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nolie
January 25th, 2011
11:34 pm
It won’t take a year before Cuba is the favorite destination for Americans going out of the country.
I doubt it will be anywhere near that quick KL. The building are a shambles, construction will likely take years on anything of any size
Trey
January 25th, 2011
11:34 pm
cab, I love storms, tornadoes, hurricanes, and just things like that. I find them scary, but interesting. I mean, the results are awful, but there is something else about them that I enjoy.
Trey
January 25th, 2011
11:35 pm
Tomahawkin, but it is probably worse in the NY
nolie
January 25th, 2011
11:36 pm
I actually find hurricanes and storms fascinating Trey
Ever survive one going right over you? I’m pretty sure most of the dead and maimed weren’t all that interested. I know I’ll pas on another.
keylargo
January 25th, 2011
11:36 pm
I do love watching storms over the water- they can be stunningly beautiful
I’ve found their is a direct relationship to how large of a boat I’m in to how much I enjoy storms. Mine is only 23 feet and if I see one coming my way, I’m hauling azz in the other direction.
cabravesfan
January 25th, 2011
11:37 pm
Trey-
can’t say I’ve had much experience with any of them- last “major” storm we had was when I was about 8…destroyed one of the famous beachfront hotels nearby, trashed the marinas, that kind of stuff…other then that, all we have to wait for is the next quake (I think I’d rather deal with tornadoes and hurricanes)
David O'Brien
January 25th, 2011
11:38 pm
tiger297: you asked if the Gaylord would be good place location-wise while you’re at spring training. Absolutely. You can’t get stay any closer to the ballpark than the Gaylord Palms, which is literally about 5 minutes away. Hotel is at same exit off I-4 as ballpark, just that it’s located on other side of the freeway from Dark Star. Otherwise, you could probably walk there.
David O'Brien
January 25th, 2011
11:38 pm
Danga, that was Carroll’s story, not mine. She gets the kudos.
cabravesfan
January 25th, 2011
11:38 pm
keylargo -
What I meant was “watching them from the comfort and safety of dry land, four walls and a roof”
Trey
January 25th, 2011
11:39 pm
Nolie, like I said, the results are awful. I really don’t know what it is though that I do enjoy about storms.
keylargo
January 25th, 2011
11:40 pm
Nolie – I agree that the major resorts will take years. But me? I need my a thatched roof hut with a ceiling fan. I’ll find some entertainment.
nolie
January 25th, 2011
11:42 pm
the ionization affects some folks that way trey, and there is the display of raw power, but it’s a scary damn thing to live through and a horrible experience for everybody both during and after.
Trey
January 25th, 2011
11:44 pm
Cab, that’s awful. I have never been in anything that serious, luckily. Well, a buddy of mine and I were coming back from the gym a couple years ago and we were close to the bay on base and he saw this tornado forming out on the water, but I missed it, and there was a tornado that started forming over one of our ship’s, but it didn’t cause any damage to the ships, but it did cause some to the cars around the piers. That may have been the worst thing I have been around, besides the 93 blizzard and majr rain storms.
Trey
January 25th, 2011
11:48 pm
Nolie, I think it’s because I get some sort of rush with storms, is why I think that. I am sure it would be different if it actually happened. I know a couple of people who live in Moss Point, MS, and they were there during Hurricane Katrina and I saw the horrible damage it left. One of their car’s got wrapped around a tree, peoples’ garages were filled with leaves, branches, twigs, snakes, and whatever else. They had to completely rebuild, no power.
nolie
January 25th, 2011
11:52 pm
like I said the ionization of the air can cause exhilaration in some folks, that can be a rush no doubt
Trey
January 25th, 2011
11:53 pm
Nolie, that is true.
Moe Berg
January 25th, 2011
11:56 pm
“I doubt it will be anywhere near that quick KL. The building are a shambles, construction will likely take years on anything of any size”
nolie, I agree with you that it will be awhile before infrastructure is rebuilt, but I think people will be rushing down–sort of curiosity tourism. I know a lot of Canadians who go down there and quite a few Americans who do, via Mexico. I think a lot of people will go; it just won’t be like it was in 1959 and earlier.
Trey
January 25th, 2011
11:59 pm
Hey Moe, have a good night Moe!
Good night, Nolie, and folks.
Moe Berg
January 26th, 2011
12:02 am
Hey, Trey. Hope you are well. Have not been on much lately (and will have to grab dinner soon). Take care.
tiger297
January 26th, 2011
12:02 am
keylargo – and the 2 months it will take for commercial traffic to really get ramped up will be a boon for those of us with our own wings. Although it is way to far for me (to get to South Florida not the hop to Cuba)
TnBrian
January 26th, 2011
12:05 am
nolie, yeah my dad would probably agree with you to. Back in 1990 he went through Hurricane Hugo out in South Carolina. He lived in a mobile home in the middle of nowhere, so he figured he’d be safer in his ‘72 Buick Skylark. He got in the car in the back yard and ended up hundreds of feet away in a field when the thing finally passed him.
On another topic …. how’s that girl wearing a A.Jones 25 jersey on this homepage? She doesn’t realize he’s not a Brave anymore which is typical of a lot Braves fans that show up at Turner Field.
Tomahawkin
January 26th, 2011
12:10 am
Time For Bed, Peace-Out!
tiger297
January 26th, 2011
12:14 am
or after paying $150 bucks for a jersey she is going to get her money’s worth out of it? Nah that couldn’t be it.
tiger297
January 26th, 2011
12:28 am
some of us don’t have ‘59 as a reference Moe
Moe Berg
January 26th, 2011
12:36 am
tiger297–I don’t want to tread on the blog rules here. So I will talk about films. Think about in the ‘Godfather 2′, when the Cuban revolution takes place and Batista is pushed out of power and Castro comes to power–Michael tells Fredo: “I know it was you.” That was New Year’s 1959. A major change in Cuba.
Fulgencio Batista
January 26th, 2011
12:49 am
I can remember when Cuba was the playground of the Caribbean . Will take a huge amount of labor and capital to ever get that back.
Yes senor, which is why I shall return once again to rule Cuba after half a century in exile. But then again I could be lying out my ass.
Bravito199
January 26th, 2011
12:53 am
Hey guys I don’t know how but I got to see Keith law’s list last night and he had Teheran 6th, Vizcaino 48th, Delgado 49th, and Freeman 50th. He ranked Minor in the 60s and didn’t rank Kimbrel at all. He also has the Braves as the #3 farm system behind the Royals and Rays.
ward
January 26th, 2011
1:22 am
Hello Every one! New blog, but bad article…….. Do we have to hear abiut Pendleton? Pendleton a first base coach has always been a bad idea. I call it a Dry idea. Now our base running will be bad. Ricky Henderson would have been a better idea,or Otis Nixon, who actually know some thing about base running…..Pendleton wil be as bad as his hitting.
ward
January 26th, 2011
1:23 am
Correction Hear about.
ward
January 26th, 2011
1:29 am
What does Pendleton know about base running? It’s like the blind leading some one off the base paths…. Bad…..Bad ….. choice…….
ward
January 26th, 2011
1:50 am
I would like toe hear more on our prospects instead of Pendleton…….
ward
January 26th, 2011
1:50 am
Correction to hear.
ward
January 26th, 2011
2:01 am
Pendleton couldn’t hit,or teach hitting. What makes any one think he can teach base running? I can’t agree with this one……..
Murph
January 26th, 2011
2:04 am
Do you guys really want to miss out on this ^ ?
Be nice to Robert tomorrow. I’m warning you…
Oh, and Carroll/nolie, I don’t need help with my math. Pendleton signed as a member of the Braves coaching staff in November of 2001. http://mlb.mlb.com/team/coach_staff_bio.jsp?c_id=atl&coachorstaffid=120381
Apology letters can be mailed to:
Murph
Shady Pines Trailer Park
Suite 4 (near the showers)
Deer Grove, IL 60815
ward
January 26th, 2011
2:05 am
How’s it going Murph?
ward
January 26th, 2011
2:14 am
Murph: I had to speak out on this one……Pendlton a dry idea……I stand by my statement.
ward
January 26th, 2011
2:35 am
Some of you may not like what I say, but I like to speak whats on my mind,and this one was.You can agree or disagree, and thats O.K. with me,but on this I stand by my statement on Pendleton with my own opinion, not to disrepect others,becaues every one is entitled to their opion, and I respect yours…….Nite all, and be cool ,and peace…..
Big Jake
January 26th, 2011
3:22 am
I’m not sure that I think Delgado should be ranked in the top 50, but I am sure that I don’t think he should be ranked as poorly as 141 or whatever that was.
I think Efrim was right and he will make the top 100 of most of the lists quite easily.
Still it was interesting to see what yet another analyst thought of the Braves prospects.
Big Jake
January 26th, 2011
3:26 am
KLaw having Freeman at 50th is sort of a surprise. Some others rate him higher than that.
It is interesting to see the differences. It is no wonder we get in so many arguments over them here.
Big Jake
January 26th, 2011
3:27 am
Good night and good luck.
Marshall
January 26th, 2011
4:14 am
Anyone have ESPN Insider and can post Dan Szymborski’s article “What’s Jason Heyward worth? A look at the long-term value of eight young stars, including Buster Posey”? Curious to see what he says.
Jeff
January 26th, 2011
4:55 am
Speaking of TP, I’ll never forget his lead-off double in the 9th inning of game 7 of the ‘92 NLCS against Pittsburgh (and Doug Drabek). That was the hit that started our rally before Frankie’s game winning two out base hit and Sid’s slide heard ’round the baseball world.
Jeff
January 26th, 2011
4:58 am
Also, TP should be a good 1B coach, I just think batting coach didn’t fit for him.
nolie
January 26th, 2011
6:07 am
What’s Jason Heyward worth?
A look at the long-term value of eight young stars, including Buster Posey
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Jason Heyward is only 20 and has a ROY to his name. When his next deal looms, it might break the bank.
Twenty years ago, the Cleveland Indians found themselves in desperate straits; the team was known enough for its futility to have a movie based on its story, and the finances were so weak that even Bill James said the organization was hopeless.
In 1991, John Hart replaced Hank Peters as GM of the Indians, and instead of simply letting the team tread water at the bottom of the division, Hart aggressively rebuilt the franchise, locking up the team’s young core to long-term contracts.
Not only did Hart’s long-term planning result in a turnaround of the franchise (six divisional titles and two World Series appearances during Hart’s Cleveland stint), but it helped change the way teams thought about young players and long-term contracts.
Since then, signing a young player to a long-term contract several years before he hits free agency is common. Recently, the Colorado Rockies locked up Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez until at least 2020 and 2017, respectively, and the Cincinnati Reds inked NL MVP Joey Votto to a three-year, $38 million contract. In 2008, the Tampa Bay Rays didn’t even wait until Evan Longoria’s second week in the majors to sign him to a six-year deal with three club options, a contract now regarded as one of the best deals around. And Albert Pujols’s seven-year, $100 million contract turned out to be a great deal for the St. Louis Cardinals.
So who are some of the young players teams should be looking to sign now? For each player, I asked ZiPS to estimate, based on projections, up to what dollar figure a long-term contract remains a good idea for the team.
Figuring out the potential salary of free-agent years is pretty straightforward. Right now, the general consensus is that a win on the open market is worth about $4.5 million. For future years, I’m being conservative and assuming that this number increases by 5 percent a year, actually a bit below the usual growth rate. For example, that makes a win in 2013 worth just under $5 million and about $6 million for 2017.
Estimating arbitration awards is a little trickier. In the early days of salary arbitration, more cases went to an arbitrator than do nowadays. Arbitration can be a messy process and has caused bad feelings between teams and players in the past — teams are, after all, attempting to place as poor a spin on a player’s performance as possible — so both parties try to avoid arbitration hearings nowadays. A typical player is eligible for salary arbitration for three seasons (players with three to five years of service time) with the top 17 percent of Year 2 players in service time getting a fourth year of arbitration.
Historically, arbitration awards for the three years of arbitration are roughly 40 percent, 60 percent and 80 percent of a player’s value on the open market.
Let’s get to some players.
Mike Stanton, Florida Marlins
Even though trading Dan Uggla rather than extending him was the right move to make, the Marlins’ haul for their slugging second baseman was fairly unimpressive. With an already disgruntled fan base reeling from yet another Marlins salary dump, why not try to sign Stanton long-term? He still has some holes in his game, but slugging .507 in the majors at age 20 is an impressive feat. It’s no fluke, either, as the former second-round pick hit .313/.442/.729 for Double-A Jacksonville last year at an age when most players are still trying to figure out A-ball.
ZiPS agrees with the scouts about Stanton’s power potential — it’s not every day when you can envision someone hitting 50 in the majors and not feel like a daydream. ZiPS thinks he’s objectively worth six years, $50 million pre-FA and seven years, $78 million through his first free agent, so the Marlins should see if they can get him to bite at 7/65 with an option year or two. As a second-round pick with only a $475K bonus and at least two years from arbitration, getting set for life now might be pretty tempting.
Adam Jones, Baltimore Orioles
He may be regarded by some as a disappointment, but he’s a solid starter and, having just turned 25, still has a lot of potential. The Orioles are generally willing to sign their own players long-term, and with the minors having thinned out a bit, there’s no obvious better option in the future.
Jones and the Orioles agreed to a one-year, $3.25 million contract for 2011. Extending it by four years and $32 million represents a fair offer, and due to the perception of Jones not living up to the hype, the O’s might even be able to get him a bit below that figure.
Colby Rasmus, St. Louis Cardinals
The impending free agency of Albert Pujols has been the big contract focus in St. Louis, but to be perfectly frank, the team’s likely to lose money on the next Pujols contract. So it becomes important to have some cost certainty on the young players that should be part of their core for the next decade. Rasmus’ name keeps coming up in trade rumors due to some friction between him ad, but he’s a young power-hitting center fielder and not eligible yet for arbitration. ZiPS feels the Cardinals would benefit by offering up to 5/45 or 6/61. Having a young star locked up long-term may be a reasonable consolation if the team and Pujols can’t come to an agreement.
Andrew McCutchen, Pittsburgh Pirates
Like Rasmus, Andrew McCutchen is a young, solid, all-around center fielder who’s barely old enough to drink and years away from a big payday. The Pirates should be even more willing to lock McCutchen up long-term, given the miserly nature of the organization for nearly 20 years.
Andrew McCutchen could be a fixture on a developing Pirates squad, if they’re willing to ante up for him.
McCutchen’s defensive numbers were down in 2010, but it’s generally a mistake to overreact to a single year of defensive stats, and his offensive game has enough strong points to make up for less-than-stellar glovework. 6/58 gets McCutchen through his first year of free agency and if the Pirates are unwilling to sign him, is there anyone they would keep long-term?
Tommy Hanson, Atlanta Braves
Hanson is the only pitcher on this list, thanks to the general riskiness of pitchers. I considered adding Clayton Kershaw here instead, but Hanson has slightly less service time and was only a 22nd-round pick, while Kershaw may be less risk-averse due to receiving a $2.3 million signing bonus.
Hanson’s a solidly built player, and with the Braves having some old starters and some Chipper Jones dollars eventually coming off the payroll, they have the motive and opportunity to sign Hanson. ZiPS sees a five-year, $40 million contract as a fair price for signing Hanson through his arbitration years.
Elvis Andrus, Texas Rangers
Andrus may not be up to the standards of the ’90s Holy Trinity Plus 1 of A-Rod, Garciaparra, Jeter and Tejada, but he doesn’t have to be to make locking him up a good idea for the Rangers. Not a lot of players are league-average shortstops in their early 20s, and there’s every reason to expect Andrus to be worth two to three wins a year for the next decade. ZiPS suggests that the Rangers should be willing to give him $54 million for the next six years, buying out his first two years of free agency.
Buster Posey, San Francisco Giants
It’s hard to match first-round hype, but Posey managed to exceed it, hitting better and sooner than expected (.305/.357/.505) on his way to beating Heyward for the rookie of the year award. With Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum already set for life, Posey’s the best candidate on the Giants to sign long-term. ZiPS thinks that five years, $55 million or below would be a win for the Giants.
Jason Heyward, Atlanta Braves
Heyward may have lost the rookie of the year award to Posey, but he’s probably the safer bet thanks to the less physically stressful position. Just 20, Heyward showed no flaws in his game, recovering quickly from a few slumps, and even played Gold Glove defense in right, not something you often see from a guy listed at 6-foo-5, 240 pounds. The Braves have the option to sign Hanson long-term, but for Heyward, it’s a requirement rather than a choice. At this point, Atlanta could just offer Heyward 10 years at the biggest number he can think of, and even a starting point in the negotiations should be nine figures.
Dan Szymborski is an editor of Baseball Think Factory who also contributes to ESPN Insider
Quicherbichin
January 26th, 2011
6:18 am
Murph… I don’t mind Robert (Donkey on the blog) being here as long as they change the terminal in his stall to ”reafd only”… Robert wouldn’t know a good manager if one bit him on the behind and has the baseball sense of a gnat, just like his brother Mitchell.
nolie
January 26th, 2011
6:24 am
McCutchen’s defensive numbers were down in 2010, but it’s generally a mistake to overreact to a single year of defensive stats
true, but +/- shows him as rather poor both years
Prince of Alabama
January 26th, 2011
6:41 am
TP must have pictures of Chipper and Bobby!
Stinger2
January 26th, 2011
6:43 am
Never forget the game TP walked off the fied because he was mad! What a loser!! Cut him loose!
lilhomer
January 26th, 2011
6:53 am
ok, now tell me what TPs responsibilities will be…..remind the runner of how many outs…look for the sign…’get back’…tag up on a fly…and…since they hardly have infield practice after spring training, what’s his job on ‘coaching’ infielders….
lilhomer
January 26th, 2011
6:53 am
oh, yeah…hold all the protective batting gear….maybe he can’t screw that up…
space monkey
January 26th, 2011
7:13 am
Let me get this straight: We have a SS prospect who clocks 98 from the mound. Is it just me? Or do a lot of you think this guy should be on the mound?
jeffrey d
January 26th, 2011
7:19 am
I still don’t get why people think that Pendleton is the worst thing to ever happen to hitting. Because Francoeur and McLouth struggled while he was hitting coach? What about all the guys who excelled? Like McCann, Prado, Chipper, Heyward, or Infante?
Truth is, I think the hitting coach doesn’t have a huge impact on the overall performance of the team. He can’t make bad hitters good, and he can’t make good hitters bad.
richbrave
January 26th, 2011
7:19 am
WINTER BALL
MEXICO
YAQUIS lose 2-1 fall into a 2-2 tie with the ALGODONEROS.
CANIZARES 0-2, 1 SO, .200 BA.
PUERTO RICO
CF ANTOAN RICHARDSON 204, 1 R, 1 SO, .333 BA.
VENEZUELA
No games scheduled
jeffrey d
January 26th, 2011
7:20 am
There’s a lot more to pitching than fastballs, space monkey
DHD
January 26th, 2011
7:23 am
It’s a shame that Hubby lost his job because TP couldn’t do his. I wonder…….never mind.
lilhomer
January 26th, 2011
7:23 am
mccann went to his dad when he needed help….chipper has his dad….and u think heyward improved under tp?….he hit over .300 in the minors and steady went downhill under tp’s tutelage….granted the majors are different pitchers…but he struggled…and tp didnt seem to help him…
jeffrey d
January 26th, 2011
7:29 am
Oh okay, so every bad thing that happened with the Braves was Pendleton’s fault, but all the good things can be explained by other reasons.
Got it.
jeffrey d
January 26th, 2011
7:34 am
he hit over .300 in the minors and steady went downhill under tp’s tutelage
Okay, he was an All Star, was among the OF leaders in OPS, and had an incredible rookie season. You’re saying if TP wasn’t his hitting coach, he would’ve hit .400 while setting the single season homerun record by May? What do you think TP is telling this guy? “Okay, when the ball hits the dirt, that’s when you swing.
You don’t think the decline in his average could have anything to do with him facing guys like Roy Halladay in the majors instead of guys like Blaine Boyer in the minors?
jeffrey d
January 26th, 2011
7:35 am
Enough with the scapegoaters, I’ve got enough crazies at the carnival.
UGASlobberknocker
January 26th, 2011
7:35 am
TP was a great Braves player at a time we needed someone like him, and I am fine with him as 1b coach, but he was no hitting coach. He proved it every year as players would get into bad habits and stay there. Others sought advice elsewhere. So…lovya TP, but pls, no more hitting advice.
lilhomer
January 26th, 2011
7:44 am
knocker…i agree…..jeff, give up ur man love for TP…he’s not a good hitting coach….in my opinion, he’s got the ‘entitlement’ logic…the braves ‘owe’ him…he led them in the early 90s…he LIVES here…give me a break
davidingeorgia
January 26th, 2011
8:01 am
That Hubbard is out of a job and Pendleton is still employed is a travesty. Tells you all you need to know about how the Braves (still) operate. No matter how incompetent you are, if you kiss up to the right people, you’ll keep your job, no matter what. I just hope the new manager has enough sense to keep Pendleton way the heck away from the batting cage. If he’s caught uttering a word of advice on hitting to anyone, that should be cause for immediate termination. Fond memories from 1991 don’t mean TP is qualified to coach baseball. He’s proven – repeatedly – that he’s not up to a major league job.
O'flarity's water bottle
January 26th, 2011
8:20 am
davidingeorgia
January 26th, 2011
8:01 am
I agree with you. Good/great players do not equal good/great teachers.
danbo
January 26th, 2011
8:25 am
Maybe he will be out of the way at first. He screwed up many good batters.
lilhomer
January 26th, 2011
8:35 am
wonder what’ gonna happen when the opposition starts ‘picking off’ the runners at first…surely it won’t be tp’s fault…’they just don’t listen’….i can hear it now…
Couch Tater
January 26th, 2011
8:48 am
According to The Harris Poll of 2,331 adults surveyed online between December 6 and 13, 2010. Pro Football is the favorite.
I’m curious whether the survey is skewed because of the timing. Not much baseball on the tube in December. Would the numbers be the same, if the survey was conducted in October when there is baseball and football? How about during the madness of March?
Anyway…
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/mid/1508/articleId/675/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/Default.aspx
Carolina Braves Fan
January 26th, 2011
8:53 am
CR- Your Blogs have so much more depth and breadth than any of the spew churned up by your counterpart. Your blogs are informative, detailed and well written. You are an asset to AJC and I think you should get a raise and a promotion for your efforts. Your blogs are filled with substance and nuggets of information. Enjoy the rest of your week.
Lew
January 26th, 2011
9:06 am
It isn’t DOB’s “Spew” which tends to stick to your shoes on this blog. It’s the ankle deep idiocy that appears on a way too regular basis.
bravofan
January 26th, 2011
9:07 am
just felt the need to say how much I hate ESPN insider it sucks!!!!!
McFann O O
January 26th, 2011
9:07 am
keylargo—
That Fort-Jefferson looks amazing…LOVE the color of the water around it!
So do you own your own plane? I guess…if you have a pilot’s license, cann you could buy one sort of like someone buys a car, only way more expensive?
Trey—
We went to DC back in October, 2005, but didn’t get to the Smithsonian. We hope to go back someday, though.
McFann O O
January 26th, 2011
9:09 am
CBF Your blogs are informative, detailed and well written.
Very true. But so are DOB’s.
E-6
January 26th, 2011
9:11 am
OK, here’s the scoop. Glen Hubbard has left baseball to fulfill a lifelong ambition of locating Amelia Earhart. Seriously, does anyone know why a virtual Braves lifer is cut loose without so much as a roving instructor job or whatever? Seems pretty shabby.
bravofan
January 26th, 2011
9:13 am
has anyone been to citizens bank in Philly? Im going Monday September 5th when they play our Braves!!
Any tips on places to stay? good eats ? anything im open to it
David O'Brien
January 26th, 2011
9:15 am
CR- Your Blogs have so much more depth and breadth than any of the spew churned up by your counterpart. Your blogs are informative, detailed and well written. You are an asset to AJC and I think you should get a raise and a promotion for your efforts. Your blogs are filled with substance and nuggets of information. Enjoy the rest of your week. — Carolina Braves Fan
Enjoy the rest of your week, too, Carolina Braves Fan. I’m guessing you didn’t make it to the Hot Stove League banquet Monday in Wilson, N.C.?
Couch Tater
January 26th, 2011
9:17 am
Lew – That was probably DOB’s mom. He probably spewed Parker sauce on her carpet again.
bravofan
January 26th, 2011
9:17 am
DOB 1 Carolina Braves Fan 0
Thanks for the work you do that goes unnoticed!!
Nova Scotia Steve
January 26th, 2011
9:18 am
I was also extremely disappointed to hear Glen Hubbard was let go…that’s business tho I guess – the greasy part.
Lew
January 26th, 2011
9:21 am
Haven’t heard a thing about what happened re: Hub, but let’s not discount the possibility that he didn’t want to come back – for one reason or another – or wasn’t interested in what they might have offered to him (if they did).
Not saying this is what happened, but……
Not Feelin' So Hot P-Town Brave ©
January 26th, 2011
9:25 am
Good Morning All
Carroll-
Thanks for the heads up…
Curious…are either you or DOB available on that 11th or 12th in Orlando?
Would just like to know where I can pop in and introduce myself…
And yes, I’m still sick…even more sick after hearing from Robert all day…
The guy had no credibility to begin with, but went further down the rabbit hole when he made the statement that Bonds had no idea what he was putting into his body…
Wow Robert…even your Cox argument thinks that statement is weak!
Nova Scotia Steve
January 26th, 2011
9:26 am
Lew – I thought about that as well. But I guess Freddie had to make some changes when he came in – brought in some of his own guys and who knows maybe him and TP were really close.
Closer than say Hubbard – who knows what goes on behind the scenes sometimes. Even the media doesn’t get every story.
Lew
January 26th, 2011
9:31 am
NSS- You’re right about that. Still trying to figure out what happened with Pat Corrales.
Not Feelin' So Hot P-Town Brave ©
January 26th, 2011
9:40 am
NS Steve & Lew-
Didn’t Fredi buy TP a HD hog when he was here?
Lew
January 26th, 2011
9:46 am
PTown – Someone bought someone a bike for one reason or another (like a uniform number change), but I’m not sure it was Freddi and TP.
CB
January 26th, 2011
9:54 am
Brian Jordan bought Fredi a motorcycle,I think it was for giving up his uniform number.
Brave New World
January 26th, 2011
9:58 am
Terry Pendelton was one of the smarter players in MLB and fundamentally very sound. Like any hitting coach, some of the players did well and some not so well. In the case of Andruw and Frenchy, I’m not sure TP could do much to help them – they both thought their immense natural talent transcended any hitting coach’s insight, and that is why they will be remembered as great talents who never fulfilled their enormous potential.
Arkansas Transplant
January 26th, 2011
9:59 am
Boy, I was really surprised by Teheran’s ranking at number 10. I was really figuring to see him in the top 3. But I guess that’s no more surprising than seeing Freeman at 17. That should bring a lot more encouragement to those that were concerned about him taking over at first next season.
Not Feelin' So Hot P-Town Brave ©
January 26th, 2011
10:03 am
BNW-
While that may be true and not to split hairs here, but can you name many that while TP was here got better?
And note: You can not say Brian McCann as he has been known to receive the majority of his instruction from his dad.
Not Feelin' So Hot P-Town Brave ©
January 26th, 2011
10:04 am
AT-
Number 10 on what exactly?
Not Feelin' So Hot P-Town Brave ©
January 26th, 2011
10:06 am
BTW, anyone who is interested, my dad just completed his 1st day of the Inaugural Braves Fantasy Camp down in Orlando…
He got to eat dinner with Greg McMichael, Sid Bream, Steve Avery, and more…
I am getting my updates from my mom through email, so I will let you know more when I receive it…
Sounds like an absolute blast though so far.
DAP
January 26th, 2011
10:07 am
space monkey We have a SS prospect who clocks 98 from the mound. Is it just me? Or do a lot of you think this guy should be on the mound?
not enough information. is it straight, or does it have movement? can he throw it for strikes? are there any other pitches he is able to throw? would he physically be able to throw 100 pitches, or several days in a row? is his hitting and fielding more impressive than his gas?
Not Feelin' So Hot P-Town Brave ©
January 26th, 2011
10:08 am
DAP-
From what I have read, theyre hoping his hitting comes around, but if it doesn’t he will probably end up a pitcher…my guess would be a reliever but who really knows right now…
Fish Bisch
January 26th, 2011
10:09 am
TP would be better at thrid base this year than the current guy penciled in.
lilhomer
January 26th, 2011
10:09 am
@not feeling….i agree…i don’t think anyone can name a player who’s gotten better thru tp’s coaching…at least now he’ll have to get out of the dugout during the game..stay away from the sunflower seeds..don’t think i ever saw him ‘coaching’ a hitter in the dugout…always leaning on the fence and spitting seeds….
Just wonder
January 26th, 2011
10:11 am
Why all the talk about TP? Don’t the Braves have something more interesting to blog about.
Steve McP
January 26th, 2011
10:16 am
Just wonder
January 26th, 2011
10:11 am
Why all the talk about TP? Don’t the Braves have something more interesting to blog about.
No – it’s the off season, Pitchers and Catchers do not report for another 3 weeks, Wren has made most of the moves he is going to make.
But there was an interesting discussion of Egg Salad yesterday.
RC
January 26th, 2011
10:18 am
DAP,
Braves orginally draft Simmons as a pitcher, but in order to sign he wanted to be given a chance to play SS. It’s a little bit like the Casey Kelly situation with Boston, where they will give him the opportunity to play SS but also have the pitcher plan as backup (Kelly revert to pitching full-time last year).
Also, Simmons was rated by many analysts as the best defensive SS prospect in the entire draft. So even if they bat never becomes great, it doesn’t have to be great for him to be an above average major league SS.
Robert
January 26th, 2011
10:18 am
When I read the title of the article I couldnt help but to have a vision of Pendleton standing in front of the mirror, practicing waving the runner and holding the runner
Lew
January 26th, 2011
10:18 am
PTown- I really don’t understand this “Dad was his hitting coach” bull. Like I said last night – Chipper’s Dad runs Chipper’s ranch and Mac’s Daddy runs his own school. They are NOT at the stadium every day. They aren’t at Spring Training. They don’t travel with the team. They aren’t sitting at the cages while the players hit.
TP is at the batting cage from February til the end of the season – Dad’s are not.
Those two may get some info from their respective Fathers and maybe ask for help on a protracted slump because of their familiarity with Chipper and Mac, but it’s TP who is with them constantly all season long..
DAP
January 26th, 2011
10:18 am
E-6 Seriously, does anyone know why a virtual Braves lifer is cut loose without so much as a roving instructor job or whatever? Seems pretty shabby.
i dont know and we probably never will. could have been personality clashes with the new manager, for all we know. its to bad for hubby. i do wish he would have been offered some soft of position in the organization….but again, there is no telling what happened behind the scenes.
p-town but can you name many that while TP was here got better?
off the top of my head, jd drew, edgar renteria, matt diaz, david ross, javy lopez, martin prado… theres a handful for you.
TennesseePaul
January 26th, 2011
10:20 am
is his hitting and fielding more impressive than his gas? … what’s the depth at SS in the system?…