3:51 pm December 28, 2010, by Carroll Rogers
January 3rd, 20113:56 pm
“They opened a place called Pappy Red’s on Chattahoochee ave recently, just off Howell Mill Rd. Put another way it’s on the way to Nuevo Laredo Cantina from the Howell Mill intersection. It’s got a big airplane on the roof and all. Dont know if it’s the same thing you guys are referring to.”
It’s a Pappy Red’s none the less. I am sure it is very close to what we were referring to. Hopefully, at least. I am sure they have some real good BBQ there.
January 3rd, 20114:15 pm
It’s a shame about Pete Postlethwaite.
January 3rd, 20114:25 pm
He was an amazing actor.
January 3rd, 20114:26 pm
What better way to break in the New Year than to watch the Razorbacks beat the dog-pi55 out of Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl tomorrow night.
January 3rd, 20114:30 pm
Watching Oregon State put its foot up Robert’s butt, LOL?
January 3rd, 20114:32 pm
CarGo is gonna be extended by Rockies. Good job by Rockies. It’ll be in the 7 year range.
Or one of those Oregon schools, anyway.
January 3rd, 20114:33 pm
cough Oregon cough
January 3rd, 20114:36 pm
As suggested by BAS(????), I went back and skimmed/read before posting and still don’t feel “up to speed” exactly. Hubby suggested the dead birds got caught in an updraft and froze..says it’s not unheard of, but I’m still thinking something along the Stephen King line.
January 3rd, 20114:37 pm
Been forever since I’ve “seen” you…..you doing OK?
January 3rd, 20114:39 pm
i did skim/read where you took a buncha crap offa BAS and din’t get your butt up on your shoulders. Good for you.
January 3rd, 20114:40 pm
ncscoots: what’s the line, anyway? I ask because the SEC PR man (Robert) took Auburn and gave me 10 points plus whatever the line was.
January 3rd, 20114:42 pm
And..nolie, Lew & McFann
Good to see you in the new year, too!
David, the line is Auburn 3, today. Over/under is 74.
January 3rd, 20114:43 pm
Just Pat, I’m fine like wine, thanks for asking.
January 3rd, 20114:46 pm
Ummmmm….ya mean AGED?
can’t see Pujols signing for 6 when Ryan Howard got 5 yrs, $125mm and the Cards gave Holliday 7 yrs, $120mm Mikey588
I agree, it will take more than 6 years most likely though he is gonna be hurt by the Yanks and Bosox being set at first
January 3rd, 20114:47 pm
OH!!! Meant to ask…..am assuming a lot of folks on here also read the Braves Vent???? Anyone else have a problem connecting today besides me?
1st base position is full of great hitters. its not that hard to find an impact 1stbaseman, relatively speaking. and even though pujols is the best, how much difference is there really between him and prince fielder or adrian gonzalez?
Sheeeesh. Prince Fielder? Sustainability. There was worry not long ago about signing Uggla for 5 years at $12.5M because of sustainability/type of player/body type. Prince Fielder will not be had for a 3 year deal. He’ll be looking for contract lengths in the Teixeira range if not greater and at $18M a year or more. And he is very likely to fall off a cliff well before his contract is complete.
Adrian Gonzalez most likely will not reach free agency. However, he too will not be had for a short duration. He will be 30 when he would reach free agency… he’ll be looking for a long term deal… if he doesn’t get one from the Red Sox before he gets to the market.
Albert Pujols is likely to sustain his level of production much deeper into his career than any other hitter. It isn’t necessarily a bad thing to have a player like Pujols taking up a chunk of the salary, if, and only if, there is a stable of young quality players to field around him for the majority of his contract. (A good front office). Development of quality players should enable the team to be annual competitors, while exposing the team to massive revenue streams for having the best player in the majors right when he starts bashing through all the records.
January 3rd, 20114:48 pm
Ummmmm….ya mean AGED?
Well, that, too, LOL. Well-liked by animals, small children, and oenophiles, that’s me.
January 3rd, 20114:51 pm
one would say angels, but they have morales. seattle has been big spenders in the past but they traded for smoak DAP
you’re thinking Smoak is ever gonna be a reason to pass on Pujols????
Well, wine isn’t my normal drink, but…..I enjoy some once in a while…..as long as it isn’t too dry.
January 3rd, 20114:54 pm
Just Pat, I am not sure I understand waht you mean by “your butt up on your shoulders”.
January 3rd, 20114:55 pm
You didn’t get “upset”; you didn’t “fire back”; you didn’t get ANGRY (get your @ss up on your shoulders)…does that explain it better?
January 3rd, 20114:57 pm
(I thought “butt up on your shoulders” was a universal idiom….not necessarily southern or something?)
Just Pat, yeah. I don’t let trivial things get to me.
Pujols will sign for 10 yrs 280 million, + 30 million in incentives, and deferred money
10paul, so youd rather sign a 31 year old pujols for 8 years $30mil than a 28 year old prince fielder for $20mil per?
of course pujols is better than prince, and everyone else…but is he worth twice as much? because if you choose pujols over fielder in this situation, you are paying pujols $120mil more than prince is getting, or twice as much.
my point was, and is, with several big money teams set at 1st base, and the several pretty good- to very good 1stbaseman available, pujols wont get $30mil per, nor should he.
again thats just my opinion, my answer to the question “would you pay pujols $30mil per. heck no i wouldnt.
1st base position is full of great hitters. its not that hard to find an impact 1stbaseman
And one last thing… that line right there and the last few years of Braves baseball is reason enough to believe that no player of the caliber of Albert Pujols would ever be signed to play for the Braves. While it may not be “hard to find an impact 1stbaseman” the Braves have failed to find such a bat for a long term solution.
2010 Production at 1B
Braves_ .248 .346 .422 .768 23 13.5
NLeague .269 .354 .459 .813 26 11.1
Majors_ .265 .350 .453 .803 25 11.2
Braves_ .248 .346 .422 .768 23 13.5
NLeague .269 .354 .459 .813 26 11.1
Majors_ .265 .350 .453 .803 25 11.2
I mean, BAS is one salty dude; so I know he means nothin’ by it.
January 3rd, 20114:58 pm
so youd rather sign a 31 year old pujols for 8 years $30mil than a 28 year old prince fielder for $20mil per?
sorry should have read $20mil per for 6 years on prince.
January 3rd, 20115:00 pm
DAP, I believe Prince Fielder is not the most in shape player out there. I’d rather have Pujols, but; he is way too expensive.
Just Pat – they’ve gotten rid of a lot of the Vents and just have general ones. Braves Vents are going to be under “Sports” not. My Blank/Goodell vent is at a respectable +45
does anybody else get stupid you already said that messages from something you said days or even weeks ago?
I don’t understand how people can put people like Prince Fielder and Adrian Gonzalez (though I love Gonzalez) in the same league as Albert Pujols. Look at their slashes over the last five seasons (2006-2010):
Fielder: .279/.386/.536 for an OPS of .922 and an OPS+ of 140
A-Gon: .288/.374/.514 for an OPS of .888 and an OPS+ of 141
Pujols: .330/.435/.628 for an OPS of 1.064 and an OPS+ of 177
This from Joe Posnaski sums it up best, imo:
A Christmas baseball thought: Albert Pujols has averaged .331, 43 doubles, 41 homers, 119 runs, 123 RBIs his first 10 years. (http://twitter.com/JPosnanski/status/18378818314047489#)
Here’s the thing: Only nine players in baseball history have pulled off that Pujols average season even once in their careers. (http://twitter.com/JPosnanski/status/18380456093294592#)
There’s just nobody like him, and probably never has been.
January 3rd, 20115:01 pm
oh, I choose not to get insulted by things that are said to me here on the blog, either. Just don’t usually see someone take the “abuse” without giving something back.
January 3rd, 20115:02 pm
January 3rd, 20115:03 pm
Just Pat, arguing online looks ridiculous. It’s like racing in the Special Olympics, even if you win, well; you are still special.
January 3rd, 20115:05 pm
Also, I know BAS doesn’t mean anything by it. He’s one big salty dog.
10paul While it may not be “hard to find an impact 1stbaseman” the Braves have failed to find such a bat for a long term solution.
while thats a fact, you left off a very important part of my quote. here’s the whole line: its not that hard to find an impact 1stbaseman, relatively speaking.
relatively speaking. and while pujols is the best, there isnt a $10-15mil drop off from him to mark teixiera, adrian gonzalez, ryan howard, miguel cabrera, kendry morales, adam dunn, kevin youkilis, justin morneau, joey votto, or paul konerko.
again, my opinion only
January 3rd, 20115:07 pm
mickeyc588 I don’t understand how people can put people like Prince Fielder and Adrian Gonzalez (though I love Gonzalez) in the same league as Albert Pujols.
not doing that, just questioning weather pujols is worth $10mil more per year than prince or adrian gonzalez. i say hes not.
January 3rd, 20115:11 pm
Yes. I see Fielder being finished in 3 years or 4 years (max)… his father, a thinner, more athletic player than he, hit .253/.348/.459 after the age of 28. That is certainly not worth $20M a year. Am fairly confident that Pujols would retain value longer in his contract than Fielder. But, your calculations confuse me… if they both get 8 year deals, the difference isn’t $120M. Perhaps I missed something. But 8 years of Prince is a disaster… especially when you have Pujols out there.
with several big money teams set at 1st base, and the several pretty good- to very good 1stbaseman available, pujols wont get $30mil per
That may very well be. But it is speculation. I think Pujols, being the best, is worth the most. And I’m fairly certain he will be given that contract by some team. If it amounts to $27.9M or whatever, he will most likely be the highest paid player in history.
… the Dodgers really have no locked in guy at fFirst. I know they like James… but seriously, if he continues at his pace, there is no reason they shouldn’t jump in after Pujols. And they have the type of market and attendance to sustain such a contract… plus the history of giving out bloated deals.
You don’t let the greatest right-handed hitter in the history of baseball walk. Not if your organization can withstand the payroll hit (and St. Louis can).
I think the Red Sox made a mistake like that about 90 years ago.
January 3rd, 20115:14 pm
I say he is definitely worth that over Fielder, maybe not with Gonzales
January 3rd, 20115:15 pm
Depends on your metrics. I’m not saying WAR is end-all-be-all and it has flaws, but it might be useful in comparing overall value and deciding who you’d pay what. Average and cumulative WAR from 2006-2010 (using my earlier 3 and a couple of others):
If you just go by WAR (which is not without flaws, I admit), then Pujols is worth about 63.4% more than his next closer competitor on my list over the last five years. And we saw the contract Texeira got…
Sorry, now I see the correction after the post-refresh. Still don’t think Prince will be worth his contract half way through it.
Easily worth 10M more than Fielder… easily worth the longer contract than Fielder.
Gonzalez… he’s a great player. Maybe/maybe not exactly 10M less… But that will change. I see Gonzalez getting more than $20M a year anyway. But I’d still value Pujols higher. and as to how much higher, I think we’d be splitting hairs here. I think Pujols will be the best investment in a player for long term and annual salary. The market will determine the details.
January 3rd, 20115:16 pm
You don’t let the greatest right-handed hitter in the history of baseball
I can think of a couple of guys who might dispute that
January 3rd, 20115:18 pm
DAP – And I’m not trying to suggest I have any idea what Pujols will get or even what he SHOULD get. I’m just saying that, if you use something like WAR, you can definitely make the argument for paying Pujols $10mm more than you’d pay someone like Fielder.
Pujols is going to be worth whatever some team deems appropriate, not just for his bat or glove but what he brings at the ticket office and merchandise counter.
January 3rd, 20115:19 pm
MikeInFL: I agree. I don’t expect Gonzalez or Pujols will reach the market. There is a lot of “potential” to be on the market, most of them likely won’t reach it and then the teams hoping to land a big bat will dump a massive mistake on Fielder’s lap.
January 3rd, 20115:21 pm
A club isn’t going to look at Pujols and take only his batting and glove work into consideration. They’re also going to take into consideration his draw at the ticket counter and merchandise counter. Not to mention his chase of certain records.
January 3rd, 20115:22 pm
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January 3rd, 20115:23 pm
OK.it’s official…I do NOT like this new computer! That’s twice in the past week it’s frozen up on me and that hardly EVER happened with my old one.
January 3rd, 20115:24 pm
A club isn’t going to consider just Pujols hitting and glove work. They’re also going to take into consideration his draw at the ticket counter and merchandise counter. Not to mention his chase of certain records.
January 3rd, 20115:25 pm
And it’s all YOUR fault! I tried to go to that new “Vent” space you told me about. Won’t do THAT again.:-(
okay, why aren’t my posts showing up? That’s 4 in a row now.
January 3rd, 20115:30 pm
OK, guys….just asking here but….what IF Freddie Freeman has a breakout year and does more than anyone really expects him to? Think anyone would be ready to spend all that money on Pujols then?
January 3rd, 20115:32 pm
And I mean anyon in the Braves organization or even the bloggers on here?
January 3rd, 20115:34 pm
Some fangraphs gushing over Kimbrel.
January 3rd, 20115:35 pm
I seriously doubt Freddie is ever gonna put up the numbers that would preclude a team from having interest in Phat Albert , but realistically the Braves would never spend the kind of money it would take to sign Pujols on just one player
January 3rd, 20115:37 pm
hi Just Pat missed seeing you for a while there
January 3rd, 20115:39 pm
What happened to CB? Anybody heard from him recently?
January 3rd, 20115:42 pm
The lack of faith in Prince based totally on his weight? Is 3 years worse or better than the extra weight? There really is no comparing Pujols to anyone else these right now. He is the best, but Prince is a really good offensive player. I think I would take Prince + 10 million per to spend elsewhere.
January 3rd, 20115:45 pm
I think I would take Prince + 10 million per to spend elsewhere. Danga
more along the line of what the Braves would be more likely to do I guess, but I would never tie my team to more than 4-5 years at most to Fielder
January 3rd, 20115:56 pm
Albert Pujols is arguably the greatest pure slugger since Hank Aaron. But what makes El Hombre even more impressive is the fact that he’s on pace to pass Aaaron’s HR mark at the age of 40 and hammering Hank was 42 when he set the mark.
Simply put, 800 HR’s is in the reach of Pujols, barring major injury.
January 3rd, 20116:05 pm
he is arguably on the way to being one of the top five RHed hitters in baseball history if he stays healthy and relatively productive
January 3rd, 20116:06 pm
“Albert Pujols is arguably the greatest pure slugger since Hank Aaron. But what makes El Hombre even more impressive is the fact that he’s on pace to pass Aaaron’s HR mark at the age of 40 and hammering Hank was 42 when he set the mark.
Simply put, 800 HR’s is in the reach of Pujols, barring major injury.”
Back in the day I was always hoping it would be Andruw to break the record; then he became dust in the wind. How many home runs does Pujols have now?
I like how effortlessly that comparison segued from Aaron to Pujols paying scant regard to Bonds or A-Rod. Nice.
January 3rd, 20116:08 pm
ain’t it kinda strange that with LHed hitters being so relatively few that so many of the greatest hitters are lefties
January 3rd, 20116:10 pm
SB, I’d be lying if I said I had any respect for Bonds and A-Rod. I still see Aaron as the all time hom run champion.
home run, damn typos.
January 3rd, 20116:12 pm
Bonds is a lefty last time I looked.
Arod’s OPS+ is 10 points less that Aarons and 27 points under Pujols
January 3rd, 20116:14 pm
I was referring to Reality check’s comment on the HR mark. Hence Bonds and A-Rod. Keep up will ya!
January 3rd, 20116:15 pm
The 10 Highest OPS+ Of All Time
OPS+ is a pretty good shorthand for comparing the careers of hitters from different eras. I wouldn’t say it’s perfect and I actually think it punishes hitters who played in explosive offensive eras a tad too much and ranks older era hitters too highly (easier to dominate when there’s less skilled players around) but it’s a pretty good measurement as far as these things go.
#1 Babe Ruth (207)
The house that Ruth built is being destroyed at the end of this season and many of his greatest single season records have been destroyed by Barry Bonds. But he still holds some of the most impressive career hitting records such as the career OPS, career slugging percentage, and as obvious by his #1 ranking here, career OPS+.
#2 Ted Williams (191)
Williams is the career leader in on base percentage and is still seen by many as the greatest pure hitter of all time.
#3 Barry Bonds (182)
Barry Bonds’ stretch from 2001 to 2004 is probably the most dominating any hitter has ever been in any 4 year period in major league history. The argument that he had an unfair advantage over his competitors due to possible use of steroids/HGH is now quite thin as it’s obvious that use of performing enhancing drugs has been the norm (and not the exception) in baseball for a long time. Bonds’ 762 home runs may be his most famous record but I think it’s far from his most impressive. I’d take his .609 OBP in 2004 or his .863 SLG in 2001 over that and I think both of those records will last longer than his career home run record.
#4 Lou Gehrig (179)
Gehrig is somewhat overshadowed by his teammate Babe Ruth and the disease that ended his career & his life and was later named after him. But he was an incredible hitter in his own right who probably doesn’t get the accolades he deserves as one of the greatest hitters in MLB history.
#5 Rogers Hornsby (175)
Hornsby Vs. Cobb is a good argument that I think can reasonably go either way. By OPS+ Hornsby comes out on top.
#6 Mickey Mantle (172)
Imagine if he had laid off the sauce and stayed healthy?
#7 Joe Jackson (170)
Imagine if the scandal in 1919 had never gone down. He looked to be well on his way to one of the most impressive careers in baseball history. Even though his career ended way too early at age 30 in 1920 due to the scandal of the previous year’s World Series he still did enough during his career to be considered one of the all time great hitters.
#8 Ty Cobb (167)
You could make the argument that Cobb has got more than his fair share of the attention when compared to Rogers Hornsby, Lou Gehrig, and Jimmie Fox. But Cobb was a special player who will always stand out in baseball history.
#8 Albert Pujols (167)
With the Bonds era now over (apparently?) Pujols is now the best hitter in baseball. He’s only 28 years old and will likely go down as one of baseball’s all time greats. And yes he’s far better than Alex Rodriguez who as you’ll notice, is not on this list (it would have to be a top 40 list for him to be included, by the way.)
#10 Jimmie Foxx (163)
Foxx is often overlooked when looking at the greatest hitters in early baseball history. That may be because his career started to fade at age 32. If he had kept his earlier pace for a few more years he would be a much more towering figure in baseball’s career leaders. Foxx had some of the best seasons of his era. In 1932 he hit .364 with 58 home runs (nearly tying Ruth’s then record of 60 which was only 5 years old at the time
January 3rd, 20116:16 pm
DO YOU MEAN THE STEROID INFLATED NUMBERS PUT UP BOTH OF THE POSERS MENTIONED?
January 3rd, 20116:18 pm
Albert is at 172 now instead of 167
January 3rd, 20116:19 pm
hitting against pitchers who were also steroid enhanced. what’s the difference?
January 3rd, 20116:26 pm
Just seems there were LESS pitchers than hitters “indicted”.
January 3rd, 20116:27 pm
Yes. Every single pitcher who gave up a HR to Bonds and Arod were juiced too. Now we are making sense! Hey lets put them all in Cooperstown while we’re at it!
January 3rd, 20116:29 pm
And…just curious….any indication WHY Jimmie Foxx started fading at 32? (I know next to nothing about him.)
January 3rd, 20116:30 pm
not so Just Pat, in fact the majority of players caught after the tests started were pitchers.
Pitchers used it differently and so did not bulk up but there is little doubt that they used it about as often as hitters.
Steve from OH
Reality Check sure sounds like Coach…
The lack of faith in Prince based totally on his weight? — Danga
I think it’s more to do with the inconsistency of his work during the past two decades, since the great Sign O’ The Times album.
Wait, what? Oh. Nevermind.
January 3rd, 20116:31 pm
pretty judgmental and simplistic Reality
and you championed Pujols and there is no way to know for sure that he did not use at one time, though I don’t think so myself
January 3rd, 20116:32 pm
“Yes. Every single pitcher who gave up a HR to Bonds and Arod were juiced too. Now we are making sense! Hey lets put them all in Cooperstown while we’re at it!”
Maddux never juiced up and I’m sure Bonds hit a few off of him.
I’ve thought that B4 Steve, or maybe even PL…
OK (showing my ignorance here)…..Clemens and Pettite and…..who?????
January 3rd, 20116:34 pm
Eddie Mathews did much the same JP. just happens to some players. more often back then than now.
poorer nutrition , more train rides and likely some others plus genetics which applies to everybody
January 3rd, 20116:35 pm
Hubby just left to get a propane tank for the new grill I got him for Christmas and, when he gets back, he’ll be ready to go, sooooo…..if I disappear suddenly, you’ll know why.
January 3rd, 20116:37 pm
…without all the “nites” that were mentioned earlier!
the lists certainly did not catch everybody JP. The consensus is the about 65-75% used and they feel it was spread pretty evenly if you read a lot on the subject. Plus I still know a few scouts and back in the day that’s what we talked about a lot and they said the same thing.
Theu used to to bounce back quicker
January 3rd, 20116:38 pm
Gotta love propane and propane accessories.
“Get Out The WAYYY! (Boom) Pretty Boy Coming Through! Me And My Crew! We Swaggin In The Room!”
Whats Up ALL…
Its time to clear the air on a few things
January 3rd, 20116:39 pm
well we are the “nite” shift that started that thread
like I said…..I was showing my ignorance about the whole situation and just remembering the top names from recently.
January 3rd, 20116:40 pm
gonna give your posse a bath huh?
January 3rd, 20116:41 pm
How’s that list going?
Around 5 more weeks til S. Training, Yay!
Uh oh, I think someone pissed Tommy off.
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