4:54 am February 23, 2011, by David O'Brien
February 23rd, 20115:10 pm
Thanks McFann! (sorry- just got home…) Bottom line- on the list of things to criticize about the Braves, I think Mac is nowhere to be found…
McFann Ô Ô
February 23rd, 20115:11 pm
But it won’t matter by the end of this year, ’cause this year there’s not gonna be any drop off! (But a drop-of in K’s would be way cool…)
Bay Area Steve
I had the same thought, scoots. Even tried the Google Machine myself. Alas, no poker site. CB, might you provide a link? I think there’s a good chance it was that ‘nozzle…
February 23rd, 20115:12 pm
Looks like we’re going to have a new winner for number of blog posts this time around…
February 23rd, 20115:13 pm
“Bottom line- on the list of things to criticize about the Braves, I think Mac is nowhere to be found”
On the list of things to criticize about the Braves, there’s plenty of stuff way ahead of McCann
Like I said, you can pretty much bank 20/80/.280 – figure 30 doubles and hope for more , and there’s the chance for an uptick given it’s his age 27 year
Aye! And Maybe a May or 3…3 Mays, 4 Julys!
No sweat—you’re welcome!
on the list of things to criticize about the Braves, I think Mac is nowhere to be found…
I agree…but for some people…
P-Town Brave ©
Out of pocket…for a minute there I thought you meant you’ve been working for free…I was going to ask you to come up and do some work for me I almost felt bad…
And btw…I live about 3 hrs from either Wrigley, The Cell, and Busch…
I would choose going to Busch 9 times out of 10…well, besides the fact that I absolutely positively hate being in the city of Chicago…
February 23rd, 20115:14 pm
V. Jim Looks like we’re going to have a new winner for number of blog posts this time around…
And who might that be…?
Whaddya mean, “Mac who”?
February 23rd, 20115:15 pm
Hey – what are the details regarding the vesting option the Braves have on McCann’s contract?
“You did no such thing”
Really? You want to get into “nuh uh” “uh huh”? Do you truly think I’ll go down that path with a troll?
“What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?”
African or European? Aieeeeee…..
McFann, now you’ve done it. What Of It will accuse us of ganging up on him…
“If you dont consider that significant, you’re even more ignorant than you appear”
Troll, now you saw what I did with the focusing on only one stat to make your point…learn from your mistakes.
“And btw…I live about 3 hrs from either Wrigley, The Cell, and Busch”
February 23rd, 20115:16 pm
I think it has to do with winning a certain amount of awards (Silver Sluggers and such) and making a certain number of All-Star Teams from 2007-2011 (or ‘12)…
I think he’s nailed it, whatever it is.
February 23rd, 20115:17 pm
“Troll, now you saw what I did with the focusing on only one stat to make your point”
The discussion was power numbers.
Pray tell, what measure beyone rate of extra base hits would you use to figure power numbers?
what of it?
you’ve just cherry-picked my comment again. I didn’t say “misquote” as you seem to imply by saying “I quoted you. Can’t get less cherry picking than that.” Cherry-picking is when you only look at part of what is said without context as you were accusing me of in only looking at OPS when in fact I was comparing Avg. Slg. and Ops all of which went down. Further I said “I bet there was a considerable drop off” b/c I didn’t know off the top of my head, and while it might not have been “considerable,” all of those statistics dropped off to a varying degree. I’m not back-pedaling, just merely pointing out that McCann’s power has gotten worse, and that’s about the only remarkable part of his game.
February 23rd, 20115:18 pm
BAS,just put the word numbletards in and do a Google search and it should come right up.
2012 becomes club option if player fails to win specified awards 2007-2011
OK, so that’s looking good thus far.
Oh, GREAT! What have I done?
February 23rd, 20115:20 pm
Hey, McCann’s page sponsorship is up after November of this year – here’s your chance McFann
“The Rock is back.”
Personally it’s more exciting to have HHH and the Undertaker back.
February 23rd, 20115:22 pm
“You hear things,” said Dodgers outfielder Tony Gwynn Jr., who spent last season with the San Diego Padres. “We played them enough. I could see he wasn’t happy. Whatever was going on over here, he wasn’t happy at all. I remember a few times looking across the cage, and being like, ‘Come on, man. Smile! What are you doing?’ He’d throw on one for like five seconds. Then it would just disappear.
“Environment plays a big part of that. I think with Don taking over, and the staff we have here, it’s a positive environment. Especially for Matt, I think that’s a big key. You want to be in an environment where you can be successful. When there’s a lot of negativity around, it’s hard to keep coming back every day. You don’t want to fight through something that you enjoy doing.”
–Jon Paul Morosi
Apparently Tony Gwynn, Jr. hasn’t received the memo. Environment, attitude, etc… poppycock.
N8… good post at 4:54 pm.
February 23rd, 20115:24 pm
McFann – let’s just say it’s someone who was not in the top 25 on the previous blog…
February 23rd, 20115:25 pm
Yeah, because I would be calling myself PTown Brave if I lived in C/U or Decatur… Funny stuff dude!
Yeah, Mac who…must be talkin about some guy I don’t know w/ all the fat guy talk and all the he’s terrible and blah blah blah…
I don’t know nor have I ever heard of this guy they speak of…
Hell yeah – everyone knows it’s not environment or attitude – it’s grits.
Aah, pluralized numbletard. A non-numbletard mighta thought of that. No t-shirt for me. Thanks, CB.
And, VJ: yeah, unfortunately so. Robert makes a guy wish Don would show up a bit more.
Braves fan in Missouri
February 23rd, 20115:27 pm
If there was a new Ultimate Warrior wrestling would reel me back in for the first time since I was 10.
February 23rd, 20115:28 pm
It was Robert, right? ‘Cause I ain’t goin’ lookin’ for the 25. And, I should say, whether you were referring to him or not, guy’s still a jerkish nutbag.
“Here’s the facts
In 2009 thru July McCann had 39 extra base hits in 342 plate appearances – or once every 8.8 PA’s
Since then, he has had 63 extra base hits in 781 plate appearances – or one every 12.4
If you dont consider that significant, you’re even more ignorant than you appear”
Okay, so first one guy makes a wild claim that we shoot down, then he tries to save face by claiming only one stat, which we refute, then some other troll steps in and takes up the reins by claiming the above stats.
According to baseball-reference.com, McCann had the following for XBH’s (since that is NOW the standard we are going to use)
28/273 or 1 for every 9.75 PA’s in 2009 pre AS break
29/278 or 1 for every 9.59 PA’s in 2009 post AS break
46/566 or 1 for every 12.3 PA’s in 2010
Not drastic, not a “considerable drop off”, not significant.
February 23rd, 20115:29 pm
Hahaha! That would be funny…
Ah-ha…I read ya…
P-Town I don’t know nor have I ever heard of this guy they speak of…
Oh, yeah, don’t know if I have, either…or maybe it’s that guy who used to play for the Cardinals…
February 23rd, 20115:31 pm
Maybe Trips, but Taker has been done for quite awhile now…
He’s wrestled on “supposedly” his show Smackdown about once every couple months for the last two years and has had to be carried through every single match he’s been in for the past 3-4…
Hope Trips is healthy because he’ll have to do the same come Mania…
I guess I just still don’t understand the hype over a guy that has spent so much time in the ring the last handful of years when he should have been on the shelf or retired…Sting would be in this same category…
I am much rather going to enjoy guys that will steal the show at Mania…Edge v Del Rio…Money in the Bank if Morrison is in it…even Punk v Orton as Punk has just been awesome lately in the ring….
Sadly Trips v Taker is the one I am least looking forward to, and thats even if there’s a Divas match, as we already know the outcome months out and I’m just not interested in another Taker match where he gimps around the ring and takes the spotlight away from more deserving individuals at this point…
February 23rd, 20115:33 pm
Braves Fan in MO-
Obviously you must have watched as a child…(just my guess)
While Warrior has slightly above average mic skills and the promos were good, he was awful in the ring…
Reminded me of a modern day Bautista…got guys hurt, worked stiff, and was a complete *ss to be anywhere near…
I mean I understand thats your opinion, but there are plenty of guys that I could point to now that are worth following.
February 23rd, 20115:34 pm
McCann April-July 2009 – 84 hits, 142 bases,48 walks in 304 at bats and 361 plate appearances – .366 OBP .467 SLG 833OPS
McCann since August 2009 – 174 hits, 293 bases, 100 walks, 654 at bats, 771 plate appearances – .355 OBP, .448 SLG 803OPS
extra base hit rates posted previously
ramblingman, if you’re positing some other measure of power than either of these ………..
February 23rd, 20115:35 pm
N8, there’s no guarantee that Wainwright develops into the pitcher he is now had he stayed in the Braves organization. He certainly didn’t look like he was going to be a staff ace based on his seasons in the low minors.
I don’t see how people can look back on that trade and say the Braves would have had a better chance to compete in future seasons if it didn’t happen. Like I said earlier, you can’t simply take Wainwright’s stats from the Cardinals and say “this is what he would have done in Atlanta.”
Too many variables and unknowns to do that. He might have been called up in a few years and gone 30-0, or he might have gone 2-16. We’ll never know.
February 23rd, 20115:39 pm
Braves fan in Missouri – If you want to feel like you are 10 again watch TNA for an hour (about all I can stand now-a-days) that’ll bring you back to the good ole days with Flair, Hogan, etc. They got massive young talent that I love to see though. Can’t wait for Braves baseball to start so I can have something else to watch though.
February 23rd, 20115:40 pm
Ramblingman – do the calculation starting in August – the dropoff has been since August 2009 – after he had a hot July
you’ll get the exact numbers I did
going from one extra base hit every 8.8 PA’s to one every 12.4 is significant
How significant? Consider – Mark McGwire hit a HR once every 13.1 plate appearances in his career – if he’d hit one 9.4 at bats (13.1/9/4 is the same ratio as 12.4/8.8) then he woulda had 815 home runs
I’d call that significant
February 23rd, 20115:43 pm
The difference between one HR every 9.6 PA’s and one every 12.3 – apply that multiplier to Chipper’s Jones HR totals and he’d be sitting at 558 instead of 436
That rate difference is HUGE
February 23rd, 20115:44 pm
you are a stupid fu@king @unt, and have not addressed the fact that all of the numbers went down and his power numbers have been in decline from the time stated. And if we want to cherry-pick the XBH stat you’ve just thrown out for power, it’s a 21% decline which makes a very strong case the drop off has been considerable
McCann lead the bigs in errors for catchers, but you make a good case with the stats for pick-offs, but I’m not familiar with them.
“Bottom line- on the list of things to criticize about the Braves, I think Mac is nowhere to be found”</i"
I am with you on that one CAB…the Braves have a lot of questions before we get to the starting catcher position
February 23rd, 20115:45 pm
My sarcasm did not translate well. I have been informed that wresting is more of a show now. When I watched in the late 80’s early 90’s it was big dumb guys beating on each other. Which was entertaining to a 10 year old.
February 23rd, 20115:46 pm
February 23rd, 20115:47 pm
The only thing to consider with McCann in my opinion is that he’s played 6 seasons (5 full and one half) and is a 5 time All Star and a 4 time Silver Slugger and came in 21st in MVP voting this year. We have one of the hardest things to find in the majors, a left hand power hitting catcher that calls a decent game and is better than most defensively.
February 23rd, 20115:48 pm
Does anyone think with the Braves improved offense that KK could be a 5th starter and have greater value at the trade deadline?
February 23rd, 20115:49 pm
what of it you make a good case with the stats for pick-offs, but I’m not familiar with them.
February 23rd, 20115:50 pm
Amen to that.
February 23rd, 20115:51 pm
February 23rd, 20115:52 pm
February 23rd, 20115:53 pm
P-Town Brave ©
The possible card for this year’s Mania looks good.
* Miz/Cena (with Rock somehow influenced in it)
* Edge/Del Rio
* Punk/Orton (big fan of both)
* MITB (Morrison likely to win it if in it)
* Daniel Bryan/Sheamus (for US Title)
* King/Cole (this will be good to see Cole get his)
* Rey Mysterio/Cody Rhodes (that feud has been building up)
That’s not the official card, but if that becomes it, I am definitely excited for it.
February 23rd, 20115:54 pm
True….and its entertaining…problem is right now, WWE is back catering to the 10 yr old and insulting our intelligence with some of the storylines…BUT its started to turn a bit and has been good since the turn of the year, especially SmackDown…
Very true…TNA is what I go to if I want comic relief…
Best thing I saw was when I was bored at work one day and hadnt seen any TNA in close to a year, and watched their Dec/Jan ppv, cant remember which…
Anyways Kurt Angle goes to blade and instead of panning the camera and then going back to show him bleeding, the idiotic camera guy actually zooms in on him with the blade in his hand and preceeds to follow the entire segment of him taking the blade and using it…
Post some facts and supply some context – and ramblingman disappears
I am not surprised.
Proof that sometimes the best way to treat a fool is to bitchslap them
February 23rd, 20115:57 pm
I think that “it’s only February” thing should be attached to all of the Schafer hype
I’m a McCannic!!
NC State Nate
Another great blog DOB. Honestly I had to consider whether I would want the Braves to trade Hudson to the Yanks for anything. And I just don’t think you could get back what you would loose at this point. He is an anchor to this team and trading him would seem like waving the white flag before the battle has even started, even if you did get some killer prospects.
Great non-move by Frank Wren.
February 23rd, 20115:59 pm
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February 23rd, 20116:01 pm
I just bought tickets for the opening series in DC. Can’t wait!
Meh…its a decent card I guess…needs better writing for better buildup…
I’m real interesting in Rey v Cody though and forgot to mention that…
And I agree, Ive been waiting for someone to put their foot in Cole’s face…
MITB is looking weak as they havent built up enough wrestlers besides JoMo and Drew…who I would like to see be the guys to fight it out…
I personally wish the MITB winner would cash in at Mania for the belt but that’ll probably never happen because they want Mania to stay strictly by the prebuild…
Anyways, my idea for that could be either Christian wins MITB and takes the title from Del Rio when he beats Edge or Morrison wins and even though Miz retains miraculously v Cena and then starts into a big Mania celebration, Morrison comes out and takes the belt after cashing in…
Would probably make for one of the biggest RAW’s in quite some time…
Just a thought…
Gotta run…peace out guys!
February 23rd, 20116:03 pm
I have copyrighted the word:
Feel free to use it at will
Some folks would rather get an out in a meaningless situation and lose the best offensive catcher for 15 games on the DL. Ab
he is just as likely or even more so to get hurt running around out front and diving back into the runner
February 23rd, 20116:05 pm
“Get Out The WAYYY!!! (Boom!) Pretty Boy Coming Through! Me And My Crew! We Swaggin In The Room!”
Whats Up All…?
February 23rd, 20116:08 pm
Word On The Streets Was That Brian Cashman has talked to Wren about either Lowe or Huddy…Which I say no chance in hell we get rid of either 2…but I’m suprised that he didn’t ask about KK
Ditto for the Cardinals…I think this is our chance to Hustle KK to the cards for a prospect or 2?
February 23rd, 20116:10 pm
Is your word on the street DOB?
“I don’t see how people can look back on that trade and say the Braves would have had a better chance to compete in future seasons if it didn’t happen”
The Braves themselves felt Wainwright’s upside was tremendous. That was why we initially refused to include him in the trade. It was only when St. Louis pushed, saying they wouldn’t do the deal without him, that we agreed. Marrero wasn’t even in the deal prior to that. He was the throw-in for our including Wainwright. At that point, we decided there wasn’t enough difference between Wainwright and the arms I mentioned earlier to haggle. That was a mistake.
To a larger point, you say he didn’t look like a potential staff ace when he was in the low minors and that makes me wonder if you’re confusing him for somebody else. At 18 years old, he had an ERA of 2.35. His career ERA as a Braves minor leaguer was 3.35. He was coming off of a year at AA where his strikeouts to walks were 128 to 37 and his WHIP was around 1.13 while being one of the youngest players in the league.
As for your question of wondering why people assume he’d be as good a pitcher for us as he has been for the Cardinals, he’s the same kid with the same arm and the same pitching instincts/makeup. We could have used him. I still hold out hope that one day in the future, he pitches for us. He’s great, he grew up a Braves fan and he wanted to be here. We blew it.
February 23rd, 20116:12 pm
I think this is our chance to Hustle KK to the cards for a prospect or 2?
I really don’t see that happening. The Cardinals aren’t stupid.
“You can’t have one of our aces, but can I interest you in a slightly used, bottom-of-the-rotation pitcher?”
February 23rd, 20116:13 pm
Shaun very solid and true post @ 2:54 pm regarding Wainwright,DeRosa and Dte. Really nailed it
February 23rd, 20116:17 pm
Thanks for the new blog, DOB. It’s always enjoyable to read about Brian.
February 23rd, 20116:18 pm
That Word on the street came from listening to the Buck and Kinkade Show on 680AM The Fan earlier today…
They are also tired of the overhype directed to Jordan Schafer…For a Guy who has done very litte his Hype rivals J-Hey a year ago
So Matt Chernoff and myself are not the only one’s who are tired of the hype
February 23rd, 20116:19 pm
The Braves themselves felt Wainwright’s upside was tremendous Gone
many did, some no longer were as sure. He had started to lose a bit of his shine and was not as well thought of as the first few years and that can be seen in his 2004 BA ratings. Let’s not make it seem completely one sided cause it was not.
The DOB spin master is at it again. Nothing but glowing reports out of happy land.
Reality it is not. This two thousand – eleven Braves edition has extreme flaws. As in no up the middle defense which is critical to the success of any team. Chipper is at best playing out the last season of his career. Freeman’s a rookie. McLouth is coming off the most disastrous season of his life. Kimbrel and Venters are incredibly talented, but Billy Wagner they are not, and their bench is fragmented due to the trade of Omar Infante.
However, the biggest fallout is the loss of Bobby Cox. Although Fredi Gonzalez has received glowing reviews he cannot replace a living legend. Not to mention the miracle that was the 2010 season, because in no way can expect to see another twenty-five last at bat wins.
February 23rd, 20116:20 pm
You aren’t the only ones, I think we are all pulling for the guy and if he proves he can do what everyone says he can then that’s great and we’ve got ourselves a young bada$$ outfield for the future. But can we please make the kid FINALLY show us he can do it before we crown him as the next J-Hey?
February 23rd, 20116:23 pm
Thanks,Bat. I said about as much in my posts as he did in his.
They are also tired of the overhype directed to Jordan Schafer…For a Guy who has done very litte his Hype rivals J-Hey a year ago
Nolie, the Braves’ primary concern at the time was that Wainwright was not done growing and that it would mess up his (otherwise pristine) mechanics.
You aren’t the only ones, I think we are all pulling for the guy and if he proves he can do what everyone says he can then that’s great and we’ve got ourselves a young really impressive outfield for the future. But can we please make the kid FINALLY show us he can do it before we crown him as the next J-Hey?
February 23rd, 20116:24 pm
I agree, This team Overall Defensively Sucks for a Playoff caliber team, But we have learned to deal with it for the last 5 years, what else is new…?
February 23rd, 20116:25 pm
Had to edit my post so it didn’t have to go to moderation, DOB if you’re reading this you can just delete it…
Proof that sometimes the best way to treat a fool is to bitchslap them Robert
Thanx, I’ll remember that on your next Cox post.
February 23rd, 20116:26 pm
Maybe I exaggerated a little, but come on…I’m tired of the hype as if he is a potential Super-Star/Can’t miss type of prospect…
February 23rd, 20116:27 pm
@Nolie LOL on that 6:25 Post…
I just googled a couple of stories from when the trade went down. Here was Shanks’ take at Scout.com:
“The wildcard here is not Wainwright, but Drew. He is signed for only one more season, before his agent, Scott Boras, starts asking for a billion dollars a season. If Drew was signed to a longer contract, it might be easier to accept the possibility of the trade being one-sided should Wainwright blossom into the starter some predict. But if he leaves after one season, and then Wainwright becomes a top starter in the league, this deal will be difficult to explain and could be placed in the Brett Butler/Len Barker category.”
And here is TheBaseballOpinion:
“The supposed prize of the trade though is phenom Adam Wainwright. The most heralded pitcher in the Braves system, this 22 year old has a good fastball, curve and changeup. He also has good size (6-6, although reports now say 6-9) and supposedly smart as well. Many Braves fans are already crying and saying that John has stuck a dagger in their hearts. Yet the Dodgers were apparently moving in on Drew as well and so Schuerholz must have had to move the bid up. ”
Later, they conclude:
“This trade may break somewhat even if Marquis doesn’t pan out, Adam becomes just a 2-3 starter as some scouts are predicting now, and Drew signs long term and stays healthy (get the notion that some point is trying to be conveyed here). Otherwise, the Braves got marginally robbed!”
I’m not trying to cherry pick here. These were just the first two results I googled. I think everyone who evaluated the deal and knew what they were talking about drew the same conclusions. The deal hinged on two factors, Drew’s willingness to re-sign and Wainwright’s performance. Unfortunately, both went against us.
February 23rd, 20116:28 pm
Not To Mention Schafer is getting all the hype and we all know he’s gonna start the season in AAA Gwinnett…
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