12:42 pm March 1, 2011, by Carroll Rogers
March 1st, 20113:21 pm
But are you willing to give up several top prospect for 2 years of Wright? Because chances are he’ll want more then we are willing to pay to resign…I’m thinking somewhere in the $20-$25 million area…
south georgia braves
CB- Hanson started and pitched well. Gave up a triple down the first base line described as “muddy”. No runs.
so much for my theory on seeing either Delgado or Vizcaino….Broadway went two and now Asencio is in for his second inning.
bob horners beer belly
March 1st, 20113:22 pm
Hey cabravesfan. My wife and I are planning our fourth cali vacation in less than two years. We gotta break the habit- the world is too big a place.Really a pretty and interesting place.
Gotts say, San diego beats heck outa San Francico…cold in the summer? Dang.
Murph, I left it overnight to download, it’s a big one. It’s pretty good, I’ve only gotten to play about 3 games and with the demo the game only last 4 innings unless your tied. I’m struggling with hitting. It’s not the easiest of things to do but I’ve got the pitching and fielding down pretty good though. Looking forward to the full version.
timthebrave,don’t encourage him.
south ga braves Wright is not a good fit for the Braves
how you figger that? if chipper retires, who would be a better fit than david wright?
jeffs problems are TP’s fault end of story..
P’cola Brave…stats support Wright, I just have a feeling about him. I think he’ll decline, injury…maybe I’m just a Mets hater…
But I’m not about to get into a David Wright discussion- he’s not available right now anyways
P-T, I shipped Lew some grits.
March 1st, 20113:23 pm
cab – I’m sure they could come up with a package that made the Mets happy without tearing up Wren’s plans. I doubt Wright ever sees $20-25 mil a year – ever.
GameDay is messed up! How is Detroit playing both the Phils and the Blue Jays right now? Beating both of them 6-2.
“Robert….You know you want to say Jeff’s problems are all …….
Bobby Cox’s fault”
But I will say that Cox did Frenchy’s career no favors
March 1st, 20113:24 pm
But as has been said – Doubt it will ever happen. But it would be one hell of a lineup with him in it and Martin staying in left.
That’s why I hate when Robert jumps into a conversation….It always ends up being about Bobby Cox when everyone really was talking about Jeff Francouer or anything else…
Robert…aka scratched record aka robbie 50 times…get the paper..get the paper…get the paper
Although, I’m still interested in seeing what Joe Leonard can do before we go out and trade for a 3rd baseman.
bob horners beer belly -
Yeah, it’s cooler in San Francisco, but it’s such a beautiful city! (one of my favorites) Not that San Diego is nasty, of course- you really can’t go wrong either way
March 1st, 20113:25 pm
We may not have to look outside the organization for Chips replacement. If the Salcedo kid develops or the Bowman kid continues to developm, we may have an in home fit.
baxter my little gentleman
braves win 3-0
I lived five years in SF…my favorite city in the world.
March 1st, 20113:26 pm
I still like Prado at 3b for the long term and spend the dollars on the outfield and shortstop.
P’cola Brave, have you been on PS3 lately?
Transplant – Actually, I would, too. Just always liked Wright – despite being a Met. It WOULD be a great lineup with lots of offensive potential.
March 1st, 20113:27 pm
Good game, Braves Fans. Now, I gotta get back to work. See ya!
“It always ends up being about Bobby Cox when everyone really was talking about Jeff Francouer or anything else…”
Would you be able to comprehend the idea that part of Frenchy’s problem is that he doesnt know what’s good for him?
He loves Cox and thinks Cox is great for him, but in fact Cox did nothing but reenforce Frenchy’s bad habits
When I was seven years old, my favorite babysitter was the one who let me stay up til midnight eating ice cream and listening to KISS records
My parents didnt agree
P-Town Brave ©
March 1st, 20113:28 pm
Ahh, CA’s fav
A little bit. Been kind of crazy around here. Haven’t got to sit down on the system to much. Did fire up 2010 The Show about a week/ week and half ago. Knock the rust off.
He might…Howard’s getting it, Gonzalez is getting it, others that are not as good as Wright are going to be making, maybe not $20 million, but more then they are worth, driving up his price. Besides, I didn’t say he’d get it, just that he’d want it, and if that ended up being the case, the Braves might decide to just let him walk… (and that is way more then I intended to say about him )
Robert, You need to let your hatred of Bobby Cox go….It’s tearing you up inside….It’s turning you into a robot…let it go…it really is time to let it go…I know 1 year is too soon to let it go but honestly when. 2012? 2020?
Wright is now a below average fielder and his power is down. No way he is worth that money. None. Plus, he’s valuable to the Mets, who are going to clean house and need Wright and Santana to provide some continuity.
Willie Mays Hayes
March 1st, 20113:29 pm
DET had split squad today…though wouldn’t surprise me if gameday screwed something like that up the way it’s been going this spring
DAP – I’m talking money. I’m not if favor of a fat contract for him, AND trading our prospects to the Mets (and you know that price would be high), AND facing big pay days for Heyword and our young pitchers.
I like Wright, but I’d rather sign several of our young up and coming players. I guess there is money coming off the books in the next few years, but my concern is binding ourselves where we can’t keep the talent we’ve brought up through our system. Like the Cards find themselves in.
March 1st, 20113:30 pm
WMH – just interesting they had the same score.
Frenchy only got called back up because of an injury. Pity. My guess is that he got used to smoking outside pitches in the minors and still hasn’t figured out that major league pitchers throw down and away with MOVEMENT, not just lame fastballs.
AT – have you hit any homeruns in your 3 games? I still struggle to hit ‘em in MLB ‘10… maybe one every 10 or so games. I don’t want it to turn into a homerun-fest, but a few more every now and then would be nice to keep me interested.
March 1st, 20113:31 pm
Finally got the laptop from Dell to fix all the issues I’ve incurred w/ those people…
Anyways, fired up the 2k Front Office Manager…let me just say, that game is ridiculously hard!
Before my 1st yr w/ the Rangers, I picked up Shane Victorino off waivers and signed CC Sabathia…
March 1st, 20113:32 pm
Lew,have to disagree with you on the contract Wright could earn in the future. I see him being a good bet for a 20 million a year contract if he performs well in 2011-12,will be in his prime at a power position.
P’cola Brave, I think I sent you an invite already, I think?
I get it Robert…Cox has ruined every bad player that’s come through the braves organization and caused every single one of our losses. The good players are only good because they don’t listen to Bobby and we won some games despite Cox best effort to sabatoge us. He’s been nothing but a horror to Atlanta sports and deserves to be hanged…That about sums up all your comments on here.
Well, and it seems like Francoeur’s had so much success at every level that he’s had a hard time adjusting to the fact that he’s not successful at this level. Someone who has to adjust and focus on improving his game at every level naturally does that if he reaches this level. For someone who’s always had success, I could see it being a difficult adjustment.
GTAlum, I might believe that were true if he had success in the skills relating to plate discipline and command of the strikezone at any level. But he’s not been able to adjust that aspect of his game at any level and he’s not had success at any level as far as these skills go.
I don’t think him not being successful at this level that is causing him to not be successful. That makes little sense.
March 1st, 20113:33 pm
I know Wright will never happen but people bashing him is unbelievable. The guy had 29 HR last year, over 100 RBI’s. Hit almost .285 and had an OPS over .850 while playing 157 games. You know how many people would have killed to have that in our lineup. I hate the Mets but love David Wright. The guy plays the game the right way, unlike some of his counter parts in NY. The guy is a budding star in the NL and theres no reason to think otherwise.
March 1st, 20113:34 pm
So I had an Opening Day lineup of:
Rotation of Sabathia, Millwood, Padilla, Harrison, Hunter w/ Broxton/Wilson/Francisco/Benoit to go in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings…
March 1st, 20113:35 pm
P-Town>> M. Young called and wants to be traded.
March 1st, 20113:36 pm
This dates back to 08 rosters…
But anyways, that looks like a solid lineup does it not…well, after 70 games, I am at 26-44.
The game should not be that difficult in game when I go out and get Victorino off waivers, Gamel in the Rule 5, CC out of FA, and make a trade for Broxton…
You’d think I should be doing well right?
March 1st, 20113:37 pm
Shoot, the way it’s going… I’m lucky to get more than 1 hit a game. It’s down right hard, maybe not to some that have the older versions. The last MLB game I had was 06 I think, so I’m extremely behind the curve.
Reserved a copy of MLB the Show at lunch also had to reserve a copy of Tiger Woods 2012 the masters.
March 1st, 20113:38 pm
South GA Braves-
Sadly, Michael Young is carrying my team…His BA after the 70 games is close to .400.
Problem is, Kinsler is hitting .236, Victorino is hitting .174 and I have since moved him to the 9 hole, and Josh Hamilton is hitting .241 w/ very little power…
I think 2k relies way too much on the XP sliders…
Robert, here’s the problem with your argument: Bobby Cox was not Francoeur’s manager throughout the minors. He was not his manager in New York. He was not his manager in Texas. Yet, in all those places, Francoeur lacked enough skill in the area of plate discipline to be a good hitter. How do you explain that? How do you explain that he’s played under a variety of managers and coaches, even working on his own with some of the best hitting coaches and players, only to more or less have the same basically plate discipline as he’s had his entire pro career? Could it be that plate discipline is largely a skill that can’t be drastically coached up? Much like you aren’t likely to turn Mark Lemke into Ryan Howard, no matter how much you coach him up, you aren’t likely to turn Francoeur into Chipper Jones. It very likely has nothing to do with coaching or desire; it’s about skills.
March 1st, 20113:39 pm
Murph , I look up in the zone to get homeruns in MLB 10. Unless I have 2 strikes I’m not swinging at anything below the waist. That seems to wear out the pitcher and leads to more home runs for me.
Yeah, its about time to get another golf game for me as well…
Which system did you reserve TW for?
March 1st, 20113:40 pm
Wow, I think some people are letting their hatred of the Mets blind them. David Wright is a hell of a player. I’d take him on the Braves any day.
I downloaded the demo myself and they changed quite a bit. Hitting and pitching are completely different being analog now instead of using buttons. And yes, it is tough to hit bombs like last year. I too will only play it a couple of days before I head down to Orlando
I played those 3 games and was feeling pretty good about myself because I took a shutout into the 7th inning with only 2 hits allowed. The son wanted to give it a try and I said, “sure but it’s pretty tough”, I leave the room for a few minutes and comes back to find the score 4 to 4 in the 3rd. I don’t know how he was actually scoring runs. I haven’t scored once yet.
Well, after playing countless amounts of games, I have come to learn that it depends what the pitch is, where your hot zones are, whether you’re righty v lefty, AND batting stance seems to factor greatly…
For example, I noticed when going from a straight up type stance to a Soriano slight crouch stance, I better launched low balls in the K-zone…
March 1st, 20113:41 pm
When I was talking about success at every level, I meant end results. He was hitting well enough to be a top player at other levels, so he likely never had that much pressure to improve his plate discipline. He might’ve had coaches tell him he could improve his game that way, but his ability to continue to play the game didn’t hinge on it.
And I was saying that the fact that he hasn’t really had that kind of pressure to make adjustments and develop those skills before is what’s hurting him now. Most players need to have skills in addition to tools, so they’re used to developing those skills. Sounds like Frenchy’s always gotten by on his tools, so he’s not used to building those skills.
Playing older Sports games is pretty difficult. I played an older version of MVP not long ago. Using franchise mode Chuck James was so freaking good on that game he was CY Young type pitcher. It’s hard to play it when you know it’s not true.
If Francoeur had a quarter of Chipper’s plate discipline, he wouldn’t be shifting from team to team.
Truly, when Chipper retires, the Braves need to sign him to coach young hitters on their plate discipline and commanding the strike zone. There’s certainly a lot of temperament that goes into goes into plate discipline, but Chipper could be very good with some talented kids who need to control their free-swinging ways.
Hardest thing for me the last couple years was the baserunning with the analog.
March 1st, 20113:42 pm
shaun Bobby Cox was not Francoeur’s manager throughout the minors. He was not his manager in New York. He was not his manager in Texas. Yet, in all those places, Francoeur lacked enough skill in the area of plate discipline to be a good hitter. How do you explain that?
i think robert was referring more the the fact that frenchy played pretty muh every inning of every game while he was here, despite playing pretty badly. there werent a ton of better options for right field while frenchy was here, but it still hard to defend bobby on that one.
March 1st, 20113:43 pm
XBOX I was thinking it would be a cool Kinect game
March 1st, 20113:44 pm
P-T, I haven’t even gotten that far yet.
Shaun, In the minors you can get away with having huge holes in your swing. High fastball and anything outside for Jeff. In the majors even the mediocre pitchers can hit their spots. Jeff never adjusted after the pitchers made the adjustments on him
March 1st, 20113:45 pm
No, see, this game is not that old so most of the stats remain true…
Anyways, did you know that you can get MVP 04 for PC and there’s a website that updates all the graphics, rosters, etc like a mesh to 2011?
I’m going to trade in Black Ops for PS3 and get one for XBOX. Trade in for $30 and pay $49 for the same game. I know it sucks but the game is just no fun on PS3.
Crazy, I’ve been missing you on the PS3. I’ve always been on shortly after you or at least I’ve noticed I was.
Frenchy overmatched his competition at every level from highschool to high A ball. When he got to the “show” , the worst he faced were better than the best he ever faced anywhere else.
March 1st, 20113:46 pm
PT, I’ve never gotten a grasp of the baserunning in MLB… I lose at least a run per game sending all runners when I only want to send one on a base hit. Drives me crazy. I plan on actually learning how to send individual runners in MLB 11.
I don’t think I’d ever want to play another Baseball game. MLB the Show has spoiled me!
Forgot they’re trying to make that game Kinect compatible…
Hmm, not sure I’ll play it Kinect, but guess I won’t know til I put it in the tray.
March 1st, 20113:47 pm
Murph, you better since we’re going to get a little co-op going.
March 1st, 20113:48 pm
Murp,Snitker must be your 3rd base coach,lol.
If there wasn’t a better replacement for Jeff in right when he was here then him being out there is easy to defend.
south georgia braves -
my concern is binding ourselves where we can’t keep the talent we’ve brought up through our system. Like the Cards find themselves in.
Yeah, but any team would be hard-pressed to be able to hold onto all of their homegrown talent when one of those players is a superstar who apparently will command $30M per. I don’t think the Braves could do that with their current budget.
Robert- Too bad. Maybe that ice cream and those Kiss records would have made you almost human instead of the bitter, bent, warped and compulsive jerk you turned into.
March 1st, 20113:49 pm
I’m more of a sit down controller gamer. I’m not into the body controller stuff but, if there was ever a game that would be fun to play using Kinect It would be that one.
Transplant – Package received. Thanks much. Won’t need grits for the foreseeable future.
March 1st, 20113:50 pm
GT Alum and Jeff R, but I think the problem with that theory is that Francoeur has realized now for 4 or 5 years that he needs to improve is plate discipline to be a good major league hitter. He’s played under different coaches, he’s went to coaches on his own to work on this, he’s played with some pretty disciplined hitters like Chipper and it still hasn’t improved for him. His improvement now hinges on him developing this skill and he hasn’t been able to after 4 or 5 years. That’s a good indication that it’s not simply a matter of him not working and developing the skill. It seems he’s done all he can to try to develop the skill. It’s not likely a matter of needing a coach or better coaching or needing to work or try harder or needing to be more coachable. It’s more a matter of plate discipline not being something that can be coached up, to a large degree. Again, it’s like any other skill–hitting homeruns for instance. No matter how much you coach players up, they are only capable of doing what they are capable of.
Ark I’m normally on around 10:00P.M. EST to about 2:00 A.M. most nights.
Use the analog…
Sounds like you’re using the bumper buttons…
The learning curve for the baserunning took a bit but by year 3 for my RttS player, I stole 52 bases and was only caught 8 times, and mainly when I got picked off because I jumped to 2b too early.
March 1st, 20113:51 pm
Actually, I can’t remember. Who did play RF for the 15 minutes we sent Frenchy down to AAA?
Kinect Sports is pretty enjoyable…
And I agree on the Black Ops…
Could you imagine if/when Microsoft ever gets ahold of another great baseball game…
March 1st, 20113:52 pm
DAP, He was putting up 75-100 rbi. I don’t think any of our other options were any better. I don’t remember who they had but they ended up playing Church and other scrubs I think
March 1st, 20113:53 pm
Gonzalez said Julio Teheran had a minor setback 4-5 days ago with back spasm but is throwing again. Hopes to pitch him in split squad Friday
Delgado and Vizcaino were both emergency guys today and got up in the ninth to warm up only if Ascenio ran into trouble, but Gonzalez said they should pitch in Friday’s split squad game – presumably the one in Viera. (vs. Blue Jays at home)
When you say use the analog, how would I do it if say:
Runners on 1st and 2nd, hit a single towards the gap. Send all sends the runner from 2nd to home, but I want to hold the runner from 1st at second instead of going to 3rd because of where the ball is hit.
How do I do that?
March 1st, 20113:54 pm
Lew, that’s great. I hope you enjoy.
March 1st, 20113:55 pm
GT Alum, When your options are Blanco or Francouer you are going to get criticized no matter who you run out there
March 1st, 20113:56 pm
I don’t know…. don’t run?
March 1st, 20113:58 pm
Carroll or DOB,
I’ve got a beef with Fredi.
I’m not really thrilled with where Fredi is planning to hit Jason Heyward. He’s going to have a .400 OBP and that will suck to have him hitting in front of Alex Gonzalez making a ton of outs. He should be hitting at the top of the lineup where the Braves can drive him in and take advantage of his excellent and agressive baserunning ability. What’s going to happen is pitchers will see Heyward in the box and Gonzalez on deck and Heyward will barely get a sniff of a strike. He’s a patient hitter already and with pitchers working around him he’s going to have a ton of walks (and intentional walks).
Not sure if Fredi is a “veteran lover” or what, but if Bobby Cox would hit Heyward 2 or 3, don’t know why the younger, more sabermetric saavy Fredi would make this mistake, putting low OBP McLouth in a position to get so many more at bats than Heyward. Not only will pitchers take the bat out of Heyward’s hands because of the lack of protection but he’ll get fewer at bats during the season if he’s hitting sixth as opposed to second or third. Doesn’t make sense to me.
Can one of you guys ask Fredi why he would want to reduce Heyward’s opportunities to swing the bat? When healthy he is the best hitter on this team.
TRansplant – I will. You’ll probably like the BBQ sauce and Maple syrup (and the CD’s) if I can ever get to the post office to mail them.
How hot do you want the BBQ sauce? Got some beautiful red fresnoes and jalepenos today.
March 1st, 20113:59 pm
i play the show 10…its pretty awsome.
Someone asked about hitting HRs, I have no problems hitting them, not a piece of cake… but hey…i once blasted 9 off the marlins
although sometimes i have troubles hitting it into the outfield with any authority
Not having played in a few weeks, I can’t be completely certain, but off the top of my head, you change who you control on the bases w/ the face buttons (X, O, ^, )
What you would do if say you want the lead guy to go 1b to 3b or 2b to home but only advance the back guy 1 base is to hit the button to control the lead guy after the pitch is thrown and then use the right analog stick and move it to the right to keep him moving around 3b and then home
March 1st, 20114:00 pm
Chopper= Pretty simple, actually. He doesn’t want Heyward to score runs as much as he feels he will have more than ample opportunity for him to drive plenty in from the six spot with all those Dudes on in front of him.
March 1st, 20114:01 pm
Interesting, thanks PT. I’ll try it out tonight and see if that works.
Of course, I could try to read the manual, but I’d rather suffer than open a game manual.
March 1st, 20114:02 pm
Lew, not too too hot, the wife will want to give it a try and if there’s to much heat it will scare her away. BBQ sauce does not last long in our house during the warm weather. I’m looking forward to cranking up the ol’ grill on a nightly basis.
chopper I’m not really thrilled with where Fredi is planning to hit Jason Heyward. He’s going to have a .400 OBP and that will suck to have him hitting in front of Alex Gonzalez making a ton of outs.
i agree with you. its hard to mess up this lineup as long as heyward is batting somewhere 2-5. and fredi has decided NOT to do that so far. im not gonna worry about it yet, because its just spring training, but seriously, man, thats stupid.
March 1st, 20114:03 pm
Runners on 1st and 2nd, hit a single towards the gap. Send all sends the runner from 2nd to home, but I want to hold the runner from 1st at second instead of going to 3rd because of where the ball is hit.
What I do…
as soon as i know it is a hit, I send the runner from second straight to home, and hit the o button (to select the runner at 1st and then the left arrow to make him run to 3rd)
using the D-pad is way easier to run.
Actually, Blanco would’ve been better than who we used – Jason Perry, whose 17 ABs in that period were the only ML ABs he’s gotten, and who posted a .118/.118/.235 slash in those ABs and apparently isn’t even in baseball anymore.
Sorry, Robert, but gotta go with the Bobby didn’t really have any better options crowd on this one.
^^ AT ^^
Sounds exactly like my gf…
And yeah, a good BBQ sauce won’t last long around me either
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