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Hillbilly
December 30th, 2010
2:31 pm
Bubdylan. Now THERE’s somebody with posting skills. Wish that dude was still around.
T for Texas
December 30th, 2010
2:33 pm
DCBrave-
There may be less pressure in the 8 hole, but there are definitely more fastballs for strikes in the 2 hole in front of Chipper, Uggla, Mac, and Heyward.
ncgary
December 30th, 2010
2:34 pm
oh the humanity of it all
those trifling toes
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
2:35 pm
Emoticons :
http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
2:36 pm
Formatting”
http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_formatting.asp
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
2:42 pm
banjobrave_
I seem to recall reading something about Billy The Kid getting a pardon. I say, good luck to him.
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
2:47 pm
T for Texas and others, thanks for the links v bunting ect.
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
2:48 pm
Grandslam ……… lucky thirteen
Arkansas Transplant
December 30th, 2010
2:48 pm
And some people are angry over him getting a pardon.. like what exactly does that get him now anyways?
T for Texas
December 30th, 2010
2:50 pm
Bat, what do you think about the Scoring Probability charts showing that the chance of scoring a runner from 2nd with 1 out being basically a wash (slighlty less) than the chance of scoring a runner from 1st with 0 outs?
Do you think the bunt is always unjustified, or are there instances (a singles hitter like Infante on deck, or facing a pitcher like Halladay/Lincecum) where you think bunting the runner over to 2nd base is a viable strategy?
O'flarity's water bottle
December 30th, 2010
2:53 pm
daniel buck
December 30th, 2010
2:18 pm
I got the coolest Jersey for X-mas… A 1972 old school braves #24 Deion Sanders jersey… I do love prime-time
Ummm..”1972″…wow…
TennesseePaul
December 30th, 2010
2:54 pm
Just a few names of guys that helped us win a championship in 1995 and what they were getting paid versus what Nate McLouth is getting paid in 2010-11 for his, uh, services:
TnBrian: If you really want to view it properly, you should look at it in perspective. I know you mentioned as much in passing, but it is more substantial than you think. McLouth isn’t making near as much compared to his peers as Justice was (And Chipper was in his rookie season… terrible comparison point).
PDOG
December 30th, 2010
2:55 pm
One small change to the lineup. I would switch Gonzo and Freeman. Sometimes the right lefty thing is over done.
ward
December 30th, 2010
3:00 pm
Carroll: Is Lucas going to get the back up job to Goanzalez?
ward
December 30th, 2010
3:02 pm
Thats what I read. Lucas is going to back up Gonzalez.
Carroll Rogers
December 30th, 2010
3:06 pm
ah the power of the word, ward….but i believe that’s what spring training is for, you know? Work that stuff out.
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
3:09 pm
T_
I’m not surprised it’s a wash. But no I don’t think it’s always unjustified, I would bunt a guy over, just depends on the situation and player. In game chess match all that.
Obviously I got my feathers ruffled by the comment someone made that Chipper should not hit second because he cannot bunt. Or that the two hitter needs to be able to bunt period, like that is some kind of overly important skill. I don’t see it, for me just get on base, handle the bat well, not a high strike out guy.
Lincecum v Halladay in the playoffs…. top of the first … lead off guy gets on……. bunt him over ..try to score one run to draw first blood…… I can see that, not sure I would do it though. Just an opinion
jeffrey d
December 30th, 2010
3:12 pm
I’m headed out for a couple days to go to Memphis to visit my dad, sister, and stepmom and see the Liberty Bowl (worked out nice that UGA is playing where my dad lives). I’m leaving Trey in charge of leaving witty, yet sometimes (oftentimes?) annoying comments in my absence. I think he’ll be able to step up and handle it.
Hope everyone has a great new year, and BE SAFE!
jeffrey d
December 30th, 2010
3:14 pm
I don’t want to be reading about any of you in the papers.
“A Gwinnett man, who goes only by ‘Tomahawkin’ was arrested early Saturday morning for setting off alcohol filled fireworks at some angry strippers on the shores of Lake Lanier.”
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
3:14 pm
jeffery d_
Have a safe trip………….. GO DAWGS!!
ward
December 30th, 2010
3:14 pm
Thanks Carroll! I’m counting down to Spring Training, and I can’t wait to see some Braves games!!!! ” Go!!!! Braves!!!!” I have High Hopes!!!!!!!!!! Talk later, and peace!!!!
Carroll Rogers
December 30th, 2010
3:19 pm
safe travels, jeffrey d.
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
3:21 pm
peace, ward
T for Texas
December 30th, 2010
3:29 pm
Bat,
Surprised me a bit that the odds of getting a run scoring double, two hits, hit and an error, etc. with 0 outs was the same (slightly higher) as getting a run scoring single, etc. with one out. I thought it would be the other way around–not by a great margin–but certainly not less of a chance of scoring from 2nd with one out. Almost makes one have to redefine “Runner In Scoring Position.”
The intersting thing I found in looking through all those studies was the recurrent theme that bunting with runners on 1st and 2nd and nobody out was found to be a sound strategy. Getting the runner to 3rd with 1 out, the possibility of scoring multiple runs, and eliminating the double play possibility and all that, versus going for the big inning. What a great game.
The ratio of extra base hits to singles incurred in MLB must be greater than I thought
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
3:33 pm
Does anyone know a voodoo doctor, by chance?
GTSteve
December 30th, 2010
3:33 pm
Tomahawkin shooting fireworks towards angry strippers…….
I hope he calles me Friday night to go out with him
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
3:38 pm
I was looking at extra base-hits to hits yesterday.
Nate’s percentage is a good bit higher that Prado’s.
Of course Prado’s BA is much higher
Crime Dog
December 30th, 2010
3:48 pm
Does anyone know a voodoo doctor, by chance?
Just head to Nawlins. Not too far of a drive for you, right?
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
3:54 pm
Not for me, Crime Dog, for my brother. I’m certain there is a curse over his household. But no, not too far.
T for Texas
December 30th, 2010
3:55 pm
476 of Braves 1411 hits in 2010 were for extra bases.
daniel buck
December 30th, 2010
3:58 pm
I got the coolest Jersey for X-mas… A 1972 old school braves #24 Deion Sanders jersey… I do love prime-time
Ummm..”1972″…wow….. I know he didn’t play in 72 o’flarity… They just remade the jersey
daniel buck
December 30th, 2010
4:00 pm
I can’t wait to watch my Vols take on the Heels in” the closest thing to the toilet” Bowl later this evening…
keylargo
December 30th, 2010
4:07 pm
jeffrey d – I hope you have help with the directions to Memphis. On your own, you might end up in Savannah. JK have a good trip home.
daniel buck
December 30th, 2010
4:08 pm
Michael Rapaport
December 30th, 2010
4:09 pm
Maybe you know the answer to this Carroll; How come Billy Wagner is still on the 40 man roster and hasn’t submitted his retirement papers yet. Is there any possibility that he will be coming back? I just imagine what the Braves bullpen wpould look like if he did. Put together with our starters I think even the Phillies would be envious.
cabravesfan
December 30th, 2010
4:16 pm
Michael Rapaport -
That was addressed somewhere on the blog yesterday- Billy’s agent said they just have not gotten around to the filing yet and Frank Wren has pointed out they do not yet need the roster spot, so there is no hurry to do it right now. It’ll get done- Billy’s done. (I do agree that with him our pen looks great, but I have faith in the young guys!)
keylargo
December 30th, 2010
4:26 pm
Didn’t the Braves sell Cody Johnson to the Yankees because they needed a roster spot?
cabravesfan
December 30th, 2010
4:27 pm
keylargo -
They may have at the time, but right now they don’t need it…They can always just drop Billy from the roster when the time comes
O'flarity's water bottle
December 30th, 2010
4:28 pm
thanks for the heads up
keylargo
December 30th, 2010
4:40 pm
Cabravesfan – I have been skeptical about Wagner retiring for a year. You just don’t see players have a year like he did and then hang it up. Plus he is two saves from being the all time leader for lefties in MLB. You know the usual reasons – more money, doesn’t want to go through Spring Training etc. but he keeps insisting he is retired. Didn’t he pay his agent about $500,000 last year. He could have the paperwork done for him in a few days.
Something is up.
Braveheart
December 30th, 2010
4:45 pm
Maybe I’m wrong about this, but can you really just waive Wagner? Isn’t his money guaranteed next year if he decides to come back because he finished 50+ games last year? So if you waive him, and he decides to play somewhere else, wouldn’t the Braves have to pay him $6.5 million to play for someone else, and not get anything back in a trade?
Braveheart
December 30th, 2010
4:48 pm
I agree with you keylargo.
keylargo
December 30th, 2010
4:49 pm
I think if they release Wagner, they would have to pay the buy out on the contract. And then he could sign with anyone.
Braveheart
December 30th, 2010
4:53 pm
I’m not sure. I could be wrong, but I think it was a $6.5 mil team option with a $250K buyout if he didn’t finish 50 games last season. Once he finished his 50th game, there was no longer a team option or a buyout, just a guaranteed $6.5 million if he decided to pitch in 2011.
cabravesfan
December 30th, 2010
4:55 pm
The buy-out is only $250K, which really is not that much. But the paperwork is really just a formality- there is no real need to file retirement papers (not sure what that would mean in terms of the buy out, if they would still have to pay it, but again, it’s not that much)…I am convinced he’s not coming back.
nolie
December 30th, 2010
4:56 pm
I saw Black Oak Arkansas at a Jr college in Albany,Ga. In ‘74 Bat
saw them a couple times. once in Tallahassee with Blackfoot. My car worked aftrtwards though so I prolly had less fun than y’all
nolie
December 30th, 2010
4:58 pm
Has anyone else come up with a JOSE REYES born on 11/07/91? The numbers I put up were for a guy born on 01/03/91. rich
that new guy has no pro experience rich so you won’y find him anywhere
Carroll Rogers
December 30th, 2010
4:59 pm
We’ve been through the Wagner thing quite a bit. From what I know, it’s just a matter of when on the paperwork….keylargo, I will tell you Wagner’s reasons for retiring didn’t have anything to do with money (he’s made plenty) or spring training. It was about a) being away from his family for extended periods (and there’s no getting around that) and b) the mental and phyical pressure of having to prepare to close out games every day (there’s no getting around that either.) He seemed to me like a guy who is ready to give up the grind and who is missing time with his family. Now why he hasn’t filed the paperwork yet, I don’t know. That seems weird to me too.
keylargo
December 30th, 2010
4:59 pm
Braveheart, you are correct. Wagner had 64 games finished and here is his contract.
Billy Wagner lhp
1 year/$7M (2010), plus 2011 option
* 1 year/$7M (2010), plus 2011 option
o signed by Atlanta as a free agent 12/2/09
o 10:$6.75M, 11: $6.5M club option ($0.25M buyout)
o 2011 option guaranteed with 50 games finished in 2010
Bay Area Steve
December 30th, 2010
4:59 pm
Is it allowed that I can hate on Brett Favre for the retire/unretire deal, but hope against hope that Billy Wagner does the same?
It’s only once, right?
nolie
December 30th, 2010
5:04 pm
from .432 with a runner on first and no outs to .414 with a runner on second and one out. As these values represent an overall average of all games, one can imagine that it many cases it surely increases the probability
and since it is less it indicates that there are even more times when it doesn’t
keylargo
December 30th, 2010
5:04 pm
BAS – what do you think the Braves would do if he did come back? Find $6.5M to pay him or trade him?
GTSteve
December 30th, 2010
5:07 pm
Maybe it was to trick Liberty with the money…kind of like bringing a puppy home before you ask if you can keep him…..”Can we keep him Please”
cabravesfan
December 30th, 2010
5:10 pm
keylargo-
I suspect the Braves would find the extra money to pay him. But he just doesn’t seem like the type that would string a team along like that, but hey, I’ve been wrong before
And I would be right there with many of you, thrilled if he did decide to play next year. But I’m not going to hold my breath…
nolie
December 30th, 2010
5:11 pm
If you are gonna play the odds then the best approach is to always play them not disregard them at times on a hunch. You have no idea B4 hand that playing them in that situation will not work and no proof that ignoring them will work. Playing them down the line gives you the highest success rate long term, anything else will not . You may gert lucky on the time(s) you ignore them but you have no way of knowing that B4 hand. It’s like poker, I just luv it when I find a player who ignores them and plays by the seat of his pants. He might get lucky once in a while but over time I will clean his clock.
Carroll Rogers
December 30th, 2010
5:14 pm
Here’s what DOB wrote about Wagner during the winter meetings, FYI:
Bay Area Steve
December 30th, 2010
5:15 pm
That’s an interesting point, key. I hadn’t even considered that. I forget how ridiculously tight our payroll seems to be… Down to the last six figures, and scared to keep a guy like Sori around for five minutes for fear of writing a check…
I can’t see ‘em trading the guy. They went down there, asked him to play for 6. They signed a contract with an option, so they knew then it was a possibilty. I think they’d have to find the money elsewhere.
MikeInFl
December 30th, 2010
5:16 pm
You’re right, nolie. Thing is, the “odds” can fluctuate based on game conditions, I would guess. Most notably, who’s running, who’s laying down the bunt, who’s on deck and in the hole, who’s pitching, etc etc.
But, I am not a fan of bunting, generally. And it especially burns me when teams do it in the early innings.
nolie
December 30th, 2010
5:17 pm
another way to look at those charts is that since it does lessen the odds of scoring a greater number of runs, in the long run it will in fact lead to less runs scored in a complete game if you did it regularly. Studies show that a great number of games are won with the run total scored in just one inning, so anything that increases the chance of more runs being scored(not bunting) increases the odds of winning.
Yes there are a few late inning situations when one run will win the game and less favorable options are available that is a good tactic to sacrifice, but the regular use of that approach as a general strategy instead of a specific tactic is counterproductive in the long run
Rob from SC
December 30th, 2010
5:19 pm
Carroll
Did Matt Young get hurt in Winter Ball?
ajj
December 30th, 2010
5:22 pm
Have any of the young arms been throwing any games this winter, Delgado, Teheran, Vizcaino?
Braveheart
December 30th, 2010
5:24 pm
what do you think the Braves would do if he did come back? Find $6.5M to pay him or trade him?
Maybe it was to trick Liberty with the money
Yeah, Wren and Wagner are going Newman/Redford in The Sting on Liberty Media to trick them into upping the payroll when Wagner decides to come back.
Somewhere in Colorado somebody in Liberty Media is reading this and going Admiral Akbar and yelling “IT’S A TRAP!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNLuq0lW50k.
GTSteve
December 30th, 2010
5:27 pm
I don’t think Wags will play next year, but I would feel a lot better about the bullpen if he did
richbrave
December 30th, 2010
5:35 pm
WAGNER’s retirement has recently been discussed indirectly by folks outside the BRAVES org. in this area. To their knowledge nothing has changed on the WAGNER front. Although the limbo thing is intriguing, I don’t personally think anything has changed.
richbrave
December 30th, 2010
5:36 pm
GTSteve
December 30th, 2010
5:27 pm
I don’t think Wags will play next year, but I would feel a lot better about the bullpen if he did
You and me to GTS
richbrave
December 30th, 2010
5:40 pm
Say, maybe BW will sign part-time, home games only.
richbrave
December 30th, 2010
5:41 pm
I sure give him a part-time gig for a couple mill.
Arkansas Transplant
December 30th, 2010
5:43 pm
If Wagner was to decide to return, I’d have to give the Braves a better grade on offense and Bullpen against the Phillies. And possibly by Wagner returning giving the better grade all around on pitching. With a dominate bullpen, it can make your starting pitching look even better.
Arkansas Transplant
December 30th, 2010
5:48 pm
If Wagner was to return and the Braves signed Sheets to a minor league contract with incentives if he made the team out of spring training… if those 2 things happened…who really cares who plays center and becomes our 4th outfielder. We won’t give up any runs, so really one would win it then right? I’m sure we could do that!!
shinburger
December 30th, 2010
6:05 pm
why is marek not being mentioned as being part of the bullpen. Isnt he supposed to be really good or is he not ready yet?
Carroll Rogers
December 30th, 2010
6:05 pm
maybe the braves should just play their games at the Diamond and he can come on over there and pitch, huh richbrave? (smile)
Rob from SC, Matt Young had some minor injury but not a big deal. He’d gotten plenty of at-bats in Mexico and came on home. Should be fine for spring training.
McFann O O
December 30th, 2010
6:06 pm
keylargo You’d better not be late trying to think of a way to tell me how hard BMac works on his conditioning. It will take awhile.
I beg your frickin’ pardon??
james lewis
December 30th, 2010
6:10 pm
Brother Dave Gardner
“James Lewis, James Lewis, you put that wheelbarrow down, you do not know nothin’ ’bout complicated machinery.”
Question:
“Where’s the best place to be when the A-bomb is dropped”
Brother Dave:
“Anywhere you can say, ‘What was that?’”
“Joy to the world”
“What are all the preacher’s gonna’ do when the devil is saved?”
“Contemplate upon it.”
“I believe the mind is beautiful, beloved. And you can think about a whole lots more than you can get.”
“Some people fear the darkness and others run from the light. It is the thing that sustains the two concepts that we are searching for.”
“Rejoice dear hearts.”
RIP DAVE G.
james lewis
December 30th, 2010
6:11 pm
Carroll Rogers
December 30th, 2010
6:05 pm
maybe the braves should just play their games at the Diamond and he can come on over there and pitch, huh richbrave? (smile)
Works for me.
richbrave
December 30th, 2010
6:12 pm
Me too.
keylargo
December 30th, 2010
6:14 pm
Tell me about BMac’s conditioning McFann. I’ve got a party to go to on New Year Eve though. LOL
McFann O O
December 30th, 2010
6:17 pm
keylargo—
Hey, I don’t know every friggin’ detail. But I do not like that you said that it “wasn’t important to him”…he cares a heckuva lot about being the best he cann for the Braves—Ms. Rogers had a post about that the other day, AAMOF.
nolie
December 30th, 2010
6:22 pm
did Brother Dave just pass? hilarious man. RIP Dave
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
6:23 pm
AAMOF ?
nolie
December 30th, 2010
6:27 pm
McFann gettin’ testy lately. I’m gonna be nice to Brian for a while
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
6:30 pm
01/12/08 7:37 PM ET
Notes: McCann embracing yoga
ATLANTA — Determined to get into optimal shape, Brian McCann has put his macho pride aside and entered the world of yoga.
Having already added noticeable muscle to his upper body during regular offseason workouts with his older brother, Brad, and former Brave Mark DeRosa, McCann decided a few weeks ago to begin strengthening his abdominal and lower back muscles by attending yoga classes.
“I just can’t imagine Brian McCann in a yoga outfit,” McCann’s good friend, Jeff Francoeur, playfully said. “Sleeping in tights for an hour doesn’t count as yoga.”
Since coming to the Majors in 2005, McCann, who will turn 24 next month, has lost much of his baby fat. Still, it’s hard to picture, this 6-foot-3, 225-pound All-Star catcher attending yoga classes that are primarily filled by women, some of whom are twice his age.
“It’s awkward,” McCann said with a smile.
After strengthening his shoulders and back, McCann felt the best way to increase his flexibility would be to begin attending these yoga classes with his brother, Brad, who is currently playing in the Royals farm system.
“We were trying to get stronger and we’ve accomplished that,” McCann said. “Now we’re trying to stay flexible, stay loose, don’t get too tight.”
By increasing his flexibility, McCann believes he’ll have greater range behind the plate and not be bothered with the late-season fatigue he felt in his hips this past season. As for the greater upper body strength, he hopes it helps him improve a homer total that dipped from 24 to 18 over the course of the past two seasons.
One of DeRosa’s high school friends is a professional trainer, who every two weeks has sent this trio a DVD that includes a specific workout program aimed at adding upper-body strength.
“We’ve stuck to it and I feel like it’s helped me out tremendously,” McCann said. “This is the best shape I’ve ever been in.”
That was what Heap was doing 2 years ago. I doubt he does less now.
keylargo
December 30th, 2010
6:30 pm
Bat – I think that’s AAMOF is for I’m gonna AXE your AZZZ if you MOUTH OFF FURTHER.
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
6:34 pm
Better you than me, keylargo. I’m following nolie’s lead here.
McFann O O
December 30th, 2010
6:34 pm
Bat M—
“As A Matter Of Fact”.
That was what Heap was doing 2 years ago. I doubt he does less now.
Ja. There was also an article from November 2008 about his diet program thingy…just ’cause there haven’t been any articles this year doesn’t mean he’s not doing anything. He’s entitled to some privacy.
nolie McFann gettin’ testy lately.
Four hours of standing up screen-printing will do that do a person.
I’m gonna be nice to Brian for a while
It’d be best for you in the long-run.
McFann O O
December 30th, 2010
6:35 pm
Yeah, keylargo…that’s exactly what I meant, actually…
Bat M. I’m following nolie’s lead here.
Good for you.
You two have never been that bad, anyway. 
richbrave
December 30th, 2010
6:42 pm
Gratitude is riches, and complaint is poverty, and the worst I ever had was wonderful!.”
“Let them that don’t want none, have memories of not gettin’ any… let that not be their punishment, but their reward.”
“Don’tcha know a diamond ain’t nothin’ but a piece o’ coal that’s stuck with it?
“…folks used to pray to God for rain, and now they call Washington.”
“Say, a Democrat is somebody who expects somethin’ fer nothin’, and a Republican is somebody who expects nothin’ fer somethin’, an’ a Independent is a cat that greases his own car.”
DAVE GARDNER 1926-1983
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
6:44 pm
Bat M—
“As A Matter Of Fact”.
Obvious now, even though I knew better I kept reaching for some blue language. Never had a chance.
McFann O O
December 30th, 2010
6:47 pm
Bat M even though I knew better I kept reaching for some blue language.
Hahahaha! Yeah, after I posted it, I thought it did kinda look bad…
nolie
December 30th, 2010
6:56 pm
I thought he was already dead, but I wasn’t sure.
I wonder what the RIP earlier was all about.
DS1
December 30th, 2010
6:56 pm
Could the Wagner situation be his agent hoping against hope that he will change his mind. Besides, if Wags doesn’t come back, the agent has the second most to lose.
Don’t know the agent though, so this is only conjecture.
BTW, hi folks!
Braveheart
December 30th, 2010
6:57 pm
I’m telling ya, people think McFann is this sweet little girl people need to be all fatherly to and protect, but that girl needs no such protection. Always remember her first few months on the blog way back when. That tough little cookie came on here cutting folks with an 18 inch blade. Then she softened up. But I’ll always remember that scary little girl who frightened the blog for months. Don’t mess with that girl. Not because I’ll do anything to ya, but because I’m afraid of that little girl, and you should be too.
DS1
December 30th, 2010
6:59 pm
richbrave, nolie, Bat, McFann, keylargo……….a virtual who’s who of blogging!
DS1
December 30th, 2010
7:00 pm
and then WW shows!
Who knew?
Marked
December 30th, 2010
7:00 pm
“it’s hard to picture, this 6-foot-3, 225-pound All-Star catcher attending yoga classes that are primarily filled by women, some of whom are twice his age.”
It’s comforting to know Mccann is as fit as a group of 50ish women,
DS1
December 30th, 2010
7:01 pm
Home made Tony Roma’s Creamy Potato Soup for supper tonight with some Texas toast!
yummmmmmmm
DS1
December 30th, 2010
7:02 pm
Compared to some of us, McCann is a picture of health!!
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
7:04 pm
Ha-
Hi Wayne, hope you have had a good holiday season so far.
nolie
December 30th, 2010
7:06 pm
Compared to some of us, McCann is a picture of health!! DS1
yup
DS1
December 30th, 2010
7:09 pm
Bat
Great times; hope you have had the same!
Bat Masterson
December 30th, 2010
7:10 pm
Don’t mess with that girl. Not because I’ll do anything to ya, but because I’m afraid of that little girl, and you should be too. _ Braveheart
Yep, don’t try to play McFann, you’ll lose.