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nolie
January 29th, 2011
4:34 am
Cash works too MiBF
MIBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
4:34 am
And then Tom comes in with an old high ball! Ouch!
nolie
January 29th, 2011
4:35 am
I hit 668 one year in HS hag….
MIBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
4:36 am
“nolie
January 29th, 2011
4:34 am
Cash works too MiBF”
Always . . . .
haggard
January 29th, 2011
4:40 am
Jesse Stone:”I made it as far as Double A before I blew my shoulder out”‘
Friend: “I got signed as a pitcher. I just wasn’t good enough. Do you miss it?’
Jesse Stone: “Everyday”.
.440 AM- Good morning Hugh Duffy !
Gotcha Tom O’ !
haggard
January 29th, 2011
4:41 am
Did Cash play baseball too?
haggard
January 29th, 2011
4:43 am
nolie
Were you and the aforementioned–thanks to Tom O’ Hawke–Hugh Duffy on the same team?
MIBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
4:43 am
And that’s why he’s “haggard” . . . .
nolie
January 29th, 2011
4:45 am
yeah but Hugh was just a freshman
haggard
January 29th, 2011
4:45 am
Question: What baseball player’s picture does Jesse Stone have framed on the wall in his house?
haggard
January 29th, 2011
4:46 am
MIBravesFan @ 4:43
That’s good……..I think!
haggard
January 29th, 2011
4:48 am
Tom O’Hawke
Wake Karen up. I’ll be she’s a Tom Selleck fan and knows the answer.
Tom O'Hawke
January 29th, 2011
4:49 am
I hit 668 one year in HS hag….
Save it for now, nolie. If he comes back, we’ll start him on the Minors’ first. Then College & HS. Eventually, we’ll get to Little League and then sandlot.
I’ve accrued enough stats to keep him up until almost noon.
Question: What baseball player’s picture does Jesse Stone have framed on the wall in his house
Don’t know, or should I say, remember, haggard. Being I’ve seen all of the movies. Just a guess, Yas?
MIBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
4:49 am
It was . . . . Now you’re preening, and that’s not.
haggard
January 29th, 2011
4:50 am
nolie
All kidding aside; you hurt your shoulder in college, right? What operation– avaliable today–would have put you back on the field?
Tom O'Hawke
January 29th, 2011
4:52 am
Wait, didn’t Jesse Stone come from LA? That would mean a Dodger or Angel player, right? I’m guessing a Dodger. Is that correct, haggard?
haggard
January 29th, 2011
4:53 am
Tom O’Hawke
Not Yaz, though the town Stone’s police chief of isn’t far from Boston. I’ll give you a hint: He played in the other league and was a San Diego Padre at one time. Plus, he’s an all-time great.
Tom O'Hawke
January 29th, 2011
4:54 am
haggard, nolie did more than hurt his shoulder.
nolie
January 29th, 2011
4:55 am
not quite hag, I was thrown and trampled by an Appaloosa colt I was breaking. Not sure any operation ever available would likely have repaired it enough. Whole upper arm is still full of screws and metal
Tom O'Hawke
January 29th, 2011
4:55 am
haggard, Steve Garvey?
haggard
January 29th, 2011
4:56 am
Vet: “Just asking; have you ever bred this dog? I was just noticing he’s never been neutered”
Jesse Stone: “Somehow the name Boomer wouldn’t seem right without testicles”.
MIBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
4:57 am
Nolie, I’m sorry about what happened
haggard
January 29th, 2011
4:58 am
Tom O’Hawke
Not Garvey. However, he was an infielder.
MIBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
4:59 am
Well the world knows Steve Garvey didn’t lack his testicles, don’t we?
haggard
January 29th, 2011
4:59 am
nolie
I’d remembered your extensive work with horses–and as a caddy. I just took for granted the shoulder was hurt playing ball.
Tom O'Hawke
January 29th, 2011
5:00 am
nolie
Sorry about answering haggard’s question for you, but I wasn’t sure if you were still here. Most sensible people and even most idiots have already gone to bed.
I luv you guys!
haggard
January 29th, 2011
5:00 am
MIBravesFan
LOL !
Tom O'Hawke
January 29th, 2011
5:01 am
Oooo, oooo, Mr. Kotter, how about “The Wizard of Oz”?
MIBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
5:02 am
And where does that leave me, Tom? See if I ever say anything nice about the Packers again!@
haggard
January 29th, 2011
5:03 am
“How come I feel like a kid at summer camp?”–Steve Martin, Planes, Trains, & Automobiles
haggard
January 29th, 2011
5:04 am
“Oooo, oooo, Mr. Kotter, how about “The Wizard of Oz”?”–Tom O’Hawke
We have a winner !!
nolie
January 29th, 2011
5:05 am
nah still listening to Timbuk 3 Tom
MIBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
5:07 am
Nolie I’m listening to U2 – “Peace on Earth”
Tom O'Hawke
January 29th, 2011
5:08 am
Thank ya, thank ya very much. I probably couldn’t have done it without the 458 hints from haggard.
MIBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
5:08 am
“Their lives are bigger than any big idea .. . .”
haggard
January 29th, 2011
5:10 am
Nonsense Tom O’Hawke You could have really been off base and guessed Gary Templeton.
nolie
January 29th, 2011
5:11 am
OK finally finished all my Timbuk 3, listening to Azzholes one more time. I guess y’all can tell I’m a big fan. anyway I’m hittin’ the hay. G’nite y’all.
haggard
January 29th, 2011
5:11 am
Who was Templeton traded away from San Diego for?
MIBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
5:13 am
Good night and good tomorrow, nolie
haggard
January 29th, 2011
5:13 am
Goodnight nolie, good man.
haggard
January 29th, 2011
5:15 am
Let me re-phrase: Who was Templeton traded TO San Diego for?
Voice of Harold
January 29th, 2011
5:22 am
Ozzie Smith, right?
Tom O'Hawke
January 29th, 2011
5:24 am
Nonsense Tom O’Hawke You could have really been off base and guessed Gary Templeton.
Not when you gave the hint, Plus, he’s an all-time great
Wasn’t Templeton traded, along with others, for The Wizard?
Tom O'Hawke
January 29th, 2011
5:28 am
OK finally finished all my Timbuk 3, listening to Azzholes one more time
Did he mean the name of the song, or us? Oh well, either way, good night, nolie.
MIBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
5:29 am
How many days is it until pitchers and catchers report?
haggard
January 29th, 2011
5:30 am
Voice of Harold and Tom O’Hawke
Both of you are right on.
MIBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
5:34 am
We need baseball. Players warming up on the field. Spring. We need baseball in the now (if not the here).
haggard
January 29th, 2011
5:37 am
MIBravesFan
Don’t pitchers and catchers report the second week in Feb., sometime around Valentine’s Day?
haggard
January 29th, 2011
5:38 am
Voice of Harold
Where does the name come from? Have you ever seen the movie “Harold and Maude”?
MIBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
5:38 am
I know
It just doesn’t seem soon enough! 
Tom O'Hawke
January 29th, 2011
5:44 am
We need baseball. Players warming up on the field. Spring. We need baseball in the now (if not the here).
I have an idea, MIBravesFan. Let us all get some sleep, and try to wake up after the pitchers and catchers report. It’s not that far away.
I’m going to give it a shot, starting ….. good night, MIB & haggard ……… now.
haggard
January 29th, 2011
5:44 am
MIBravesFan
I know what you mean. Last week I spent a couple of days in Macon and dropped by Mercer University to watch some of the players go through light drills. The practice mounds were close to a brick wall, the sun was out, my seat was comfortable, and the echo as the ball hit the catcher;s mitt made me hungry for the game.
MIBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
5:44 am
So haggard, what’s your favorite song?
haggard
January 29th, 2011
5:47 am
Good night Tom O’Hawke. I think I’ll close the other eye now and hit the sack.
Good night MiBravesFan. Keep the coffee warm for the morning crew.
MIBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
5:49 am
Sorry – I didn’t see your post before I posted. But I also just want baseball back. On the field. Players playing the game. Off-season stuff over. Let’s go. Let’s see what we have and go from there. Let it be spring!!
haggard
January 29th, 2011
6:08 am
MiBravesFan
If you’re still awake, that was some interesting information about “Danny Boy” earlier. Thank you. And a favorite song? Well, it depends on what genre. A couple of days ago I was in a drugstore, they had the radio tuned to a classic rock station, and while Bob Seeger’s “Against The Wind” played I was reminded again of how much I like that song, (”Wish I didn’t know now what I didn’t know then”.). Then there was the other night, when I heard Stephane Grappelli play “Misty” as a guest with The David Grisman Quintet” What about you?.
Shaun
January 29th, 2011
8:39 am
I would not say that this is one of those issues where I know what I see – in other words, let’s try and prove or disprove this hypothesis
So go to it, sabermetric guys
Of course, there’s still an issue with stats and sabermetrics – I contend that you tell me what you want me to “prove” and give me a data bank of stats – and I can find the stats to give you the proof you want to see
Robert, WHIP is flawed exactly because of the reasons you point out. Hits depend a lot on defense and just pure luck. Again, as far as a pitcher is concerned, there is not much difference between a grounder just out of the reach of an infielder and a ground just within reach of an infielder that becomes an out.
Robert, allow me to explain how serious research works. No one finds something that they want to prove and uses the data to prove it. Or if they do, they are obviously using the data the wrong way and they are not serious researchers. When serious researchers look at something like whether a player has a knack for over- or under-performing in pressure or clutch situations, they go into it with skepticism and try to answer the question, “Do certain players have a knack for over- or under-performing in the clutch?” They try to gather up as much data as possible that can answer the question with either a yes or a no. They don’t pretend going in (like many of you) that they know for sure that certain players do or don’t have a knack for clutch or pressure performance. They go in wanting to find the answer to the question. They don’t assume they have the answers going in. They realize that they have to look for the answer by gathering as much information as they possibly can. If they have an opinion going in and the data and evidence doesn’t support their opinion, tough. And they realize it’s tough.
Here’s a question: What incentive does anyone have to pretend that certain players do or don’t have a knack for coming through in the clutch or in pressure situations? Do you think it’s some conspiracy among folks who have looked into the issue in depth? What would be the reason? Because apparently you think there are groups of people who want to spread this grand lie about whether players have a knack for coming through in the clutch or under pressure.
Efrim
January 29th, 2011
8:56 am
The clutch discussion is always a fun one to read on here. Personally, I lean more in Shaun’s court, but I’m not nearly convinced of that thinking as he is. I want the best player up in a high leverage situation, not the guy that might be considered more gritty, and “clutch”. Whatever. Anyway, here are Baseball American’s Top 30 Braves prospects….stuff I like talking about more than whether “clutch” is real or not:
1. Julio Teheran, RHP
2. Freddie Freeman, 1B
3. Randall Delgado, RHP
4. Mike Minor, LHP
5. Craig Kimbrel, RHP
6. Matt Lipka, SS
7. Arodys Vizcaino, RHP
8. Brandon Beachy, RHP
9. Brett Oberholtzer, LHP
10. J.J. Hoover, RHP
11. Carlos Perez, LHP
12. Christian Betancourt, C
13. Erik Cordier, RHP
14. Tyler Pastornicky, SS
15. Andrelton Simmons, SS
16. Edward Salcedo, SS(3B)
17. David Hale, RHP
18. Dimasther Delgado, LHP
19. Mycal Jones, 2B/SS/(CF)
20. Todd Cunningham, OF
21. Elmer Reyes, 2B
22. Adam Milligan, OF
23. Joe Leonard, 3B
24. David Filak, RHP
25. Phil Gosselin, 2B
26. Paul Clemens, RHP
27. Juan Abreu, RHP
28. Brett Butts, RHP
29. Cory Harrilchak, OF
30. Richard Sullivan, LHP
Bryan
January 29th, 2011
9:07 am
For all the good music in Atlanta . . . heading out to Nasville to see the Drive-By Truckers and Futurebirds at Cannery Ballroom. Really enjoying the new DBT and can’t wait to hear the ‘birds in a great venue like the Ballroom.
28 days to spring training.
Efrim
January 29th, 2011
9:12 am
Among those 30 players, three stand out as definitely not being eligible for next years list: Freddie Freeman, Mike Minor and Craig Kimbrel. One most likely not: Brandon Beachy. And another in Erik Cordier, who I can see being brought up to work out of the Braves pen at some point during 2011….just not sure if he’ll pass the innings/service time limit.
Lew
January 29th, 2011
9:24 am
“Bradley Delp was a helluva singer…..the man could sing a melody.”
Apparently you never saw him perform live. Ask Flange or anyone else who saw Boston at UGA in 78 – Dude didn’t hit a good note all night. Worst show I’ve ever seen.
Efrim
January 29th, 2011
9:30 am
And while these prospects lists are a lot of fun to discuss, let’s remember Johnny Venters was #30 on Baseball America’s Top 30 Braves prospects in 2010…..
jeffrey d
January 29th, 2011
9:30 am
Sorry to anyone wanting to get Pujols in our fantasy league this year. Just read this headline on Yahoo
Ward first in All-Star fantasy draft
I do think it’s odd that they’ve already set the order this early, though.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=ArimT.uBgVKsaEbCIvtXBiI5nYcB?slug=ap-allstardraft
VaBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
9:37 am
Do yall think the Cardinals are gonna sign Pujols? Your talking about possibly a 10 year deal worth 275 to 300 million with tons of Milestones bonuses. Which means his contract would run til he’s 42 years old. Pujols has already said he will veto any trade, so its a long term deal or free agency after this season. St.Louis could be stuck with just 2 draft picks.
jeffrey d
January 29th, 2011
9:41 am
I hate that the MLBPA is so powerful, because these contracts are beyond out of control. Paying anyone $30 million anually for ten years is absurd.
Braveheart
January 29th, 2011
9:44 am
I hate that the MLBPA is so powerful, because these contracts are beyond out of control. Paying anyone $30 million anually for ten years is absurd
blame yourself, not the union. misplaced rage
jeffrey d
January 29th, 2011
9:45 am
I mean, are A-Rod and Pujols hiring Oprah as their personal chefs?
jeffrey d
January 29th, 2011
9:46 am
Good point. Way to drop the ball on the oversized salaries, jeffrey d.
Efrim
January 29th, 2011
9:48 am
VaBravesfan, I think they’ll sign him. But it’s going to be a real top heavy roster with Pujols, Holliday, Wainwright and Carpenter making a ton of money with little left for other spots. Of course, that’s a pretty good place to be in. That’s a damn good group.
Lew
January 29th, 2011
9:48 am
What killed any hope of salary sanity was Collusion. It scared the Owners that no matter what they did, they’d end up paying for it, so they decided if they had to spend anyway, they’d spend it on buying players.
CB
January 29th, 2011
9:49 am
Oprah could buy A-rod and Pujols as her personal chefs. Both of them.
Braveheart
January 29th, 2011
9:51 am
no, jeffery, you repeatedly drop the ball on understanding that issue. the money is already made because you, me and everyone else handed the owners the money. would you rather the players not get it? you’d rather have that money sit in the pockets of billionaire owners?
richbrave
January 29th, 2011
9:53 am
Efrim
January 29th, 2011
9:30 am
And while these prospects lists are a lot of fun to discuss, let’s remember Johnny Venters was #30 on Baseball America’s Top 30 Braves prospects in 2010…..
Now that’s more to the point. With these young guys you just never know. All these prognostications are just that……….so many words in the wind.
richbrave
January 29th, 2011
9:54 am
Braveheart
January 29th, 2011
9:51 am
no, jeffery, you repeatedly drop the ball on understanding that issue. the money is already made because you, me and everyone else handed the owners the money. would you rather the players not get it? you’d rather have that money sit in the pockets of billionaire owners?
Only if I am one……..b-owners that is.
richbrave
January 29th, 2011
9:59 am
CB
January 29th, 2011
9:49 am
Oprah could buy A-rod and Pujols as her personal chefs. Both of them.
And what pray vtell might they be able to “cook” up for her…….hummm?
Efrim
January 29th, 2011
10:03 am
Wow, is it dark days ahead for the Mets or what? Although, a lot of Met fans will love when the Wilpons sell the team. Still, it could take a while to get that figured out, and that team has around 60 million guaranteed to players next year, so you’d think next offseason would be a good place for Alderson to put a stake in the ground. But who knows if that will be feasible now. As much as I think Jose Reyes is overrated, the Mets really need to resign that guy. Seeing him walk would be a crushing blow to the Met fan base and their chances in 2012, 2013, 2014…..
Coach (2011 and Fredi G. a GO!)
January 29th, 2011
10:14 am
Actually, if one really thinks about the burgeoning salaries over the years, it has much to do with the television market. As in Ted Turner who revolutionized the industry by broadcasting TBS nationwide. Turner put cable on the map and now we have satellite dishes. Not to mention the internet which also broadcasts games.
Simply put, the players salaries come from the owners, who receive hundreds of millions from cable and satellite networks. Who in turn get their money from guess who? Yep, that would be us, the television and internet consumer. So if you have a bill for TV and internet, Albert Pujols says thank you very much.
jeffrey d
January 29th, 2011
10:15 am
I never said I don’t understand the issue, I said I don’t like it.
jeffrey d
January 29th, 2011
10:16 am
In 1990, the highest MLB payroll was $23.6 million by….ready? The Kansas City Royals.
jeffrey d
January 29th, 2011
10:18 am
http://www.baseballchronology.com/Baseball/Years/1990/Payroll.asp
Braveheart
January 29th, 2011
10:39 am
MLB generated $7 billion in revenue last year. Players should get paid the $3 billion they are currently being paid, but the owners should be smarter about how they distribute that money between the players. The best way to cut down on outrageous salaries by the likes of Arod or Pujols would be to dramatically change the way players are paid during their first 6 or 7 years of service time. If more money were spent there, then less money would be available to spend on Arod and Pujols. Free agents get paid almost twice what their actual value is in the current system. If you paid the players in their first 2, 3 or 4 seasons of service time in accordance with their actual value, you wouldn’t have to pay players with more than 6 or 7 years of service time almost twice what their actual value is. But alot of teams like the system the way is now. They like young, cheap labor. Not sure that many of the small market teams could survive if the salaries were more evenly distributed in accordance with actual value.
flange1
January 29th, 2011
10:43 am
Lew,
SO true!
Boston at UGA in 78 with Sammy Hagar.
Worst show I have ever seen. I have seen some bad ones too!
jeffrey d
January 29th, 2011
10:47 am
Oprah could buy A-rod and Pujols as her personal chefs. Both of them.
I’d rather have VJ.
tiger297
January 29th, 2011
10:52 am
BH – I’m right there with you on that. I don’t think its the total payout that needs to change (b/c if the player or owner gets it is completely irrelevant to me). I don’t think there is any way to convince me that the difference between performance of the highest and lowest paid player is justified ($30M to $400K right).
Venice Jim
January 29th, 2011
10:54 am
My asking price is pretty high, jeffrey…
Lew
January 29th, 2011
11:02 am
And yet how many complaints have we seen on this forum about Direct TV (or one of them not cable) cancelling the Extra Innings Package? The demand is there and people are more than willing to pay for the privilege of watching.
Hate to say I agree with Coach on anything, but he’s right here. If you don’t like how much they’re making, quit paying for the commodity and find another leisure activity that doesn’t cost so much.
If, however, you want to keep watching baseball at this level (along with the rest of us that do), quit griping. It’s your money that’s feeding the fire.
Pat
January 29th, 2011
11:03 am
1B coach, the least important job in baseball. It’s a place to put a old retired baseball player to help him out and give him something to do. TP should have had some pride and left the Braves.
jeffrey d
January 29th, 2011
11:04 am
I thought we were talking theoretically
Lew
January 29th, 2011
11:07 am
jeffrey d- Well, unless you’ve got the juice to change the system, it IS theoretical. Just saying that as long as the revenue stream is there, the salaries will reflect how much the industry is making – mainly because they do have a strong union and that the owners, when they DID attempt to put the brakes on spending, had it shoved up their bank accounts with collusion.
jeffrey d
January 29th, 2011
11:09 am
Oh, I meant theoretically with the personal chefs.
Lew
January 29th, 2011
11:09 am
jeffrey d – Nevermind.
VaBravesFan
January 29th, 2011
11:10 am
I think there’s a decent chance he doesnt sign and end up signing with the Dodgers in the offseason. You think being the best player in baseball that they would have hammered out a deal already. I’m sure the Cardinals dont want to give him anything more than 7 years.
jeffrey d
January 29th, 2011
11:13 am
And I know that baseball (and all of the big 4 professional sports in America) generate a lot of money through attendance, media deals, etc. I understand that a guy who can hit a baseball like Pujols is going to profit greatly from the sport. I know it’s not going to change, but the enormous gap between professional athlete and civilian just irks me a little. How people like police officers, firemen, and carnies are making a fraction of what A-Rod is making.
jeffrey d
January 29th, 2011
11:14 am
VaBravesFan – I’ve heard Pujols say several times he wants to be a Cardinal for the rest of his career. I really can’t see him signing with any other team.
Lew
January 29th, 2011
11:17 am
jeffrey d- It’s because people are willing to buy that TV package, but are unwilling to pay more in taxes to cover the teachers, etc.
Maybe if Little Johnny’s teacher could hit for power and had a decent OBP?
Lew
January 29th, 2011
11:18 am
And I also think artists should make more money, too.
MikeInFl
January 29th, 2011
11:19 am
Baseball’s payscale makes a lot more sense (to me) than the NFL or NBA, where unproven guys get more money than 6-year vets who have proven their worth.
It’s all kinda’ mindboggling, but I do like the fact that a player has to prove his value for a few years before being set for life. Of course, with the ballooning signing bonuses kids are getting, that’s becoming more of a myth too.
jeffrey d
January 29th, 2011
11:20 am
Lew – I completely understand why. And I’m guilty of it too. I don’t mean to come off as self-righteous or anything.
And I also think artists should make more money, too.
jeffrey d
January 29th, 2011
11:21 am
Baseball’s payscale makes a lot more sense (to me) than the NFL
Yeah, in his rookie season in 2008, didn’t Matt Ryan make more than Peyton Manning?
jeffrey d
January 29th, 2011
11:22 am
No, Tom Brady.