that Gonzo did a terrible job managing the bullpen….just a matter of time before this team quits on him…. I know it is early but bad karma already

Mikey D

April 24th, 2011
11:21 pm

What the heck Augusta- Fredi is doing a bang-up job and things are coming together just fine. How about Beachy! Looks like he’s growing into a big leaguer right before our eyes. Picku up a couple in SD and get back home.

PMC

April 25th, 2011
12:14 am

Sweet Weekend Eh? WTG Nate McClouth.

Chillahill43

April 25th, 2011
12:31 am

Mikey d
i gotta respectfully disagree with ya. If you think FGon managed todays game ” bang up” by leaving a kid in 3 hitters to long. That was the worst case of managing i have witnessed in many ayears a classic case of manager not being prepared. Id be willing to say that a large percentage of any cities fans would agree that doing a bang up
Job involves more than letting your rookie become a basket. Case, that was horrible!!!! I hope we have few of those moments again this year and more jhey and mclousy winning the game for us moments!!

PR Braves Fan

April 25th, 2011
12:52 am

Nate bashers……where are they????

P-Man

April 25th, 2011
1:08 am

I’m not a fan of McLouth, but I have to admit, he’s doing well since he moved down to the bottom third of the lineup. He’s even making throws to try to get people out! (My biggest beef was that he wouldn’t make a throw the last year and a half.)

65 Mudlots

April 25th, 2011
1:53 am

Yesiree, Go, Nate! I knew last year was just a fluke. Go ye away Nate-Haters! I look for McLouth to continue to be a big time contributor to the Braves success in 2011. Looks like J-Hey is coming around too after quite a slow start. The only one who really needs to get it going bigtime is Uggla. Hitting only a buck 82: OUCH! Let’s hope his homer to tie the game yesterday is the start of getting that average respectable.

I, too, thought Freddi left Ascencio in too long, but whew, it didn’t end up biting his @ss this time. I think Freddi’s smart enough to learn his lesson there from that. But boy do we miss Moylan. Any news on how he’s progressing, and when he’ll be back?

[...] Jones was experiencing pain in his “other” knee, but sucked it up and played on his birthday. Jones had two hits, scored a run, and drove in two [...]

gotigers72

April 25th, 2011
2:22 am

Uggla needs to get going. This “slow start” crap is bs. Looks like he would get tired of that stuff and do something about it. Get with LP next spring and work on a program that will help him be ready when the bell rings. The most notorious slow starter, Teixeira, did something about it this year and has gotten off to a blazing start. So could Uggla.

Speaking of Parrish, haven’t seen much negative written about him on this or any other board. With TP, it seemed like every other poster was calling for his head, and if he was the hitting coach this year, WHEW! Of course hitting coaches should be given time as well as pitching coaches, players, etc. I don’t know how much influence hitting or pitching coaches have anyway. TP couldn’t help Andruw or Francoeur once they started going downhill. Hitting coaches can’t help much when a Frenchy becomes pull happy and continues to swing at bad pitches. Frenchy has turned things around this year and I’m glad to see it. Despite the fact that he was such a jerk when the Braves tried to help him.

DeepDiver

April 25th, 2011
3:49 am

The handling of the bullpen in the 7th was truly shocking. How Fredi didn’t even have anyone up was astounding. I’ll give you that the first two hits weren’t hit hard, but after Ross screamer and the Tejada walk that should have been it for Ascencia. Why wasn’t O’Flaherty up?
Some of the worst mismanagement I have ever seen, and a bad harbinger for the future I’m afraid.

[...] Atlanta Braves [...]

GovClintonTyree

April 25th, 2011
5:10 am

Nice series. Fredi went too long with Asencio, but let’s not assume he’s a bad manager.It all worked out. On to San Diego.

Make a call to Buzz Capra

April 25th, 2011
5:11 am

Fredi didn’t forget how to manage. He had more than respectable teams with the slop the Marlins gave him to play with. It’s early, maybe he just wanted to see how the kid responded, given that the series was won already. You keep driving your delivery truck and let Fredi keep managing. It’ll work out.

Larry

April 25th, 2011
5:36 am

As April comes to a close this week this is what we have learned:

1. Nate McLouth deserves everything he gets with his attitude and effort and should hit lead-off.
2. The streaky Heyward has some “heroics” in him but a #2 hitter he is not.
3. The Braves starting pitching is good, not great.
4. The Braves bullpen is great, not good,
5. The Braves bench is below standards.
6. Chipper, much to my surprise, is holding up and producing.
7. Fredi Gonzalez, based on watching his interviews, his bizarre and nonsensical situational decisions and lineups, and at times just utter, unabashed buffoonery just frankly hasn’t demonstrated the essential characteristics of a championship manager. Bobby Cox was more stubborn and too loyal than simply dumb; Fredi may be vice-versa, and is most fortunate the Braves bailed him out yesterday.

The lineup should be:

1. McLouth
2. Prado
3. Freeman
4. Jones
5. McCann
6. Uggla
7. Freeman
8. Gonzalez.

Those that have played baseball above T-Ball and understand the necessary skill sets and dynamics of an effective and productive lineup will get it; those that haven’t, and do not, never will.

Larry

April 25th, 2011
5:38 am

I did it again..Heyward at #3

NickGranite

April 25th, 2011
6:21 am

“Nate bashers, where are they?”

It’s simple, if he sucks for an entire baseball season, he gets bashed. If he does well, he gets appreciation. I’m still not won over, that little loopy throw back to 2nd base in game two with no attempt to get the runner at the plate from short center still burns me up. If he doesn’t have the arm, he doesn’t have the arm but if he had sped it up a little he could have hit the cut off man a little sooner and we might have gotten that out at the plate, we just missed him as it was.

NickGranite

April 25th, 2011
6:24 am

I wonder what Beachy thinks of Fredi’s handling of the bullpen. That was win number two that was just given away…

Hooter Girl

April 25th, 2011
6:34 am

Happy birthday Hoss!

longtimefan

April 25th, 2011
6:49 am

Larry, I think both the words pompass and arrogant apply to you. I’ll be sure to forward your proclamations to Frank Wren so he can make the proper changes. Let’s wait until a statistically significant portion of the season passes before we make judgement. One thing I know for sure-Fredi Gonzalez knows more about baseball than you.

Bill M.

April 25th, 2011
6:57 am

F.G. bailed out. I hope he uses pen better than Sunday. They do miss Peter M. What’s going on with Marek at Gwinnett? He should have been called up.

Larry

April 25th, 2011
7:13 am

longtimefan,

I think both the words passive and permissive apply to you. I’ll be sure and forward your proclamations to the Girly Men Club of America so they can consider you as their spokesman.

In professional terms, you and those like you are what we leaders and employers refer to as laggards, followers or clock watchers, always content with mediocrity and the minimal necessary to simply stay employed.

One thing I know for sure, girly men like you are what perpetuates the “vanilla,” the average, the sterile, and you don’t know diddley squat about leadership and achievement, and you haven’t the courage or aptitude to be bold and decisive.

Now, go punch the clock at 7:59 am so you look on time to your supervisor and let us real men run the business, OK?

Phillyrotation

April 25th, 2011
7:57 am

Larry, what do you lead? A Boy Scout Troop??? What foolish ramblings just because someone didn’t agree with you.

vermont 39

April 25th, 2011
8:00 am

Tough board when it is mostly haters and second guessers…
GO BRAVES!!!
A W is a W

UGASlobberknocker

April 25th, 2011
8:02 am

Isnt this the first series win the Braves have had at ATT park?

Joey

April 25th, 2011
8:04 am

Chipper did do a good job, and it is good to see him playwhile dinged up, but it was the first inning, after all.

McLouth deserves the accolades today by getting a hit and driving the game winning runs vs the best closer in MLB since ‘08. Tons of pressure and 42,000 fans shrieking at him and he came through.

Great game, great weekend! Braves went 3-0. Hawks went 2-0 in playoffs.

Larry is an idiot

April 25th, 2011
8:05 am

@Larry.Every day you spew your BS. Please go away. I am just glad I don know you..Being around you must be sheer misery for others. What a loser you are. How about saying something positive sometime.? Is everyone who disagrees with you wrong? No. You are wrong. And pathetic.

UGASlobberknocker

April 25th, 2011
8:07 am

I might be considered a Nate basher if a Nate basher is someone who expects better than below average OF play and a .188 average, But even so, I want him to succeed..and as for yesterday..way to go , Nate, my man.

phil

April 25th, 2011
8:10 am

Lol at Larry and Phillyrotation(bandwagon member)….I love how Larry bats FF twice while calling most fans idiots essentially….I’m not knocking you, Larry…just found the obvious oversight funny.

I disagree about McOut. He’s perfect hitting 8th where he can get on now and then, get bunted over and score on a Prado hit somewhere…it’s worked exactly like that 4-5 times on this trip….McOut’s walks and winning hit yesterday are just gravy at this point. Don’t bat him first where the pressure to be Mr. Leadoff will mess with his already pea sized brain. I’m learning to like the guy.

I’m not learning to like Ugly. A homerun once each week with no other hits isn’t going to cut it. How much longer will the slow start line be trotted out there?

The day off and his overwhelming talent I guess did Heyward a lot of good. Had a nice series in SF and the HR yesterday was sweet….with men on to boot.

And Happy Birthday to the old man. It’s a treat to see him still helping us win games and it’s much appreciated.

Larry's psychiatrist

April 25th, 2011
8:11 am

I can tell you from experience, Larry has some real issues. His wife whales on him every night, his dog bites him, and his cat refuses to use the litterbox, preferring Larry’s shoes. His kids dont speak to him. His current job is is 6th this yr. He was cut from his T Ball team. So please dont be too harsh on him. He cant help it he is a first class jerk and a moron..he was born that way.

phil

April 25th, 2011
8:13 am

Hey Larry is an Idiot…take your own advice and depart the blog. What the heck is wrong with YOU? Other than wanting to bat McOut first, what did he say that’s so “wrong”?

The man may be arrogant, but I’m with him on being sick and tired of having to deal with the likes of you each day….go on back to bed.

phil

April 25th, 2011
8:16 am

Hey Psych….the man is just tired of working to support guys like you who don’t work….I understand that feeling….his shoes may reek of cat urine, but give the guy a break.

Larry is an idiot

April 25th, 2011
8:16 am

If you read Larrys post every day and think he is the normal blogger, then you, sir , are the idiot

Larry's psychiatrist

April 25th, 2011
8:19 am

@Phil, admit it, you are Larry. And I could buy you three times over and have change left.You have no idea what I do for a living.

originalatlbravefan

April 25th, 2011
8:22 am

We sweep the reigning champs in their home park and many of you act like we got swept. Get a life. Baseball is a 162 games. Fredi is a good manager. One of the best we have ever had. He’s following a legend. Some of you act like we hired Russ Nixon, Eddie Haas or Dave Bristol as the manager.

phil

April 25th, 2011
8:22 am

Larry is an idiot – thanks for the compliment. No, I don’t read all of these inane posts every day. After a bit, the moron element becomes overwhelming. But it’s a nice distraction at work off and on.

I’m just saying that while obviously arrogant, what’s the point in condemning the poor guy to the gates of hell basically….

bammmm

April 25th, 2011
8:24 am

In his spare time he manages a baseball team.

Little League?

No, fantasy league.

phil

April 25th, 2011
8:26 am

You’re right, Psych….no idea, anymore than you know what I do….if you want to buy me 3 times over, ok….i’ll be good and set…let’s put it that way…at least you apparently work.

And looking at the posts yesterday in the game, man was there some anger at FG for leaving that hack pitcher in the game. Maybe most of the posters here ARE, in fact, crazy. He’s not THAT bad for staying with a pitcher who didn’t have it….

phil

April 25th, 2011
8:27 am

and psych….no, I’m not Larry. I’m too nice.

Larry

April 25th, 2011
8:36 am

phil,

Typing in Freeman at 3rd was a typo that I quickly corrected…I’m human too!

And thanks for the support…

Others,

If you’ll notice, I keep my comments–admittedly at times harsh, direct and lacking tact and diplomacy–directed toward the braves management and players. I played the game for 9 years and my understanding exceeds most and my expectation exceeds almost everyone’s.

However, when one of you cognitively deficient (or retarded, in some cases) goobers come back and attack me personally by calling me arrogant, pompous (longtimefan calls it “pompass” LOL), and idiot, or whatever be prepared for a response. I know that those that do this are without the cerebral capacity to offer an intelligent dissenting opinion (of which I may disagree, but respect) and can only resort to calling one names.

“phil,” others and I may not always agree but I respect their ability to disagree and respectfully challenge my arguments. The rest of you pork rind eating, ball scratching, smelly butt goobers should just stick your thumbs back in your mouths and focus on a good, hot bath to make this world a better place.

ed

April 25th, 2011
8:43 am

Not so fast on McLouth. He double-clutched in Hudson’s game and the national broadcasters jumped on him. They even made comment that if they were Hudson, they would have a stern word with him. He is not back with his throwing yet.

braves fan forever

April 25th, 2011
8:44 am

well i have to agree.Larry you must be sniffing something with all your crazy remarks.I like the lineup the way it is. I think there is a lot less pressure on Mclouth batting down in the order.Also j-hey is going to hit and look at the difference at how Freeman approaches his bats.His whole facial and body impressions at the plate are different.He is attacking the ball instead of letting it get inside to him.His defense is much much better than i thought it would be.The team looks like it is begining to come around,Let’s see how they do against the Padres.Go Braves

Larry

April 25th, 2011
8:53 am

ed,

Every player in the Braves lineup has committed some type of miscue or misjudgment this season. I’ve seen Heyward butcher more than one routine fly ball, I’ve seen McCann let a couple balls get by him, I’ve seen Prado get tentative and letting the ball bounce right in front of him when a couple of times he could have caught it in the air, etc., etc., etc.,

McLouth was asked about this and, to his credit, he gave a straight-forward, honest answer. The ball was hit sharply right at him and he was indecisive about whether to let it bounce or dive forward for the catch and risk the ball getting by him. This indecision caused him to not have his feet set of the momentum to make a good strong through. He wasn’t passive or slacking…he simply was indecisive and this cost him, He made no excuses for himself…as he never does.

McLouth has a great work ethic, great attitude, and I am convinced is trying his very best. I wish those here that continually attack this man had an ounce of the courage this man has displayed after his miserable 2010 performance.

DOB is cool!

April 25th, 2011
8:55 am

phil

April 25th, 2011
8:57 am

McOut has a bum shoulder….it’s fairly obvious….and now he admits it’s sore, so 6 weeks after he first hurt it/aggravated it supposedly, it still hurts…probably not a good thing for his softball tosses back to second….but he’s far superior right now to the horrid Matt Young or the inept headcase Shafer….or any other nonplayer we have to stick out there…

phil

April 25th, 2011
9:00 am

I’ll have to say that Larry’s points about McLouth make perfect sense and are on the money. I give the guy a really hard time but also really want to see him do well. Lately, the signs are there. I’m hoping he’ll keep it up. Straight forward answers are rare and are greatly appreciated, especially when not accompanied by any cap tipping.

Larry

April 25th, 2011
9:04 am

See what I mean…

“braves fan forever

April 25th, 2011
8:44 am
well i have to agree.Larry you must be sniffing something with all your crazy remarks.I like the lineup the way it is. I think there is a lot less pressure on Mclouth batting down in the order.Also j-hey is going to hit and look at the difference at how Freeman approaches his bats.His whole facial and body impressions at the plate are different.He is attacking the ball instead of letting it get inside to him.His defense is much much better than i thought it would be.The team looks like it is begining to come around,Let’s see how they do against the Padres.Go Braves”

Here’s the perfect exemplification of the goober club who makes a wisecrack about drug use and then goes on to embarrass himself with poor diction, syntax and the grammar of a 3rd grader. It is spelled “McLouth” and “beginning.”

Then this:

“His whole facial and body impressions at the plate are different.”

His “body impressions” are different. LOL! Good grief.

DO your fellow man a favor and please get neutered so you can’t reproduce these genes.

GoBraves!

April 25th, 2011
9:05 am

It’s amazing that Chipper at 39 leads the team in RBIs coming back from a major knee surgery and all. But it sounds like his knee’s bothering him already. I hope he stays relatively healthy. If he plays 130 to 140 games, the Braves can be a force.

Joshua

April 25th, 2011
9:06 am

Look McLouth is hitting well, getting on base, and making plays in CF. I think its time to stop complaining about him for a while.

Joshua

April 25th, 2011
9:06 am

Perhaps instead of calling him McOut, you should call him McGamewinningRBIs.

Joshua

April 25th, 2011
9:07 am

It’s amazing that Chipper at 39 leads the team in RBIs coming back from a major knee surgery and all. But it sounds like his knee’s bothering him already. I hope he stays relatively healthy. If he plays 130 to 140 games, the Braves can be a force.

====

It’s his other knee that’s bothering him, not the torn ACL knee. Nothing to worry about.

Larry

April 25th, 2011
9:08 am

Correction: This indecision caused him to not have his feet set for the needed momentum to make a good strong throw.

Now I’m the grammar goober…face in hands.

Larry

April 25th, 2011
9:09 am

Joshua,

“Perhaps instead of calling him McOut, you should call him McGamewinningRBIs.”

Touché!

Joshua

April 25th, 2011
9:16 am

2 out of 3 against the Padres and we finish a tough road trip 6-4 and head home with a .500 record. The offense has been hitting for several games, including bashing Lincecum for 5 ERs and battling back multiple times…good signs. I think 2 out of 3 is a safe bet too, a sweep is totally possible. The Braves seem to be getting on a roll now, and still Uggla is MIA at the plate. Things are coming together.

Couple that with the fact that the Phillies offense has been utterly stagnant for two weeks now, and things are looking up. They swept the listless Padres in 4 games – but I think their offense is finally playing down to expectations after a scorching start and I expect them to start losing a good number of low scoring games once they have to play some quality teams.

Things should be looking much better 1 month from now.

Joshua

April 25th, 2011
9:19 am

And to be honest, I fear the Marlins more than the Phillies. At this point, they are just more impressive. And I think that even if the Phillies manage to win the division or WC with their great rotation, the Marlins are a MUCH greater threat to anyone in the playoffs, because they have the excellent bullpen and potent line-up to go along with a decent rotation with 2 solid front line starters.

They are just a more balanced and dangerous team than the Phils in a 7 game series where having the advantage that 4th great starter is going to be largely negated by the fact that teams can use a three man rotation with little to no worry about rest time due to travel days during the series.

phil

April 25th, 2011
9:20 am

Keep reading, Joshua, and you’ll see where i called him McLouth. When he gets the average up to a consistent .260 plus, then the McOut’s may stop! He was 1-5 yesterday, which doesn’t quite get him up there with Wade Boggs just yet….I’m proud of the guy…he is, in fact, having a fine road trip.

Danny DeVito

April 25th, 2011
9:23 am

McOut did good for 1 out of what 35 games ? A blind dog finds a bone every now & then…

I’m still bashing Nate but I see by the names here many of you are now loving McOut. Make your stand and stick with it.

Very poor managing by Fab 5 Fredi leaving Ascenzio in there to get pounded in his MLB debut.

phil

April 25th, 2011
9:23 am

We’re already 5 out in the east and 3.5 out in the wildcard behind something like 4-5 teams. I noticed that 7 teams in the NL are sitting around .500. If this turns into a battle of mediocrity, I like our pitching to pull us through, but don’t relish what will happen in round 1 again this year when we can’t hit the ball. The Phillies’ pitching is flat out great. We don’t have to like it, but it is, at least until 1-2 of em get hurt.

Shamwow

April 25th, 2011
9:31 am

Why didn’t you ask Fredi about leaving Ascenzio in the DOB ? You scared he won’t buy your gas on those Harley rides if you did ?

Shamwow

April 25th, 2011
9:34 am

42,000 fans in S.F. and Atlanta has 13,000 fans at games.

boatsnhoes

April 25th, 2011
9:36 am

played the game for nine years huh? nice. tee ball through the 8th grade doesnt count…im not so sure you understanding exceeds anyone at this point. chipper is the number three hitter for a reason. a higher obp with some power as opposed to the four spot which places a higher emphasis on the power aspect. get off your high horse big dog. fredi is there for a reason – he has paid his dues and hopefully learned something about the game on the way up.

Horner's Corner

April 25th, 2011
9:41 am

phil-

Try waiting till after the all-star break before you start obsessing about the standings. To actually worry about the WC race in late April, when you know it won’t be decided until late September, is a poor use of your time.

Larry

April 25th, 2011
9:42 am

Shamwow,

I think you answered your own question!

That’s the problem when you cross the line and compromise your purpose and responsibility. It is only human that after a day fun ride on the bikes and getting more “personal” with your subject area that it will be hard for DOB to ever openly or certainly in person challenge anything Fredi does.

This may turn out to be a disservice to his readers who respect and desire more than safe, vanilla and engaging reporting.

MP

April 25th, 2011
9:43 am

congrats to the braves players but i’ll be danged if the manager didn’t leave me shaking my head in disbelief once again! it was obvious ascencio was struggling. why leave him out there? sure would be nice to see some proactive managing instead the ever present, “we’ll get ‘em next time, kid” after we’ve been shelled. oh, and nice hit mclouth. bout daggum time!

Larry

April 25th, 2011
9:46 am

…and in all fairness, I would like to add that other than perhaps the fearless Schultz, DOB is an AJC reporter that has never demonstrated the lack of courage or willingness to address the more sensitive or challenging subjects. I’m simply saying this is much harder when you have a personal relationship…as it should be.

Double Zero Eight

April 25th, 2011
9:59 am

I was a Nate basher last year. Glad he has turned things
around! I hope he keeps it up.

JeanE

April 25th, 2011
10:00 am

Not impressed with Fredi G’s managing at all thus far. Cox would’ve had someone up and warming up without any doubt and been ready with someone else as soon as the bases were loaded. Fredi just seems like he’s happy to be here, what I have to manage, too? Bobby drove me crazy sometimes but I really miss him, miss hearing his comments to the hitters…big kudos to Nate, I wasn’t a believer that a great spring would translate to the season but it has and you really came through in a pressure sitatuion yesterday. The hair is ugly but if that’s what works for you, have at it!! Also, Bruce Bochy, you are a numbnut for not playing DeRo more often, he is healthy and could really contribute to your club. I’d start him over Tejada, any day.

Pierson Brave

April 25th, 2011
10:04 am

BravesfaninAugusta

April 24th, 2011
11:14 pm

Agree that Gonzo did a terrible job managing the bullpen….just a matter of time before this team quits on him…. I know it is early but bad karma already

Quits on him? Are you SERIOUS? What a bunch of buffoonery.

gotigers72
Speaking of Parrish, haven’t seen much negative written about him on this or any other board. With TP, it seemed like every other poster was calling for his head, and if he was the hitting coach this year,

See the thing is, Parrish is white, TP is not and because the know-it-alls of the blog have no life they seem to think that they can do better with garbage swings than TP could.

Larry

April 25th, 2011
7:13 am

longtimefan,

I think both the words passive and permissive apply to you. I’ll be sure and forward your proclamations to the Girly Men Club of America so they can consider you as their spokesman.

Well you sure told him! And FWIT you do come across as a JACK_ASS. Just sayin’!

phil: How much longer will the slow start line be trotted out there?
Fortunately April only has six more days (counting today) then it’s off to the month of May. Which, if you have read it, DOB and Uggla and several other sources have pointed out May is his best month of the season and April the worst. so be patient and enjoy the 162 game ride that is MLB.

Oh and Larry: I am sure that an educated man such as yourself has read or even heard of the old lesson about people living in glass houses and throwing rocks….

I’m out, gotta go check on my employees!
Go Braves and Go Chipper.

Horner's Corner

April 25th, 2011
10:06 am

NickGranite – “I’m still not won over, that little loopy throw back to 2nd base in game two with no attempt to get the runner at the plate from short center still burns me up.”

Ed- “He double-clutched in Hudson’s game and the national broadcasters jumped on him.”

I said this yesterday and I’ll say it again; Nate did everything fundamentally correct on the throw home during Saturday’s game. It was not a particularly impressive throw, but he charged it, played it off his left side, took a crow-hop, and hit his cut-off man. That’s right ed, he took a crow-hop, NOT a double-clutch and if you don’t understand the difference then please stop posting on these blogs. Here’s a link to the video. Watch the Cody Ross clip and pay particular attention to the re-play at the 32 sec mark.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=14092405&query=%26game_pk%3D287194

phil

April 25th, 2011
10:07 am

Horner – Perhaps you can find something to worry about other than me pointing out the standings….it seems you’re more obsessed with silencing me than anything else. What happens if 5 becomes 10 between now and May 25th? Hmmm? Or is your peanut sized brain incapable of recognizing that we’re toast should that happen? And spare me the crap that it won’t happen. I thought we were too good to be 5 out by now? Oh wait…it’s still early in fantasy land.

phil

April 25th, 2011
10:09 am

Now you’re after Ed, Bob….lose some of the arrogance, fat boy…

Larry

April 25th, 2011
10:12 am

MP,

After (1) the based loaded (no need to tag the runner), two strike suicide squeeze with Hanson batting and the slow footed Hinske running from 3rd in the 2nd inning of a 2-1 game against the Mets; (2) taking out Hudson after a strikeout and needing just one more out with a 5-2 lead and using up Kimbrel (3 consecutive games) for just one out making him unavailable the next day; and (3) completely blowing the momentum in the 7th inning yesterday after his team takes a 5-2 lead by watching a man give up 4 runs and not even getting a reliever to warm up until it was too late, I am totally convinced that Fredi Gonzalez just could be the dumbest manager I have ever witnessed!

That’s three really dumb moves in the first month of the season. At this rate, Fredi alone will cost hie team 8-10 games this season. And when his players begin to realize his buffoonery, they too will slowly give up on him and this is why I predict an 80-85 win season and never in a great position in September to get into the playoffs.

And some of you had them beating the Phillies for the east crown! LOL!

phil

April 25th, 2011
10:16 am

Agree, Larry, with all 3 points but not ready to crucify FG just yet. I thought the squeeze call last week was just awful as i sat there in the sun amazed at what i saw, but remember, it’s early!!! and it will still be early for some in september when we’re 20 games out…which is what 5 games out quickly becomes, fat boy horner, if you’re not careful…

Snickers, I Satisfy

April 25th, 2011
10:31 am

It sounds to me like Chipper is taking shots at fans based on his most recent comments.

Chipper : “I see it as doing my job,” he said. “It’s been my job for the last 18 years. I’ve had to listen to a lot of crap. It’s gratifying to be out there and contributing to our ballclub. I knew that I could, but it’s a little bit of a renaissance, I guess, to come back out at 39, after 18 years, and reprove yourself to the people that have been behind you for so long.”

Well Chipper, you’ve got a point but we fans got a point too watching you be injured (which you couldn’t help) making $16 million per year while the Braves offense sucked. Braves needed you in the line-up those 2 years. I think all players have to PROVE themselves every year. When a player loses ability they get replaced. Glavine,Maddux,Smoltz,Justice,Javy,etc. all dealt with it and you will very soon. Nobody appreciates your career more than I do but when its time for a better player to replace you at 3b then that’s just life.
You aren’t the .300 30 100 guy you once were.

Marteen is a Ballplayer

April 25th, 2011
10:34 am

Good morning all…I posted this on the other blog, but this one appears to be getting action and I would like to know your thoughts. For the record, I bleed and support the Braves and am generally very positive and optimitic. With that being said:

I have to comment on Fredi here. I know it is easy to second-guess managers, gawd knows we did it to Bobby, but I am alarmed at some of the early season calls. I am still miffed at the suicide squeeze with our slowest guy (Hinske) at 3rd, Hanson with two strikes at the plate, and Prado coming up…that was an unnecessary double play. Kimbrel I can sort of get after we were up 3 to 2, but he was obviously having trouble placing his pitches and it cost us the game. Yesterday, was unforgivable and is only an afterthought after we won.

Ascnesino walks a batter, a cheap hit puts on two an then walks a batter to load the bases. Right here, we should think about replacing him with so many available pitchers. But he stays with him and he walks in a run. How about pulling him now? Nope, leave him in there and exchange a hard hit ball that resulted in an out and a run. Pull him? Nope, let’s leave him in there to give up a slap single to Cody Ross for two more runs and now trail 6 to 5. I am simply astonished. This game should have been won in the 7th and Ascensio simply didn’t have it going. That happens, but for the love of all things holy, pull the pitcher. We are fortunate to have won that game. I can only imagine the momentum lost if we gave up that game after Heyward’s monster shot.

David

April 25th, 2011
10:38 am

I like Larry’s lineup…

phil

April 25th, 2011
10:45 am

Marteen is a ballplayer – you are now a hater and are banned from the blog by Horner’s Corner….see him for your severance….seriously, you couldn’t be more right in how you put that.

Snickers – I’m happy for Chipper to get after us….good for him….the man has taken a pounding playing this game for 30 plus years and I admire and appreciate him for still going to the post almost every day. He HAS taken a lot of crap and is within his right to say so and to not like it. Would we? Of course not. He simply has the guts to say so. I love an athlete who goes until he’s toast, like glavine and smoltz did….went down swinging….does nothing to diminish them….and of course chipper isn’t the same player….how could he be?

Brave New World

April 25th, 2011
10:47 am

Happy Birthday Chipper! Chipper is having a very solid start to the 2011 season. His talent cannot be in question, only his health. Chipper is showing a toughness few would have to go out there on a bad knee and a surgically-repaired knee to help the team. Here’s hoping our future Hall-of-Famer can stay healthy enough to play 140 or so games. Go Chipper, and Go Braves!

phil

April 25th, 2011
10:49 am

How very positive and uplifting of you, brave new world! A breath of fresh air blowing through the stale, “hate-filled” halls of this blog this morning. Happy birthday indeed, Chipper! Proud of you, as always….even when out with a sprained pinkie.

reckingball

April 25th, 2011
11:11 am

Marteen is a ballplayer @10:34…………”give up a slap single to Cody Ross for 2 more runs and now trail 6 to 5.”
I wasn’t at the ballpark, but I did watch the game on TV. It looked like Arron Rowand hit a two run double off the wall for a 6 to 5 lead to me, at least that is what they showed on my set.

phil @ 10:45……”seriously, you couldn’t be more right in how you put that.”
Did either one of you actually see the game?

Douglas

April 25th, 2011
11:12 am

Wow the following response to Blow Hard, oops I mean Larry, was priceless. I love starting the day laughing so hard my stomach hurts and my eyes tear up.

I can tell you from experience, Larry has some real issues. His wife whales on him every night, his dog bites him, and his cat refuses to use the litterbox, preferring Larry’s shoes. His kids dont speak to him. His current job is is 6th this yr. He was cut from his T Ball team. So please dont be too harsh on him. He cant help it he is a first class jerk and a moron..he was born that way.

Larry

April 25th, 2011
11:17 am

Marteen is a Ballplayer,

Good observations and questions.

I’m afraid Fredi is what he is and that should be disconcerting to the astute baseball fan with high expectations.

If this were little league or any other amateur setting and the goal is less on winning and more on player development, teamwork, education and building young men I could care less. However, this is a business of highly compensated professionals, and as a paying customer for their luxury and privilege, my expectations of excellence and performance are no different than by attorney, my CFO, my Director of Marketing or my Director of Sales.

reckingball

April 25th, 2011
11:27 am

Douglas @ 11:12…….I don’t think that there are very many thirteen year olds, with a wife and kids. I would say that it would be more like his mommy, and little brothers and sisters. The rest of the comment probably applies.

trey

April 25th, 2011
11:34 am

Happy Birthday Hoss!

Marteen is a Ballplayer

April 25th, 2011
11:43 am

Reckingball…you are correct that it was Rowland who doubled for the go ahead runs. Sitll, this does not invalidate the point that we allowed one pitcher to load the bases, walk in a run, give up an out for a run (which is fine and welcomed in this situation), and a two-run double prior to pulling him. Heck, we didn’t even have anyone warming up during this whole fiasco. While there is no guarantee that we would have gotten out of the inning or not given up a Grand Slam with a different pitcher, I would gladly take my chances with the rest of our bullpen. Asencio did not have it yesterday. You can defend him for a weak garbage infield hit that wasn’t his fault, you can argue the calls made by the umpire, but regardless, he wasn’t on and no manager worth his salt in baseball is going to leave that pitcher in there. At the end of the day, we should commend our boys for fighting back, but we never should have been in that position to start with. The game was on the line in the 7th and if we had shut them down there, that is more than likely ballgame. Even if Kimbrel or Venters was brought in early, that would make sense to me. The game was on the line and it was mismanaged.

Larry

April 25th, 2011
11:45 am

reckingball & Douglass,

You two girls actually have have anything to contribute or debate or will you continue to scream out insults from your bedroom window between your moments of intimacy?

Curious, who’s the “man” in your domestic partnership so I can properly address you as Mr and Mrs? And I’m dying to learn of what moment or act of togetherness led to the nickname of “reckingball.” Actually, never mind!

Horner's Corner

April 25th, 2011
11:52 am

Phil –

My comment was actually meant to be light-hearted, but since you’ve come on the blog this morning looking to rave it’s completely understandable that you would take such offense to my relatively simple remark. Anyway, what I wrote is still true, the WC race will be decided during the last weeks of September, no matter how many scathing posts are written about it today.

reckingball

April 25th, 2011
11:57 am

@11:43am……..”no manager worth his salt in baseball is going to leave tha pitcher in there.”
I don’t know if they were worth their salt or not, but I have seen Bobby Cox do the same thing many, many, many, times. I have seen other manager leave pitchers in too long also.
But, I do agree with you that Ascenio should have been pulled well before the situation escalated, to the point that it did.

reckingball

April 25th, 2011
12:06 pm

Larry @11:17am……..”my expectaqtions of excellence and performance are no different than my attorney, my CFO, my Director of Marketing, or my Director of Sales.”
That is some fantasy that you have going there.
Very funny.

David O'Brien

April 25th, 2011
12:10 pm

Shawow: There were at least a dozen reporters in the postgame interview with Fredi. Some of us were on deadline and some also had flights to catch, so given the outcome of the game, there were several other questions that took precedent in light of the outcome of both the game and the series (win and sweep). And after some (but not all) of those were asked, Fredi Gonzalez gave it a “that’s it” to indicate he was done. Don’t know if that was because he wanted the players to talk about it or because they were trying to hurry to catch their charter flight after game went long, or what. But it wasn’t a big deal, because as I said, most of us were on deadline ourselves.

You’ll have to trust me on this one: If the Brave had lost that game, if they had no come back to tie in the 8th and then win in the 10th, the Asencio question would absolutely have been the first, or at least one of the first two or three questions asked. Absolutely. But the story shifted quite a bit given what happened, and it suddenly wasn’t the priority question, for me or apparently for any of the other reporters in the room.

reckingball

April 25th, 2011
12:12 pm

Larry @11:45…….You show a strong fixation, and a lot of curiosity about homosexuallity and the male peepee(as you call it), in your juvenile comments. haha.

Fredi G.

April 25th, 2011
12:15 pm

Okay–so I fell asleep for a while during the seventh inning. I perfected that manuver when I was at Florida. After all, what did you guys expect?

Another Bobby Cox?

Anyway, the offense bailed me out.

reckingball

April 25th, 2011
12:20 pm

@11:57………..I would like to add to my comment, that I don’t know why Fredi stuck with Ascensio, but it is easy to second guess.
I would also add that FG knows more about baseball, and how to manage a team than anyone on this or any other AJC blog.
I think that the Braves will make it to the playoffs, and have success in them this year, under Fredi G.

phil

April 25th, 2011
12:20 pm

Horner – I didn’t see anything lighthearted about what you said, but i’ll take you at your word and will apologize for being a jerk….

reckingball – no, i didn’t see the game…out golfing with my kids….don’t know every exact detail of what happened, but I was agreeing with him in the gist of what he said….and still do….

But I think you and Larry may have some issues you need to work on….and maybe you and this douglass too….and the set of issues in each instance sound very different…lol.

The pitching fiasco in the 7th is probably another one of those obvious screwup type deals of which a question about it wouldn’t have done a thing but magnify the obvious….FG has to know he goofed, though he may well not admit or want to admit it….hopefully he doesn’t repeat that kind of thing.

phil

April 25th, 2011
12:22 pm

reckingball

April 25th, 2011
12:20 pm
@11:57………..I would like to add to my comment, that I don’t know why Fredi stuck with Ascensio, but it is easy to second guess.
I would also add that FG knows more about baseball, and how to manage a team than anyone on this or any other AJC blog.
I think that the Braves will make it to the playoffs, and have success in them this year, under Fredi G.

come on, reckingball….most of the time a “mistake” can be taken any number of ways, but this was just stupid….i give him a pass this time but you can’t continue giving away games by leaving rooks in who are clearly in need of a shower…

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