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Shaun
January 21st, 2011
2:16 pm
Murph, I suspect the injury in spring training was a bigger deal than we realize. Just because a guy doesn’t go on the DL doesn’t automatically mean the guy doesn’t have an injury that greatly affects performance. How often do you hear of a superstar playing at 70 or 80 percent because the team thinks it needs his “presence” in the lineup? And when you are a pro athlete but aren’t a superstar type, you have even more of an incentive to stay in the lineup and avoid losing your job.
zenman
January 21st, 2011
2:20 pm
DOB-Would you put Atlanta with Austin & Seattle, music wise? Also what radio station in Atlanta would be similiar to WMNF 88.5 in Tampa? Thank you for responding.
Murph
January 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
It’s not like he was hitting .300 before the injury… look at his 2nd half numbers from 2009, then look at his 2010 ST numbers, and then at his 2010 regular season numbers.
The guy has trended downwards ever since coming to Atlanta. I understand that injuries affect performance, but this guy’s performance has been terrible, healthy or not.
If his performance was due to an early hammy injury, then how do you explain the rest of his Atlanta stats?
All I’m saying is that Nate has been 100% awful since coming to ATL, and to expect some sort of miracle rebirth where he plays at a high level despite last season and a career of mediocre seasons is expecting a lot from a guy who has shown Braves fans nothing, nada, zero, zip since becoming a Brave.
Robert
January 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
“The Braves have a lot riding on McLouth. He could easily be the difference between the team dog fighting for the wild card slot or the team contending with the Phillies and having a real shot at advancing beyond the first round”
I disagree. The guy just isnt good enough to be that kind of a difference maker.
The only way he could be that dramatic of a difference maker would be in the negative – and if he is allowed to play long enough to be that big a negative, then it isnt his fault
Jeff Blauser isnt the reason your team makes it or doesnt in the playoffs
Shaun
January 21st, 2011
2:28 pm
How much, if any, rebound can we reasonably expect?
Robert, for his career, McLouth’s at .252/.337/.438. Given that he’s 29 (in the midst of peak age for a baseball player), if healthy, we should expect him to be at least a little better than that. I think a good indicator to look out for is whether he is running a lot when he gets on base. He and Carlos Beltran are among the better percentage basestealers of the past 4-5 years. What he does on the basepaths should give us an idea of his health early on.
Why did anyone ever think the guy was that good to begin with?
Well, he was always a solid player. But I agree many overrated him. I think players with some pop and speed are always a little overrated. Many are a little too impressed by homers and steals and don’t look at things like how often a player gets on base and what he slugs as much as they should when it’s overshadowed by homers and steals.
That said, McLouth’s on-base and slugging were respectable in his best seasons in Pittsburgh. He even had one season in which he was pretty darn good at both. So it’s not like we should expect him to be a terrible or mediocre player, if healthy. He’ll still be a solid offensive centerfielder, if healthy. But I think health is the big key.
Lemke's Knuckler
January 21st, 2011
2:35 pm
“All I’m saying is that Nate has been 100% awful since coming to ATL”
His 89 games in 2009 projected over a full season would have been about 105 runs, 36 doubles, 19 homers, 64 RBI and 21 stolen bases with a .354 OBP. I don’t think his 2008 season is where we should have ever expected him to be. But what he did in 2009 is probably what he’s capable of and we would all be very happy with the numbers I just listed.
ncscoots
January 21st, 2011
2:37 pm
All I’m saying is that Nate has been 100% awful since coming to ATL, and to expect some sort of miracle rebirth where he plays at a high level
I guess it depends on your definition of “high level”. He’s a .260/.350 guy over his norms, and really only his slugging was down in Atlanta his first year. I agree that folks expecting him to hit .280 with 25 dingers is a little unrealistic.
But this team as currently constructed only needs him to be…him. Get on base, hit 15 dingers and 30 doubles, play adequate defense. I just don’t find it unreasonable to expect him to once again hit the way he did for 2000 plate appearances prior to last year. I mean, that seems logical to me, but maybe not…
daniel buck
January 21st, 2011
2:49 pm
Here are the tweets from last night DOB…. Tell me what you think Daniel Buck
wildbravesfan79 Daniel Buck
Ok so the #Braves didn’t get Wags back.. Is that really a surprise?? REALLY!!!!.. We can get a real good 4th outfielder… Maybe even…
Cameron or Rasmus trade… Sign Pods cheap… Andruw with the Yanks will be for the best… Who knows I am hearing Michael Young???? Hmmm
MJ
January 21st, 2011
2:50 pm
Nate will rebound and have a great year. Three reasons – 1. he’s healthy 2. NO PENDLETON as a hitting coach 3. It’s a contract year, and he wants the big bucks going forward. He’ll be fine. He has speed, great range in center field, and gets along well with his team mates. I’m looking forward to watching the kid play center field.
Thrillhouse44
January 21st, 2011
2:51 pm
Funny how players seem to put it together for a contract year. I think Nate will be fine.
Lemke's Knuckler
January 21st, 2011
2:52 pm
daniel buck, you have all the makings of a great beat writer…Hmmmm
daniel buck
January 21st, 2011
2:54 pm
And DOB if you have heard any rumors on the team… Even something small could you give us the inside scoop…. The not knowing is drivin me nuts…. Like it or not we are missing a bat
ncscoots
January 21st, 2011
2:55 pm
So, is it required by Twitter that you be rambling and incoherent, or is that just optional?
daniel buck
January 21st, 2011
2:55 pm
Was that some sarcasm Lemke’s Knuckler
Robert
January 21st, 2011
2:57 pm
“Robert, for his career, McLouth’s at .252/.337/.438. Given that he’s 29 (in the midst of peak age for a baseball player)”
29 is late in the peak of a hitter
So I would think it would be pushing it to EXPECT that he is going to be any better than he ever was
You could hope for him to return to form
But .252/.337/.438 – I just am not that excited about that player
Whoop tee doo if there’s a decent chance that Jeff Blauser might perform up to his career averages this year
That aint the difference between the playoffs and the second division
daniel buck
January 21st, 2011
2:59 pm
you should know about being incoherent… You actually think Mclout!! is going to be good for Atlanta… Give me a break ncscoots… R u drinkin???
Loaf on a blackberry
January 21st, 2011
3:01 pm
Like it or not we are missing a bat
Have Frankie give my agent a call. I’m available…..and professional, you know.
ncscoots
January 21st, 2011
3:01 pm
daniel, your middle name wouldn’t be ward, would it?
Robert
January 21st, 2011
3:02 pm
“That said, McLouth’s on-base and slugging were respectable in his best seasons in Pittsburgh. He even had one season in which he was pretty darn good at both.”
Very true – at his absolute best, he was marginally all-star caliber
Thinking that that player is going to come back and have a huge year and be the spark that gets you to the promised land is ludicrous
Now, has it ever happened before. Oh yes. In Atlanta no less. Guy named Terry Pendleton – who as 1990 became 1991 had had a career about as stimulating as McClouth’s, including a horrid year at age 29 –
But basing our hopes on this happening again is not sound
Shaun
January 21st, 2011
3:05 pm
Robert, there is not a set-in-stone peak. It can depend on skill set. Some studies have indicated ate 26-27 are peak ages, some indicate peak is a year or two later. Generally it’s late 20’s. So the general idea is that McLouth should be a little better than his career numbers at that age.
I’m not expecting him to be better than he ever was. I’m expecting him to be a little worse than he was during his best 2-3 seasons. But better than his career numbers. We shouldn’t expect a player, if healthy, even if he’s a year or two past his peak, to completely drop below his career norms.
N8
January 21st, 2011
3:05 pm
DOB, your 11:50 post about Andruw is dead on. Can’t really argue with the numbers. Over the past 4 seasons he’s been a dreadful everyday player.
But none of that takes away from the fact that in 102 PA against LHP pitching last year, he went:
.256/.373/.558/.931 with 8 HR and 23 RBI
The guy would have been a perfect fit as a 4th OF, RH PH off the bench, and possible platoon partner in CF with Nate if he struggles. Sure Andruw’s defense isn’t what it once was. But can it really be worse than Nate’s?
Chipper went .265/.381/.426/.806 with 10 HR and 46 RBI in 381 PA last year, and he’s 38 years old, and likely to be given the 3-hole slot again.
Surely adding a guy like Andruw to fill a minor role off the bench with those numbers against LHP last year isn’t as absurd as counting on Chipper to be anything like the Chipper of old in the 3-hole, is it?
Oh well. Andruw is a Yankee and that’s that. Hopefully Nate, Schafer and Mather can make it not matter once things get rolling.
daniel buck
January 21st, 2011
3:05 pm
Yours would not happen to be clueless would it…. Apparently you don’t have a clue about the Braves or you are just a Mets fan…
john kieffer
January 21st, 2011
3:05 pm
Frank Wren is full of it.
Shaun
January 21st, 2011
3:07 pm
Robert, who is saying McLouth is going to have a “huge” year or be the “spark” that gets the Braves to the “promised land”?
I can’t speak for others, but I’m saying it’s reasonable to expect he’ll be at least slightly above a league average hitter. No, that’s nothing very special. It’s just a decent hitter that would fill the void in center. If McCann, Prado, Heyward, Uggla and a couple of other players play to expectations and McLouth does that, the Braves will be fine. By fine, I mean they should be the favorites for the wild card.
ncscoots
January 21st, 2011
3:09 pm
Yours would not happen to be clueless would it…. Apparently you don’t have a clue about the Braves or you are just a Mets fan…
I foresee an entire generation doomed to thoughts of no more than 140 characters, devoid of punctuation other than misplaced ellipses.
Doomed, Gulliver. Doomed.
Shaun
January 21st, 2011
3:11 pm
N8, Andruw is no better than much cheaper, much younger 4th outfielders with higher upsides. So why bother messing with him? A guy like Matt Young would likely provide at least as much value as Andruw at this point.
Hillbilly
January 21st, 2011
3:13 pm
Caught between a generation dying from it’s habits and another thinking rock and roll is knew.
Hillbilly
January 21st, 2011
3:13 pm
yes I said “knew”
Bobby Hill
January 21st, 2011
3:14 pm
McLouth had a .267/.366/.502/.868 line after the all-star break in 2007, when he became a starter. in 2008 he hit .276/.356/.497/.853 for the whole year. Prior to the 2009 trade he was hitting .256/.349/.470/.819. That’s a little off his 2008 pace, but still productive. He managed a line of .257/.354/.419/.773 in Atlanta in 2009. So with Atlanta in 2009 he was getting on base but he lost his power stroke. That may have been a product of where he was hitting in the batting order. Then he fell off the map in 2010.
The impression I get from looking at the stats, especially the lefty/righty splits is that there is no reason to believe he can’t bounce back to somewhere near .260/.350/.450/.800. That’s pretty close to his career numbers, and they aren’t all-star numbers, but they’re still productive. The thing is that he’s never hit lefties well. It would only make sense to play him against lefties if he were an elite defender, which he’s not. Unfortunately Matt Young and Jordan Schafer both bat left handed. Joe Mather, despite the fact that he’s a righty, has a worse line against lefties than McLouth, albeit in less than 100 AB’s.
Hillbilly
January 21st, 2011
3:17 pm
And the young ‘uns all turn to karaoke, hanging all their wishes up on disregarded stars.
Robert
January 21st, 2011
3:23 pm
“Robert, there is not a set-in-stone peak. It can depend on skill set. Some studies have indicated ate 26-27 are peak ages, some indicate peak is a year or two later. Generally it’s late 20’s”
In general, offensive players will peak 26-29
Pitchers 30-33
More marginal players tend to peak earlier – and often fade fast on the wrong side of 30
It is POSSIBLE that McClouth might still have yet to see his peak season
But it would make him an outlier
Show me ten Nate McClouths, and one or two of them might be yet to peak
For the rest, 2008 will be the best it ever was
abwright
January 21st, 2011
3:26 pm
Arkansas Transplant, January 21st, 2011, 1:30 pm … “abwright, Did you say your in Little Rock yesterday?”
Yep. I’ve been here for about 15 years.
Robert
January 21st, 2011
3:26 pm
Shaun – you’re saying too different things
You times you say that McClouth might well bounce back and be signifciantly better than he has ever been
That’s possible, but highly unlikely
Then you temper your enthusiasm and say that he McClouth might well bounce back to something near his career numbers –
My response to that that I agree but whoopteedo
A mediocre ballplayer who has a decent chance to bounce back to his previous levelof mediocrity –
thats a big who cares
Lemke's Knuckler
January 21st, 2011
3:30 pm
daniel buck,
If you keep posting, you should garner A LOT of responses. No sarcasm in that statement.
DAP
January 21st, 2011
3:34 pm
robert at his absolute best, he was marginally all-star caliber
its so weird how our view of a player can be changed after a really bad season.
in nate’s best season, he OPSed .853. thats about the same as ryan howard and alex rodreguez OPSed last season. thats not marginally all-star caliber, especially for a CF.
some people try to rewrite nate’s entire career because they are mad at him.
Shaun
January 21st, 2011
3:36 pm
Robert, who is saying 2011 is going to be McLouth’s best season or it’s going to match his 2008? If he’s better than his career averages (AVG/OBP/SLG) does that mean it’s a peak season? Of course not. That’s all I’m arguing, that we should expect him to be a little better than his career average, not that he will be better than he was in his best, his second-best or his third-best seasons.
charlotte observer
January 21st, 2011
3:39 pm
Ease® in Woodstock .. and anyone else interested …
You will need to log into “iGoogle”. From the “iGoogle page” .. click on the “add stuff” button .. this takes you to the add stuff page where you can add games .. gadgets and an assortment of gizmo’s. There is a search for gadgets window. The name of the gizmo/gadget is “Countdown”. Do a search for “Countdown”. When you see it … click on “add to homepage” .. or something like that. Countdown is not specifically a Pitchers and Catchers Report … clock … I set it up to be a Pitchers and Catchers Report. You can set it up to be any sort of countdown. I named mine … Pitchers and Catchers Report .. the first day I saw a date for the start of practice. I think DOB told up the exact date and time for the first meeting .. on the first day … so I set my clock to start counting down. I think that was five or six months ago. I’ve been watching it for a while. What’s so great is .. it won’t be long now. I hope it works for you. You have to be logged into “iGoogle” for you to see it though.
Bobby Hill
January 21st, 2011
3:39 pm
I don’t think some you realize how rare slugging centefielders are. If you look at true centerfielders, only Josh Hamilton, CarGo, Colby Rasmus, Vernon Wells, Andres Torres, Tori Hunter, and Andrew McCutchen had an OPS over .800 last year. That’s only seven people. If McLouth can put up a .800 OPS this year its a pretty safe bet that he’d be in the top third of all centerfielders.
Voice of Harold
January 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
Good stat, Bobby Hill.
DAP
January 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
re: my 3:34, not that it matters much what nate did in 2008, but lets not act like he wasnt a very good player that year.
fleming
January 21st, 2011
3:42 pm
Robert – Are you forgetting the additional 100 points OPS Nate gets because Cox isn’t here anymore
Frank from KS(now livin in CO)
January 21st, 2011
3:43 pm
BravePack
January 21st, 2011
3:44 pm
DOB
Who you pickin to go to the Bowl?
Frank from KS(now livin in CO)
January 21st, 2011
3:45 pm
Oh and one more thing….I’m sooo sick of the griping, biItching and moaning about McClouth………there are other things we ALL could gripe about….
why does it have to be McClouth? eh?
abwright
January 21st, 2011
3:46 pm
On the other hand, if Nate hits .250, that’s about 50 points higher than he hit last season, when the Braves won the wild card.
P-Town Brave ©
January 21st, 2011
3:50 pm
Its McLouth!!
There is no 2nd “C”
Thrillhouse44
January 21st, 2011
3:51 pm
I’m going to order Nate some deer antler spray.
fleming
January 21st, 2011
3:53 pm
abwright
After listening to Robert last year, I think Bobby cost Nate about 75 points OBP and 25 points SLG last year and that caused the 10-15 games that Cox caused the Braves to lose. Without that we beat out the Phillies.
Bat Masterson
January 21st, 2011
3:54 pm
Like it or not we are missing a bat
Said the Principal to my parents. Often
Danga
January 21st, 2011
3:55 pm
A mediocre ballplayer who has a decent chance to bounce back to his previous levelof mediocrity –
thats a big who cares
I bet the Braves care. There is a big difference between his career averages and what he did last season. If he contributes at his career average this season, it would be a very good thing for the Braves.
Hillbilly
January 21st, 2011
4:02 pm
After reading several articles about the massive mafia bust in the northeast yesterday, I have come to a conclusion that we need La Cosa Nosta to infiltrate Major League Baseball and start dishing out nicknames. No more of this ARod/JRoll/JHey crap. These guys know how to handle a nickname.
-Meatball
-Vinny Carwash
-Jonny Bandana
-Hootie
-Junior Lollipops
You gotta love it.
Efrim
January 21st, 2011
4:03 pm
How many innings did CarGo log at center? Doesn’t Fowler play there quite a bit?
Bat Masterson
January 21st, 2011
4:06 pm
daniel, your middle name wouldn’t be ward, would it? _ ncscoots
Yours would not happen to be clueless would it…. Apparently you don’t have a clue about the Braves or you are just a Mets fan… _ daniel buck
ward would have gone with Phillies fan.
cabravesfan
January 21st, 2011
4:06 pm
Efrim-
In his career, CarGo has played 170 games in center, 110 in left & 84 in right field
cabravesfan
January 21st, 2011
4:07 pm
1291.0, 766.2, & 489.0 innings respectively…
Danga
January 21st, 2011
4:08 pm
Wasn’t Fowler sent back down for a decent part of last season?
Bobby Hill
January 21st, 2011
4:08 pm
CarGo played all over the outfield last year. Looks like he logged 55 starts and 452 innings at centerfield. I have no idea where he’ll be playing this year.
Danga
January 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
I foresee an entire generation doomed to thoughts of no more than 140 characters, devoid of punctuation other than misplaced ellipses.
Don’t you put that voodoo on me, Scoots!
ray k.
January 21st, 2011
4:10 pm
It doesn’t take a crystal ball to see that McClouth will not be the center fielder in June. Anyone with a familiarity with the rhythms of the Braves over the past 10 years knows that he’ll likely see some AAA again and will ultimately be relegated to base stealing duties or outright traded–but not before he plays horribly all through the spring and beginning of the summer and commits some blooper reel errors that have the fan base up in arms.
I understand that there is no point in messing with his head now; to destroy his confidence by even hinting at a competition in CF would be futile. I’m glad the franchise is very professional–usually, at least–when dealing with such matters and don’t get overly emotional or impetuous. Yes, they have to at least TRY to salvage something from the investment, but, sadly, we’ve seen these maneuvers before, where the Braves are stubbornly devoted to players who are hurting the team.
I hope I’m wrong; the reemergence of the McClouth of 2008 would be a dazzling development.
abwright
January 21st, 2011
4:14 pm
Vinny Carwash … gotta love it.
You have to wonder if this came from the Mafia’s version of Clue …
Answer: Vinny with a screwdriver in the carwash.
Danga
January 21st, 2011
4:16 pm
I think folks underestimate the value of not having someone awful (Melky) play a meaningful role on your team. Nate was awful last year. It seems to me adding an average player over an awful player would be similar in value to adding an all star player over an average player. There are some very good baseball players on this team. The rest of the guys just need to not be terrible.
Efrim
January 21st, 2011
4:16 pm
cabravesfan, thanks. I’d bet that number gets even lower this year. He’s a corner outfielder, long term.
ncscoots
January 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
Danga, I’ve read your stuff here. I think you have a natural immunity to that possible disease, LOL.
Maybe it will be called “Twitter Syndrome” or named after the founders (those names I have forgotten), and will make it into the PDR as a medically-recognized condition.
I’ll probably be dead by then, though, and will get no recognition for my far-sighted prediction.
Bat Masterson
January 21st, 2011
4:22 pm
Marilyn Monroe & Elizabeth Taylor Used To Shave Their Faces: Report
Today in factoids: some of Hollywood’s most famous faces used to shave. Female faces, we mean.
Style.com talked to aesthetician to the stars Kate Somerville who named names:
On good authority (that being Elizabeth Taylor’s personal cosmetic dermatologist, whom Somerville used to assist), the greats (those being Elizabeth Taylor and Marilyn Monroe) shaved their faces for completely bare skin and an added dose of exfoliation.
And for those of you who want to try this at home, Somerville also says that “it’s a total myth” that hairs will grown in darker and thicker. The more you know!
What do you think?
Don’t give up on the bearded lady just yet, jeffery d.
Venice Jim
January 21st, 2011
4:26 pm
Just heard a local sports update in which noted Augustan Charles Howell III was misidentified as “Thurston Howell III”…
CB
January 21st, 2011
4:36 pm
Thanks to everybody for kind words – I really appreciate it.
richbrave
January 21st, 2011
4:49 pm
So still got folks here saying ‘DRUW was due for a comeback, and we missed the boat? I mean……….really?
O.K. Was he available for a million, or two? One-year?
O.K., did anybody ask him if HE wanted to be in ATLANTA again?
O.K., can anybody see spending a mill, and having McOUT’s millions coming off the bench?
Ah-h, at last, a solid and doubly valid point.
We’re committed to NATE-dog’s money, and his fragile psyche for the next nine months…..better or worse.
And to SCHAFER’s return to try again.
Next season, AJ’s 35. If he has a solid year as a back-up YANKEE then that’s two years in a row of decent back-up production.
So maybe in 2012 for OF depth provided SCHAFER, McLOUTH, YOUNG or CONSTANZA don’t dazzle? We’ll need two of the four to prove out this season.
Just Pat
January 21st, 2011
4:50 pm
CB
Thought you had gone but hope you take thoughts and prayers with you.
richbrave
January 21st, 2011
4:52 pm
Hang in CB, we’re hoping for a speedy and excellent recovery for your other half.
Braveheart
January 21st, 2011
5:13 pm
What would you say about a player who has hit …….. .212 with a .312 OBP and .724 OPS during the 2007-2010 seasons ……… That player is ……..
Alex Gonzalez?!?!?!?
Gonzalez, 2007-2010: .253/.299/.427/.726
TennBravesFan
January 21st, 2011
5:15 pm
Somebody was mentioning that McLouth doesn’t hit lefties very well. Fot the record Scott Podsednik hits lefties at a .270 clip and righties at a .283 for his career. I would like to see this guy on the Braves team.
P-Town Brave ©
January 21st, 2011
5:17 pm
Braveheart-
Either Andruw or Frenchy?
Trey
January 21st, 2011
5:17 pm
Here is a good reason why you should never piss off a journalist or any sort of writer!
http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/01/21/pearlman.online.civility/index.html?hpt=T2
nolie
January 21st, 2011
5:21 pm
I have no problem with late/slow bloomers though. VOH
you should have at least some worries, guys who put up impressive numbers when they are years older than their minor league competition seldom perform nearly as well in the bigs and if the do have a few good years they often do not last long.
Obviously there are some exceptions to the rule, but the large majority are not. Shouldn’t completely write such players off, but a healthy skepticism is advisable.
David O'Brien
January 21st, 2011
5:28 pm
BravePack: Steelers and Packers
McFann O O
January 21st, 2011
5:29 pm
Is there a website that lets you look up past Spring Training stats? Thanks!
Trey
January 21st, 2011
5:33 pm
McFann, Google should be able to help if there is.
Trey
January 21st, 2011
5:34 pm
Here you go McFann.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/springStats/_/team/det/year/2005
Trey
January 21st, 2011
5:34 pm
It goes from 2002 to 2010.
nolie
January 21st, 2011
5:35 pm
Prado 22hr 73rbi 103 runs .311ba .373obp .858ops ryan c
I was pushing Prado here when nobody else was but I think that’s a bit on the high side. so far he has been kinduva an every other month hitter during his career. He would need to improve that a bit. Hope you are right obviously
McFann O O
January 21st, 2011
5:36 pm
Thanks, Trey!
I should prob’ly bookmark this…
Google should be able to help if there is.
Why don’t I ever think of those things?
Trey
January 21st, 2011
5:37 pm
McFann, yeah I just googled that.
It gave me the D Tigers, but you can change the teams and years you want to look up on there.
billmaier
January 21st, 2011
5:39 pm
IM SORRY BUT DOES WREN BELIVE WE ARE STUPID? Anyone else that played as bad as mclouth would have been released or traded, without the bif salary. Look how well blanco played and he was traded. Mclouth would have been gone in a heartbeat if he had a smaller salary. How many players have we keep that batted under 200????????????????????????????????
P-Town Brave ©
January 21st, 2011
5:42 pm
DOB–
I hope you’re wrong about that…
McFann O O
January 21st, 2011
5:42 pm
Trey but you can change the teams and years you want to look up on there.
Yeah, this is perfect…I forgot about ESPN. I went through the Braves’ ESPN page and found where to click to get the Spring stats, so now I know how to get there—but I went ahead and bookmarked it.
P-Town Brave ©
January 21st, 2011
5:43 pm
McFann-
Can I ask ya to do me a favor?
Pull out a Rally Turtle for Sunday’s Bears game would ya
Trey
January 21st, 2011
5:43 pm
“IM SORRY BUT DOES WREN BELIVE WE ARE STUPID? Anyone else that played as bad as mclouth would have been released or traded, without the bif salary. Look how well blanco played and he was traded. Mclouth would have been gone in a heartbeat if he had a smaller salary. How many players have we keep that batted under 200????????????????????????????????”
People actually liked Blanco. No one wants to trade for McLouth. Who do you honestly think we can get for McLouth, especially with his salary? McLouth was horrible last year and no one would give us anything in value for him. This is the easiest way for the Braves to go about it and just hope he pulls through this upcoming season. Really, if you were running a team and Wren offered you McLouth for another player would you take him? I doubt it.
Trey
January 21st, 2011
5:44 pm
Yeah, now you know McFann!
Couch Tater
January 21st, 2011
5:46 pm
Watching the Bob Hope. When showing former Bear, Willie Gault from Griffin GA, they mentioned he set the World Record for 100 meters for 45 year olds. 10.72 seconds. Wow. Go get’m guys…
http://world-masters-athletics.org/records/outdoor-men
billmaier
January 21st, 2011
5:47 pm
Trey thats my point, it is all about the salary. Wren is lying. Mclouth would not be here if he did not have the big salary
BravePack
January 21st, 2011
5:48 pm
Smart man DOB good choices and I think that would make the best for viewing too.
Sorry P-Town I hope he’s exactly right and McFann don’t do anything because the bears have been lucky enough this year.
McFann O O
January 21st, 2011
5:48 pm
P-Town—
OK! But first tell me—who are they playing? Not that it matters to me a whole lot…but if they’re playing NY, I may put out both Turtles!
Trey—
Yeah! I really do stink at Googling for whatever reason…
Trey
January 21st, 2011
5:55 pm
billmair, he is also here because we can’t find someone decent for him. Wren was probably being considerate of McLouth’s feelings. Anyway, you just need to have faith that he can bounce back next season.
Trey
January 21st, 2011
5:55 pm
billmaier, sorry misspelled your name.
Danga
January 21st, 2011
5:56 pm
Honestly, what did you expect Wren to say? “Well if McLouth didn’t have that guaranteed money he would probably be working on a minor league contract from the Royals right now, but since we owe him all of this money we are going to give him one more at it here in Atlanta.”
Trey
January 21st, 2011
5:57 pm
Danga, he also had to choose his words carefully to not hurt McLouth’s feelings.
nolie
January 21st, 2011
5:57 pm
I don’t think some you realize how rare slugging centefielders are. If you look at true centerfielders, only Josh Hamilton, CarGo, Colby Rasmus, Vernon Wells, Andres Torres, Tori Hunter, and Andrew McCutchen had an OPS over .800 last year. Bobby Hill
and several of them are not really full time CFers. Josh was LFer last season 2/3 of the time and Cargo split the season pretty evenly between all three positions,
Lew
January 21st, 2011
6:00 pm
Are we still lamenting the loss of Gregor Blanco? Seriously?
P-Town Brave ©
January 21st, 2011
6:02 pm
McFann-
Playing Green Bay
Jets play the Pittsburgh Steelers…
McFann O O
January 21st, 2011
6:14 pm
P-Town Brave—
Ah, OK!
BravesPack McFann don’t do anything because the bears have been lucky enough this year.
[gulp]…d-don’t pressure me!