3:51 pm December 28, 2010, by Carroll Rogers
January 3rd, 201111:46 am
Pujols isn’t A-Rod and isn’t 2010 Jeter either. Pujols doesn’t need to be paid like A-Rod and Jeter did to validate themselves as baseball player.
Pujols is a classy guy who wants to win. Jeter, A-Rod, classy? Not so much.
Could Pujols get a contract around 30 million a year? Yes. Does he deserve it? Yes. Will he try and get a contract like that? No.
I really don’t think he needs his contract to validate him as a baseball player. I think he’ll probably get a nice deal. 20-25 million per year for however long he’d like to play in St Louis. I really don’t see him leaving St Louis unless he feels like they aren’t trying to win.
Which clearly they are. Great pitching staff, some up and coming young talent, and a nice guy to hit behind him in Holliday.
Pujols isn’t Jeter, A-Rod, LeBron. He simply is one of the best athletes of his generation who plays hard every day and lets his play speak for itself. If only more players played and carried themselves like him.
January 3rd, 201111:47 am
Lew, I’m picking up the end of this conversation, but I think you’re predicting that the Cards probably WOULD go past 6 years, right? I can’t see them giving Pujols less years than Holliday even if he is a couple of years older when he signs it. I mean, he is their Jeter.
January 3rd, 201111:50 am
Was just going to post a comment about that when I read your 11:36 DOB. I wondered about that holdup. Was pretty sure he hadn’t changed his mind after two weeks ago.
January 3rd, 201111:52 am
Hillbilly- The only teams otyher than the Cards that would give him his contract for that long would be the Yankees and the Red Sox, neither of whom need Pujols (with Gonzalez and Tex already in the fold. Would the Angels give it to him? The Mets? Who knows?
The Cards could justify it to their fans though as he’s their Dude and is their Franchise player. But that’s a lot of years and a ton of bucks – not so sure the Cards actually have that kind of money and even if they do, how does it affect the rest of their payroll for the next five – how many ever years they give him?
January 3rd, 201111:53 am
Hillbilly and Lew –
I can’t see Pujols signing for 6 when Ryan Howard got 5 yrs, $125mm and the Cards gave Holliday 7 yrs, $120mm. I think it should take at least 8 yrs to sign Pujols, and why not? He’s already a sure-fire HoFer at 31 and one of the best RH bats in history, anyway you slice it. I just can’t see the Cards paying it and I can’t see anyone else forcing them to by offering anything close. Like most people, I feel a little silly talking about paying a man $30mm a year to do ANYTHING (that amount of money is preposterous). But the reality is that that is market value for a player like Pujols, like it or not. What was it Bobby Cox said about Pujols being worth $50mm? I think it was after the Howard contract and, even if it was flip, there’s some truth in it.
P-Town Brave ©
January 3rd, 201111:54 am
Pujols gets at least 8 and more likely 10 years…
And he most likely stays with STL unless they offer him pennies on the dollar…
January 3rd, 201111:55 am
And yes, The Mets have lots of $$$$ coming off of the books after this year (unless they can trade several players now). But they also have needs in abundance and if they give Albert that kind of money, will they be able to fill in around him with enough talent to compete with Philadelphia or the Braves?
They might need to spend their $$$$ revamping that rotation. Kind of hard to field a team with just Wright, Pujols and Ike Davis.
January 3rd, 201111:58 am
Mikey – Thing is that who will pay him that kind of money? Yankees don’t need him. Red Sox don’t need him. Phillies don’t need him. Fielder will be cheaper and available. Just not that many teams with the need or the jack to sign him at all – much less for that long.
And i just don’t see anyone going more than eight years and maybe not that.
January 3rd, 201111:59 am
Would the Cubs take him for that long? Would he go there given their “winning” tradition?
January 3rd, 201112:03 pm
mikeyc588 Who could honestly pay Pujols with the Yankees (Teixeira) and Red Sox (Gonzalez) out of the picture?
one would say angels, but they have morales. seattle has been big spenders in the past but they traded for smoak. tigers have money but they also have cabrera.
rangers, nationals and orioles have been known to make big offers, but $30mil per?
those are the only ones i can think of, and again…there are a bunch of 1stbaseman available. i bet pujols doesnt get $30mil.
That’s what I was thinking you were saying and I agree. I thought they were a little hasty in giving Holliday 7 big years knowing the Dude’s “walk year” would be coming up. But the ever-positive (and insanely annoying) Card fans around here keep pumping sunshine and rainbows and keeping us informed that they HAD to lock up Holliday to convince Pujols to stay. Horse$#!+.
January 3rd, 201112:04 pm
McFann, I got my eye on you with my stol…errr….borrowed Australian word, crikey!!!! ;D
January 3rd, 201112:05 pm
Hilbilly – I bet they signed Holiday as a back up plan in case they couldn’t sign Pujols long term.
January 3rd, 201112:06 pm
But you never know which GM will fire up the crack pipe and start dishing out extra years. I mean,…Jayson Werth?
January 3rd, 201112:07 pm
Like most people, I feel a little silly talking about paying a man $30mm a year to do ANYTHING (that amount of money is preposterous).
Plenty of CEOs will make that much, and more, in a year. Why? Because their leadership and talent brings value to the company far in excess of that. That ROI on a “preposterous” salary makes such a man or woman cheap at the price.
Pujols is in the same boat. The franchise in St. Louis is worth some staggering amount of money, due in no small part to Albert Pujols. Even at $30MM annually, he isn’t that far beyond the market for his relative peers, and he certainly is worth it to the St. Louis ownership. In fact, there is almost no amount of money that would make up the lost franchise value should Albert go elsewhere.
Smart ownership pays the man, and pays him what Albert thinks is fair. Me, I have a conversation with him in which I explain the fiscal realities of the franchise (if Pujols doesn’t already know, which would be more surprising than if he did), and then tell him to give me a fair number. Which I then accept. End of negotiation.
January 3rd, 201112:08 pm
Hillbilly – What have they been pumping about their having three top flight starters, Pujols AND Holiday and not winning their division, much less even making the playoffs?
January 3rd, 201112:09 pm
Scoots is back! Stability, abound.
January 3rd, 201112:15 pm
Nothing like being woke up at 6am to tornado sirens on the day before New Years. Then after danger seemingly had pasted, woke up once again at 8 for the same drill.
January 3rd, 201112:18 pm
Arkansas, were you close to all of the destruction?
Scary stuff… I used to live in Tornado Allley and lost a roof and a garage to a small twister 3 years ago. Just had time to get to the basement before it hit, actually saw it take the neighbor’s roof off. Moved shortly after.
Lew, They’ve won 10 championships. How many has your team won?
God, I get tired of hearing them draw that like a pistol. You really have to witness one of their sermons to appreciate how badly their fanbase sucks at life. Mets fans ain’t got nothing. They are the Tattaglia to The Cardinals’ Barzini. It was the Card fans all along.
McFann O O
Crikey, Trey! What makes you think I’d do a thing like that?
January 3rd, 201112:22 pm
The one thing about Pujols is.. he’ll put butts in the seats. That in itself could be a problem for a team like the cards that doesn’t have the endless payroll pockets but unfortunately this is a business and if the Cards or another mid level payroll club feels they can make major $$ from signing him through ticket sells then they won’t put such a high priority on winning, which I feel short changes the true fans of that team. I would much rather win!
January 3rd, 201112:24 pm
Actually the major destruction was just north of my house, we mostly got large hail, wind and heavy rain.. thankfully so.
January 3rd, 201112:26 pm
Hillbilly – I believe it. For decades they were about the only team (outside of Chicago) who had the entire south and midwest as their fanbase. Unfortunately for them, there’s lots more teams now and a lot fewer Cards fans who actually saw Musial play. They lo longer command the respect many of those fans still think they do.
January 3rd, 201112:46 pm
“Crikey, Trey! What makes you think I’d do a thing like that?”
Hm, I wonder, McFann!
January 3rd, 20111:06 pm
I would much rather win! [than pay Pujols a large amount]
I’d be shocked if there are three $10MM-or-less players (not counting pre-FA players) who contribute more WAR than Pujols in a year, so it seems to me that that “winning” as a priority would make signing Albert a no-brainer.
Good luck w/ that one DOB…
AD just down to road in Bloomington-Normal…
Only thing I can say, supreme d-bag!
Becoming A Familiar Theme
January 3rd, 20111:21 pm
” But as a new manager on a new team, this is not your first move, to drop the 16-year veteran out of his usual hole.”
That is EXACTLY WHAT GONZO SHOULD DO! Get Chipper out of the 3 hole. His hole? If he hits .240 and 12 dingers all season long is it HIS hole because he’s been around 16 years? Is it HIS hole if the team is struggling and Chipper is dead weight in the 3 hole? Is it HIS hole to the extent that the team might be a game or two out and miss the playoffs because it was HIS HOLE?
Bobby is gone and that kind of thinking is what I won’t miss about Bobby. The thinking that it doesn’t matter what is best for the team because 16 years and 14 million dollars are going to give Chipper the right to claim HIS 3 HOLE!
If Gonzo manages with the attitude that he owes Chipper more than he owes the fans and the franchises best interest of making the playoffs… then he deserves to catch hell from the fan base. I don’t want another Cox.
January 3rd, 20111:23 pm
ncscoots, I’d be shocked if there are three $10MM-or-less players (not counting pre-FA players) who contribute more WAR than Pujols in a year,
i didnt take the time to find three $10mil players, but adrian gonzalez averages about 6 per year, nick swisher averages about 3 per year. both will be free agents at the same time pujols will be and im sure a team could sign them both for $30mil per. that and average of 9 WAR between those two guys, pujols averages 8.
January 3rd, 20111:24 pm
besides, scoots…richbrave will probably tell you to always diversify. if you sign pujols and he goes down, you lose 8 WAR. if you sign swisher and gonzalez, and one of them goes down, you only lose 3 or 6 WAR, respectively.
January 3rd, 20111:26 pm
Diversify your portfolio…
January 3rd, 20111:29 pm
Hey, I’m all for paying Albert what he wants even if we’d be paying 30 mil a year. Just as long as we’re increasing payroll by 20 or 30 mil more a year. But I really doubt we’ll see that happen under present ownership.
January 3rd, 20111:43 pm
Do we really want F-Gon to manage like Bobby? Make lineups like Bobby? Manage a bullpen like Bobby?
I’d take my chances with a new style, a new attitude, and a new lineup/3-hitter.
January 3rd, 20111:45 pm
P-Town Brave: I’m not sure if you’re talking to me or someone else. If me, you’re preaching to choir. I’ve got at least 10 CDs/LPs by Wu-Tang or its various members’ solo projects.
January 3rd, 20111:47 pm
P-Town Brave: nevermind. Now I see you were referencing Wu-Tang in relation to DAP’s previous post.
January 3rd, 20111:50 pm
Bay Area Steve, January 3rd, 2011, 2:43 am … “I genuinely wish that folks’d have to read/skim all the posts before commenting… ”
You prolly also think folks should read the entire EULA for every piece of software before clicking “I agree.”
Bay Area Steve
January 3rd, 20111:59 pm
Point taken, ab.
I always feel like I might be signing away my soul when I click that checkbox…
Yeah, it was a Chappelle Show joke…
But the Wu is AWESOME!
C.C. Is P.L
January 3rd, 20112:01 pm
Check out Jeff Schultz’s bowl pick contest. I’m tied for 6th, one game behind the 5 leaders.
January 3rd, 20112:08 pm
75% of the people on Schultz’s contest Are picking Stanford. While I would like to see Stanford win tonight…..I have a feeling that Virginia Tech is going to win tonight.
January 3rd, 20112:09 pm
besides, scoots…richbrave will probably tell you to always diversify.
Diversification is about spreading risk over relatively equal opportunities. Pujols is investing in Berkshire Hathaway; Gonzalez and Swisher is investing in Coca-Cola and, oh, I don’t know, K-Mart. Not quite equal opportunities, to my way of thinking.
Gimme some braves news… any news… New bat-boy… something…
January 3rd, 20112:11 pm
C.C. is P.L. I saw that you were tied for six.
January 3rd, 20112:15 pm
Pujols is prolly worth alot more to the Cardinals than to any other franchise.
Ticket sales might increase in a new city if he signed, but doubtful enough to cover his price.
Ticket and merchandizing sales in STL would dip if they didn’t sign him. Maybe worth $5-$10M per year.
So, if Poo-holes (couldn’t help myself after an earlier blogger used it), is worth $20M per year based on performance, STL should go to $25M-$30M per year.
I doubt the Braves even consider signing him, so it’s a “mute point” for me. Shutting up now.
January 3rd, 20112:21 pm
Trey…… There have been a ton of upsets in the bowl games. The BCS games are worth 6 points in Schultz’s contest, while the other games are worth 1 point.
Tonight’s game is a tough one to pick.
January 3rd, 20112:23 pm
Trey……are you playing?
Yeah, forget Pujols, let’s sign Swisher and Cody Ross!
Two mediocre players doesn’t equal a superstar, Braves fan.
January 3rd, 20112:26 pm
DOB… If you are on here right now could you tell us who you think are the leading candidates for the 4th outfield spot and utility infielder as of now??
January 3rd, 20112:29 pm
Did anybody else know that there are women who will come to your apartment and clean? Everything? For a mere pittance? _ BAS
Did anybody know? Man I wrote a flippin’ essay on the poor, brave young women that venture out into the brutal North Florida winter weather to clean for guys like me recently. The woman that cleans for me offers life counseling too, she thinks I should immigrate to Belgium and though it’s a leap, there is some sort of logic there.
Good to see you posting some comments after your break, BAS.
January 3rd, 20112:32 pm
C.C. is P.L. I sure as hell am not. I don’t even know what is going on.
January 3rd, 20112:36 pm
Hey, I’m an avid outdoorsman, but I didn’t do it.
Sounds like an M. Night Shyamalan script.
Hillbilly, M. Night Shymalan can barely think of something that clever.
January 3rd, 20112:37 pm
Belgium? I thought your cleaning lady was eastern European, Bat?
January 3rd, 20112:38 pm
Oh the irony!
January 3rd, 20112:45 pm
Wow abwright, good memory. She is eastern European, but she has friends in Belgium. This is how she laid it out for me: I’m a contractor, business is slow here, she has friends in Belgium that are contractors and business is good there. I’ve been to Belgium and liked it, so move to Belgium.
January 3rd, 20112:47 pm
Rex Ryan stokes the fires early by saying that beating Peyton and the Colts is personal. He needed to take the first shot so soon, did he? I guess his (rumored) foot fetish causes him to put his own foot in his mouth sometimes.
January 3rd, 20112:50 pm
New REM tune can be previewed here: http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2011/01/03/132618743/premiere-new-song-from-r-e-m
Good mellow song, but hopefully not indicative of the album as a whole. Probably isn’t, as some who’ve heard it say it’s best CD they’ve done in a while (I really liked Accelerate, so if it’s equal to that I’d be pleased).
January 3rd, 20112:52 pm
Trey……….the winner of Schultz’s bowl game contest win an I-Pad.
You get one point for every bowl game you pick correct, expect for the 5 BCS games, which are worth 6 points each. Right now, the 5 leaders have 31 points…..while I have 30 points.
I’m really considering picking Virginia Tech tonight. If I do and Tech does win tonight….then I could be in first place because 75% of the picks have been for Stanford.
Live From Spring Training
January 3rd, 20112:53 pm
Projected Storylines of Spring Training 2011
• Chipper looks great and is in the best shape of his life. He thinks he can play 145-150 games.
• Uggla is great in the clubhouse. Everyone loves him! He’s a hard worker and will contribute to the great clubhouse chemistry.
• Derrick Lowe looks fantastic and fans can expect him to have a great year based on his strong finish in 2010.
• Heyward is going to prove that he is indeed a young superstar and should have an MVP type season since his hand is healed.
• Joe Mather is a great player and going to make everyone forget about Matt Diaz and Omar Infante.
• Everyone who sees Kimbrel says he’s going to be one of the best closers in the NL in 2011.
• Minor is great and going to be like a young Glavine in the 5th starter slot.
• JJ is throwing like he did in 2009 and looking like a top of the rotation guy again.
• Everyone thinks Nate is just a few at bats away from finding his form of a couple of years ago. Wren and Gonzo aren’t worried and know he’s going to come around.
What you ARE NOT going to see as storylines of Spring Training 2011
• The Phillies have the best starting rotation in baseball and unless at least a couple of those guys drop dead….. the Braves are playing for the Wildcard.
• Chipper is looking like a forty year old out there trying to play third and hit. His skills are obviously suffering. And his health is more questionable than ever!
• The Braves are in a huge bind because Nate isn’t looking any better than he did since he first arrived in Atlanta. Center field is still a huge hole for this team.
• Freeman is a big question mark and that could lead to 1st base being another hole in the lineup. It’s easier to project that Freeman will be a stud than it is to actually BE a stud!
I’m not sure what the 2:38 aplied to, but I sure know what I’m usin’ it for… My first ‘whoosh’ moment?
Bat, I never even met the woman. Left the door unlocked… Ten hours later, I come home, and the place is like the day I moved in.. Unbelievable, for only $175. I may never clean my place again…
January 3rd, 20112:56 pm
Man, this is like deja vu with Dentz and that ‘ESPN treak for the Cash’ that he posted about several times daily last year…
Topics of the Day
Random person’s bowl predictions
Some terrible albums
Albert Pujols Contract
Now all we need to do is talk about BBQ and we are set!
January 3rd, 20112:59 pm
C.C. is P.L, yeah I know that is the prize. I am not really interested in i-Pads or i-Pods. In fact, I have never been too fond of apple products; I am more of a PC guy. Between Stanford and VA Tech, I do not know who would win. I haven’t followed any of ‘em. I’d probably just go for the one with the better record, but; why not root for the underdog? Anyway, good luck with you, and hopefully you get the i-Pad.
The Dipper IS NOT going to play anywhere close to 140 games. He’s finished.
If Fredo keeps The Dipper in the #3 hole, the Braves wil struggle. Heyward should be batting #3, McCann #4, Uggla #5……..then The Dipper at #6.
January 3rd, 20113:01 pm
Buy your steaks at Costco. Y’all have Costcos, right? Get you a vacuum-sealer, and go to Costco.
January 3rd, 20113:02 pm
Buy your steaks at Costco. Y’all have Costcos, right? Get you a vacuum-sealer, and go to Costco.”
Just drive to Pappy Red’s BBQ.
If I follow , then yeah it’s ironic, not to mention perfect timing. I would say if a point needed proving consider it done.
January 3rd, 20113:03 pm
2:38 is realted to something I think you are familiar with.
I never even met the woman. Left the door unlocked…
Hmm. Was wondering how you that doesnt get you burgled, Then saw that you paid 175 bucks. Why kill the goose that lays the golden eggs huh!
In case anyone doesnt know – BCS games are worth 6 points and normal games 1! I can die in peace knowing that.
January 3rd, 20113:04 pm
you’ve got it as a M. Night/pot/kettle thing too, right?
Re: daniel buck’s 2:26, DOB, I believe it would help out if you could answer his question now and every 3 hours from here on out until Opening Day.
January 3rd, 20113:05 pm
Good day boys, lets shut her down for the day.
Who took my binky? This means war…
January 3rd, 20113:07 pm
Hah – knew a couple of you guys would get it! Two thumbs up!
January 3rd, 20113:09 pm
I miss RHR. Maybe she took my binky…
you’ve got it as a M. Night/pot/kettle thing too, right?”
If this is a reference to my response about M. Night; I was more or less making a response about his usually horrible film making.
January 3rd, 20113:11 pm
Ain’t got nuttin’ to do with you. Before your time Dentz stuff, man…
January 3rd, 20113:12 pm
Ain’t got nuttin’ to do with you. Before your time Dentz stuff, man…”
Aye, aye. I donno if I can bloody well believe you, sir! I know when he wrote “Oh the irony”; I re-read my post and knew it could have gone that way.
January 3rd, 20113:13 pm
Well shoot, if his posts are gonna go away, then it just looks like I really lost my pacifier. Well, truly, it ain’t all that far from the truth. When is cocktail hour, anywho?
Hello Every one! Give Nate a chance. I bashed Nate for a while, and Fedi thinks Nate will turn it around. I’m going to show compassion, and will give Nate a chance.It’s the right thing to do. Nate has a good year this will be for- gotten…..I Have High Hopes!!!!!
January 3rd, 20113:14 pm
The dead birds things is definitely eerie though. Sounds like something out a thriller book/movie where this is related to a top-secret experiment gone wrong – probably in Little Rock. Remember that show flash forward and the dead crows and all that?
I think we all enjoy winning. I didn’t even know about that contest ’til yesterday, but I am not wasting my time and probably lose.
Ease® in Woodstock
Pappy Red’s is closed…and has been for quite some time…
Wow, his name was banned; no wonder my previous comment was awaiting moderation.
January 3rd, 20113:15 pm
How many points are the BCS games again? I really want to win; it’s not so much about the iphone, just the satisfaction.
This is shaping up for some good entertainment and I hate to miss it but I’ve put off going to the grocery store as long as I can. The tourist are gone and I have vices to feed.
Ease, you’re kidding? I thought it was still up and thriving in Alpharetta. I loved Pappy Red’s.
January 3rd, 20113:16 pm
At least we all have peace…and High Hopes!!!!
January 3rd, 20113:19 pm
Snotboogie, Yeah I don’t know what to think about the dead birds. I’m going to call BS on the “stress from fireworks” theory,” though. If that’s the case, we need to get some tougher birds around here.
January 3rd, 20113:20 pm
Trey, you talkin’ about the original, with the airplane on top? Yep, been closed from almost 5 years now. They tried to open another in Cumming but not sure if it is still there. But the original (tear) is now Alpharetta Pine Straw #2. Loved their jalapeño bread…
January 3rd, 20113:21 pm
The Phillies have the best starting rotation in baseball and unless at least a couple of those guys drop dead….. the Braves are playing for the Wildcard.
You guys really don’t realize how hard it is to win a hundred games, do you, LOL? It means winning nearly every series for six months. It means winning 17 games every month, for six months. It means that you must a produce winning streaks twice as long as every losing streak.
The ‘27 Yanks had a team OPS of .872, four starters with an ERA under 3.40, and a team ERA of 3.20, and those suckers still lost 44 games.
Nolie; you might want to come up with another Essay,because Live From Spring Training has come out with some long ones…….Use the force Nolie…..
January 3rd, 20113:25 pm
ncscoots: We shall see, we shall see, begone little Philly fan, and trouble us no more.we shall see little Philly fan. Talk later …………Be cool Braves Fans…..
January 3rd, 20113:27 pm
Ease that was definitely the one. I also remember they had a Pappy Red’s or a Road Kill place in a trailer. I know that one was closed down. I really can’t believe Pappy’s is closed though. That’s what happens when rich people move to Alpharetta; can’t enjoy good ol’ fashioned BBQ. Joking to all the rich folks on here.
January 3rd, 20113:28 pm
Be cool Honey Bunny.
January 3rd, 20113:30 pm
Well, we can always scoop up the dead birds and form our own BBQ place.
January 3rd, 20113:38 pm
Say B*tch Be Cool!
January 3rd, 20113:39 pm
scoots a Philly fan?
I know he’s probably ready to switch allegiance away from Clemson, but he ain’t ditchin’ the Braves is he?
January 3rd, 20113:40 pm
ward! How are ya bud? What news do you bring of pending MLB transactions?
January 3rd, 20113:47 pm
BAS, I think ward was speaking to the originator of the post which prompted my reply. I think. Maybe.
And my allegiances are hard won, but, once won, long held. Nothing wrong with the Clemson football program that a few more cars and condos can’t fix. More cheerleaders and less study hall, is what I’m saying.
January 3rd, 20113:48 pm
They opened a place called Pappy Red’s on Chattahoochee ave recently, just off Howell Mill Rd. Put another way it’s on the way to Nuevo Laredo Cantina from the Howell Mill intersection. It’s got a big airplane on the roof and all. Dont know if it’s the same thing you guys are referring to.
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