5:46 pm January 25, 2011, by Carroll Rogers
January 27th, 20119:39 am
Off the subject a little bit (okay, a lot), who is it at the AJC that is obsessed with stories of dogs being killed or injured? Every day there is another story about something bad that happens to a dog, and then they keep it in the front page headlines for about 3 days. They’re not even local stories half of the time. Log in to the AJC website and you can pretty much be assured of at least one story about something bad happening to a dog. Why????????????
January 27th, 20119:43 am
gotta pick up my game, Bravesone!…..got a ways to go to catch Roberto….
Ease® in Woodstock
January 27th, 20119:52 am
I had a pitching coach in college “order” me to plunk a guy in the batter’s box! I drew the line at that and kind of half heartedly threw some spinners his way, but nothing serious. There was no real reason too, except he had burned us a couple of time during the year.
January 27th, 20119:57 am
richbrave – I have alluded to Tomlin being a William and Mary guy several times here – I saw him play many times…
January 27th, 20119:59 am
BTW – I absolutely LOVE egg salad. Sorry for being late on that conversation…
January 27th, 201110:00 am
so did any bloggers go to this week’s Braves fantasy camp in Orlando? Now that would be impressive.
I went to band camp instead.
January 27th, 201110:05 am
Ward, we hardly knew Ye. RIP. I’ll play some Dimmu Borgir later today to speed you on your way.
Only sixth highest poster out of 155? If I stayed up later, I could be Number 1. Damn, If not for Blood Pressure meds, I coulda been a contenda.
Carroll Rogers, I was within seconds of hitting the confirmation button to attend the camp but the wife thought it would be best if I had off a year because of finances and the health issues with my father. But I was almost there!
January 27th, 201110:06 am
Ease – Quit playing your flute.
January 27th, 2011
What are you talking about here? did I miss something?
January 27th, 201110:08 am
Lew – Its a horn type thing, not a flute…And I am loving tooting it…Thinking I should buy one of my own…
January 27th, 201110:09 am
McFann: loved the winter pictures on your photo bucket. It appears that you have quite the animal attraction. Living in Pierson Fl we don’t get snow, but I do enjoy the view from others POV.
January 27th, 201110:10 am
Watched the BYU game to see Jimmer. What a shooter; finds space and shoots quick. 42 of teams 71 points. Has a good supporting cast, too. They will be a factor at end of the year. Playing at BYU altitude is a positive for conditioning in March Madness.
January 27th, 201110:11 am
Transplant – It pays to read the over nights – sometimes. Not sure which part you mean, but the list was a Braveheart post about frequency of posts on the blog. The Ward thing? Go back and read. Too much for me to recount.
January 27th, 201110:14 am
Lew – It was a Bravesone post…Braveheart would have post something more significant and intellectual.
January 27th, 201110:16 am
Lew – remember its all about timing when the score was taken…do it about noon and I bet you finish much higher
January 27th, 201110:18 am
I hope the Robert rants are over. What the Bobby haters seem to not understand – Deciding wheather to leave a particular player (fielder/pitcher/hitter) in a game at a particular time is a very small part of their job. Running the team as a whole, dealing with individual players and their personal situations on and off the field is the primary job, anbd where Cox has always excelled. This is one primary reason (along with excellent work by JS, scouts, and player developement) for the 14 straight years of excellence. This is what real baseball people realize when they consider Cox one of the greatest managers of all time.
I will add that many players (like Maddox, for example) decided to come here, or stay here (i.e. Chipper) largely because of Cox, or at least that’s what THEY said with their own mouths.
Usually Ward is so all over the place with his postings I usually just glance over them. I was beginning to believe he and Robert were jekyll and hyde.
"Not Feelin So Hot" P-Town Brave ©
January 27th, 201110:19 am
Actually, my dad is down there right now…
I’m getting email updates from my mom…
Sounds like he’s having a blast!
January 27th, 201110:20 am
tiger- Yeah, I just can’t compete with the Night Shift, though – all that late night manic energy and strem of one liners……..
Someone get Nate some clippers and scissors…
The Conan O’Brien look doesnt work for him…
January 27th, 201110:23 am
PTown- Yeah, but Conan made a comeback. Maybe the look will inspire Nate.
January 27th, 201110:25 am
P&Cs reporting soon! Then ST. I can hardly wait. Braves will be fun to watch this year.
In the mean time, I can stay busy this weekend with the NHL allstar activities all weekend. I’ll be watching my favorites perform, including our super rookie Jeff Skinner, who was just added to the roster. An ALLSTAR at age 18. Does it get better than that? Fan Fair, in addition to actual game and skills competition, going on from tomorrow afternoon through actual game on Sunday.
Then next weekend is the Super Bowl. Nice diversions to help make it to baseball.
I wouldn’t exactly say Conan really went anywhere…
He was basically booted off NBC because that rat bastard Jay Leno couldn’t make that ridiculous show in that time slot work for him because for some reason, the guy actually thought he was bigger than Law & Order…
But hey, if thats what it takes, I’m with ya
January 27th, 201110:26 am
Bring on Aaron Miles. Back up MIF. Hits for a good average. Veteran in the league and has postseason experience. Could be a great pick up.
January 27th, 201110:30 am
Good Morning all
Reading the overnights saw Wards about Robert, I too also feel kind of sorry for Robert and do not agree at all with him about Bobby Cox. That said, Robert is not as annoying as .don, Nick, or Mitchell.
January 27th, 201110:31 am
I just don’t understan the obsession with going out and spending money and/or prospects on this middle infielder or that outfielder, many of whom are has-beens, never weres, bad contracts, bad attitude, or some combination of the above. I say let’s see what we actually have during Spring Training amoung guys we already have. We can always make a trade or pick someone up at the end of ST, or even at the trade deadline if needed. Otherwise, you risk spending very limited assets in an area that is not actually a problem.
January 27th, 201110:36 am
Lew – did you see that we had a The Bear sighting this am? You know the one with all that latin crap next to his name?
ward, i think shafer only makes the team if chipper doesnt continue.
i say that because at this point, shafer still needs to be playing everyday, and we know mclouth is going to get his shot. if chipper goes down, prado moves to 3rd, and that opens up an OF spot for shafer to get regular playing time.
i think the 4th OF spot will be a battle between matt young, mather, and maybe one of those other rule 5 guys we picked up, if they really impress. shafer needs to have a good spring, and then have a good year at AAA.
McFann O O
January 27th, 201110:40 am
Thanks, Pierson Brave! Yes, we do love our birdies! We don’t get snow very often, either (and what we do get usually turns to ice right away), but that week, we sure got plenty!
I love taking photos of nature, and I’m glad you guys enjoy them as well.
January 27th, 201110:42 am
DAP – Agree about Schafer, unless he earns the starting job like he did 2 years age. He needs as much regular playing time as possible (assuming he is capable of coming back).
January 27th, 201110:43 am
Raleighbravefan, I too want to list all the ways in which Booby excelled. Here goes:
I thinking, give me time.
I will give him this, not many people could be CREATIVE enough to find a way to lose in all but one of 16 Post Season opportunities to win a World Series — with one of the best pitching staffs in the history of baseball and (for the most part) a good supporting cast of position players.
Ease-Them ursine types are not to be trifled with.
January 27th, 201110:44 am
Don can think?
January 27th, 201110:45 am
Hi Mc Fann
Where do you post your pics? I would like to see them too.
January 27th, 201110:46 am
It’s been so long since he actually used his brain (assuming of course that he has one), no wonder he’s taking his time.
Obviously Don is jealous of all the attention Robert got yesterday. Of course, they both obviously know more than all the REAL baseball experts.
January 27th, 201110:47 am
I don’t think the 4th OF spot is Schafer’s to lose, it’s probably more the other way around. I think they would want Schafer to get daily playing time and that’s not going to happen if he’s the 4th OF.
January 27th, 201110:49 am
That’s why it is taking so long.
January 27th, 201110:51 am
here is Keith Law’s 2011 Espn Insider Organizational rankings you only get to see part of it thankfully the Braves are on the top three it was a nice little 3 sentences about the Braves and how the Vizcaino kid is gonna be good.
If you have insider post the Phillies one please. The Royals are number 1 with Tampa Bay at 2
Here it is:
3. Atlanta Braves
Those top three Latino arms keep marching to the big leagues, and the Braves will produce at least two other rookies who’ll spend all or most of 2011 in Atlanta in regular roles. They have a knack for getting good signing useful players off the waiver wire and scrap heap and getting good young talent back in deals, including Arodys Vizcaino as a sort of throw-in to the Javier Vazquez trade.
January 27th, 201110:54 am
DAP and Transplant – I agree with you re: Schafer – to a point. If Nate bombs in ST and Logan has another camp like he did a couple years ago, I see Nate being 4th outfielder and Schafer starting.
However, if Nate or one of the others does better than Schafer or one of them steps up and says “I’m the Dude” with their performance, Schafer will go to Gwinnett and he’ll be up later.
Don’t forget he was targeted as ready to start a couple years ago and if he shows he’s back……Well, might be a new ballgame.
Lotimus Pyle: that is very local buddy that is in carroll county approximately about an hour from downtown Atlanta you just hop on I-20 and your there and I live in Carroll County so dont so that. Animal Cruelty is an issue that needs to be dealt with if you dont like the story here is an idea dont read it!
January 27th, 201110:55 am
Have been involved in baseball for over 60 years – player, coach, manager, fan – Have seen some unbelievable things – The most amazing and most unbelievable of which continued to be – the number of writers and fans who think that Bobby Cox was a great manager.
January 27th, 201110:57 am
“including Arodys Vizcaino as a sort of throw-in to the Javier Vazquez trade.” – Interesting take when Wren had indicated in the past that Vizcaino was probably the most important part of this deal, Melky was more the “throw-in”.
January 27th, 201110:58 am
60 Years? That explains it – age induced dementia.
Steve McP: yea I did not agree with Law’s word choice either and yea Milk man was the throw in for sure!!
January 27th, 201111:00 am
Hey DOB or Carroll…
Have there been any rumors, or talk in the Braves orginazation about a possible pursuit of Aaron Miles?
He seems like a good fit fot the Braves…He plays Second or Short, a little Third, Outfield, and is a veteran…
Would probably also sign for a minor league deal or a low major league deal.
Any thoughts or info on this would be greatly appreciated.
SteveMcP – I talked to Wren at ST last year and he definitively stated that Vizcaino was targeted in that deal – that he was the trophy piece. Maybe if Law talked to Wren?
January 27th, 201111:01 am
Arodys looks like he can be a BEAST look at these pics!!
January 27th, 201111:02 am
DON, YOU ARE A IDIOT
January 27th, 201111:04 am
Julio Teheran is number 10 on Breaking down Mlb.coms 2011 Prospect List
Number 3 is Bryce Harper of the Nationals
Number 4 is Domonic Brown of the Philllies
Number 17 Freddie Freeman
Number 21 Mike Minor
This is a nice article of the 3 Braves players on the list and a nice highlight video for each one!!!
January 27th, 201111:05 am
Don: do us all a favor and don’t speak unless spoken to thanks in advance!!
January 27th, 201111:07 am
Don, when you talk about being involved in baseball for over 60 years, are you considering when your parents forced you to play little league down at the Y and how you’ve managed your collection of baseball cards as being “involved” in baseball? I don’t think that really counts.
Or at least counts towards being baseball savy.
I posted them a few Blogs ago…Here’s the link to photos! (There of the snow we had a couple weeks ago, but you prob’ly guessed that already. )
January 27th, 201111:11 am
lew If Nate bombs in ST and Logan has another camp like he did a couple years ago, I see Nate being 4th outfielder and Schafer starting.
yeah, that seems possible. hes got to win the starting job in order to make the team, and there is alot of competition for that. but, if he has a spring like 2008, it could happen.
January 27th, 201111:13 am
I have never thought very highly of Schafer to be honest there is something about him that just isn’t right to me. I hope he proves me wrong!
I thought JOE THURSTON was in the GIANTS org., at least at present. He did play down south this fall and winter.
January 27th, 201111:14 am
Who the heck is Logan?
January 27th, 201111:15 am
Has anyone out there been to any of the Braves caravans??
Lew: Only sixth highest poster out of 155?
Ha! Lew, I had to go back and look at that post. I noticed the triad contingent was evenly distributed with RaleighBraveFan, TennessePaul and NCScoots hitting 11, 10 and 10. And by factors of 9, this triad from the triad was holding up strong in the second spot in the line up.
OJ-In his first game against the Phillies, the game was televised on ESPN and Jon Miller, in his manner of mispronouncing names, tagged him as Logan Schafer.
January 27th, 201111:16 am
January 27th, 2011
“including Arodys Vizcaino as a sort of throw-in to the Javier Vazquez trade.” – Interesting take when Wren had indicated in the past that Vizcaino was probably the most important part of this deal, Melky was more the “throw-in”.
And the ‘dud’ certainly proved it last season.
January 27th, 201111:17 am
Ten Paul – Like I said- my problem is not being able to pitch a complete game.
Thurston is with the Marlins look at the link in his pic he still has a Braves hat on
January 27th, 201111:19 am
lew: I had forgotten that thank you yea I remember when he hit that home run to left center
January 27th, 201111:20 am
Lew: Like I said- my problem is not being able to pitch a complete game.
Don’t be so hard on yourself Lew. You had a hell of a game, and by factor of 9, you were in the lead off spot. Incredibly so was Payne, despite his prolonged absence from the blog until just yesterday. He came in with a flurry of posts. Enough to allow him to round out the lead off spot.
January 27th, 201111:22 am
Here are thr Braves that made Keith Law’s Top 100 prospects:
#6 – Julio Teheran
#43 – Freddie Freeman
#47 – Arodys Vizcaino
#50 – Randall Delgado
#61 – Mike Minor
January 27th, 201111:24 am
I don’t think the Braves know quite what they have in Diory. He hasn’t hit much, but he has so few AB’s there’s no way to draw much of a conclusion. The guys over at the CAC blog made a pretty good argument last fall that given Diory’s minor league stats and Seabass’s less than overwhelming career stats that Diory should be playing more than Seabass.
January 27th, 201111:27 am
Bobby Hill- Problem is that they ARE minor league stats and he has not produced at all in the Bigs. Gonzalez has.
Ease,your pitching coach wasn’t worried about you hitting the guy in the batter’s box – he had seen your control. He figured that was the best way for you to hit the batter.
6 Julio Teheran
Signed out of Colombia for $850,000 in 2007, Teheran is already making that figure look like a bargain, establishing himself not just as a future No. 1 starter but as the best pitching prospect in baseball.
Teheran has a loose arm and easy velocity, pitching at 92-95 mph but touching higher than that with a plus changeup with good fade and tailing action in the low 80s. His curveball remains his third pitch, with a vertical break but soft rotation, and the pitch can get a little sloppy at times. Teheran’s arm action is a bit long but otherwise is easy and repeatable; he takes a long stride to the plate and pronates his elbow nice and early. The breaking ball still needs some work — or he might switch to a slider eventually — but that fastball/changeup combo with that arm and a body that’s still projectable make him a potential ace.
43 Freddie Freeman
Freeman keeps performing even though he is young for his levels and doesn’t possess any plus tools to get you excited. He is a big kid with a very good feel for the bat, and he’s extremely short to the ball despite long arms; that produces a lot of hard contact without big power, which might require a significant change to how he uses his lower half. He never has been a high-walk guy, either — 45 is his single-season high in pro ball, excluding intentionals — although he consistently hits for high enough averages that his OBPs are good.
He is an above-average defensive first baseman and is ready to step in right now as Atlanta’s regular first baseman, so the lack of ceiling is mitigated by the fact that he can provide value right away.
47 Arodys Vizcaino
Vizcaino was on track to end 2010 in the top 20 before a partially torn elbow ligament knocked him out for two months, although he did return to throw two innings for low A Rome in the season’s final week.
When healthy — and it’s not clear whether we can say Vizcaino is right now — he will show plus velocity up to 96 mph and an above-average curveball, along with outstanding control. He didn’t walk a batter in his final 40 innings in low A. He does have great arm speed, but he doesn’t use his lower half much to generate it. Vizcaino comes from a slot under three-quarters and tends to get on the side of the ball as well as giving left-handed hitters a slightly better look at it out of his hand. He does have that pesky tear, and while it didn’t require surgery last year, further tearing probably will put him on the shelf for at least a half-season if not more.
He’s not a huge guy, and between the arm slot and elbow tear, there’s at least some reason to think he could head for the bullpen, at which point he’d probably sit mid-90s and profile as a top-tier setup man or closer. If he holds up, however, he has premium starter stuff and would slot in as a No. 1A behind Julio Teheran’s No. 1 in a rotation of Atlanta’s starting pitching prospects.
50 Randall Delgado
Delgado doesn’t get the hype of hard-throwing Julio Teheran or former Yankees farmhand Arodys Vizcaino, but he’s a solid prospect in his own right, with some serious upside if his breaking ball improves.
He has a loose arm that runs the fastball up to 96 mph, while he’ll sit solid-average at 90-94, and he’s still very projectable physically. His changeup is above average, but the curveball still lags behind, meaning he lacks a pitch that moves away from right-handed hitters. He’s also still working on finding a consistent arm action and with it more consistent command, although he can at least boast of low walk totals. He has a chance to be a No. 2 or 3 starter if the curveball improves, and he’s young enough and athletic enough to make that happen, but he won’t get there as primarily a two-pitch guy.
61 Mike Minor
Minor doesn’t have the upside of most guys on this list, but is here because he’s major league-ready and could contribute to the parent club this year as its fifth starter.
Minor will show four pitches, nothing plus but nothing worse than fringe-average, and on days when his curveball shows up he’ll have solid weapons against left- and right-handed hitters. His best pitch remains his changeup, a pitch for which he has great feel and good arm speed, and while his command in 2010 was very inconsistent, he never had trouble with command or control in the past and that should be a strength for him going forward. Minor’s velocity spiked this spring after he put on some muscle in an offseason workout program, but it didn’t last, and by August he was back down to solid-average and even complained openly about being tired, which didn’t win him many fans in the Atlanta clubhouse.
Look for Minor to pitch at 88-92 and throw quality strikes with three or four pitches, which would make him a potential mid-rotation starter once he’s strong enough to go a full season.
January 27th, 201111:28 am
And what they have in Diory is a utility infielder.
January 27th, 201111:29 am
Lol I forgot about Schafer’s nickname. “Logan Schafer.” I understand why ESPN let Miller and Morgan go. Horrible baseball announcers.
Thanks for clearing that up Lew, lol. I was starting to think we had traded for someone that I wasnt aware of. lol.
January 27th, 201111:30 am
Baseball season must be getting closer all the special people are commenting more frequently!! Unfortunately they haven’t written any new material since last winter.
“•The Marlins signed a quartet of players to minor league deals: Joe Thurston, Dewayne Wise, Clint Sammons, and Jamie D’Antona.” MLB Trade Rumors Weel 1/9/11 – 1/15/11.[ Zack Links]
Well, looks like the MARLINS cleaned out several minors BRAVES talents.
January 27th, 201111:32 am
bobby hill, The guys over at the CAC blog made a pretty good argument last fall that given Diory’s minor league stats and Seabass’s less than overwhelming career stats that Diory should be playing more than Seabass.
i could see that. diory has some pretty good numbers in the minors, mostly hitting for average. but…im not sure i would misplace a MLB vertan for him. gonzalez isnt the greatest player, but he does have some pop, and has experience on his side.
January 27th, 201111:33 am
I think they know what they have in Diory, that’s why you don’t hear any expectations being thrown on him.
January 27th, 201111:35 am
Here’s Keith Law’s Top Ten Braves prospects(I love that he went for upside….that’s the way to go with these rankings, imo).
1. Julio Teheran, RHP (6)
2. Freddie Freeman, 1B (43)
3. Arodys Vizcaino, RHP (47)
4. Randall Delgado, RHP (50)
5. Mike Minor, LHP (61)
6. Craig Kimbrel, RHP
7. Carlos Perez, LHP
8. Matt Lipka, SS
9. Edward Salcedo, SS
10. Cristian Bethancourt, C
ill add that diory will never hit for the power gonzelz does, and is getting that bat knocked out of his hands at age 26 in the MLB. gonzlez is the better player of the two…gives us a better chance of winning ballgames.
January 27th, 201111:38 am
I think Gonzalez is getting a bad rap as a fielder because he made a couple errors after coming to Atlanta. However, we need to look at it from a slightly different perspective. The Dude was coming from an astroturf field to a grass field (though a well cared for infield as these things go, thanks to Ed Mangan). That alone could account for his errors and when you figure that he was not accustomed to his infield partners – two of which who were our second and third string 2B – it’s maybe pretty easy to understand why he wasn’t at his best.
I’m betting that with a full season on this infield and a full season of playing with the same DP partner, we’ll be shocked how much “better” he is.
January 27th, 201111:39 am
I’m doubting he hits more than 15 HR, though.
January 27th, 201111:40 am
At this point folks, I don’t see the Braves signing a veteran 2B/SS backup. I just don’t see it. Other than maybe Felipe Lopez (and he’s a stretch) the guys available out there probably don’t provide that much more value than Diory Hernandez. Diory’s shown a few flashes of being able to handle major league pitching and he has a decent glove, so I say give him a shot. If he’s a complete flop, it shouldn’t hurt the team too bad and they can always give Pastornicky a quick call-up. — Lemke’s Knuckler
Don’t overlook Ed Lucas. Braves are high on the former Royals farmhand, and he could compete with Diory for a spot. He’s 28 and never gotten a chance in majors, but he hit .307 with 13 homers and a .398 OBP and .878 OPS in 99 games in Triple-A last season while playing some at 2B, SS, 3B and all three OF spots.
I agree. The CAC guys were projecting big league results from minor league numbers. Not an exact science. Still AGon hit .240/.291/.386 /.676 for Atlanta last year. That’s pretty close to his career numbers. So its not like the bar is that high.
There’s no hope for Diory he was once coached by the Boob who only won once out of 16 chances in the post season and remember that it required Glavine to pitch a SHUTOUT in the final game for Cox to even be able to win the ONE.
Sorry had a Don moment!!
January 27th, 201111:42 am
Don’t overlook Ed Lucas
For the back up role? I’d like to see this. I’ve seen what Diory brings to the table, I can’t imagine much less coming from a back up player.
Bobby – Thing is that he knows the pitchers, has lots of MLB experience, has playoff and WS experience, hits for some power and Diory doesn’t.
January 27th, 201111:44 am
Yeah, I was thinking the addition of Lucas was one of the reasons it was much easier to trade Infante.
January 27th, 201111:46 am
I really believe however the addition of Carl Rose could be the missing ingredient.
January 27th, 201111:49 am
I cant believe that it hasnt been mentioned yet that Ed Lucas is an ivy leaguer (Dartmouth). Not that it should matter where he went to school. But usually such things are mentioned prominently for whatever reason – like it was mentioned about Heyward’s parents going to Dartmouth and Brian Barton being an aerospace engineer. Is it being reserved for later in spring when Lucas’ role becomes more defined?
Cool, P-Town, and Arkansas Tranplant! Our illustrious colleague Steve Hummer is down there this week to write a Sunday story. Outta be interesting.
January 27th, 201111:50 am
Thanks Carroll, maybe I can use the write up to persuade the wife farther in letting me go next season if they have one.
January 27th, 201111:51 am
I’ve had all of my eye operations at Dartmouth.
January 27th, 201111:52 am
I believe that Mike Remlinger was also a Dartmouth alum.
Snotboggie, I’m pretty sure I mentioned it in a post when I first wrote about Lucas….and said he was a Dartmouth guy like Remlinger…..Just because Dartmouth didn’t let me in, doesn’t mean I won’t shout it from the mountaintops when we’ve got a Dartmouth guy (no hard feelings whatsoever. ahem).
January 27th, 201111:54 am
Oops. Thanks for the reply sorry Carroll. Somehow didnt catch that reference. I should’ve known better.
January 27th, 201111:55 am
I did not get into Dartmouth either…But God shine on my soul that I was never a Hokie…
January 27th, 201111:56 am
Again, a case of folks outside baseball far underselling what Gonzalez brings to a team. Veteran shortstop, still above-average defensively (some would say well above average), postseason experience, and you can’t simply dismiss the fact that he 42 doubles, three triples and 23 homers last season, just because some Braves followers didn’t see him hit the majority of them while he was in Toronto.
Safe to say Diory Hernandez isn’t expected to ever hit 42 doubles or 23 homers in a season.
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