5:46 pm January 25, 2011, by Carroll Rogers
January 26th, 20114:55 pm
The ridiculous extent to which one has to ignore or twist all logic to not see this is mind boggling
We’re all crazy. You’re the sane one. Check.
Because John Smoltz wasnt a power pitcher
Because it was bad LUCK that Conrad was in there playing defsne
January 26th, 20114:57 pm
Poor Bobby Cox. All he ever had in the playoffs was the greatest postseason pitcher of all time, the best lefthander of his generation, and Greg Maddux
Nobody can expect to win with that junk. Especially if the ball hits a pebble in the infield
I mean, under those circumstances, one bad pitch and you’re losing 6-0
January 26th, 20114:58 pm
Hillbilly,Mickey Mouse sounding pretty good about now.
McFann O O
tiger297 if I say McFann will he know who I’m talking about?
Haha, I doubt it!
Hilarious. A grown man, unable to stop himself. Irrelevant subject? Never. NEVER!
This guy’s like a hamster on crack….
January 26th, 20114:59 pm
ALL games are CHANCE, frankly…just look towards the NFL play-offs and the “miracle mets” as evidence. The Royals lost to the Yanks ONCE on a Reggie porch shot, another time to an error by Freddie Patek…solid fielder if there ever was. DUMB decisions contribute, no doubt, but all-in-all, remember-”THAT’S why the play the GAME!”
January 26th, 20115:00 pm
“This guy’s like a hamster on crack”
A hamster on crack could outwit Cox
DOB – you get on my case for continuing to state my point – why not get on the other side for continuing to espouse theirs
Your problem is…..you’re trying to argue LOGICALLY with someone who doesn’t know the meaning of the word logic.
Snow, sleet, freezing rain, and at 38* f yet. Squirrelly weather today.
Enquiring Minds Want to Know
January 26th, 20115:01 pm
You really do need to get Robert on your payroll. I mean, its only right, since he clearly doesn’t have a job.
It’s time for an intervention
January 26th, 20115:02 pm
I hope you all know that my expertise in managerial strategy is legit… I once watched a girl’s Little League softball game.
January 26th, 20115:03 pm
We generally don’t have Bobby Cox lovefests on here until you come out and spew your daily verbal diarrhea. If you would just stop talking about him, it would rarely be discussed.
“ALL games are CHANCE, frankly…”
Games have an element of chance.
Only losers claim luck.
Part of skill is making it so that you have a better chance of getting good luck to go your way.
If a guy goes all-in on a pair of aces and someone draws out on him, that isnt faulty play
But the guy who goes all-in on 2-7 off suit is an idiot
January 26th, 20115:05 pm
My mom just yelled down the stairs that dinner is ready. I’ll be back with more enlightenment in a few minutes.
Payne: Basically, my issue is with your cursory dismissal of the importance or impact of a coach or manager. Perhaps you believe their impact and place in the game is more than largely to satisfy the screaming masses, but your repeated comments lend themselves to a rather myopic scope of duties and impact for these positions. When it comes down to it, these teams we watch and follow are made up of people and people will always need teaching, correcting, and reproof regardless of age.
January 26th, 20115:09 pm
Hate to belabor the point- but I grew-up with the Royals- it took Jim Frey(who?) to get them to thier first WS( with ALOT of help from George Brett). Think HE’LL get into the HOF?
Dobi – Gregg Allman was bleeding godawful on New Years Eve in his concert out here, was so sorry
January 26th, 20115:11 pm
Games have an element of chance.
Part of skill is making it so that you have a better chance of gett….
January 26th, 20115:12 pm
You really do need to get Robert on your payroll. I mean, its only right, since he clearly doesn’t have a job. — Enquiring Minds
As I’ve said, why pay when we get the service for free?
Brett of course was first-ballot…anyways, thank God your mommy came and got you!
January 26th, 20115:13 pm
SnowOnDoggiesBrekky: Sorry to hear that about Gregg’s show. His new CD’s outstanding. Given the health issues he’s dealt with, not overly surprised if he wasn’t back in touring shape just yet.
January 26th, 20115:14 pm
The point was that Cox couldn’t use Niekro – he was injured for 1/3 of the season – he only started 22 games and given how many he usually completed, it seriously depleted what Cox had available,
Only someone totally fixated to the point of absurdity, refusing to see anything that might possibly destroy his thesis would fail to see that.
Carry On Oh Obsessive One.
January 26th, 20115:15 pm
TennesseePaul, I’m not saying managers and coaches have no impact and don’t teach. What I’m saying is that their teaching and correcting generally has a minimal impact at the major league level. I don’t think their place is to satisfy the screaming masses. I do agree that they teach, correct and do other things that impact games.
To clarify, I think that the difference between the best manager considered for a major league job and the worst is not all that great. Same with coaches. The difference between the best coach that would ever be considered for a major league job and the worst coach is minimal. Yes, I’m sure there are a few exceptions. Maury Wills, by all accounts, was horrible. But there are very few exceptions, if any, these days. If a guy was to make it through and get hired as a major league manager and he was so horrible, everyone would notice and he wouldn’t last more than a few weeks.
Also, there is the fact that it takes a lot of discipline, honing your skills and mastering your skills to make it to the majors. Generally, guys who reach the majors aren’t the type that need a great deal of instruction. Yes, they do need some. I’m not saying they never need a coach or a manager to get them through and to help teach or correct them. I’m saying that pretty much anyone that would be considered for a manager or coaching job would do the job almost equally as well as any other. I’m also saying that a player with the skills, discipline and other things it takes to make it to the majors is not going to be changed significantly by a manager or a coach. Again, that’s not to say players never get help from managers and coaches. But they are already highly disciplined, highly focused and highly skilled people or else they wouldn’t be in the majors in the first place.
January 26th, 20115:16 pm
"Not Feelin So Hot" P-Town Brave ©
January 26th, 20115:17 pm
Um…shouldn’t he have to pay US for having to read some of this, correction, ALL of this crap?!
Like I said earlier, the fact that he actually believes Bonds had no clue what he was getting into with the whole steroids deal and had no idea what he was being given….
Well, thats about as bent as Roger Clemens saying Andy Petitte “misremembered” their conversation!
January 26th, 20115:18 pm
Do you think the Braves will pursue Lastings Milledge? Plays all the OF positions and hits LH at a nice clip. Do you see a fit?>
January 26th, 20115:21 pm
Robert, just because losers claim luck doesn’t mean winners didn’t get good luck or shouldn’t claim luck. It’s much easier to say you are great and let everyone praise you, rather than admit you were good but also lucky. Plus luck is what makes sports and games fun. If it was just about who was better, we’d know the outcome and games and sports would be rather boring. If Maddux could always induce the groundball to second instead of sometimes getting more or less the same grounder just out of the reach of the secondbaseman, the game’s predictability would be rather boring.
People are just generally uncomfortable about the role of luck, chance, whatever you want to call it in things like sports because it means they don’t get to praise or blame anyone as much as they’d like to and there aren’t heroes and goats to the degree we’d like there to be.
I doubt it myself…
I don’t think he would fit into the clubhouse…
January 26th, 20115:22 pm
This guy’s like a hamster on crack…. _ DOB
I’m thinking Bath Salts. Dangerous stuff.
Wow…Robert, PL, Nick, Shaun all in one day…
Not sure I can handle it…
Now I know why the sickness was coming on…
It foretold the future….
January 26th, 20115:26 pm
Is Shaun N8 ?
January 26th, 20115:28 pm
January 26th, 20115:32 pm
Cops are getting all excited about Bath Salts here in FL since Spring break is coming up and I don’t blame them. They have enough to handle with the inevitable header off the hotel balcony.
January 26th, 20115:33 pm
It is Australia Day today, that wonderful day we celebrate getting away from the dastardly English and on that note I saw the best t shirt ever at the wine shop
It was an Australian Flag t-shirt with the following written “Alcoholics Anonymous is for Foreigners”
Happy Australia Day to all of you… my beloved American mates
January 26th, 20115:34 pm
Normal day on the blog I see, tons of post from ROBERT bashing Cox still…..
January 26th, 20115:35 pm
I thought Robert said a couple of days ago that he was over the Cox era and was not going to be posting on that subject in the future. Did DOB coax him out of his retirement from the subject to generate another 5 or 6 pages of hits during the “quiet time” of year?
Looks like they are doing something about it.
January 26th, 20115:36 pm
DOB I’m hearing good things about Greg Allmans new CD. I’m a little bit older than you. Ha Ha, Back in 1970 I attended the best concert of my life in New Hampshire, celebrating B.B. King’s 45th birthday. The Allman Brothers and L Geils Band also performed. At the end of the concert they all performed together for about 90 minutes. I wasn’t big on the Blues until that night.
January 26th, 20115:39 pm
Dobi – tahnks will go buy the new cds tomorrow, need to expand my repetoire
January 26th, 20115:42 pm
I know Milledge had problems before but I read several reports that he learned alot during his time in Pitt. He was paired w/ McCutchen and the Pirates had Milledge paired w/ him to learn how to act like a professional. There was never a bad word about him while in Pitt.
January 26th, 20115:43 pm
And, as usual, NOTHING will be done in our little town because cops are too apathetic and meanwhile, gotta worry about my daughter being on an ambulance run with one of these nut cases.
January 26th, 20115:44 pm
Blues was the OTHER great thing about growing-up in KC…course as soon as I was SANE enough to get DIVORCED I was outta there like a Bat Outta Hell! Saw Muddy Waters, BB King, Fleetwood Mac( when they were STILL respectable) Tina, Stones…literally over a THOUSAND concerts. People used it as a starting date often…central in the country and appreciative audiences. Cost of living was so LOW at the time that I could AFFORD to go to ANY I wanted.
If that were the case, why didn’t they keep him in Pitt?
I mean the money wouldnt be that big of an issue…
January 26th, 20115:45 pm
TennesseePaul, also, if managers and coaches made significant differences, it would be a lot more noticeable more often when teams make changes.
Remember the splash the Cubs made hiring Jaramillo last off-season? Well the Cubs were actually slightly worse offensively in 2010 than in 2009. Now I’m not suggesting by any means that this was due to Jaramillo. But Jaramillo had a great rep and nothing improved. And it seems this is the case with a lot of new managerial and coaching hires.
Also, generally speaking, unless a franchise can afford to pay for a big-name manager, managers and coaches aren’t compensated in nearly the same way as even an average player, even an average player on a small-market team. If managers and coaches could make a major impact, wouldn’t more of them come close to making what an average player makes?
January 26th, 20115:50 pm
Just Pat – As long as there are minds warped enough to even conceive of getting high by mixing cold medicine with transmission fluid,inhaling cooking spray or household cleaners, there will always be something new to worry about. If not bath salts, it will be something else. the need to self destruct at any price apparently can’t be overcome.
January 26th, 20115:52 pm
From what I read when he was released they were suprised to see the Pirates let him go. He obviously hasn’t lived up to the hype he came up w/. One of the reports said that the Pirates were disappointed in his play. Nothing to do w/ his attitude. We need a 4th OF and Milledge does that. Plus he hits LH at a nice clip which is what he would be doing when he plays.
phunkat – I saw Fleetwood Mac pre Buckingham/Nicks, too. Not even the same band. Just wish I’d seen them one album sooner and caught Peter Greene, though Jeremy Spencer was good.
January 26th, 20115:54 pm
1982 Braves – team ERA 3.82, 5 shutouts in 162 games
1981 Braves – team ERA 3.45 , 4 shutouts in only 106 games
better performance and far worse record = poorer managing
you can make excuse after excuse after excuse
Torre had the same guys and got far better results out of them as a whole – even if the sum total of what each guy did wasnt better than what it was under Cox
January 26th, 20115:55 pm
Oh, I know but this stuff seems to be especially scary (if you read that first article Bat posted), plus we’ve been inundated on the news here lately about it. But…you’re so right about the self destruction.
The Pirates were disappointed with his play? Doesn’t this tell you something? It’s the Pirates.
January 26th, 20115:56 pm
Just don’t want one of those self destructors to take my daughter WITH them.
January 26th, 20115:57 pm
While I don’t disagree, I just don’t see it…
I’ll give you that he fits a need, but I can’t see the Braves wanting to put up with his ‘tude, unless they do their due dilligence (obviously) and they decide they’ll be a-ok.
The Brick Wall refuses to fix that loose mortar joint. Why should we be surprised?
January 26th, 20115:59 pm
Just Pat – A new job future, perhaps? My son was a cop for seven years. Glad he’s not anymore. Certain professions have an attendant danger factor.
January 26th, 20116:01 pm
Especially since one of his trainers was killed in ST. Pete last week.
Hey, I know someone asked a while back about Braves that have twitter accounts- add my boy Kris Medlen to the list as of today (@kris_medlen for those of you that have accounts and want to follow him)
January 26th, 20116:02 pm
Thats what it read. Sadly he would of been the second most productive OF we had last year. The guy hits LH at nearly a .300 clip and plays all over the OF. Hes RH. To me, thats what we need. The guy had the same BA as Heyward last year. He draws walks. He was due a raise and Pitt wanted a LF with more power. We are looking for a guy who can play all over the OF and handle LH pitching. He fits the mold.
Sorry to hear that. You must be proud your daughter works in a field where she can helps others. Best wishes for you both.
January 26th, 20116:05 pm
P’Cola – Even if they considered him a fit and I don’t think they do, I’m betting hell be a lot more expensive than so many seem to think. He’s arb eligible and I doubt he’ll sign for the minimum – he’ll cost several mil and he’s not worth it to the Braves, who a. Don’t really have that much and b. already have several options that bring similar skills to the table.
Just not seeing it as a possibility.
Yeah…to make it worse….her husband is a deputy sheriff. Oh, joy!
January 26th, 20116:07 pm
I wouldnt mind Lastings being in the mix for the 4th OFer spot. He would be cheap and possibly a minor league deal. RH, plays all the OF spots, hits LHP well.
January 26th, 20116:08 pm
I AM proud of her…..just can’t help worrying about her especially when I see the ambulance go screaming by. Sometimes with her at the wheel and sometimes someone else and never know which worries me more.
January 26th, 20116:09 pm
JUst Pat – My son started as a CO at the jail in Seminole County – like I told him, as a cop it was always a possibility he’d come into contact with some bad people. At the jail, he was definitely going to come in contact with them.
I was glad when he became a court baliff, but even that isn’t safe anymore.
January 26th, 20116:10 pm
I don’t see him costing that much. Maybe around 1 mil. Theres very few team vying for his services. He fits what we need. Mather is the only guy capable of doing what milledge would do but I don’t know hed hit LH like MIlledge can. I don’t see the cost being that high. But your right saying that Wren may not see him as a fit but stats wise hes the best option.
January 26th, 20116:12 pm
it aint a no brainer and I would venture to say Prado will have more value for the next 4 years then Rasmus Brekky
maybe, but i kinda doubt it
PCola – Doesn’t matter. They will bring in Schafer, Mather and Young plus a couple others they’ve invited. I just don’t see them spending money on anyone else unless they find a deal they can’t refuse. Milledge won’t be it.
January 26th, 20116:14 pm
nolie- Well, If Rasmus does have that much more value than Prado, why would the Cards trade him for Prado?
This whole thing is moot as hell. The Cards aren’t trading him.
January 26th, 20116:16 pm
so where’s your proof that Cox ever had anything like a 110-win roster that won 104 games?
there is no proof cause it’s a ridiculous assertion. Nobody can say how many games a team should win to any degree, let alone Robert who has proven over the years that he knows little at all about organized professional baseball.
It is either a put on or he is an O/C with anger issues and it’s all in his head
January 26th, 20116:18 pm
Shoot! Down here even attending a school board meeting isn’t safe anymore. And, as far as a career change? Yeah….she’s going back to school to upgrade from EMT to paramedic. Not a whole lotta difference except in her paycheck.
January 26th, 20116:19 pm
Robert.Dude. why dont you start your own blog where you can talk to yourself about stats you find important? You could take that blog everywhere with you: the backyard, the gas station, dept of labor.
January 26th, 20116:21 pm
The Cards aren’t trading him. LEW
I didn’t say that he was”that” much better, but I do not see Prado as better than Rasmus which is what was said that I responded to.. Caint prove it, JMO..
besides unless y’all are talking about something more recent that I missed the Prado-Rasmus that i read about was Card’s fans saying what a trade would start with, not an even swap.
It is either a put on or he is an O/C with anger issues and it’s all in his head
Hey, let’s not make light of OCD O.K.? Some of my best friends suffer from it, pl, robert, mitchell and others, so just lay off.
Coach (2011 and Fredi G. a GO!)
January 26th, 20116:22 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen….
Welcome to the Robert blog, valium is on the menu tonight followed by laughing gas, and last but not least, your own straight jacket and padded room
January 26th, 20116:23 pm
“So I have no problem with them [the Braves] shuffling their coaches. I’m more concerned with Frank Wren, the front office and the players than any manager or coach.”
I most certainly agree. Got have right caliber of players for the manager and coaches to do their jobs.
January 26th, 20116:24 pm
Absolutely right Nick. Rightous post!
January 26th, 20116:25 pm
For him or US?
January 26th, 20116:26 pm
Robert’s PROBLEM seems to boil-down to Brooks in the play-offs. pfunk
not really he has been spouting the same damn crap for 4 or 5 years. just a different excuse, but a hater like him can find something about anybody to blame failure on. It just depends on who he decides to fixate on.
January 26th, 20116:28 pm
Who else was Bobby meant to put out there? I don’t recall another 2B on the bench.
January 26th, 20116:32 pm
Robert. Why you hating? Did bobby scuff at you when you tried to get his autograph? Lets be real here… Did he hit you?
Just got done scraping 4 inch thick ice off my driveway that had been driven on for over a month. My laziness of not scraping and only shoveling always comes back to haunt me a month or two later. We finally had two days above freezing (one to start to thaw it and the 2nd to really start to break it up.
Anybody know where I can can mail order some narcotic pain killers via the internet? Because my back is going to be locked up within 24 hours.
Oh well, more blog time I guess. Been looking forward to chatting with/about Robert for a while, just haven’t had the time.
January 26th, 20116:33 pm
Hey, let’s not make light of OCD O.K. Nick
I wasn’t making light of it, I was serious. i worked with a lot of kids who suffered from it to one degree or another. Robert displays several of the symptoms, but it could also just be a put on. Can’t really tell on a blog
January 26th, 20116:34 pm
Wasn’t Diory on the bench? Honestly I can’t remember
January 26th, 20116:37 pm
Anybody see Jimmy Buffett fall off the stage? Apparently he’s doing ok… he’s in the hospital in Moylan’s backyard. Here’s the story/video from CNN:
January 26th, 20116:38 pm
11:52 – 5:54….Robert’s been using big assumptions and sketchy logic to bash Bobby for over 6 hours today.
Yet to no avail. Except for that one dude who simply said “I agree with Robert” and said nothing else, exiting as mysteriously as he entered.
January 26th, 20116:39 pm
I’d hate to look back at my day and realize I was that unproductive.
January 26th, 20116:43 pm
sidslidkid – I was a bit concerned when I first heard about Jimmy this morning as details were sketchy – was relieved later to hear he’d be out of the hospital tomorrow…
January 26th, 20116:44 pm
well jd we’ve been arguing with him all that time and gotten nowhere. We are obviously all unproductive drones too
January 26th, 20116:45 pm
But we tried. And fought a good fight too. But alas
Jeffrey d, im hoping to make fun of him to the point he shuts his piehole!
January 26th, 20116:46 pm
yeah Don Quixote would be proud of us.
January 26th, 20116:47 pm
I did listen to somebody’s advice, I now scroll past when I see his name. Trouble is,half of the other posts are responding to his lunacy.
January 26th, 20116:49 pm
hasn’t worked in 4 years Big, and some of the best have taken real shots at it.
Like the psych 101 text says, negative attention is better than no attention at all.
Poor ol’ guy
well jd we’ve been arguing with him all that time and gotten nowhere. We are obviously all unproductive drones too — nolie
We do appreciate the participation. You’ve been productive in that regard. (smile)
CB – I believe half is a gross underestimation…
January 26th, 20116:50 pm
Eyup CB, there’s the rub
Venice Jim – I’m not a fan of his music, but I know lots of people who are. The guys got a massive fan base and I’m sure the “Parrotheads” of the world want to see him performing again soon. Glad to hear he wasn’t seriously hurt.
What kills me about Robert is not his hate for Cox but his disregard for ward’s well being. I mean just how damned self involved can you be Robert. But, then again, Robert is not a well man, not his fault, not at all. It’s Murph’s fault.
ward’s little peace train may not be all that much, sure he can’t get it to run on time and it’s often off on the wrong track. Still it’s our goofy little peace train and look now, off the trestle, shattered in the gully, destroyed. And for what, so the egomaniacal Murph could try one of his precious experiments.
Gonna save Robert, whoopty damn do, like anybody cares. Willing to risk mice, monkeys, wards, no skin off your nose. And now ward is no more, well I hope you’re happy Dr. Strangelove.
Do they practice Buddhism in Montana? Perhaps ward did, he was a peace lover after all. I suppose it is to much to hope he might be reincarnated. Maybe his ghost will appear. He might not even know he is dead. I wonder if he saw Sixth Sense.
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