Gonzalez: Braves not looking to trade starting pitcher

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. — An elbow injury for St. Louis ace Adam Wainwright and rumored Yankees trade interest in Tim Hudson led some Braves fans to wonder if the team might dangle Derek Lowe or another established starter on the trade market.

Manager Fredi Gonzalez made it clear that’s not in the plans  five weeks from opening day.

“[Are the Braves] looking at trading somebody? Oh, no, no, no,” Gonzalez said. “I think this is where you build your team from. Your strength is your starting pitching. No, I don’t anticipate us moving any of those guys.”

An Internet blog report said the Yankees recently called the Braves with interest in Hudson, but the Braves told them he wasn’t available.

Lowe has two years and $30 million left on his contract, but the Braves aren’t interested in blowing a hole in their strong rotation and filling it with a rookie or someone else from their organization. They already have two rookies – Mike Minor and Brandon Beachy – and veteran Rodrigo Lopez competing for the fifth rotation spot.

Bilingual manager a plus for some

Gonzalez was born in Cuba and raised in Miami, and the first-year Braves manager’s bilingualism is viewed as a plus by some Latin players.

“It’s very good,” said Braves shortstop Alex Gonzalez, who has known Fredi since he was his minor league manager in the late 1990s in the Florida Marlins organization.

“Maybe some guys who come to the team from the minor leagues don’t understand a lot of English,” said Alex Gonzalez, who is Venezuelan. “They can come up to him to ask about something after a meeting, if they couldn’t understand something that was said.

“It’s easier for us. It’s very good for us – for me, too.”

94 comments Add your comment

Freeman Says Hey

February 23rd, 2011
4:14 pm

DOB you are a blog posting machine!!!!

ARoell

February 23rd, 2011
4:17 pm

No doubt DOB, keep up the good work!

GovClintonTyree

February 23rd, 2011
4:23 pm

Five “nos”. I think Fredi would rather give up a gonad than Hudson. And I think he’s right.

Has it ever occurred to anyone how sinker-heavy our pitching staff is? Hudson, Jurrjens, Lowe, Venters, Moylan all throw the sinker as their primary pitch. As did Roger McDowell, our pitching coach.

Good way to get outs, keep the ball in the ballpark, and easy on the arm. Of course, the FIP, xERA and BABIP guys don’t understand it.

DHD

February 23rd, 2011
4:25 pm

The Yankees haven’t bought enough players this year?

ncsu

February 23rd, 2011
4:26 pm

I dont think we should take Freddi’s comments about not trading a pitcher too seriously. He wouldnt tip the hat if it were Wren’s plans to at least explore some deals. Personally it is a tough decision and Derek Lowe is somewhat of a keystone in the rotation. He isnt great, but the man eats innings and keeps you in ballgames most of the time.

I still think Wren should see what’s available… I bet the Cardinals will reach desperation mode pretty soon. If you could ship Mclouth in the trade and bring Rasmus in return I think you HAVE to think about it. Maybe some position prospects from the Cards. Anyone know if they have any good up and comer infielders that do not play first or second base?

Turn the Cards loss into our gain if it comes down to it Wren.

Frank's Wren

February 23rd, 2011
4:28 pm

“I think this is where you build your team from. Your strength is your starting pitching. No, I don’t anticipate us moving any of those guys.” (Except Kawakami.)

Skid

February 23rd, 2011
4:30 pm

The cards are not trading Rasmus for Derek Lowe and Nate McLouth.

c. tampa ironworse

February 23rd, 2011
4:33 pm

Honestly…I kinda like where the Braves are player wise. What would we trade for? If we could get rid of McLouth in a trade and really score with a big time CF and maybe get prospects…maybe?

Papadawg

February 23rd, 2011
4:33 pm

The Yankees don’t have enough to give for Hudson. Go away Yanks

kudzu

February 23rd, 2011
4:36 pm

Give any team Kawakami – for bucket of balls, get him off the payroll…

c. tampa ironworse

February 23rd, 2011
4:40 pm

Yea! Trade Ketchup Kawakami and dump his $

GT Alum

February 23rd, 2011
4:45 pm

Yeah, I was going to say, there should be an addendum there …except Kawakami. Our maybe phrase it as we don’t intend to trade anyone who figures into this year’s rotation or into our future plans.

JoeBravesFan

February 23rd, 2011
4:54 pm

I have a feeling (and hope) that by the end of spring training, the Yankees are going to be calling asking about KK.

Bob Horner had a sweet compact swing

February 23rd, 2011
4:54 pm

Let’s see how McClouth does in spring training before we start crapping on him….okay..??

JoeBravesFan

February 23rd, 2011
4:56 pm

Oh, and I meant to say thank you to DOB for all of the awesome blogs! You make me feel like I’m there, man!

stew

February 23rd, 2011
5:01 pm

Lowe to Yanks or St Lou in a heartbeat. I’d do it. Yeah, he had the great month last year. I’m for Huddy, Tommy, JJ, Minor, and Beachy with Julio, Randall, and Arodys in the wings. Let the team with the deep pockets pay Lowe. While we’re at it, dump KK and we’ll have salary relief of close to 22 million to spend on third base (when Chip retires) and centerfield. Eventually, hitters will catch up to Lowe’s slider just the way they pummeled his sinker. I bet Lowe can’t break 86 mph with his fast ball. There’s really only one pitcher that could get away with type of heat and he was the best pitcher in Atlanta history (Maddog).

JoeBravesFan

February 23rd, 2011
5:05 pm

stew: I think Prado is in line to take over for Chipper, but you’re right about salary relief. We could use that money for a power hitting outfielder or a more reliable centerfielder.

Billy Jack's Barbecue & Shrimp Co

February 23rd, 2011
5:17 pm

If I had a dollar for every blog DOB has posted this week, then I could afford both a six pack and seat in the bleachers…..

ATL FAN

February 23rd, 2011
5:18 pm

If anyone comes with any type of offer for Lowe, TAKE IT!! Chipper’s, Uggla’s, Lowe’s, and Kawakami’s contract all have us cash strapped, and 3 of 4 are failures. If Chipper doesn’t retire and if Kawakami isn’t traded, trade Lowe while his value is still high, as he won’t keep up the pace from last season. He isn’t getting any younger…

WV Braves Fan

February 23rd, 2011
5:18 pm

Mercy, David, you started posting reports about 5:00 this morning. Are you trying to outwork Martin Prado? Thanks for all the good information.

BravesFaninChi

February 23rd, 2011
5:20 pm

Keep Julio in AAA for most of the season, call him up in Sept. Don’t rush the prodigy, kid’s only 19! Unless they can can leverage the Cards to give up more than they should for a pitcher, keep all the arms you can. This team’s strength is clearly pitching, one or two more offensive upgrades and this team will contend.

Billy Jack's Barbecue & Shrimp Co

February 23rd, 2011
5:24 pm

BravesFanINCHi, we will contend regardless of making any additional moves….

BravesFaninChi

February 23rd, 2011
5:27 pm

ATL Fan- Cash strapped? This their lowest opening day payroll in years. Also, the only contract you can call a straight up waste is that piece of garbage Kawakami. Chipper’s been the face of the franchise for over a decade, Lowe is overpaid but you can’t ignore the innings pitched and W’s he’s racked up for this team, and how you can crap on Uggla’s contract before he’s even seen a pitch in a Braves uniform? What were the alternatives? Overpay Werth? Unsuccessfully go after Gonzalez? Or just keep things as they were in September when the Braves could barely crack 3 runs a game? Maybe the dollars and sense part of this game isn’t your thing…

ABravesFan

February 23rd, 2011
5:29 pm

Obviously, unloading KK would give us some salary relief. I really think that it is the right move to hold on to him until now and for a couple more week, rather than just bite on the first deal. Teams will be looking for SP help and become more and more desperate. As long as KK is allowed to pitch a little to show that he is sort of sharp, then it works to the Braves’ advantage to wait for his value to peak even more.

Kenshin Kawakami

February 23rd, 2011
5:30 pm

So I’m not going to be traded?

Jeff

February 23rd, 2011
5:34 pm

If the Braves can trade Lowe, they should do it, because given his age this might be the only chance they get to do so. It would help to move 30 million, and we could always use that money to make a deadline deal a la Philly last season. Remember, that’s how Philly won the division too.

mk

February 23rd, 2011
5:36 pm

Never say never. Always listen and keep an open mind. Somebody might make you an offer you can’t refuse.

Eric

February 23rd, 2011
5:53 pm

I don’t understand why people are so down on Kawakami. He had 16 starts last year and 7 were defined as Quality Starts (6 INN with 3 ER or less). That’s a percentage of 44%. Everyone seems to think Derek Lowe is a good pitcher and he had Quality Starts in 15 of his 33 starts for 45% of his starts. Jurrjens did it in 10 of his 20 starts for 50%. So Kawakami isn’t that far behind. I don’t see the logic in giving up on him. And if you are going to trade him, why not let him compete for the 5th starters spot, put up some good numbers in spring training, and build his worth?

pferree

February 23rd, 2011
5:54 pm

@GovClintonTyree Stuff like FIP does take groundballing into account in the sense that it counts home runs given up. As they say, you can’t hit a grounder out of the park. SIERA is a more complicated stat that Baseball Prospectus developed, and it takes ground balls into account. You might want to play around the BP website if you’re curious.

Michael Procton

February 23rd, 2011
6:10 pm

GCT: The problem with groundball pitchers is that they rely heavily on the defense to back them up. In the case of a team like last year’s Braves, that was a problem at times. Strikeouts don’t require any defensive help at all.

rainman34

February 23rd, 2011
6:19 pm

I cant believe we had a chance to trade lowe and didnt. They must have wanted us to eat some money. with the depth we have it would be crazy not to get that salary relief. Why sign lopez for depth while having minor and beachy and not take advantage. Left field is the spot we are going to have to fill. We should be able to get a monster with the cash we will have from chipper and lowe. I really think schafer is going to end up being the real deal.

Colby Rasmus

February 23rd, 2011
6:21 pm

I would love to play in Atlanta. I grew up in southern Alabama, and I have been a Braves fan all of my life. I welcome the opportunity to play in Turner Field in front of my family. Here’s hoping I get that call to La Russa’s office, and he tells me to pack my bags for Atlanta because I have been traded for Jair Jurrjens. I promise you Braves fans, i can roam center just as well as Andruw.

ExBraves Fan

February 23rd, 2011
6:25 pm

By the trade dealine, there will be PLENTY of teams looking for pitching. If the Braves are lucky enough to dodge the injury bug and have 5, 6 or even 7 possible starters, then they can dangle one for help where they need it (3B?? if Jones does not stay healthy or hit). Still, I think the Braves have a hard time making the playoffs this year. Philly, Rockies & Dodgers out west, Cincy, Milwaukee, St. Louis (maybe pitching problems), all have chance. Braves maybe wildcard. I don’t see them over taking the Phillies pitching staff. Just don’t see it.

braveslifer

February 23rd, 2011
6:27 pm

Yankees Get:
Derek Lowe
Nate McLouth

Braves Get:
Curtis Granderson
Joba Chamberlain

Jeff

February 23rd, 2011
6:29 pm

I’m guessing the real Colby Rasmus would hope to see a pitcher like Lowe, Beachy and KK in a package for him rather than JJ who’s a much better pitcher when healthy. The Braves should keep JJ and let him build back up his value. If we trade a pitcher or two, it needs to be some combo of Lowe/KK or Beachy/KK. Though I am okay with keeping KK for now if we move Lowe’s 30 million.

GT Alum

February 23rd, 2011
6:30 pm

Eric -

For one, the Jurrjens comparison isn’t exactly apples to apples. JJ was hurt and struggling for a lot of last year. KK was just struggling.

A lot of measurements (other than W-L) say KK hasn’t been that bad. The main reason I can think of is he got passed by a bunch of younger pitchers. When JJ came off the DL, Medlen was 5-1 with a 3.15 ERA and KK was 1-9 with a 4.48 ERA. There’s not really any way the Braves could send Medlen back to the ‘pen to let KK stay in the rotation.

Once Medlen went down, KK hadn’t exactly been tearing it up in AAA (0-1 in 5 starts with a 4.29 ERA). Compare that to Beachy, who was 2-0 in 7 starts with a 2.17 ERA, or Minor, who was 4-1 in 6 starts with a 1.89 ERA. Do you give the guys who actually might have a future with the team who are actually performing a chance, or do you give the guy who’s not doing terribly well in AAA and has 1 more year on his contract another shot?

Bream SAFE!!!

February 23rd, 2011
6:33 pm

don’t get me wrong…i like our starting pitching….but the possibility of trading Lowe and getting him off the books….and including Nate….for Rasmus and a prospect would be interesting…..Having a young Rasmus, Heyward, and Freeman would be great……hoping Jordan can regain his form and moving Rasmus to left, Jordan in center and Prado to 3rd is not a bad thought…..plus we would free up some dough to make a move at the deadline….thats looking ahead when we don’t have Chip and Lowe in 2 years….but our outfield would be set for years to come….plus the corners would be in place…..Salacedo coming up to play SS….and Uggs at 2nd…..plus the young arms ready to break through…..future is bright

Mike10

February 23rd, 2011
6:37 pm

Yes,they need to trade Lowe so we can free up some money and give Teheren a chance.I don’t agree with Fredi.

GT Alum

February 23rd, 2011
6:39 pm

rainman34 -

Who wanted Lowe? The Yankees were asking about Hudson. The funny thing is they think they’ll have to give the Braves too much to get Lowe. How the heck did they think we’d take less for Hudson?

NickB

February 23rd, 2011
6:49 pm

IF anyone gets trades (KK aside of course) it’s going to be around the deadline. FW and Fredi are going to want to watch this team play at least through June before they make the decision of where they need improvement.

You never trade just because you have the depth to trade. You hold onto your chips and wait until you have a need to fill. Then you release the hounds!

Jim

February 23rd, 2011
6:50 pm

to braveslifer: I like your proposed trade but the yankees are not giving up Curtis Granderson (especially for good ol Nate) Wish it would happen but even the yankees are not that wacked out (yet)!

Jeff

February 23rd, 2011
6:55 pm

Of course Fredi Gonzalez is going to say what he did. He wouldn’t be so stupid to say otherwise, think about it folks. :)

escoBEAST

February 23rd, 2011
6:56 pm

I would trade Lowe for anything as long as we don’t have to pay any salary.
I would trade hudson for Rasmus.
I would trade hudson for gardner and montero, but doubt that would ever happen.
I would definitely consider trading hudson for gardner, chamberland, and a top 4 yankee prospect.
Unfortunately the braves owners don’t wanna raise payroll, so i would definitely consider getting young and cheaper and make a strong push for next year and the years following. I think they should be willing to do that without hudson.

Jeff

February 23rd, 2011
7:06 pm

Hudson isn’t going anywhere, he has no trade rights and loves the Braves. The Braves won’t even consider trading him for that reason, among others.

ColoradoBravesFan

February 23rd, 2011
7:16 pm

Hudson is a 10/5 guy and is going nowhere. Let JJJ build value this year, then trade either Lowe or JJJ this off season. Lowe would be the better to trade to free up $$$, but JJJ would bring better prospects. Which do the Braves need more $$$ or Prospects?

Colby Rasmus

February 23rd, 2011
7:24 pm

I do not believe the St. Louis Cardinals would ever consider trading me for Derek Lowe. DLowe eats up too much payroll, and remember the Cards are trying to sign our first baseman sometime. Cards can’t pay Lowe’s money plus keep Pujols. That’s why I am imploring the Braves to trade JJ for me. JJ will not eat up too much payroll, and I think his attitude soured in ATL last year. Clubhouse distractions usually leave Atlanta via trade (see Yunel Escobar). I want to play for my favorite team, heck my brother, Cory Rasmus, is in the Braves organization. ‘Look at me, I can be Centerfield.’

Bubba

February 23rd, 2011
7:27 pm

A few Braves are up for new contracts over the next two seasons and will be flooded with offers from other teams. Which ones can we expect to keep???

BRAVO MAN

February 23rd, 2011
7:32 pm

Imagine if we could buy alcohol on SUNDAY…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TOM_UuQzc0

Brian

February 23rd, 2011
7:33 pm

Hey guys, lets give Fredi and Wren a chance to make decisions. We only need one manager and one GM and we have them already. None of us have more knowledge and experience than they do.

Larvell Blanks

February 23rd, 2011
7:37 pm

What’s the deal with everyone wanting to trade JJ? Except for being hurt last year, he’s one of the best young pitchers around. I want him anchoring our rotation for years to come. JJ, Hanson, Medlen, one day Teheran … good young pitchers are keepers.

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Jeff

February 23rd, 2011
7:43 pm

Larvell: I am not interested in seeing JJ traded unless it really helps the team now (and in the future). I wouldn’t even offer JJ for Rasmus at this point. Though I’d be interested in Rasmus otherwise.

old brave, retired

February 23rd, 2011
7:51 pm

Didn’t Derek Lowe get a cortisone shot and then pitched lights out? I think the cortisone has worn off by now and he will be what he has been for most of his starts—a .500 pitcher with a 4.50 e.r.a.. He does eat up innings, which is good for the long haul, but not great. I don’t think we should trade him. Just let him ride out his contract and then our young studs should be fully ready for the big show. Teheran almost looks ready now. Just a little more polish. Schafer will be a big plus this year. We are in good shape in the low minors, middle minors and high minor leagues. What a great turn around for Frank Wren. John Schulerhouze just about had depleted the system. We are going to win big time this year.

Hank Aaron had a cool home run trot

February 23rd, 2011
8:01 pm

DOB, I was wondering about Medlen. I know he had TJ surgery last year. How is he doing and when do they think he’ll be ready to get back into the rotation? Thanks for the great blogs. Always enjoy them!

In Fredi I Trust

February 23rd, 2011
8:29 pm

DOB,

Thanks for the new blog man. As I asked before, you going to be at the Braves vs Brewers game on Thursday 4/7 in Milwaukee? If so, a burger and beer on me to pay you back for all your hard work on this site.

Russell

February 23rd, 2011
8:52 pm

I think we need to look at ss more than any other position. I am more optimistic on our cf position than our ss. There is an upside with our cf options than our ss option. If we could get some good production from the ss think about our offence?

Russell

February 23rd, 2011
9:00 pm

We know exactly what we are going to get from gonzo at ss and it isnt spectacular. The reports coming out one nate and jordan are looking the best in a while

James

February 23rd, 2011
9:00 pm

DOB, you don’t think the Braves would actually pass up on an opportunity to unload Lowe’s salary, do you?

Jeff

February 23rd, 2011
9:29 pm

James: I’d hope they’d not be that short-sighted given his age, our depth, etc. Remember, we made the playoffs this past season without the real JJ, etc. I’d hardly consider Lowe value that high but some apparently do so. I also believe some overrate him due to how he finished last season.

We need Orlando Cepeda

February 23rd, 2011
9:30 pm

FaninChi, I don’t think AtlFan was writing about the last decade. Chipper is a first ballot HOFer for sure, but the last two years he has been grossly overpaid. He was paid what he was worth for the first 15 or so years of his career, now he has become an anchor that has prevented us from acquiring talent that can still produce.
I’m glad Mac says Chip has a ‘chip on his shoulder’ about people saying he can’t come back at 39, he should have one. As they say, however, the proof of the pudding is in the taste, well, the proof of Chip’s comeback is in the performance. Here’s hoping he comes back strong, just don’t bet on it.

Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans

February 23rd, 2011
9:41 pm

DOB, you have become the iron horse of baseball bloggists.

This is THE BEST baseball blog in America.

Thank you sir.

old man

February 23rd, 2011
10:06 pm

Who’s Gonad? Was he invited to Spring Training?

Bob the Blogger

February 23rd, 2011
10:26 pm

Actually, there will be 50 of them on the team come April 1.

Biff Pocoroba

February 23rd, 2011
10:34 pm

Put me in coach!!!!!!!

MitchC

February 23rd, 2011
10:56 pm

Say what you want about Lowe, but, the guy eats innings, and won 15 games two years in a row. I also wouldnt trade Hudson. He’s still not that old, and won 17 games last year.

We already got our power bat in Uggla. We have our closers. Experience should tell us you dont trade solid starting pitching. I dont care how old Lowe or Hudson are. If they can win us 15 to 20 games each, and give us 200 innings, keep them. It’;s not like they are 40 years old yet.

I like our team as it is. We arent the Phillies, but we are darn good. I think we can win the wild card.

AtlMike

February 23rd, 2011
11:05 pm

Please, please get rid of Kawakami. He is a waste of any money at all.

BobDawg

February 23rd, 2011
11:18 pm

MitchC,

I agree with you…The Trollers are starting to get desparate and we are pitching rich… Cardinals must be sweating bullets with Pujols asking for the “Moon” and Wainwright’s elbow is shot.. We gave them Wainwright who was our best pitcher developed in last 15 years… NO MORE FAVORS TO THE YANKEES OR CARDINALS!!!!!

Mekons5

February 23rd, 2011
11:41 pm

What on earth do the Yanks have to offer for a top of the rotation pitcher? Nada. Unless they want to cough up their top three prospects or something. Even then, I don’t think their prospects are all that great, since the best one is just a DH. Whoever said Granderson and Joba…echhhh.

UGADawg16

February 24th, 2011
12:18 am

JJ to KK comparison? There is no comparison! JJ was 10 times better last year…and he wasn’t healthy more than 2 or 3 starts at a time.

Don’t trade JJ, he’s a rock. Decent year even though he was a physical wreck.

Derek Lowe

February 24th, 2011
12:44 am

I am getting overpaid by an incredible amount. Not only am I signed this year, but next year too. Package me and a prospect for colby rasmus. this gives us a bona fide center fielder as well as a ton of money to spend on free agents (and imagine in chipper retired…we could sign a superstar and then some!)

DerekZ

February 24th, 2011
3:09 am

I like our starters. I think they have the potential to get totally DOUBLE PITS TO CHESTY with it this year.

Conyers Braves Fan

February 24th, 2011
4:48 am

The Braves will make a trade if Wren believes it will improve the team. Regardless of all the suggestions he gets from the bloggers, he will make any and all decisions. I do enjoy reading all the opinions and suggestions of the self proclaimed GM`s on the blogs. Some are really entertaining. I don`t make any suggestions because I don`t know what would be best.

David O'Brien

February 24th, 2011
6:45 am

DOB, you don’t think the Braves would actually pass up on an opportunity to unload Lowe’s salary, do you? — James

This close to the season, I can’t imagine them trading him without either getting another quality starter in return, or having another deal in place to get one to replace him immediately. They’re trying to win now, immediately, and can’t best do that by weakening the rotation for this season just to unload Lowe’s salary.

David O'Brien

February 24th, 2011
6:53 am

DOB, I was wondering about Medlen. I know he had TJ surgery last year. How is he doing and when do they think he’ll be ready to get back into the rotation? Thanks for the great blogs. Always enjoy them! — Hank Aaron had a cool home run trot

Medlen’s doing great, on schedule for return sometime around 12-month point after surgery, which probably means he would return somewhere from late August to September. Impossible to pinpoint more than that, at this stage.

If you look at his face in all the pics in our photo galleries that he’s in, particularly the ones where our photog did the behind-the-scenes thing on Photo Day, you’ll see Medlen’s in his usually upbeat, prankster mode, full-tilt. He’s doing great, mentally and physically.

Donny Corleone

February 24th, 2011
7:07 am

Fact of the business is the players like the way Fredi talks and he likes the way they talk.

Donny Corleone

February 24th, 2011
7:10 am

Dave, has anyone at all expressed any kind of interest in KK if the Braves will eat part of his salary?

Donny Corleone

February 24th, 2011
7:15 am

Tar Baby don’t say nothin’.

coach13

February 24th, 2011
10:56 am

Trading Lowe only weakens the rotation and hurts the team for THIS year. Yeah he’s expensive but he’ll more for us than Chipper will this year.

Matt Malone

February 24th, 2011
11:08 am

If the Yankees were willing to give up Gardner, I’d definitely listen. I might not take the offer, but the prospect of having the best OBP+speed guy in the league would entice me a lot. Personally I’m tired of having no speed on the roster, and I wish that changes under Fredi’s regime. Hopefully Schafer is the answer.

The Dude Abides

February 24th, 2011
11:13 am

Can we get DOB a raise? Talk about working overtime.

old timer

February 24th, 2011
11:27 am

As the price of pitching has gone up and up, if Lowe can even repeat his overall numbers from last season, he’s worth it. His stats the year before, no. It’s a tough call with him if Wren does get offers.

Everything was going great until the Phils signed Lee. It’s going to be tough as long as we can’t sign a free agent now and then.

ExBraves Fan

February 24th, 2011
1:52 pm

I know a lot of people keep saying “he eats up innings.” Well, there are LOTS of losers who eat up innings. What good is a pitcher who pitches 180-210 innings, yet is 7-15 with an ERA over 5?? So he pitches a lot of innings and still LOSES. I’d rather have a pitcher that actually won sometimes. I am sick of these guys who go 14-13 with an ERA of 4.85 being called STARS! They are not stars. A star is 15-5 or 20-8 with ERA’s under 3.25. Not these 15-15, 4.55 ERA guys. The league is full of them. That is why real pitchers what actually WIN cost so much.

The Major Leagues made its mistake years ago with expansion. They saw the $$$$ mark, but did not see that quality major league pitchers would not keep up with the need and demand. You have 30 teams needing at least 10 pitchers each. That is THREE HUNDRED major league quality pitchers needed. NOW, go look at last year’s starters stats and find me 25-50 STAR pitchers. Find 75 quality, winning, innings eating pitchers. You can’t. Look at the starting pitchers ERA standings from last year. How many starters with ERA’s under 3? Under 4? Baseball needs to do away with teams. Those players can be sent to other teams. Then the nothing types will be back to doing what they should have been doing in the first place, finding a real job and working for a living. Not getting $400,000 minimum major league pay.

ExBraves Fan

February 24th, 2011
2:08 pm

Further research revealed, for my comment above, that ONLY 56 starting pitchers had ERA’s under 4.00 last season. 13 of those had losing records. Lowe was 57th with an ERA of 4.00. That list had lots and lots of pitchers with records barely above .500. Many played for good teams. So, QUALITY, winning, with good ERA pitchers are a very very very rare animal today. $30 million for one player? NOBODY is worth $30 million dollars. If you sign someone to that type of contract, fully expect not only the ticket prices at the ball park to go up, but fully expect those caps, jerseys, jackets, Tshirts, beers, cokes, popcorn, hotdogs, pizza, brats, etc. at the ball park to double in price also. I heard a guy on a call in show the other day say that beer at some NBA game cost $15.00!!!! Man, you can buy nearly a case for that at Walmart! Nope, these guys are truly overpaid for reduced results and want more. Not from me. I am not paying for the Jeter house or sending their kids to college or their Hawaiian vacation after the season. If I actually watch, it will be on the boob tube. Not in the $125 nosebleed seats. Enjoy folks. You are getting exactly what you wanted, higher prices for reduced results by a bunch of guys who should not even be in the major leagues based on results.

BravesFaninChi

February 24th, 2011
2:21 pm

ExBravesFan– not sure what this post really means? Were you commenting on the Braves (this is a Braves blog after all) or just the state of baseball in general? What pitcher were you talking about who is 7-15 w/ an ERA over 5?? Don’t think you’d find many supporters on here of that kind of player. I’m also confused as to how you become and EX Braves fan?

KK

February 24th, 2011
3:48 pm

Let me go to the Yankees, they can afford me!

ramblingman

February 24th, 2011
4:30 pm

exBravesfan, I won’t debate you on anything other than to say one thing – a pitcher who can eat innings is valuable because he allows your bullpen to remain fresher than otherwise.

Now, (although I truly have no standing to speak for them) on behalf of other Braves fans and fans of baseball in general, let me say I hope you enjoy your life and get a chance to do what you want.

Bobby's chauffer

February 24th, 2011
6:33 pm

I feel we are set and ready….One thing for sure ..we will have some surprises in spring training, both good and bad.. I, myself am optimistic that the good will far outweigh the bad. I’m ready..Let the games begin

jonwon1353

February 24th, 2011
7:43 pm

I’ve seen some great players have years they would like to forget. We might be a
little hard on McLouth and Kawakami. Evidently, the Braves saw something in their
ability to sign and trade for them. I got a little upset at times last year,but it’s a game
and I do believe they were maybe over-trying at times. A new sun comes up each
morning and that could be the day of redemption. I hope they will give McLouth and
Kawakami another chance. After all, it’s a brand new day….. PLAY BALL……

old brave

February 24th, 2011
10:10 pm

are we read y ? let the games begin

Columbus

February 25th, 2011
1:58 am

If Rasmus REALLy wants out of St. Louis then Atlanta would likely be at the top of his list to come to and if he does WANT out and they need a pitcher then it is a possibility. Rasmus is from Phenix City, AL. 100 miles from Atlanta. Him and his brother played on the Phenix City Little League team that went to the LLWS in what 1999? They dont want ot give him up sure but if he wants out he can put some pressue on them to put him in a trade for a pitcher. He is going to be awesome and maybe THIS year…Oh yeah…the Yankees want out opening day pitcher….who do they think they are? ROFL…….! Thats is so funny! Kawakami or Beachy but Hudson?! He was out BEST starter last year!…The nerve… who they going to give us? a starting outfielder? Texiera?

DerekZ

February 25th, 2011
4:09 am

That’s for the blog, DOB. I can’t wait for the Bravos to get DOUBLE PITS TO CHESTY with it this year! Especially Prado who is always DP TO C.

Don

February 25th, 2011
8:43 am

They may end up needing to be looking for pitching help – rather than trading it away. Remember that Medlin is out for the year, JJ has not yet shown that he can be consitant and effective after his Shoulder injury, and Lowe had a great last few weeks of the season – but he is a year older and who knows. They have some great looking young prospects, but they have not yet proven that they can produce. The Braves actually have Hudson and Hanson and then questions.

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Lobosolo

February 25th, 2011
11:30 am

Love to read all of these posts by the “experts”… you guys really ought to read yourselves…

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