8:37 pm January 23, 2011, by Carroll Rogers
January 23rd, 20118:43 pm
January 23rd, 20118:49 pm
Hope the Braves do not give up too soon on Shaffer. He has a lot to prove to himself and the Braves. Think he will be the every day centerfielder before the end of the year.
Chris from the Rock
January 23rd, 20118:54 pm
What about Bobby Crosby for the UTIL INF spot? He’s an upgrade over Hernandez.
January 23rd, 20119:48 pm
He ain’t bad with the bat, but he’d probably be a lot better if he didn’t wear his batting helmet just barely above his eyes when he’s in the box! Glad he isn’t coming in .. that would annoy the heck out of me all season!
January 23rd, 20119:57 pm
Thank goodness we’re not going after him.
By the way, for all you Chipper Non-believers out there, go back and look at his career highlights on mlb.com.
Think of all the great years he’s given us. 2 bad years and all of you are just falling off the bandwagon.
Chipper Jones is one of the greatest players not only to wear a Braves uniform, but to ever play the game. Have some faith and respect for him.
January 23rd, 201110:06 pm
I don’t know – can’t have enough depth. We sure were thin come August last year. Hopefully Chipper gives us 130-14- games and his leadership. Go Braves! Can’s wait.
January 23rd, 201110:09 pm
Braves fans r lame!!
January 23rd, 201110:11 pm
Braves fan, who is Shaffer? Do you mean Schafer?
Cantu would be a solid bench player with some pop in his bat. Alas we pass…………
Coach (2011 and Fredi G. a GO!)
January 23rd, 201110:23 pm
Jerry Hairston .jr is the perfect fit to replace Omar Infante. Why the Braves haven’t signed him yet I have no idea.
January 23rd, 201110:27 pm
Well, the Cantu thing didn’t make a lot of sense. So I’m glad it was dated or bad information.
January 23rd, 201110:42 pm
Passing up on Cantu is a probable mistake.
Chances are Chipper will miss a bunch of games, forcing Prado to play third, while fumbling around for a leftfielder that can hit consistently because the centerfielder (McLouth/Schafer) is hitting around the Mendoza line.
Hopefully Fredi won’t wait for a third of the season to pass before benching McLouth/Schafer. It drags down the rest of the lineup.
Haven’t we been down this trail before?
January 23rd, 201110:54 pm
Unfortunately Chipper’s leadership (cheerleading from the bench) won’t be getting on base and driving in runs.
He wasn’t productive BEFORE he injured his knee. At 39 do you really believe he’ll resume hitting .300 and drive in 80-100 runs?
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January 23rd, 201110:56 pm
Anybody “down on the farm” that the Braves might be eyeing for the utility role?
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January 23rd, 201111:10 pm
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Wren’s been outstanding, but wish he would have considered Cantu. We will need a 3rd sacker when Chipper goes down, especially with Jorge’s pop.
January 23rd, 201111:24 pm
jerry hairston has already signed with the nats. it’d probably be kinda tough to sign him now.
January 23rd, 201111:28 pm
Aside from the usual suspects (Diory Hernandez and Brandon Hicks), the Braves signed Ed Lucas this offseason. He’s a Royal castoff that has played all positions except catcher and pitcher. He’s shown some promise offensively the past 2 years in AAA. Here’s his b-ref page…
January 23rd, 201111:38 pm
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January 24th, 201112:24 am
Cantu is not a great player, but he would have been a nice addition. Currently, the Braves are depending on a guy, Joe Mather, with a career OBP around .300 to backup at first and in all three outfield positions. That excite anyone.
January 24th, 201112:46 am
Good, we don’t need Jorge “i cant hit a good fastball” Cantu. I’d rather have the athletic Mather who can play the outfield as well as 1B and 3B. We need a right-handed backup CF and a backup SS if they don’t want Diory there.
January 24th, 20115:44 am
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January 24th, 20116:37 am
Chipper will sit more than play this year. He would help the Braves more by retiring!
January 24th, 20116:42 am
WOW !! if Mcsuck and Schafer can hit around the mendoza isn’t that a huge upgrade? Why do we still have these two clowns? Please Liberty sell this club to some baseball people
January 24th, 20117:14 am
Chipper is done. Stick a fork in him. My guess is that he’ll play 80-100 games, if that. I said it here first.
The Braves do need a corner outfielder backup because Prado will be playing a ton of 3B in 2011.
January 24th, 20117:55 am
Why would you want to go with Prado at 3B if Chipper doesn’t make it back and have a hole in LF ? Sign Cantu and put him at 3B if Chipper fails.
C. Tampa Ironworse
January 24th, 20118:59 am
To all you Chipper lovers. I loved my Ford I drove in High School and had some great times in it. But it just didn’t run anymore and I had to part ways. When it’s time…it’s time. If he play 100 games this year I’ll be shocked.
January 24th, 20119:01 am
Maybe those of you who are still talking about signing Cantu for a backup postion should actually read the story.
Jorge wants a starting gig and the appropriate money it brings. The Braves want, at best, a backup to come off the bench and are only willing to pay the appropriate money. No meeting of the minds here to make what is known as a contractual agreement. Kind of the same reason the “why don’t we trade KK to ____ for ____” don’t usually make any sense.
January 24th, 20119:02 am
tim – People who are actually knowledgeable about baseball almost universally consider the Braves to be amoung the best organizations in baseball. Only a moron would NOT consider them excellent “baseball people”.
January 24th, 20119:06 am
ramblingman – Don’t you realize that you are not supposed to actually have a rational thought here?
Some of the comments here are astounding, and mystifying.
January 24th, 20119:41 am
What about Troy Glaus??? Oh Wait, that didnt work
January 24th, 20119:53 am
Thanks Ryan. Good info on Ed Lucas. I have confidence in Chipster, BUT this year, more than any other year, it is critical that we have a deep bench. You can count on someone getting hurt, injured, etc. Just the nature of professional sports.
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I agree about the Chipper posts and the ‘100 games at best’ mindset. While hopeful he can play more than 100 games it really does seem doubtful. Why would he have an ‘all of a sudden’ rare healthy year? When Prado does move to 3rd at some point this year for a significant number of games, there just is no pop or offense in the outfield anymore other than RF and provided he doesn’t have a sophomore slump. It happens. Just no depth at all in the outfield. How can they seriously compete? Uggla is not enough to get them to the promised land. Losing Infante is still a big hole to fill.
January 24th, 201110:05 am
The weak spots now: middle infield back-up (we’ll miss Infante), and outfield back-up (will Joe Mather be as good as Diaz?). Shortstop is getting a lot of attention in the minors. I hope Gonzalez can hold up till they get ready. Is his contract up after this year?
January 24th, 201110:12 am
All you Chipper haters need to get a grip>>>>the Man has a contract for 2 more years over 28 million. He is not going anywhere till he decides to. If he can’t cut it…he will let you know.
I’m betting he has a great year.
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January 24th, 201110:13 am
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January 24th, 201110:33 am
I think Frank Wren is handling the Chipper Jones situation the right way. While having knee surgery is serious its certainly not a death sentence. So Wren should keep an eye on Chipper’s progress and plan for him to be ready to go. And when spring training comes if Chipper is slow to progress, then Wren can start looking at contingency plans. And they can look for a LF rather than a 3B, which should be easier to find. There will be a ton of veterans looking for a job who could fill LF in as a contingency. No need for Wren to commit that last bit of payroll now on a corner IF like Cantu when he can wait until he knows if Chipper will be ready. That way if Chipper is ready they can use that money to try to improve the CF situation and/or find a better backup SS option than Brandon Hicks or Diory Hernandez.
January 24th, 201110:45 am
Chopper – Exactly right! Why is that so hard for people to understand?
January 24th, 201111:17 am
It’s really nice to read a supportive post on this blog by rational bloggers who recognize that the Braves are an organization highly regarded by baeball people as one of the best! The calls for Liberty to sell the Braves are ridiclous when Braves leadership has repeatedly said Liberty is not a problem.
January 24th, 201111:18 am
January 24th, 2011
Chipper is done. Stick a fork in him. My guess is that he’ll play 80-100 games, if that. I said it here first.
I said it here first? Seriously?
You are like the 100th blogger to say it here for about the 10,000th time.
We get it.
January 24th, 201111:20 am
Go Braves…bring us another exciting baseball season…compete to the end and bring a World Series Championship. That’s what we want and that’s what you play for, Go Braves!
If I can find another sucker (team) to sign me then Jorge Cantu.
January 24th, 201111:35 am
What they need in the outfield is for a guy like Melky Cabrera to HIT and not be a defensive liability in center field. Find a righthanded hitter a bit faster with more offensive upside to come off the bench and fill in at any outfield spot. Melky was bottom-of-barrel production-wise, there are plenty of these guys out there and plenty of ways to land one on the roster.
I would opt for a veteran middle infielder to back up Uggla and Gonzalez and to sub in for Chipper defensively/short term. Offense is a bonus. If Chipper goes down long term you move Prado in. If Gonzalez is out the backup needs to be a viable shortstop.
This is a team that COULD contend, but it could struggle, too. Heyward could (knock on wood) encounter a sophomore slump; Freeman could not develop fast enough, Chipper could provide little to no value, McLouth could continue to be ineffective. There is not as much depth as there was last year. Key starters are a year older, the back end of the bullpen will be very young. It’s not like they have a stable of young position players fighting for playing time; they have a stable of holes waiting for young position players to fill. The pitching should be middling to very good, but it could be very good and still not be good enough to hang with Philly and other wild card contenders.
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January 24th, 201111:42 am
January 24th, 201112:09 pm
The Braves have not been relevant in MLB for a number of years, especially after the mostly meaningless “14 consecutive divisional championships” ended in 2005. They basically backed into the postseason in 2010, and haven’t been to the big dance since 1999, when several of you bloggers were still in diapers.
The bullpen, without Wagner, is pinning its hopes on Johnny Venters; Omar Infante is gone; McLouth and the equally disappointing Schafer are supposed to magically rebound from steroid use & hit .280 & steal 50 bases; while all the Chipper delusionists believe a broken-down 39-year old will lead them to the promise land.
It ain’t happening !
can't wait till spring
January 24th, 201112:10 pm
I saw this today, don’t really know what to make of it. As much as the Braves fans like to jeer the Mets, it shows just how sick (pardon the pun) Phillies fans can be……
Mark (another one)
January 24th, 201112:11 pm
How about a 3rd baseman that had an OPS of .806 last year, and it was the worst year of a hall of fame career. .806 is a great OPS, and people want to throw Chipper to the street. Fools.
I am glad Wren has patience to deal with injuries and not panic. Every team has question marks, but you have to execute a plan. That is what the Braves are doing. If as they execute, something changes and they can improve the team, they will do so. This is one of the best run organizations in all of sports. Get real people.
January 24th, 201112:28 pm
can’t wait- do you know what the onion is? may want to look it up before you get bent out of shape.
January 24th, 20111:00 pm
.806 is NOT a “great OPS” for a starting third baseman. That said, the problems with Chipper are (1) staying in the lineup, (2) apparent dropoff of power, (3) little if any upside potential left, and (4) his salary footprint seriously limits roster flexibility.
I’m all for letting Chipper play out the string here in Atlanta, but let’s face it, he’s not likely to hit 25 or more homers and drive in upwards of 80 runs at this point. Could happen, sure, but only a fool would count on it. As we’ve seen the past couple of years, option B needs to be in the plans.
January 24th, 20111:27 pm
I am really not sure what the point is of blogging that Chipper is at the end of his career and has a history of getting hurt lately. Really?!!? wow, you guys are unbelievably bright and up to date with new information!! Does reporting old news as opinion make you feel better about the emptiness in your lives?
Obviously, Prado is the plan to back up Chipper at 3rd if things don’t go well. Oh, btw Prado was an All Star last year. LF’s are much easier to pick up in spring training or mid season if needed. Remember too that if Chipper flounders during ST (highly doubtful) or gets seriously hurt during the season (possible to probable) he will retire freeing up the money owed. So why look for a cheap back up for a spot covered by two all stars now, when if you need to you find a replacement the team will actually have the resources to get an impact guy?
But, then what do I know I am just a guy who follows the Braves and actually reads the blogs. Please, stop posting yesterdays news and act like you invented the wheel. Pathetic.
January 24th, 20111:53 pm
14 hr’s a year is “pop”???
January 24th, 20112:00 pm
At least we haven’t gone 65 years without even making it to the big show and Wren didn’t spend over $200 million to make the Wild Card. Anyone notice that the Phillies have only won 1 World Series in over 25 years?
MattE Diaz Fan 4Ever
January 24th, 20112:23 pm
Should have kept Matt Diaz!!
January 24th, 20112:43 pm
Chipper Jones is the best position player ever produced by the Atlanta Braves. Period. In franchise history, only Hank Aaron is clearly better (Eddie Mathews and Dale Murphy were great too, but I’d take Chipper). A fact that constantly gets overlooked, or hardly ever mentioned, is that he holds the record for highest OPS by any third baseman in history. All time. Better than Schmidt. Better than Brett. Better than everyone. Alex Rodriguez has a higher OPS, but he’s still played more games at SS and he’s a lying cheater. Even if you count A-Rod, second all time is incredible. Chipper is a disciplined, all-purpose hitter and underrated defensive player. If there is any halfway-decent intelligence among the BBWAA, he will be a no-brainer HOFer. It’s frankly stupid to have to debate what kind of a ballplayer he is. He has suffered a lot of injuries in his later career, but he played full seasons (and through a lot of injuries – just ask anyone in the clubhouse) for the peak of his career.
January 24th, 20112:52 pm
was your ’source’ on this Cantu story Rob Bowman ?
January 24th, 20113:11 pm
Clay, good points about Chipper at 2:43 p.m.
January 24th, 20113:48 pm
Andruw signed with Yankees. Another former player Braves should have given a shot.
January 24th, 20113:52 pm
Lots of players are looking for every day jobs. But if Cantu can’t get one i guess he will just quit ? No way. He will gladly sign as a back up if he has to. So get off your “Cantu only will sign if…” hi-horse losers.
January 24th, 20113:54 pm
Regarding the 8:59 post about having a Ford in high school…..welllllll, I STILL have my 1966 Mustang and with a little “fixing up” (like Chipper got), it’s going back on the road this spring, too, just like Chipper will be at ST.
January 24th, 20113:55 pm
Did QB Jay Cutler quit on the Bears or was he injured, Dave ?
It just seems if your leg is hurt you wouldn’t be standing on the sideline or walking a lot on it ? Jus sayin’…
January 24th, 20113:56 pm
You prolly still have your cousins odor in the back seat of that 66 Mustang from a hot date ???
January 24th, 20113:58 pm
January 24th, 20113:59 pm
Steelers 24 Packers 21
January 24th, 20114:05 pm
*shrug* About what one can expect from someone with “Sham” in their name……
January 24th, 20114:44 pm
Shamwow: He has a torn medial collateral ligment in his knee. Just sayin’. (By the way, if you don’t mind my asking, what’s with the recent overuse of “just sayin’”? We know what you’re saying and that you were saying it. Actually, you were writing it. But anyway, we know without you adding “just sayin’.” … Just sayin’.)
January 24th, 20115:27 pm
I’m here Braves fans-rested and ready to beef up the outfield. And, I’m the homerun king, not Hank.
January 24th, 20115:30 pm
Don’t know if your still around on here or not but I believe Hairston Jr signed already.
WV Braves Fan
January 24th, 20115:34 pm
David or Carroll, any chance the Braves might pursue Mark DeRosa? He seems like he would be a good fit.
January 24th, 20115:35 pm
DeRosa is under contract with the Giants, WV Braves Fan
January 24th, 20115:42 pm
January 24th, 20115:55 pm
the Braves don’t need him. They have Brooks(hands of stone) Conrat
January 24th, 20117:05 pm
they need to get him…does anyone really expect Chipper and Freddie to be in the lineup 90% of the time? he sure would be nice to have to fill in, and probably more, at both postions…
January 24th, 20118:17 pm
THANK YOU – DOB – I’m tired of the “just sayin” verbiage as well.
January 24th, 20119:08 pm
I’ve heard far worse saying on here than “just saying”. The stupidest one is the “and idiot” one that some on here have an orgasm over and over with when they say it.
January 24th, 20119:15 pm
If The Dipper struggles or gets hurt again this year, he will come back again in 2012. There is NO WAY that he’s going to walk away from $13 mil.
Keeping living in fantasyland.
January 24th, 201110:07 pm
I figure another 2 seasons @ $13 million a pop should leave my family and cattle in pretty good shape back in Texas, for the remainder of this century.
Another two seasons of hitting .265 and averaging 10 HRS & 50 RBIs shouldn’t damage my chances for the Hall of Fame, UNLESS my career batting average comes dangerously close to going under .300; only then I’d consider early retirement.
January 24th, 201110:49 pm
brooks conrad is the reason we didnt see bobby retired. smh.. he has a lot of power in his bat but he cant play defense!
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January 25th, 201112:21 am
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January 25th, 201112:32 am
I personally believe the Braves haven’t did enough to compete with the phillies they needed another outfield bat but sat there and did nothing when a couple of productive bats was still on the free agent market, anybody added at this point would have no significance.Wildcard at best.
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January 25th, 20112:31 am
[...] jacket Braves journalist tells us that the Braves are also trying to cook up some Marlin envy by fondling the thought of Jorge Cantu. [...]
January 25th, 20117:33 am
With great respect for his body of work through the years, I only hope that Chipper will log 50 games in the lineup this season. If it is more than that, then he is more a man than I.
January 25th, 20118:50 am
Cantu is washed up folks. Look at it this way, we could have signed Francouer back for what Cantu is likely asking for .. and believe it or not, Frenchy’s numbers DWARF Cantu’s lately!
Put simply, I do not want to spend money on a guy who will get less than 200 AB’s unless the wheels fall off on Chipper and Prado, Hinske plays terribly and Freeman is less than stellar. It’s just silly. So Hinske and Prado are just fine as backups at 1st/3rd and Cantu is not worth any money for backing up those positions, especially given his defense is below average.
Mather is perfectly fine as our 5th OF. He is better than we have had in recent years and he still has tremendous potential that Tony LaRussa crushed in St. Louis.
As for INF backup, we still have a plethora of guys that are solid enough. First off, Gonzalez/Uggla are much more reliable than Escobar/Prado to play without missing time. They have done it for a longer period of time and have a good track record. Of course I am probably throwing out a big jinx by saying that. To that end, here are our middle infield backup options:
Conrad – don’t sign off on him for one bad series, he is fine as a utility infielder though he can’t play SS to my knowledge
Hernandez – he was a bigger prospect than Escobar before injury allowed Escobar an opportunity to jump him (which he made the most of). Diory is your number 1 choice for utility guy because he can play every position if needed. Remember that Infante was just a so-so player for years and blossomed with the Braves. Diory could be a diamond in the rough now that his injuries are healed up.
Thurston – cannot play SS so he really only fills roles that Prado and Hinske can cover
Hicks – I think he is supposed to be a good fielder, but not really sure. He can play all positions I believe, which is a plus, but his hitting is not good.
We are just fine with our current roster. No need to sign cruddy old vets with no upside when we have young guys who at worst will be just as good, and at best will have a much higher upside. The steroid age is coming to an end, which means players will start to rapidly detoriate post 30 again. You folks need to get rid of this ‘bring back the old guys’ mentality. Give your young guys a chance if they are roguhyl equivalent. It’s a cheaper option allowing for you to spend money on your every day players, AND it allows you to see if these guys can play at the major league level.
January 25th, 20119:26 am
Like it really bugs me when people overuse a phrase that, like really is meaningless, like “just sayin”. Like, this is really a bad use of the English language. Like, do you agree?
January 25th, 201110:22 am
“Cantu is washed up” ?
He hit 22 hrs in 2010. In 2009 he drove in 100 runs. In 2008 he hit 29 hrs & drove in 95 runs. He just turned 29 years of age, so he’s not a “cruddy old vet”.
You’d take Joe Mather over Cantu?
Since Cantu hasn’t signed w/anyone yet I’m hoping Frank Wren is keeping an open mind, and could get Cantu at a bargain price w/incentives. You know damn well Chipper is going to miss some time. A solid bench is desperately needeed on this tream, as Infante demonstrated in 2010.
January 25th, 201110:25 am
We still need a legit home run hitter to bat between Chipper and McCann. If you don’t believe this….check the division standings around August 15th..
Braves' fan w/rose-colored glasses
January 25th, 201112:52 pm
Chipper is going to play 162 games, hit .325 w/40 Hrs, drive in 125 runs, win the MVP & lead the Braves to another WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP !!!!
January 25th, 20112:40 pm
The Braves’ 14 consecutive divisional championships were “mostly meaningless”? Here I thought that no other team in professional sports history ever accomplished that feat. Why don’t you ask the other 4 teams in their division whether they thought that winning the division was meaningless during those 14 years or perhaps other who actually know something about baseball.
The Braves’ backed into the playoffs last year? Seems to me I recall them winning the last game of the season to get into the playoffs despite a rash of injuries in September.
I think you are the one who needs a reality check or at least the prize for the most ill-informed and negative poster on this blog.
January 25th, 20114:04 pm
You are so CORRECT !
I thought the ultimate accomplishment of the baseball season was to WIN a World Series.
You’ve enlightened me !
The goal is to actually WIN the DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP !
Thank you for correcting me !
January 25th, 20114:15 pm
Since Atlanta sports teams only have ONE Championship in 148 seasons (see Mark Bradley column in AJC.com), they should embrace the 14 consecutive division championships the Braves won, so many years ago.
Its not like any of Atlanta’s teams will be going back to the big dance any time in the forseeable future, if at all.
In the meantime I’ll look forward to another run at the World Series by those 2010 NL East Division Champion Philadelphia Phillies !
January 25th, 20114:46 pm
Until Mclousy proves that he can hit, catch the ball and throw it with authority we need a centerfielder period.
January 25th, 20114:58 pm
Are you really this ignorant or do you just come across that way? I never said that winning the world series wasn’t the main goal, my point simply was that your post to the effect that winning 14 consecutive divsional championships is “mostly meaningless” is simply asinine.
January 25th, 20115:29 pm
Division “championships” are meaningless everywhere outside of Atlanta !
Even the loser of the World Series is crowned a league champion.
You are trying to equate a league champion with a sub-accomplishment like winning a division or wildcard.
Go back to trading your bubblegum cards !
January 25th, 20116:01 pm
Here ya go for a deal that helps!
The Yankees need pitching, The Braves have pitching.
Tim Hudson to Yankees
Brandon Laird(Chipper’s replacement), and Joba Chamberlain.
we all know the Yanks love veteran pitchers.
Wink Wink @ Frank Wren! get it done son
January 25th, 20116:03 pm
And will the folks pining for that useless turd Schafer, please he has done NOTHING, NADA, Zilch in over a year to even warrant consideration for a spring training invite!
January 25th, 20116:07 pm
Lets trade Derek Lowe & the 32 million the Braves still owe him to the Yanks for Brandon Laird, so we can use that money to get a legitimate BAT for centerfield. Lowe will be 38 & had a fluke secondhalf; trade him now at his peak value.
Our rotation will still be Hudson, JJ, Hanson, Miner, Beachy & eventually Medlin.
Dammit Wren! get your hind end back to Atlanta! missed out on Scott Hairston, Jorge Cantu, and other helpful bats! WTF?? cmon Wren, you big dummy some fans actually want to catch the Stanky Philthies!
January 25th, 20116:08 pm
KJ, I don’t care who Wren trades to get Laird I just want him!
January 25th, 20116:09 pm
would love a A.Gonzalez/ KK/Hyde for Ian Desmond as well
January 25th, 20116:26 pm
Mr. Baseball .. yes.. he is washed up.
First off, he only hit 11 homers last year. No idea where you are pulling this 22 homers from. He had 10 with Florida and one with Texas. That was in 472 at bats, or an average of one homer per every 42 at bats. Once pitchers realized he can no longer catch up to the fastball last year he was annihilated at the plate. The secret is out now and everyone in baseball knows it which is why he can’t buy a legit offer. Is this the guy you want coming off the bench?
“Cantu hit .235 with one home run and two RBIs in 30 games with the Rangers during the regular season and went 0-for-8 in the postseason.”
As for Mather, it’s not a case of ‘would I rather have him over Cantu’ as they don’t fit the team the same way so the comparison is not effective. Cantu is a corner infielder at this point and a horribl glove even at those positions, nothing more. We already have Hinske as a backup at the corner infield to Freeman and Chipper, and everyone knows Prado is also available for either position. Mather can play a very solid defensive outfield and he hits much better than most people realize. In two very limited seasons Mather has 8 home runs in 193 at bats playing part time, which makes it difficult to get into any sort of rhythym. That’s one homer ever 24 at bats, which is quite a bit better than Cantu.
To top it all off, Mather plays a position of need and we have him for cheap. Cantu is going to whine if not a starter and is asking for more money (he made $6 million last year and is reportedly asking for close to that for a one year deal). He is basically a DH and not a good one.
– better glove
– greater positional need
– better upside
– lower cost
– wants to play ANYWHERE but St. Louis and is happy to be here
– his career numbers look better only due to playing time
– most numbers are not in playoff races
– the definition of ANTI clutch
– average hitting corner infielder even in his prime and has rapidly declined
I take Mather any day at this point. Any day. The money is flat out better spent elsewhere. In fact, I prefer to keep that money in reserve in case we need to make a Derrick Lee or Ankiel deal like last year.
January 25th, 20116:31 pm
What happened to Matt Diaz? He was as good an outfielder and hitter as any player on the team. Only Bobby didn’t play him enough to really show what he could do! They got rid of Kelly Johnson, and what did he do, became one of the NL top Home Run hitters? My wife and I try not to miss any of the Braves games, but, at times, this past year, it seems they would get mighty lazy and was looking for the last out. Can any one tell me if they are going to be on Sports South on Dish Network or how can we watch their every gane?
January 25th, 201111:56 pm
I would like to see Matt Young given a chance either in LF or CF. Has speed and is a good defender and would probably be a decent hitter. He just needs a chance. He would be better than McOut or Schafer in CF, and could take over in LF when Prado has to play 3B.
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