Braves’ Wren on payroll, ownership; DOB’s Top 50 CDs

What about Medlen Sheesh? 14 starts, Braves went 13-1 in those starts.

So while we LOST our most productive pitcher (if based on team wins per start), you gained yours in Oswalt for the stretch run.

Only a moron wouldn’t see that those to roster changes pretty much shifted the balance of power.

How about Heyward not being able to grip a bat for two months, but playing through it? You talk about DL stints. Sounds like your guys have a vagina/manliness issue to deal with. They should have man’d up and toughed it out.

Oh that’s right, with our payroll, we didn’t have billionaires at every position. So our 20 year old rookie had to suck it up and play because there was no better option.

Face facts dude. Braves handled the Phillies all year. Then when they were at their lowest point of health the Phillies swooped in and handled them. Without Roy Oswalt, you guys finish 5 games back. Maybe further.

THEN, you get your asses handed to you by the Giants. Chokers.

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Soph

“T’hawkin, tell me about Megan.”

She Will be, how should I say Dismissed before New Years “Bank On It!”

She is trying to change me…I’m older than her and she gets mad when I bump My old 80’s and 90’s R&B/Rap… And obviously she hates it when I’m on the cpu…

And The Number one reason! She is being scandoulouz (dating other dudes)…I have proof of that monday

But there is nothing better than a chick who likes that Mariah…Its soooo good having a Total playlist of that Mariah on my laptop…That shyt is still on point!

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The Phillies let Werth go because he is not “werth” what the Nats paid him. Plus I think they have a budding young star outfielder in the wings. I don’t blame Werth for taking the money. He’s got his ring. Now he’s got a great retirement plan.

Trey, you are right. But the Phillies list of injured players has numerous current All-Star-caliber players. And the whole point was that even if you have an inordinate number of injuries, when your talent pool is that deep, you can still overcome it. If I had named all the players on the Phillies who were marginal or non-factors like you did, the list would have been longer. Of the Braves players on your list, the only loss that killed the Braves chances in the post-season was Prado. Marginal players can be replaced with other marginal players without suffering significant consequences.

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Sorry cab, forgot you don’t like the term chick!

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Trey-

A chick is a baby bird, NOT a person!

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sheesh, I am sure I forgot to mention some more players on there. My thing is that if you are going to say that your team didn’t have first place due to injuries; why can’t we say we lost first place due to injuries? Remember, we had the biggest injury to the whole Braves organization, Kawakami as pitcher.

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“cabravesfan

December 21st, 2010
9:41 pm
Trey-

A chick is a baby bird, NOT a person!”

Yeah, Cab!!!

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cab, at least it’s not as bad as what guys used back in the 30s!

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MIBravesFan -

Just one of my pet peeves

Trey-

Such as?

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where is he skiing? He lives in San Francisco, right? There isn’t really anyplace you can ski up there just for the day…we can only hope he’ll be gone a while…

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cab, they used”dames”, or “broads”.

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Trey-

Still not as bad as chick…

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Trey-

I see…

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Tomahawkin, if you ever hit VA; go to Portsmouth, and they have a place called the Final Frontier. Kind of expensive, but you get to choose your music.

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where is he skiing? He lives in San Francisco, right?

Hey, he surprises us. DOB/the world says we don’t want him here, and he goes through painstaking lengths to come back to a place where he’s not wanted, and where he gets furious.

And just when you think you can’t lower your opinion of him, BAM….he finds a way to do something stupider.

So yeah, he’ll find a way to ski in San Francisco

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Anyway…let’s talk baseball…

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Bat Masterson

[Paullie Liinntz Got Bozo’d again]

“He’ll be back when he wants to come back. DOB posted several comments about that this morning.”

Yeah, I need to check the posts…D.O.B. put me on Blast for being compassionate towards him because I have said that i have never gotten into it with him…he must have a short fuse with other bloggers he has seen on here for years?

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Poet

Awesome.
Please make sure to save your “I ain’t shook” poem. I have a feeling we might be needing it during the season.

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Poet–

POST OF THE YEAR.

Except, I think he was the one who got bullied and not the bully himself.

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The injury that hurt the Braves most in 2009 was to Wagner – up to that point they were holding their own. Once he went down they did not have people to replace him and that is what worries me most about 2011 – will Venters and Kimbrel be studs that will see them through in the end game? They both have the stuff but do they have the mind set to be closing?

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Ooh, someone please repost the other poem or tell me where I can find it. I haven’t seen it yet.

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Trey

“Tomahawkin, if you ever hit VA; go to Portsmouth, and they have a place called the Final Frontier. Kind of expensive, but you get to choose your music.”

That sounds Dope…I have been wanting to hear that Big Boy/Purple Ribbon All Stars “Kryptonite” at a club but I never hear…That song is my jam! I lose my voice to that!

And I always have to bump that R. Kelly “Ignition Remix” on a Friday…Its sooo logical!

And Nelly’s “Tip Drill” is my ultimate fast grind song

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Soph-

It’s on the previous blog, but I know one or two people copied it (hopefully Poet is one of them!)- it was great (Tom copied it, I’m pretty sure- if no one else has it he may if he pops up tonight)

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You may like it T’.

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…and, lo, the Braves in their graves had been laid,
although nary, not one, single game had been played
yes fans, fairly weathered, except for a few
said the Phillies got Lee, God help us, we’re through

but a cry arose from a noble man, Lew
hold up, wait a minute, the Braves are great too
they may not have Hamels, Lee and two Roys,
but they’ve got some gritty, hard-playing boys

and so it came to be in the land called Blog
loyalties were questioned, fans lost in a fog
battered by pundits, declaring who would win
hopes dashed, they succumbed, one by one, to the spin

but there came a retort, one well fit for a book
from a Brave young man simply saying, “I ain’t shook.”

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Bravo. Very nice. Good stuff, Poet.

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Yeah, and I feel terrible about it too.

Because now we’re all paying for it

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This is a bit old, but this is crazy…

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/10/world/asia/10military.html?_r=1&hp

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“Snotboogie

December 21st, 2010
9:58 pm
…and, lo, the Braves in their graves had been laid,
although nary, not one, single game had been played
yes fans, fairly weathered, except for a few
said the Phillies got Lee, God help us, we’re through

but a cry arose from a noble man, Lew
hold up, wait a minute, the Braves are great too
they may not have Hamels, Lee and two Roys,
but they’ve got some gritty, hard-playing boys

and so it came to be in the land called Blog
loyalties were questioned, fans lost in a fog
battered by pundits, declaring who would win
hopes dashed, they succumbed, one by one, to the spin

but there came a retort, one well fit for a book
from a Brave young man simply saying, “I ain’t shook.”

Cool! (Am I the only one who wonders, though, if “I ain’t shook” doesn’t sound like J-Hey? Are we sure he really said that?)

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Some really talented poets on here. This page is really full of talented folks. Got talented artists, have talented poets, and I wonder what else we have.

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I logged on to see CC/PL vs. the blog 2.0 and see that he had not made an appearance. Must have gotten his LSAT scores and decided he needed to study more and rant till 4 in the morning less.

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Trey

There is only one poet and 2 poems – I just reposted his earlier one.

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Snot, yeah but the poet is really talented.

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I am a Braves fan since 1979, definitely not a Phillies fan. Just because I point out that the Phillies have more star power and depth than the Braves does not mean I am a Phillies fan. I don’t see how any objective person can argue that. The opposite was true in the 1990’s. The Braves were the mighty giants that the rest of the league wanted to slay. That is not the case anymore. I’m not being anti-Brave in saying that (at least not trying to be). It’s just the way it is. I would love for the Braves to hand the Phillies their head. I just don’t think they have the troops to do that these days. And the past few years have proved that.

GT Alum, I’m not sure I get your point. You pulled one stat out to make a point (and Prado’s number was slightly higher) and used that to argue that Chipper was better (or as good?) as Prado now? Ask any MLB personnel expert who they would rather have between Chipper and Prado now. That’s a no-brainer, man. And you obviously ignored my comment about Chipper being hot for a week before he got hurt. You are right, we will never know. I tend to believe that he would have regressed a bit from his hot streak.

N8, Medlen was a significant loss. The Braves did have strength and depth at pitching, so they were able to overcome that loss. But if you think Medlen was their most productive pitcher, you obviously did not see Hudson pitch. Or Hanson. Both were superior to Medlen at his best in 2010. I won’t call you a moron because that would be rude. Oh, and I am not saying that Oswalt did not make a difference. He obviously did. Which again backs up my original point about the depth across the board of the Phillies roster. The Phillies did the smart thing and did not have to man-up and tough it out. They let their guys get reasonably healthy. And do you know why? Because its better to be smart than tough, tough guy. They knew it was smarter to let their players heal because they knew they had the depth to still win the division. N8, you sound like a bitter, closet Royals fan who pulls for the Braves because the Royals are awful. Am I right, KC boy? lol

Trey, I don’t think the Braves lost first place so much because they had injuries as I believe the Phillies won it because of their depth. Every team has injuries. The Braves injuries certainly did not help their cause. We can play “what if” all day, but in the end, all that matters regarding the 2010 season is “what is” and “what was”. If the Braves (more specifically, Liberty Media) had the desire to fatten the payroll, the Braves could add the insurance that the Phillies, Yankees, Red Sox, and Angels add to their rosters most seasons. But to me, it is actually more fun to watch a team that is not over-paid with super stars win (even if they don’t win it all) than it is to be disappointed by a super star team like the Phillies, Yankees, and Red Sox when they don’t win.

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What if Poet turned out to be ward?

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What if Finkle turned out to be Einhorn?

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“Bravefaninok

December 21st, 2010
10:09 pm
Cool! (Am I the only one who wonders, though, if “I ain’t shook” doesn’t sound like J-Hey? Are we sure he really said that?)

they said it was a tweet ….”

I know. I hope it was, because it was a great thing for him to say, if he really did!

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Sheesh, I do admit that the Phillies have the deeper roster. As they should. Payroll is considerably higher.

As for me calling you stupid, I’ll take it back since your not a troll.

Hate trolls.

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just cause you is edumacated don’t mean ya don’t use no coloquialisms and slanguage

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I believe the Phillies won it because of their depth

So your saying the depth of the phillies pockets is why they won the division,you may be correct.

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Crime Dog. well done

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“Bravefaninok

December 21st, 2010
10:27 pm
I believe the Phillies won it because of their depth

So your saying the depth of the phillies pockets is why they won the division,you may be correct.”

Also true!

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“Trey, I don’t think the Braves lost first place so much because they had injuries as I believe the Phillies won it because of their depth. Every team has injuries. The Braves injuries certainly did not help their cause. We can play “what if” all day, but in the end, all that matters regarding the 2010 season is “what is” and “what was”. If the Braves (more specifically, Liberty Media) had the desire to fatten the payroll, the Braves could add the insurance that the Phillies, Yankees, Red Sox, and Angels add to their rosters most seasons. But to me, it is actually more fun to watch a team that is not over-paid with super stars win (even if they don’t win it all) than it is to be disappointed by a super star team like the Phillies, Yankees, and Red Sox when they don’t win.”

The payroll doesn’t always make a difference. If it did; I highly doubt the Yankees would have finshed behind Tampa and Boston would have highly finished behind both. The Phillies are tough, don’t get me wrong; but I really wouldn’t put them in the same department as the Yankees like Phillistein did earlier. The Yankees have 27 or 28 WS titles and the Phillies just got their second in 2008. The Phillies were better than us in the end, but the Braves put up one hell of a fight up until that last road series in Philadelphia. However, we had star players hurt at the time and we were running on fumes. If we hadn’t had the injuries to Prado, Jones, or even Jurrjens; I honestly believe we could have won more games. Don’t forget, we pitched with Kawakami for a lotta the season and he is no Cy Young. Hell, I don’t think I could put him in the same boat as Albie Lopez.

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I like that…First Batsman. can we use that instead of leadoff hitter or does it mean something else?

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“N8, Medlen was a significant loss. The Braves did have strength and depth at pitching, so they were able to overcome that loss. But if you think Medlen was their most productive pitcher, you obviously did not see Hudson pitch.” Sheesh

Two things.

First of all, I’ll repeat… the TEAM went 13-1 in Medlens starts. After he went down, Minor and Beachy made 11 starts. The TEAM when 4-7 in those 11 starts.

I’d say losing Medlen was very significant. The numbers don’t lie.

Second of all, I watched Hudson, Hanson and Lowe…. hell… I watched about 150 or so of the 162 games this year. I’m aware that they were PERSONALLY more productive than Medlen.

But that’s not what I said (and I quote):

“So while we LOST our most productive pitcher (if based on team wins per start)….”

Kinda hard to beat going 13-1 in his 14 starts, wouldn’t you say?

Braves went 20-14 in Hudson’s starts (.604)
Braves went 19-15 in Hanson’s starts (.558)
Braves went 18-15 in Lowe’s starts (.545)
Braves went 12-8 in Jurrjens’ starts (.600)
Braves went 13-1 in Medlen’s starts (.928)
Braves went 4-7 in Beachy/Minor starts (.363)

Again. Down the stretch, losing Medlen might have been the biggest loss of all.

Beachy & Minor combined to make 3 starts against Philly in September. Lasting a combined 10.1 Innings, and going 0-3 in those 3 starts.

The Braves were 2-0 in games against Philly started by Medlen. He also picked up W’s in back to back days out of the pen against them early in the year.

Again. I’ll repeat. Losing Kris Medlen pretty much sucked. Time for Braves fans to recognize how much he gave the team a chance to win when he pitched last year.

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Moe

I’d say 1A and 1B simply because of the different eras. The best thing about Sachin is that he has at different times been mentioned in the same breath as Lara, M.Waugh and even Ricky Ponting. But the little guy has been chugging along since, what, ‘89 leaving everybody else in his wake. Far behind.

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On the other hand, there are obvious exceptions to my assumption!

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I watch baseball quite a bit. I have for 31 years now. Mostly the Braves. Good or bad. They are my favorite sports team of all time. They have given me many great memories. I was at Game 6 of the World Series in 1995. Chipper Jones is one my all-time favorite players. He should be a first-ballot HOFer. I hope he comes back strong in 2011. I hate the Phillies. I hate the Mets more. I hate the Yankees and Red Sox, too.

I might be a pretender here on this blog. I guess I don’t know what it takes to be considered a contender here. I don’t contribute to it much. Just read it a lot, mostly. Sometimes I feel the urge to post, usually to point out where I think the Braves are weak. I don’t feel the need to be a rah-rah fan who just admires all the pretty things about the Braves. I want them to be better, so I point out the areas where I think they could get better. That’s all.

Chipper is good player now. Not great anymore. Just good. He had a mediocre season. What can I say? For a 3-hole hitter, he had a mediocre season. Even he thought it was mediocre that he started talking retirement. The Braves would have been better with him in the line-up in the post-season than Conrad(obviously), but losing Prado was the death knell. Chipper could just as easily made an error as Infante. I’ve seen him do it.

Anyway, the whole point of my posting today was that the Braves need to improve both their bullpen and their bench to compete for the wild card. A division title would be icing on the cake, but I think that is a pipe dream. The Phillies have superior talent. I hope the Braves can overcome it in 2011. If not in the regular season, in the NLCS. But it would be more likely if they had more depth. Not super stars, but something more than Linebrink, Sherrill, and the question marks on the bench besides Hinske.

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1 game canceled due to indifference?

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Doesn’t matter what the Phillies do, they can’t beat us in 2011. We took Yohan Flande from them and now they are going to suck so bad Dyson will be trying to patent them for his next bagless vac.

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