1:06 pm March 16, 2011, by David O'Brien
March 17th, 201112:32 am
course now days I got a lotta padding there so they didn’t break
March 17th, 201112:35 am
Nolie, you are pretty tall for a catcher in those days. Do you have problems with your knees?
March 17th, 201112:38 am
JC, I haven’t posted much today until the last little while, but you are welcomed to count these posts as yours as well.
March 17th, 201112:41 am
Regarding today’s blog, I really like Medlen. I don’t really know how the Brave’s FO view him, but I tend to think he has more value that it seems most Braves fans do. He gets the job done… with great determination.
March 17th, 201112:42 am
Oops! I must have run everyone off. Sorry.
they hurt a bit now but I was lucky in that with all the football, catching and rodeo that I never hurt one badly. Back in those days almost any kinda joint injury was a kiss off to athletic play and a big zipper on your body.
course I ended up with worse on my right arm anyway, so WTH.
March 17th, 201112:43 am
Sorry – my return slowed cab’s blog activity…
March 17th, 201112:44 am
I doubt that PT, just startin’ to get late on a weekday night.
JC from DR!
I, unfortunately, see Medlen and/or Beachy becoming trade pieces.
ok im going to bed…gotta get up in 4 hours to get to work on time today…
March 17th, 201112:45 am
I guess some folks actually have a life and other things to do….
nite tiger. take care. 60 hrs huh? Enjoy!
March 17th, 201112:47 am
yeah some young pitchers will go JC, and a healthy Medlen return will play part of that. I am still not a real believer in him. I see him as a #3 or #4 starter at best. Of course some of our prospects are not gonna pan out at all, just the nature of the game.
March 17th, 201112:50 am
Where do you stand on Delgado, nolie?
March 17th, 201112:52 am
Good night, tiger.
March 17th, 201112:56 am
just have not seen him much at all JC. He seems to elicit the most varied ratings from different analysts than the other two. Some sites/guys like him a lot, some rank him much lower that either Teheran or Vizcaino.
March 17th, 201112:58 am
I see him as around a 3 starter, Nolie. Maybe because he came right along with Hanson, but it seemed that he was hardly noticed when he came up. Everything was Hanson. It seems like in people’s mind he is a #5 starter. I think he very well could be better than that. He really hasn’t had enough time in MLB to show what he can do. I know why it was handled the way it was, but I hated to see him start a couple of games and then be sent to the pen. It is my understanding that it was when they changed him from a rp to a sp that he began to shine in the minors. Ideally, he needed time as a starter in MLB rather than in the pen.
March 17th, 201112:59 am
He was the one that got hit the most out of the three during their outings this spring. That’s too small of a sample to base judgement on, but he wasn’t too impressive in comparison to Teheran and Viz.
March 17th, 20111:01 am
He was lights out at AAA.
Wasn’t Meds even doing better than Hanson by the time he got called up?
March 17th, 20111:03 am
yeah could be totally meaningless JC. ST is not given all that much emphasis in evaluation for the most part. Just gonna hafta wait and see.
March 17th, 20111:05 am
Yes, JC, he was. At least as far as ERA is concerned. Certainly not a total indicator, but it does have some meaning.
March 17th, 20111:06 am
If I remember correctly, Meds had a sub 2.0 ERA.
March 17th, 20111:07 am
whenever we have a huge prospect(s) I always think of all the ones I have seen who seemed slam dunks but failed. Most fans don’t see it that way.
Bruce Chen was ranked as highly #4 as Teheran is and flopped. The Mets had those three no doubters at the same time like we have now, and they all got hurt young and were not much at all. I don’t like to enthuse too exuberantly too soon
DELGADO gets traded for a dyno-myte LF. MEDS for a great young SS, in due time of course. My dreams are omniscient as always.
March 17th, 20111:09 am
JoJO was good in the minors. Chuck James had awesome numbers all along the minors. TINSTAAPP was coined for a reason.
March 17th, 20111:10 am
keep working with your grandson rich, perhaps he can play SS or CF for us in a few
March 17th, 20111:11 am
He was 5-0, with a 1.19 ERA in 6 starts. 8 appereances total. 37.2IP 20H 5ER 10BB 44K.. no HRs allowed.
And when do you “enthuse too exuberantly”, nolie?
March 17th, 20111:12 am
Medlen, that is..
nolie, if you don’t mind me asking, how old are you?
March 17th, 20111:13 am
Small sample size, but very good numbers.
And when do you “enthuse too exuberantly”, nolie?….PTBNL
the prospects start dropping like flies PT
March 17th, 20111:15 am
I’m 65 Jerry. retired and in not so great health anymore, which is why I am here all the time….
March 17th, 20111:16 am
Nolie, the difference is, I never was impressed with Chen nor JoJo. Don’t you know that THAT is what counts?! And I never thought James could be anything more than a 5, but I did think he would last a little longer than he did.
March 17th, 20111:18 am
I wasn’t referring to prospects, nolie.
I kinda figured you were about my age, but you got me by a few. I’m retired from the fire department, but still work a full-time job to pay the bills.
March 17th, 20111:19 am
well I was very enthusiastic here about Prado when he was in AAA, and I was very high on getting Vazquez and said he might have his best year, when 98% of the posts over about 30 or more hours were extremely negative. So I guess I didn’t cause them to fail anyway….
March 17th, 20111:21 am
I didn’t think much of Chen or KK from the start, mainly because I don’t believe in pitchers whose best pitch is a curveball.
You said “too soon” as though there is a time when you enthuse exuberantly. I was just asking when does that time come? (Tongue in cheek) I don’t think I have recognized a time when you were of such a state. I just want to know when it happens so I can recognize it when it comes. lol
I wonder what’s the average age here on the blog.
March 17th, 20111:23 am
just not all that emotional of a guy, partly by nature and partly by being trained to dismiss my emotional ties when evaluating players.
My ex and most of my GFs have said the same.
Not even enough emotion at the break ups to cause us not to stay friends.
I can have a short temper at times, but it goes away almost immediately and I never really hold a grudge….well maybe against coach
March 17th, 20111:24 am
Yes, I agreed with you then and I agree with you now regarding them both. I said at the time that Vazquez may very well be our best pitcher that year. I just had that feeling. But I see what you are saying. I just did not realize that you were “enthused too exuberantly”.
March 17th, 20111:25 am
I don’t remember what I felt about Vazquez at the time because I was so disgruntled about the Lowe signing for $15mil per year.
I kinda liked Chen, and that was back when I was still seeing the minor league teams every summer. Never thought he was the 4th best prospect in baseball but i did think he might have an OK career. Fooled me too.
March 17th, 20111:27 am
Well, when nolie is on the blog, the avg shoots way up. When he is not, it goes way down. lol
well the blog was swamped with negativity for the most part about Vazquez cause we traded Flowers who had just had a record setting AFL performance. One of the longest most negative stretches I can remember here.
March 17th, 20111:29 am
there are a few of us in the 60s age group, richbrave is actually a few years older than I am, but there are not many…at least not who are willing to admit it.
I wouldn’t have a clue what the avg age of the bloggers is. But I am curious to know how of us “older” types there are.
March 17th, 20111:30 am
I have never been privy to seeing the pitchers much in the minors. I would only get glimpses every now and then and hear reports. And from those, I would get a feeling about them. I heard a lot of good about Chen, obviously, and I really could not point to anything in particular, but I never saw the potential that others seemed to see. Or maybe I never saw him fulfilling the potential.
March 17th, 20111:32 am
Im just 24, will be 25 in july.. so I make the blog avg a bit younger
March 17th, 20111:33 am
Yes, nolie. I remember that. Some were very angry. I thought it was an excellent trade. Still do. Flowers is one that had some nice numbers, but I don’t see him translating that into MLB stardom.
March 17th, 20111:34 am
lotta folks in their 20s here I would guess. some teens too. It seems to me to be fairly representative of all age groups really
March 17th, 20111:37 am
I noticed that both of our ex-catchers Flowers and Max Ramirez are still listed in the top 100 prospects by many raters.Neither have yet to live up to their MiLB hitting numbers
JC, you may be about the avg age of the blog.
March 17th, 20111:38 am
People still gripe about Wren overpaying Lowe as well as both years Vazquez was traded (to the Braves and to the Yanks). It is true that Lowe was over paid, but Wren had to do what he did. I can even see why he felt the need to get KK, though I was surprised that he did that. It did not seem necessary to me at the time, yet KK did help the team his first year. Pitching had to be upgraded. It was a must and Wren upgraded as much as he possibly could with what was available.
March 17th, 20111:39 am
Just checking in, catching up, and checking out for the night.
But did want to join the rest in wishing your dad godspeed in the healing and you in the patience. (smile)
nolie, the only course I haven’t completed was your late night tutelage in the use of emoticons a few months back. However, I still have my notes and was wondering if I could turn in an essay for extra credit.
Thank you for taking my call. I’ll hang up and listen.
March 17th, 20111:43 am
Do you see any real potencial in Freeman?.. I like that kid a lot, even more than Heyward right now (Heyward’s nagging injuries being a reason for that)… you might call me crazy but I see some of Chipper in Freeman too.
March 17th, 20111:44 am
Hey, haggard. I really do appreciate it.
Isn’t there a website that tells you how to do emoticons on this blog? I remember going to one way back when the blog format changed, but I don’t remember a thing that I learned at the time. lol
nolie, it would seem that we do better with pitchers than catchers in our system, with the exception of McCann. Even Salty is falling short and I thought he was a can’t miss.
March 17th, 20111:46 am
There are a lot of older people in here, maybe is my limited english that makes me see it that way.. but the maturity in this blog makes it seem a bit older in avg age.
Freeman does not have all the tools Heyward has, but I see him as a legitimate MLB player, very good defensively and at least avg offensively.
March 17th, 20111:49 am
His power is a question mark for me presently. Not sure how that will play out. But he seems to have some good hitting skills.
JC, I agree with you on Freeman. I honestly think that kid will be huge very quickly. I love his swing, and defensively he is a stud.
March 17th, 20111:50 am
I know Freeman doesn’t have all the tools Heyward has. But I see something in him that makes me feel encouraged. Hope im right and that kid steps up on his new job, we need him.
March 17th, 20111:53 am
nolie, did you ever check out that newsleecher program?
March 17th, 20111:54 am
Jerry – Yeah, he might never hit 35 or more HRs. But I think he will establish himself as one of the best all around first basemen in the league. Love his swing too.
JC he is the kind of guy that you can have a good feeling about. I don’t just mean his personality, but that included.
March 17th, 20111:56 am
It’s been a long day. I had better get some rest. Thanks for the chat. Good night.
Hey is one that I have to reign in my exuberance on so far PT. If the kid can stay healthy, he could be a great player. Remings me of Parker and also of Cliff Floyd who was a very impressive prospect b4 he got hurt
March 17th, 20111:57 am
good luck with putting up with your da PT
Yeah, I think I could live with the second coming of Mark Grace.
March 17th, 20112:00 am
no Jerry I haven’t gotten around to it. I haven’t DLed much of anything in the last few weeks. Got it bookmarked still. I’m not sure I understand how you find movies and tv shows in news sites though.
I think if he hits, he will have more pop than Grace
March 17th, 20112:01 am
Well guys, getting late for me. It was a real pleasure talking to all of you. Have a good night and nolie take care of those ribs, would you? talk to you in about 12 hours.
My take on Heyward is that he is a very streaky hitter, like Dale Murphy, only better than Murphy potentially. I hope he becomes more consistant with experience.
March 17th, 20112:02 am
Grace led the 90s in hits and doubles IIRC
March 17th, 20112:04 am
gotta keep things in context Jerry. In my experience I see him as less streaky than most 21 year olds in the bigs, not more. 131 OPS+ as a 21 year old is mightily impressive.
March 17th, 20112:07 am
perhaps what you are seeing as streaky, I am attributing to health issues with the thumb. I was amazed he did as well as he did with such an important part of his swing causing pain all the time.
March 17th, 20112:09 am
well I guess I’ll try to get a few hours of shuteye too. nite y’all.
March 17th, 20112:10 am
There was a time in the earlier days of the newsgroups where you had to understand how things were done, but programs like Newsleecher make it so effortless to download shows and movies. I think the thing that I’ve always been amazed at is that there are so many people out there that are so willing to devote their time to encode all these medias and upload them to the newsgroups without being paid.
March 17th, 20112:11 am
Anybody else see a resemblence between Peter Moylan and Stu from the Hangover?
March 17th, 20112:12 am
I think the thing that I’ve always been amazed at is that there are so many people out there that are so willing to devote their time to encode all these medias and upload them to the newsgroups without being paid. Jerry
rebels stickin’ it to the man
March 17th, 20112:14 am
I’ll give him credit for the fact that when he got hot, he put unbelieveable numbers up really quickly. And I put some of his earlier dry spells on his thumb, but not later in the season.
March 17th, 20112:15 am
nite nolie, us old guys gotta get our sleep.
March 17th, 20112:16 am
Is Stu the guy with the beard?
March 17th, 20112:23 am
Well, it looks like I’m the last one left tonight. I’ll lock up on my way out. G’nite America!
March 17th, 20112:36 am
In regards to Jason, he was some streaky last year;but how could you expect anything else of a rookie at his age?
I think too that a lot of it was his thumb, and i bet that thumb bothered him off and on to some extent all year.
March 17th, 20112:37 am
I always get here in time to read the closing performances.
March 17th, 20112:43 am
Good night and good luck
March 17th, 20114:14 am
I’m here to balance the maturity level a bit by dragging it downward.
PTBNL, you and I have very similar ideas and impressions about most things discussed here (baseball related things, at least). That doesn’t speak well of you.
Nolie, you’re only 65? I guess it’s the new 80.
March 17th, 20117:32 am
Top of the mornin!
Madonna's chin hair
well pluck me. Where is everyone?
March 17th, 20117:39 am
I’ve been refreshing my browser for the last 30 minutes waiting on a sunrise pic.
Make sure ti wear your green today,mcjeffrey.
March 17th, 20117:53 am
Got the green polo on
March 17th, 20117:57 am
For all of us LANIGANS, and for all you who aren’t Irish, Happy ST. PATRICK’s day. Luck of the Irish to ye’ all!
March 17th, 20118:06 am
Here is an interesting tidbit… Does anyone know what our dear Milky Cabrera has for a batting average this spring? I was pretty astounded to say the least.
March 17th, 20118:12 am
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