3:36 pm December 21, 2010, by David O'Brien
December 22nd, 201012:34 am
Sorry about the verbal barfing. I started the post then paid some bills (lovely) and came back to it.
It just goes on and on with the requisite typos to boot. My proof reader was clearly Mr Magoo.
Anyway Wren is a good egg but needs cashola, Liberty needs to go and can we get to ST already.
“actually I can remember when T’Hawkin’ was just like Mitchell during the games especially”
Oh, You Already Know What Time It Is when I blog and get Tuned up watching the Games…Once I get a few Samuel Jackson’s in me during the games then it becomes a “Man’s Time of the Month, w/o the Cramps”
December 22nd, 201012:35 am
Nolie, he is better than some of the Phillies fans that have been on here. He is better than the banned dude.
McFann, so true. Have a good night.
why Nick, did I pick on you?
you really believe either CC or Mitchell are medicated. I was a mental health counselor,and I’m pretty sure thaey ain’t. now yopu on the other hand….
December 22nd, 201012:38 am
I guess Trey, but thats like saying that cancer is better than radiation poisoning….
Ryan Adams has at least new album due out in ‘11. Apparently the newest one is going to be a kind of Love Is Hell part 3, he said. Glitsy guitars, etc. I actually worked with a girl (at a church, no less) that used to snort stuff off the tops with Adams in Jacksonville, NC. Calls him Ryan. Was very, very surprised when she learned that he was actually an established musician. It’s weird. But I guess they’ve both recovered, so that’ss good. She said it was hard for him to um, “pursue” the opposite sex in the bars, even when he played in, them because in Jacksonville he was known as the guy with the ‘Effed’ up Teeth”. It’s true that he doesn’t smile in any photos, and I have heard rumors of braces. But he’s a fellow North Carolinian, so I’ll let it all slide.
PS, I can’t think of many more better albums than his Heartbreaker. I think it stands up to anything put out in the last 10 years.
December 22nd, 201012:40 am
I mean, chemotherapy is some what of a good treatment for cancer.
December 22nd, 201012:41 am
“No offense, Tomahawkin, but you also didn’t see anything wrong with Dentz. You’re just an extremely forgiving dude.”
Dude you know me I don’t take offense to anything unless someone steals my moniker name for ill purposees. I’m telling ya, I’m alot more compassionate to bloggers on here…I mean if they watch the games and blog on here for a long time then people have a right to express their opinions on here…At Least Nick, Mitchell and Pauli think its worth their time to hear what braves fans have to say on here…Or is it the Pinot Grigio Talking?
I have beef with the bandwagon fans who show up on the blog during opening day and leave after the 10th game, then proceed to come back on here in September and proceed to front that they were blogging on here the whole season…
December 22nd, 201012:43 am
That’s the thing though. I don’t think they come here to listen to opinions or even express theirs. They come here to piss people off. And they’re pretty good at it.
December 22nd, 201012:44 am
Aight You guys T-Hawkin is “High On Stress” (I saw that on a 1990’s shirt) Time to cool out to some old Toni Braxton
Da Good Shyt!
BRB in 10 minutes!
At Least Nick, Mitchell and Pauli think its worth their time to hear what braves fans have to say on here T’h
say what? They don’t give a rat’s arse about what we have to say, they are here to rant their opinions and dislikes over everybody else whether it drives folks away or not. Get real T’.
December 22nd, 201012:48 am
Nolie, I can hold civil conversations with Mitchell, a little less with Nick, and not at all with Paulie.
December 22nd, 201012:50 am
“I mean if they watch the games and blog on here for a long time then people have a right to express their opinions on here.”
I couldn’t agree more. Just the same, if I think Nick is a douche, I have the right to say so.
Kinda makes you miss Stinky.
December 22nd, 201012:51 am
I’m gonna shut up about it Trey. Each of us has their likes and dislikes, I’ve made mine known well enough over time… likely too much I guess.
December 22nd, 201012:59 am
Its Easy Though…As much as you ignore my BF’s during games (and you know I’m prone to them) its easy to ignore rants if they make you mad or play with your emotions….
December 22nd, 20101:00 am
Nolie, very true.
December 22nd, 20101:03 am
Dammit Megan is going to be over she she is off work…Dammitt, she snores like a phyucker….Grrrr! I can’t get used to this…Bring back sumertime, braves games and Lake Lanier!
T’ I just do not like the fact that they know they are making the board experience less enjoyable for many folks and they continue to do it anyway. that’s the gist of it.
Now like I said I’m gonna shut my trap. and keep it shut this time about this subject.
December 22nd, 20101:04 am
toss her out…or quityer bellyachin’
December 22nd, 20101:05 am
Hello Every one! I think DOB, answers all my questions……My favorite music is the old stuff like Guns N’ Roses, Poison,The Doors, Arosmith. ext…..
December 22nd, 20101:06 am
Nolie..Its Offseason, you are in full effect mode lol, thinking about that…”Can’t you just like free your mind or something…?” I heard that off of Beavis and Butthead
but I do miss Soph and RHR up in here during gametime!
You’re an idiot if you don’t think having a large payroll greatly increases a team’s chances of winning the WS.
will DS1 be able to remain the sensitive one after that thrust? Tune in later to find out
nolie earlier tonight……..
Dang nolie, you’d think that young man don’t like me or sumthin!
December 22nd, 20101:08 am
caint imagine that Wayne, especially now days. why you is just about the most luvable old coot on here any more
December 22nd, 20101:09 am
I would like to see Beau Tolbert backing up Prado…..
December 22nd, 20101:10 am
You younguns have been going out and back about music all day. Not that there is anything wrong with that……
But I gotta say I bet I never heard of 95% of the bands mentioned. Where the heck have I been the past 20 years? I guess I missed out while raising my kids.
Some of these guys just aint worth the trouble. I agree with nolie. I think most of them are here because they want to make as many folks miserable as possible.
December 22nd, 20101:11 am
I must be a better salesman than I thought, I got ole nolie sold fore shure!
December 22nd, 20101:12 am
Is Beau Tolbert this years Mitch Jones? (wasn’t that the sluggers name we got out of the Dodgers system last winter?)
December 22nd, 20101:15 am
In country Travis Tritt, Allen Jackson, Clint Black,Tracy Adkins ext…..
yeah I think so DS1, prolly with the same result. We do have a coupla interesting signees this year though.
Kinda makes you miss Stinky.
That brought a smile to my face!
December 22nd, 20101:17 am
Merle Haggard, Hank Williams Sr, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Johnny Cash, Lacy J Dalton etc
yea, that CF’er and that infielder could be interesting to watch this spring.
Anybody think Keppinger of the Astros might be worth a prospect?
I read DOB article on Beau, and he is invited to Spring Training this year…..
December 22nd, 20101:18 am
And who can forget the Possum!
Nolie those are cool Cd’s too….
December 22nd, 20101:19 am
“He stopped loving her today. They placed a wreath upon his door. And soon they’ll carry him away, he stopped loving her today!”
Greatest song lyrics I have ever heard.
(Doug Stone’s “Better Off in a Pine Box” is a close second, in my book!)
December 22nd, 20101:20 am
I don’t think Wren plans to do any thing until mid season…..
December 22nd, 20101:21 am
ward, and it may be another Stankiel.
B.B. King is cool too…..and Blues music…..
December 22nd, 20101:23 am
All we can do is see what Beau brings, and hope he brings promise…..
December 22nd, 20101:24 am
ward and nolie
I really think either McLouth or Schafer (or hopefully both) will have turnaround years this year. I believe the pen will suffer a tad bit from inexperience, but will do well. I also think the rotation will rank right up there close to the Phillies and the Giants.
Chipper is the big question mark. If he doesn’t start 125-130 games, we might have issues in LF when Prado is NOT out there.
I just don’t see Mather being good enough, though as a fan, I am always hopeful.
If we can keep our roster relatively healthy, we have a shot.
December 22nd, 20101:25 am
It’s ok, don’t think I’d put Pine Box up there with some others
December 22nd, 20101:29 am
not what I meant to say…….I just love the line: I’d be better off in a pine box, on a slow train back to Georgia, or in the gray walls of a prison doing time. I think I’d rather die and go to hell and face the devil, than to lie here, with you and him, together on my mind.”
DS1: Ilike Schafer ore than Mclouth, but i’m willing to give Mclouth a chance, and I think Mather will make the club, and if any one gets hurt, bring in Beau Tolbert….or Matt Young….
December 22nd, 20101:31 am
gotcha Wayne. it is a good line
December 22nd, 20101:32 am
I got to look more at my spelling before I hit the submit…..
I like your spunk fella. I too am a big prospect hugger. But I am a realist too. But dang it I’m going to pull for our kids until they show me they need to go back to Dubois or wherever they came from.
Guess that’s why they call us fans.
Folks, I am going to head off to bed. Gotta get out tomorrow and finish my Christmas shopping. My excuse for waiting to the last couple of days (some times it’s Christmas eve) is that I do well under pressure!
See ya on the flip side.
December 22nd, 20101:33 am
I don’t know how DOB can really enjoy so many albums. My core music that stays with me over the decades ( I’ll call them my 20 year collection) probably only comes to 50 or so. Brothers is the first in several years that seems like might be in my rotation in 20 years.
December 22nd, 20101:35 am
Hey, I’ll be the first to give you a ration of shyt for some funny spelling, but don’t sweat the small stuff.
Our bad efforts at spelling has made for some funny bloggisms over time: Chew the fact with my buddies, your and idiot, crime shame, pre-madonna, looser, and others.
I was the 8th grade spelling bee champ back in my day, and I still screw it up plenty!
DS1: Nite, and have fun shopping……..
December 22nd, 20101:37 am
DOB – great blog and nice work with the CD list. About the Braves chances next year, I just dont see how we can keep up with the phils. i think we will win the wild card again which is fine. doesnt matter how you get there as long as you do. im not ready to say philly has the best rotation of all time because i do not think that our rotation is that far behind them. sure halladay and lee are great and oswalt and hamels arent bad either, but the way lowe finished last year i feel really good about him as a number 2 behind hudson. hanson will get better and jj should return to form as long as he is healthy. losing werth was a loss for the phils. you cant lose a bat like werth and still think that offense stays as good. look at it this way, we added uggla and they lost werth. so this may sound crazy but with prado 100 percent and (hopefully) a 120 plus games from chipper i think our offense is just as good as the phils. i like our bullpen depth more but until one of the kids lock down that closer role, ill lean towards the phils.
so here is how i would rank nl teams as of right now
1. SF 2. PHI 3. ATL 4. STL 5. MIL 6. COL 7. CIN 8. NYM
December 22nd, 20101:46 am
I don’t like the Wild Card,but it’s better than nothing. I’m still going to root for the Division Title. I think we have a good shot at The Division Title too….
I get more for my money when I have less to spend, it forces me (often w/considerable pain), to look b/4 leaping. Maybe that’s the Yankees current problem.
December 22nd, 20101:47 am
Well every one, have a good one, and nite to you,and peace, and goodwill towards men. and peace to all……
December 22nd, 20102:01 am
Do they have beaches in Kansas City?
December 22nd, 20102:03 am
no but they have buffets
December 22nd, 20102:04 am
Enjoyed reading the Frank Wren interview.
December 22nd, 20102:21 am
“The Guitar Song” by Jamey Johnson is the best CD of the year. Great call on including that DOB.
December 22nd, 20102:59 am
VaBravesFan………Your 6:18pm was correct in that The Dipper impacts the game…….in a way that stalls the Braves offense.
You cant have a #3 hitter making $14 mil who is at a point in his career where he’d be lucky to hit .270 with 10 homers, 50 RBIs and play in 100 games…..and expect to seriously compete to win the World Series.
December 22nd, 20103:03 am
VaBravesFan……in your 6:26pm post, you said that it would be nice to “see The Dipper hit over 300. with a obp close to 400. 10-15 homers the Rbi’s will come with him hitting tons of singles and doubles”.
It would be nice if I won the Mega Millions lottery.
Not a band wagon fan
December 22nd, 20103:11 am
Dave, I am starting to like you and your work as much as I liked to listen to Skip Caray (even though we don’t agree on music preference). I appreciate your off-season writings about the Braves. I always make it a priority to read your posts. Again, thanks.
Jeremy – Greenville, SC
December 22nd, 20103:13 am
Couple other CD gems: Fistful of Mercy (debut CD) and Crowded House “Intriguer”…
off-topic: I went to a Best Buy and it is starting to look like Target. Terrible selection. No wonder music sales are in the tank!
December 22nd, 20103:16 am
cabravesfan………..I said last night that I’m in Dillon, Colorado visiting my brother for a couple of weeks. Plenty of skiing in this resort community.
By the way, I enjoyed myself on the slopes today.
The classiness is overwhelming.
December 22nd, 20103:20 am
hey DOB, tell ol’ soldier mcgee its the offseason. And not to fret, old soldiers never die…they just fade away.
December 22nd, 20103:38 am
N8……………I liked your reasoning in your 10:57pm post. However, I wouldnt call Medlen’s injury a “blessing in disguise”.
The effect that Halladay and Lee will have on the Phillies will go beyond what they individually do on the mound. It will extend to the effect that their complete games will have on saving their bullpen.
December 22nd, 20103:42 am
Tango Romeo Echo Yankee………..you are correct, I am a Braves fan……who is more concerned with seeing the Braves WIN…….then I am with seeing over the hill, way past their prime, injury riddled, overpaid FRAUDS like The Dipper hit in the all important #3 slot of the batting order.
December 22nd, 20103:44 am
nolie………..you nailed it with your 11:12pm post. While money isnt the only factor in building a championship…..it does greatly increase your chances to win one.
December 22nd, 20103:49 am
N8………..Wow, your 11:19pm post came out “guns blazing” when it came to blasting sheesh. I cant say that I found fault with anything you said.
The argument you put forth defending your position in that post is pretty impressive.
Instead of being offended when one “challenges” your position on something…..this blog would be much better if others on here looked at “challenges” as being an OPPORTUNITY to further justify your opinions.
Again, impressive post.
December 22nd, 20103:50 am
N8………..Man you are on a roll! You hit another one out of the park with your 11:23 post.
December 22nd, 20104:09 am
Poor Wren. He ALWAYS tows the corporate line… while McGuirk and Liberty Media just smile all the way to the bank.
Are you gelling us fans, Mr Wren, that you prefer an $84 mill payroll to a $184 mill???
December 22nd, 20104:25 am
It’s been amusing reading the 8 pages of opinions on the new blog. Seeing many of you on here is like seeing a pig wallow in slop. You’ll eat anything, lol.
Frank Wren is trying to make the best of the payroll he has. I just wish that he’d be more willing to say publicly that it’s the responsibility of the Braves organization to increase attendance by putting a more ENTERTAINING and WINNING product on the field that will inspire the casual and non-diehard fan to come.
Other than that, I have confidence that more times than not,he’ll make moves to improve the roster.
December 22nd, 20104:52 am
Christopher Chance:It’s funny how you can only talk when evey one is gone. You ,and your little pals….. And try to act all big, which proves my piont. Your nothing, but an idiot………………………………………………………………….you are truely pathetic little man………………..
December 22nd, 20105:00 am
man that whole mess was so pathetic, I’m embarrassed for you.. off your meds again, huh?
fat, balding and stupid is no way to go through life. May God have mercy on your soul.
Conyers Braves Fan
December 22nd, 20105:20 am
DOB:Normally I enjoy your blogs about the Braves. In this case, I had to sift through so many comments (seems to abouth half of them) about CD`s etc. that I got tired.
Anyway, no real complaints. You do a great job keeping us informed about the Braves.
December 22nd, 20105:26 am
Forgive him Lord, for he knows not what he says.
December 22nd, 20105:28 am
Nolie: You have a good one budy……Nite All……
December 22nd, 20105:29 am
nite ward, peace & love
December 22nd, 20106:43 am
Right now, I like everything about our team except the OF. IMO our 4 outfielders are Heyward, McClouth, Prado, and probably Matt Young. I personally dont think McClouth is going to cut it, offensively or defensively, and when Prado goes to 3B this year or next year for Chipper either because of injury or retirement, the OF is even worse. If possible, I think we make a move that helps us this year, and even more next year. Trade JJ to the Yanks for Gardner. Gardner becomes our starting CF and leadoff hitter. McClouth becomes our 4th Of, and slides into LF where his arm is less of a liability when Prado moves to 3rd. We also already have Gardner for next year and beyond when McClouth is nontendered. We can afford to give up JJ and the Yanks need him. Because JJ is represented by Boras, we probably cant sign him longterm. He will cost about 3m this year, and next year we probably trade him anyway. We have Minor and Beachy for the 4th and 5th spots in the rotation to begin the year, but by July, this could be altered by Teheran, Delgado, or Medlin, and we definitely have all 3 ready to go next year. Of course, the Yankees have to agree, but I see this as a trade that helps both teams.
December 22nd, 20107:24 am
braveshoo……the Braves would struggle big time if they began the year with Beachy and Minor as our 4th and 5th starters. Also, trading Jurrjens straight up for Gardener would be a steal of a deal for the Yankees. It’s much easier to find a lead-off hitter, then it is to find a quality, young starting pitcher who eats up innings and can pitch under pressure like Jurrjens.
I’d trade Lowe straight up for Gardner (however, as I’ve said before, the Braves should try to include either Kawanappy’s or McLousy’s contract in any Lowe deal to the Yankees….especially if the Yankees didnt want to give up anything of quality in a trade).
December 22nd, 20107:35 am
I see ole PL is back at it again, what a waste of time and effort to try and weed through all of his posts.
Red Herring My Azz!
December 22nd, 20107:40 am
“The economics are really a function of our market size and the revenues that are coming in. It’s not because there’s an owner saying ‘You’re not going to do this.’ It’s just a function or our market. And like I said, I can reel off half a dozen other markets very similar to us that do have local owners, who are doing it the same way we’re doing it. So that’s a bit of a red herring when you always want to throw it on Liberty.”
Know what is a bit of a red herring? When you lower payroll after swearing up and down you aren’t gonna lower payroll and still swear you didn’t lower payroll when Cots and half a dozen other media outlets report you ACTUALLY DID lower payroll. Wren would say he had enough payroll to compete if his payroll consisted of $1500 and a box of Twinkies to pay the players. It’s his job to give the predictable, company line, answers to the questions he knows are coming.
Wren, Mcquirk or anyone with any sense isn’t going to come out in an interview and say, “yeah the fact is Liberty could give a rats azz about the fans and this franchise. It’s terrible to be owned by a faceless conglomerate! Local ownership by a committed individual or small group would be much better than those Liberty jokers!”
Nope….. they ain’t gonna say that even if they believe it’s true. Why? Because they would be unemployed tomorrow. I know if I said that in a public forum about the company I work for I would likely be looking for another job.
December 22nd, 20107:45 am
Braves man and a rocker. DOB, youre the best.
December 22nd, 20107:55 am
Will Ryan Madson and Lidge both have another good year together? Will the Braves 2nd year Pitchers on the end of our games be as good as last year? I have to say odds here are about even. Ryan Madson is playing towards Free agency, but I think starters and position players have better last year before new contracts than the end of the bullpen. Rollins is also playing for free agency or a new contract. (Can’t figure how they will afford him and Oswalt or either). Rollins in definitely on the down swing as we are afraid Uggla will be by the end of his new contract. So what will be the difference this year? What the Braves have missed for the past 2 years? A big Right handed bat in the middle of their line up. WE had one May last year and it got us into the playoffs. The Phillies will miss Worth more than his numbers the last two years show. There will not be a veteran right hand bat to protect their great left handed batter. The results maybe that Howard has a down year. Then THEY become the wildcard team instead of the Braves.
December 22nd, 20108:07 am
N8 from last night, the 3rd tiebreaker for the NFL is actually record vs common opponents. The Falcons have a two game lead on that one, so if Atlanta loses to the Saints this week, as long as they beat Carolina next week they still win the division.
December 22nd, 20108:21 am
No offense Chris, but I strongly Disagree. Minor will be in the rotation anyway, so what you are talking about is Beachy vs JJ. JJ was hurt last year and had a poor record. We both agree he is much better than that, and thats why the Yankees want him, but we were able to win last year with JJ hurt and we can make it without him this year. Beachy had a great ERA in the minors last year, and pitched well under pressure at the end of the year. We will be fine with him as our 5th starter,
Gardner is fast and plays excellent defense. He hit .277, .383 OBP, stole 47 bases in 56 attempts, Scored 97 runs, and had 47 RBI’s. He’s not arbitration eligble for 2 more years, so he is both young and inexpensive. IMO he is better than “the flying Hawaian” of the Phills and much cheaper. A good leadoff hitter with speed makes our entire lineup better, and impoving our defense up the middle in CF will help all our pitchers. If the Yankees will take McClouth too, all the better, but I would do the deal either way.
Braves for life
December 22nd, 20108:22 am
Im very concerned they are putting to much stock in Chipper and when (and he will go down) he goes down our lineup will be weak. Brooks Conrad is not a major league player, hes a major league waist of bench space and that will show badly this year. Rest of team I like. I just think we are really weak in the outfield with McLouth and whoever because Prado will be at 3rd all year.
December 22nd, 20108:25 am
See, the Braves spent 89.2 million in 2010.
AL champion Texas was 22nd at $74.3 million. Joining the Rangers in the postseason from the bottom half by spending were Atlanta (16th at $89.2 million), Cincinnati (19th) and Tampa Bay (20th at $77.5 million).
December 22nd, 20108:37 am
So much nicer catching up with the blog this morning…much less auto scrolling necessary.
December 22nd, 20108:42 am
You know, I was just watching video highlights of Hanson’s starts and I got to tell you, I am really impressed with his mound presence. I mean, the guy doesnt seem to waiver one bit, its like he is a 10 year veteran that doesnt get shaken easily. I love that about him.
Efrim: See, the Braves spent 89.2 million in 2010.
That doesn’t help the case. Perhaps Wren is right, the anger is mis-directed. That it isn’t Liberty Media’s fault the reigns are pulled on spending… It’s for some reason the Front Office and Terry are crimping it. The change in payroll from the year 2000 when adjusted for inflation is -$20M. When I have the time I’ll go back through and find the Braves press releases on ticket/concession price increases over this period. My hypothesis is that these two revenue streams have seen an increase in price in ten years. Coupled with that hypothesis is that non-ticket/concession merchandise has also seen an increase in price. One data point thoroughly discussed on this blog is that the Braves have had remarkably consistent attendance. Perhaps the increase in prices mirrors directly with the increase in CPI. If so, it will show that there is an adjusted net decrease in payroll over that same period. Which makes it a little absurd to dismiss certain free agents as “too expensive.” Maintaining a constant payroll adjusted for inflation would provide enough for the “too expensive” free agent.
December 22nd, 20108:46 am
Larry The Cable Guy : “That’s a lot of sucky music right thar, let me tell ya”.
The Phillies have just put together 4 aces by signing Cliff Lee. I’ve never seen 4 aces lose in a poker game (the rare times someone has gotten 4 aces) have you ? This is baseball but when most teams have one ace and possibly two, the Phillies have four. You are right about the Marlins,Mets,& Nats being behind the Braves but forgot to state the Braves are far behind the Phillies as well.
As expected Wren defended Liberty Media because hey they pay his salary no less… What was he gonna say ? “They need to up the payroll so we can compete” ??? He just tows the company line with the “everything’s fine” routine.
December 22nd, 20108:50 am
The Phillies have just put together 4 aces by signing Cliff Lee. I’ve never seen 4 aces lose in a poker game (the rare times someone has gotten 4 aces) have you ? — Trickster
So I guess it’s a good thing teams aren’t playing the Phillies in poker?
By the way, most Braves fans don’t have to think too long to remember a team or two that had four aces and didn’t win the World Series, Trickster.
December 22nd, 20108:51 am
December 22nd, 20108:52 am
Trickster, you act like all four of those pitchers will be pitching in the same game everyday. They wont. So while their rotation is stacked, it takes a team to win games, not just one player. I believe the Braves have the better overall team as far as chemistry goes. Phillies may have the better rotation, but I believe the Braves have the better team.
December 22nd, 20108:59 am
I still have my “Five Aces” poster… sporting the blazing Pistol Pete Smith.
When those four go 80-12 and the Phillies win 118 games DOB, you revisit this conversation and remind yourself what four aces can do on a team, ok ?
December 22nd, 20109:01 am
By thw way, Pete Smith,Denny Neagle,nor Steve Avery were ever true aces. Maddux,Glavine,Smoltz were the 3 aces. But the Phillies have 4.
There can’t be more than one Anders…
Q. Is Jeff Francouer worth $13 million a year? – Anders
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