“After the first week of the season rotations get jumbled and matchups become essentially random.”
This is why I always ignore that nonsense about a pitcher’s ceiling as a #3 or whatever. It’s a disingenuous comment yet scouting reports are chock full of them.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that there wouldn’t be a decrease in performance as a result of trading Lowe. There certainty would be because there’s no one as capable as Lowe available right now. But by trading Lowe the Braves would gain financial flexibility for this year and next year.
Ease, I really don’t care about basketball, I just thought the Hawks made a bad move.
Metsfanforlife, good for you? First spring training game of the year and you are already talking about winning. It’s all good, your team will be in the cellar by August.
Lowe and KK?? I am comparing Millwood and Lowe. Stats are close comparing NL and AL. Not a big drop off I bet if they swapped situations.
You want to keep going in circles? I showed you numbers to prove that Millwood was a lot closer to KK last year than Lowe (ERA+). So your suggestion of comparing salaries is silly because as I mentioned, we might as well trade Lowe and pitch KK in the 5th spot (instead of trading him) if our standards/expectations are low enough to accommodate Millwood for 4 Mil.
I am done.
The trade for Hinrich isn’t bad but it isn’t great either. You trade an aging and increasingly ineffective Bibby for an okay point guard and a tall guy.
Snootboogie–I see your point now about Lowe/KK. I got lost there. I just think too much has happened between the Braves and KK for him to ever pitch for the Braves again. But Im with ya now.
Ease, nah. I don’t take much personally. I actually deserved that one, but I want the Hawks to bring a title to Atlanta, too, even though I don’t care about basketball.
I like the Hawks core of Horford, JJ and Smoove, but I am not in love with Drew or Sund…And until we draft better, this will never be title town for the Hawks. I honestly believe the Thrashers have a better chance to win a title before the Hawks.
P-Town trying to bring the stupid Blackhawks in the the discussion…You should be routing for the Thrashers now anyway since we now have have your title team…
I don’t think you want to call anybody sissy @ss with your pansy Mets team but especially not the Braves. Heyward, Freeman, Chipper, Hinske, Uggla, BMac, just to name a few. The Braves got some big dudes on their team and I don’t think you’d want to get into a bench clearing brawl with them. Pretty much a football team with a lot of guys around 250. If anybody is getting their @sses beat it will be whoever the Braves are playing.
You guys are just wasting your time talking about the Braves. We will finally have a healthy team this year; if it stays that way the Braves will be cellar dwellers this year. By the way, how are Larry’s knees?
Now that the Cardinals need a pitcher could you see them interested in K.K.?Latest I heard on the Cardinals is they are looking at Joey Blanton form the Phillies…..
Yes, we are on a braves blog wasting our time talking about the braves…Well I consider that I have “wasted” enough time that it is now time to hit the road. Have a good Thursday ya’ll!
Don’t know if you caught the Grinderman show at Variety last year. A very cool follow-up meriting your attention was posted on the Creative Loafing website after that, on the food page of all places. Seems Nick and the band accepted a post-show invite to Holeman & Finch from the chef and afterward made clear that “It’s the best food we’ve had in America.” (I love it too.) The real treat is that the Atlanta gig (and H&F dinner) made it into a Grinderman tour diary on Spin.com. Not only a good read for how wearing a tour can be (and the emphasis on finding good food on any tour) but also for a good Graceland story.
Here’s the link to the Creative Loafing article (which contains a link to the Spin.com article):
Man.I don’t know WHAT happened. SOME ALF took over my computer or something! Page 13 started fast scrolling and there was nothing I could do to stop it. Had no control over my mouse at all…..it wouldn’t MOVE. Finally had to unplug the blasted thing!
Is it close to the full moon today or something? All this back and forth over what? Hypothetical moves that will never happen for so many reasons? God God.
When Nathan at 1:51 makes more sense in one post than everyone else all damned day long, it can’t be too long before the freaking unicorns show up.
f we made that same deal right now of Teheran for let’s say Nick Swisher, people here would lose their damn minds. And they’d be right to do so. That’s the relative 2011 equivalent of that deal.
I think you are ignoring the fact that Wainwright’s stoch took a noticeable hit in 2004, dropping 20 positions lower as a prospect. That indicates that both the Braves AND other evaluators were thinking that he might not be as good as originally anticipated.
I agree with most of what you are saying but it was not just the Braves who misjudged his potential. I do not relate at to Teheran at this time cause his stock is still very high, much higher than WW’s ever got even at it’s highest.
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Big Nick
February 24th, 2011
2:47 pm
Lowe and KK?? I am comparing Millwood and Lowe. Stats are close comparing NL and AL. Not a big drop off I bet if they swapped situations.
Gone Viral
February 24th, 2011
2:47 pm
“After the first week of the season rotations get jumbled and matchups become essentially random.”
This is why I always ignore that nonsense about a pitcher’s ceiling as a #3 or whatever. It’s a disingenuous comment yet scouting reports are chock full of them.
Snotboogie
February 24th, 2011
2:48 pm
Sorry Ease. I found his attack on the windmills to be tasteless and heinous.Thought I’d do my part for renewable energy and all that.
Trey
February 24th, 2011
2:48 pm
Ease, yeah I heard it wrong when they were talking about the trade. It was a five player trade.
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
2:48 pm
I mean, Bibby, Crawford, Evans, and a 1st = 5? I just don’t get that math…
Gone Viral
February 24th, 2011
2:48 pm
“Somebody would actually want Nick Swisher on this team and would trade a by-gawd pitcher to get him?”
It’s a theoretical trade offered as a counter to another theoretical trade. At $9 million, nobody wants Nick Swisher.
Bobby Hill
February 24th, 2011
2:49 pm
I don’t think anyone is arguing that there wouldn’t be a decrease in performance as a result of trading Lowe. There certainty would be because there’s no one as capable as Lowe available right now. But by trading Lowe the Braves would gain financial flexibility for this year and next year.
Trey
February 24th, 2011
2:49 pm
Ease, I know, I deserve that one. It was three for two, so a five player trade.
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
2:50 pm
Attacking windmills? Whose doing the Don Quixote impression?
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
2:51 pm
Trey – even still, it would be a six player trade…Although I don’t like losing Crawford…
Metsfanforlife
February 24th, 2011
2:51 pm
We are gona kick the sissy Braves @ss saturday!!!!!
jeffrey d
February 24th, 2011
2:52 pm
Man, how did Millwood get thrown into the debate? It took my perfectly logical and beautiful viewpoint and made it crazy.
monty
February 24th, 2011
2:52 pm
Three of a kind, beats two pair!
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
2:52 pm
Heck i don’t even know if it was a good trade or not…DOB really likes this new fella, but I suspect that is because he was a Jayhawk back in the day…
DAP
February 24th, 2011
2:52 pm
scoots, youre crazy, man. swisher is good. no place for him on the braves, but he is a very good offensive player.
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
2:53 pm
Metsfanforlife with a small joke.
Trey
February 24th, 2011
2:53 pm
Ease, I really don’t care about basketball, I just thought the Hawks made a bad move.
Metsfanforlife, good for you? First spring training game of the year and you are already talking about winning. It’s all good, your team will be in the cellar by August.
Snotboogie
February 24th, 2011
2:54 pm
Lowe and KK?? I am comparing Millwood and Lowe. Stats are close comparing NL and AL. Not a big drop off I bet if they swapped situations.
You want to keep going in circles? I showed you numbers to prove that Millwood was a lot closer to KK last year than Lowe (ERA+). So your suggestion of comparing salaries is silly because as I mentioned, we might as well trade Lowe and pitch KK in the 5th spot (instead of trading him) if our standards/expectations are low enough to accommodate Millwood for 4 Mil.
I am done.
Trey
February 24th, 2011
2:54 pm
Ease, well I thought they did because the way the news anchor and other folks made it sound, so it sounded bad.
Metsfanforlife
February 24th, 2011
2:55 pm
Our year baby!!!!!
jeffrey d
February 24th, 2011
2:56 pm
The trade for Hinrich isn’t bad but it isn’t great either. You trade an aging and increasingly ineffective Bibby for an okay point guard and a tall guy.
GTSteve
February 24th, 2011
2:58 pm
Thanks for the tip Mets fan, I am calling my Bookie now
Trey
February 24th, 2011
2:58 pm
Mets, youze guys say that every year.
Big Nick
February 24th, 2011
2:59 pm
Snootboogie–I see your point now about Lowe/KK. I got lost there. I just think too much has happened between the Braves and KK for him to ever pitch for the Braves again. But Im with ya now.
Venice Jim
February 24th, 2011
3:00 pm
perfectly logical and beautiful viewpoint
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
3:01 pm
Trey, not much of a basketball fan either, just try to follow the home team. Not really trying to give you grief, more like improving my blog count
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
3:02 pm
Our year baby!!!!!
Rollins already claimed that for the Phils…
Trey
February 24th, 2011
3:02 pm
Ease, nah. I don’t take much personally. I actually deserved that one, but I want the Hawks to bring a title to Atlanta, too, even though I don’t care about basketball.
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
3:03 pm
Perfectly logical? Wrong blog VJ…
N8
February 24th, 2011
3:03 pm
“Our year baby!!!!!” Metsfanforlife
That’s cool. I must have missed the Chinese calendar referencing 2011 as the “Year of the douche”.
Congrats on your “victory” though.
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
3:05 pm
I like the Hawks core of Horford, JJ and Smoove, but I am not in love with Drew or Sund…And until we draft better, this will never be title town for the Hawks. I honestly believe the Thrashers have a better chance to win a title before the Hawks.
Nick
February 24th, 2011
3:06 pm
Minor, Beachy, and KK for Carpenter.
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
3:07 pm
Of course the Braves will win a title before both those organizations…highly confidant of that!
Norcross
February 24th, 2011
3:07 pm
Anybody remember Jared Wright? Ha.
jeffrey d
February 24th, 2011
3:08 pm
Jaret Wright
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
3:09 pm
And I know this is like saying Candyman three times in the mirror, but where has Ander’s been hiding?
P-Town Brave ©
February 24th, 2011
3:09 pm
Trey-
And which Hawks would those be?
Murph
February 24th, 2011
3:09 pm
Mets fans are funny
P-Town Brave ©
February 24th, 2011
3:09 pm
Ease-
Nah, that only works with Robert
Norcross
February 24th, 2011
3:10 pm
Yes, you’re right, jeffrey d. My b. Obviously I don’t remeber him myself.
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
3:11 pm
P-Town trying to bring the stupid Blackhawks in the the discussion…You should be routing for the Thrashers now anyway since we now have have your title team…
cabravesfan
February 24th, 2011
3:11 pm
Minor, Beachy, and KK for Carpenter.
If I’m the Cards, I’m all over that!
N8
February 24th, 2011
3:11 pm
“Anybody remember Jared Wright? Ha.”
No. But I remember Jaret Wright. Are they related?
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
3:11 pm
Wright was a one hit wonder here in Atlanta…easy to forget…
Venice Jim
February 24th, 2011
3:12 pm
Ease – just enjoying someone else’s quote – after giving him a hard time, I just wanted to let him know I appreciated his irony…
jeffrey d
February 24th, 2011
3:12 pm
Don’t feed him…that’s what he wants
BravePack
February 24th, 2011
3:13 pm
Metsfanforlife
I don’t think you want to call anybody sissy @ss with your pansy Mets team but especially not the Braves. Heyward, Freeman, Chipper, Hinske, Uggla, BMac, just to name a few. The Braves got some big dudes on their team and I don’t think you’d want to get into a bench clearing brawl with them. Pretty much a football team with a lot of guys around 250. If anybody is getting their @sses beat it will be whoever the Braves are playing.
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
3:13 pm
If I’m the Cards, I’m all over that!
But it would still create more cap space for the King…especially if they only take on half of KK’s salary…
jeffrey d
February 24th, 2011
3:13 pm
VJ – well I still believe it to be logical
FEAR
February 24th, 2011
3:14 pm
ok Frank make a call and get Rasmus! HAHAHA. Sup dudes?
cricket
February 24th, 2011
3:15 pm
Lowe and Nate for Wainwright and Albert’s expiring contract.
Also not sure why we needed Uggla since getting rid of Bobby gives us 10 games advantage anyway..
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
3:15 pm
jeffrey, it remains to be seen whether or not you are logical…
Metsfanforlife
February 24th, 2011
3:15 pm
You guys are just wasting your time talking about the Braves. We will finally have a healthy team this year; if it stays that way the Braves will be cellar dwellers this year. By the way, how are Larry’s knees?
cabravesfan
February 24th, 2011
3:16 pm
Ease-
Yeah, but it would kill any chance they had this season…
Trey
February 24th, 2011
3:17 pm
jeffrey, you and others always say “don’t feed them”, but everyone still does.
Ward
February 24th, 2011
3:17 pm
Now that the Cardinals need a pitcher could you see them interested in K.K.?Latest I heard on the Cardinals is they are looking at Joey Blanton form the Phillies…..
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
3:17 pm
Yes, we are on a braves blog wasting our time talking about the braves…Well I consider that I have “wasted” enough time that it is now time to hit the road. Have a good Thursday ya’ll!
David O'Brien
February 24th, 2011
3:18 pm
NEW BLOGGAGE
FEAR
February 24th, 2011
3:19 pm
Hey mets fan dont worry about lerry’s knees how about you worry about the Feds
Ease® in Woodstock
February 24th, 2011
3:19 pm
cab, you have not heard? Their season is already killed…(and I am speaking seriously, media is all over it…)
Ward
February 24th, 2011
3:19 pm
Smart signing Uggla,because now the Braves can play some baseball,and not worry about contract signings as a distraction…..
Ward
February 24th, 2011
3:20 pm
Murph : How’s it going buddy…… Wasn’t trying to offened you yestersday……
Ward
February 24th, 2011
3:22 pm
Also it’s nice to have solid players in our system…..At least we don’t have to worry too much like the Mets right now….
Ghost of Gil Garrido
February 24th, 2011
3:24 pm
DOB: Nice Nick Cave shout-out.
Don’t know if you caught the Grinderman show at Variety last year. A very cool follow-up meriting your attention was posted on the Creative Loafing website after that, on the food page of all places. Seems Nick and the band accepted a post-show invite to Holeman & Finch from the chef and afterward made clear that “It’s the best food we’ve had in America.” (I love it too.) The real treat is that the Atlanta gig (and H&F dinner) made it into a Grinderman tour diary on Spin.com. Not only a good read for how wearing a tour can be (and the emphasis on finding good food on any tour) but also for a good Graceland story.
Here’s the link to the Creative Loafing article (which contains a link to the Spin.com article):
http://clatl.com/omnivore/archives/2010/12/28/nick-cave-calls-holeman-and-finch-the-best-food-in-america-and-i-was-there
CraZyTRaDeMaN
February 24th, 2011
3:25 pm
Larrys knees seem good how about Beltrans knees and Reyas’s VaJJ?
P-Town Brave ©
February 24th, 2011
3:31 pm
Ease-
C’mon now…
You don’t have Toews or Kane…
BOOM!
Just Pat
February 24th, 2011
3:41 pm
Man.I don’t know WHAT happened. SOME ALF took over my computer or something! Page 13 started fast scrolling and there was nothing I could do to stop it. Had no control over my mouse at all…..it wouldn’t MOVE. Finally had to unplug the blasted thing!
Lew
February 24th, 2011
3:49 pm
Is it close to the full moon today or something? All this back and forth over what? Hypothetical moves that will never happen for so many reasons? God God.
When Nathan at 1:51 makes more sense in one post than everyone else all damned day long, it can’t be too long before the freaking unicorns show up.
Lew
February 24th, 2011
3:50 pm
Good God – Don’t want to be accused of going all religious or anything.
nolie
February 24th, 2011
5:52 pm
f we made that same deal right now of Teheran for let’s say Nick Swisher, people here would lose their damn minds. And they’d be right to do so. That’s the relative 2011 equivalent of that deal.
I think you are ignoring the fact that Wainwright’s stoch took a noticeable hit in 2004, dropping 20 positions lower as a prospect. That indicates that both the Braves AND other evaluators were thinking that he might not be as good as originally anticipated.
I agree with most of what you are saying but it was not just the Braves who misjudged his potential. I do not relate at to Teheran at this time cause his stock is still very high, much higher than WW’s ever got even at it’s highest.
nolie
February 24th, 2011
6:33 pm
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BRAVO MAN
February 28th, 2011
1:49 am
Atlanta…Imagine if we could buy alcohol on Sunday
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