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Bat Masterson
December 26th, 2010
5:36 pm
VJ_
They’re the Giants,nothing easy about them, keep some nitroglycerin handy.
Soph
December 26th, 2010
5:38 pm
Well, the last thing I needed was both of the teams matching each other score for score. Not helping.
Snotboogie
December 26th, 2010
5:38 pm
Boy, watching even a segment of a Tom Brady interview is excruciating. What a giant wussy d-nozzle.
keylargo
December 26th, 2010
5:44 pm
I was among the bloggers who thought Rubicon should have been renewed for another season. I just read this that basically says Rubicon was axed in order to renew The Walking Dead
This was one of the more sad cancellations of the year. A well-done, stylish, different type of spy drama that deserved a second season but won’t have one. AMC went with ‘The Walking Dead’ instead.
.
Tomas
December 26th, 2010
5:51 pm
Current candidates that should make it to the hall:
- Roberto Alomar
- Jeff Bagwell
- Brett Blyleven
- Larry Walker
- Barry Larkin
- Fred McGriff
- Kevin Brown
- Tim Raines
This guys should get in…..Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, Randy Johnson, John Smoltz, and Chipper Jones will get in.
nolie
December 26th, 2010
5:53 pm
yeah I liked Rubicon. started out a bit slow though and lost viewers. I know several folks who did not have the patience to stay with the first half dozen episodes.
richbrave
December 26th, 2010
5:54 pm
Perusing COT’s I see $68,428,334 committed for 2011.
Blanks next to the following position players
DAN UGGLA
MARTIN PRADO
ALEX GONZALEZ
JASON HEYWARD
FREDDIE FREEMAN
BROOKS CONRAD
DIORY HERNANDEZ
JOE MATHER
JORDAN SCHAFER
MATT YOUNG
CLINT SAMMONS
JC BOSCAN
BRANDON HICKS
Now I know UGGLA’s new deal is being worked on, but how about the others? And are any under team control so they don’t require ML contracts at this point, or do the BRAVES just not have to disclose the amounts?
Efrim
December 26th, 2010
5:54 pm
Next offseason could be very exciting.
McLouth gone 7 mil
KK gone 7 mil
Maybe Chipper 13 mil
AGon 2.5 mil
almost 30 million freed up.
Lowe, Hudson, Chipper, McCann and Uggla(if extension goes through for 12.5m a year) will cost them 59 million. David Ross is the only other player with a guaranteed contract at 1.625m. They’ll also have second year arbitration dollars that they have to pay Prado, Jurrjens, and O’Flaherty and a third year arbitration number to pay Moylan. Long ways away, but I don’t think the Braves are going to have more than 15 million to spend. Of course, it could be more if Chipper retires, but I’m not counting on that. Plus, they’ll need to fill CF, SS, bench, and the usual bullpen pieces with very little in the farm to take over at CF and SS.
keylargo
December 26th, 2010
5:57 pm
Well Nolie, those people who left Rubicon will certainly be in their element with The Walking Dead. Not that you can’t like both shows, but I wonder where you can go for season two with a bunch of walking zombies.
Snotboogie
December 26th, 2010
6:00 pm
Plus – I would think Rubicon would be less expensive to produce compared to the walking dead.
nolie
December 26th, 2010
6:01 pm
not sure Walker will make it. So far the voters have not been particularly kind to Coors heroes. Did he deserve it B4 he went to Coors? We’ll see. also not so sure on McGriff and Brown.
nolie
December 26th, 2010
6:04 pm
Well Nolie, those people who left Rubicon will certainly be in their element with The Walking Dead KL
only one of them likes The Walking Dead . I liked it a lot, but I too wonder how it will develop over time. I think it will be treated a bit like Lost rather than concentrate on just the zombies. Group interaction of the survivors will be important if it is to stick around.
nolie
December 26th, 2010
6:06 pm
I’m guessing Michael Rooker becomes an antagonist in season two.
Snotboogie
December 26th, 2010
6:15 pm
Football this week – Thursday,Saturday,Sunday,Monday and Tuesday.
nolie
December 26th, 2010
6:17 pm
thats 5 years worth for me SB
Bat Masterson
December 26th, 2010
6:19 pm
Oh come on! Sorry VJ, this is not looking good.
nolie
December 26th, 2010
6:20 pm
I’d guess that the pilot episode of WD was expensive to make with all the people, but the others don’e seem like they should cost all that much. Several were just pretty much rural drama with only a few of da Z folks
Venice Jim
December 26th, 2010
6:21 pm
Time to break out the rum…
Thanks, Bat!
Soph
December 26th, 2010
6:21 pm
Rodgers is good.
richbrave
December 26th, 2010
6:22 pm
Well, I guess there are no authoritarians on the subject of contracts here at the moment.
nolie
December 26th, 2010
6:29 pm
since they obviously have their own special way of determining payroll, I’m not sure what the allure is regarding rehashing their salary structure since there is no way we will know the right answer anyway
Venice Jim
December 26th, 2010
6:32 pm
Freaking moron! Seconds after I yelled to hold onto the ball…
Bat Masterson
December 26th, 2010
6:33 pm
Is that dark rum? Seems fitting
Venice Jim
December 26th, 2010
6:34 pm
I actually hadn’t started, but I have now – and it is dark…
Efrim
December 26th, 2010
6:43 pm
richbrave, payroll will most likely be around 90 million this year.
nolie
December 26th, 2010
6:49 pm
sounds like a Bacardi 151 day Jim
Venice Jim
December 26th, 2010
6:50 pm
Have to be careful – going out for cab’s brother’s birthday to a Mexican restaurant, so there might be margaritas in my future…
Venice Jim
December 26th, 2010
6:54 pm
I was halfway through an epithet on that one…
Robert
December 26th, 2010
7:01 pm
“Bobby Cox Stan Musial, Stan Musial Bobby Cox. TWO Hall Of Famers”
Nolie That’s an insult to Stan Musial
You’re the kind of guy who would walk into the Louvre and spit on the Mona Lisa
Robert
December 26th, 2010
7:04 pm
So the most interesting development in the NFL today has to be Tim Tebow’s big day
Yes it was against the Texans
But darn if the kid didnt make some throws that the doubters said he couldnt.
Tebow might just be Michael Vick light (not weight wise)
Venice Jim
December 26th, 2010
7:04 pm
Tom, whenever you show up – the only reason that your team won today was luck – you were lucky enough to be a much better team…
Bat Masterson
December 26th, 2010
7:05 pm
Oh, shut up Robert.
nolie
December 26th, 2010
7:10 pm
Not sure why you keep showing up here to receive all the ridicule the vast majority of the blog feels for you Bobby.
I can only imagine how pathetically lonely you must be to prefer all that negative attention to no attention at all.
Do us all a favor,including yourself, and get back on your clomipramine, dude.
Tom O'Hawke
December 26th, 2010
7:11 pm
Thank you, VJ, for the explanation. I guess that’s pretty accurate for today.
Tomas
December 26th, 2010
7:20 pm
Larry Walker was pretty good Coors field or not……..Don’t forget he played great defense and was a great baserunner……Coors field obviously helped him quite a bit but since he didn’t take steroids he had a pretty impressive career, and he spent 40% of his career in other teams(MON, STL).
Tom O'Hawke
December 26th, 2010
7:21 pm
My cousin, AJ
ward
December 26th, 2010
7:21 pm
Tom O’ Hawke: Congradjulations on the win! I’m cool, and doing great.I thought your team would destroy my Giants badly! I hope the Giants don’t make it to the play offs,because they don’t deserve it. I’m looking forward to Bill Cohwers as coach next year. Great game! Your team out played out and gunned the Giants. By Tom C.! Hello Coach Bill Cohwers…..
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
7:21 pm
I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas!
Congratulations on your Packers’ win, Tom (I think it’s actually safe to say that at this point). Sorry about your 49ers, cabravesfan.
Soph
December 26th, 2010
7:22 pm
Poor Giants. They’re stuck in GB overnight because of the blizzard.
nolie
December 26th, 2010
7:24 pm
sure he was pretty good, but was he a HOFer? I think it could go either way.
I’ve been waiting for him to become eligible to get a read on how the electorate will feel about him. He is the first guy who played a lot in Coors who should actually have a chance.
Helton will be next.
cabravesfan
December 26th, 2010
7:24 pm
MIBravesFan -
Thanks, but I can’t say it was unexpected
Niners are going to fire Singletary, according to “sources”- just don’t know if it will be this week or if they are going to wait until after their last game…too bad, I like him but he is just not ready to be a head coach.
Tom-
Shoulda gone with my gut and picked the Pack, but…
Tom O'Hawke
December 26th, 2010
7:25 pm
Thanks, ward. Very gracious of you.
Tom O'Hawke
December 26th, 2010
7:26 pm
Hey, MIBravesFAn. Thank you, and how are you?
Bat Masterson
December 26th, 2010
7:27 pm
MIBF_
Congrats on the Lions W.
Tom O'Hawke
December 26th, 2010
7:28 pm
cabravesfan, sometimes it’s better to be wrong.
cabravesfan
December 26th, 2010
7:30 pm
Tom-
Only reason I decided on the Giants is because I didn’t know Rodgers was playing (we make our picks before the first game…) – well, and because they are VJ’s boys
ward
December 26th, 2010
7:31 pm
Maybe the Giants should bench Eli next week? After all he making close to 93 million on his contract……I’d hate to see the Giants limp their way in. Eli was bad, and terrible Eli, and I hope no press shows up to talk to him……Great game Tom O’ Hawke !!!!! You deserve it!!!
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
7:31 pm
I’m doing fine, Tom, thanks. How are you?
Tom O'Hawke
December 26th, 2010
7:33 pm
cabravesfan, I told you the other night that Rodgers was playing. Too much eggnog?
keylargo
December 26th, 2010
7:35 pm
Bat – The Dolphins were 1 – 7 this year at home. It’s been a loooong time since the Dolphins were good and the future isn’t great either.
Tom O'Hawke
December 26th, 2010
7:36 pm
MIBravesFan
I’m doing well. I would have been a lot weller if that last pass from Sanchez wasn’t intercepted (Jets/Bears). I thought that was a touchdown pass. The Packers would have still been able to win the division. Oh well. Playoffs are still possible.
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
7:37 pm
Bat – thanks! I don’t recall when the Lions last gave me this much to smile about during the season.
I wish the Falcons all the best tomorrow night!
Tomas
December 26th, 2010
7:37 pm
Helton I don’t think makes it. Apart from the high average and great defense there’s really nothing that stands out considering how many good 1B are out there and not playing in Coors field.
cabravesfan
December 26th, 2010
7:40 pm
Tom-
By that time it was too late
Thursday’s game had already started..
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
7:43 pm
“Tom O’Hawke
December 26th, 2010
7:36 pm
MIBravesFan
I’m doing well. I would have been a lot weller if that last pass from Sanchez wasn’t intercepted (Jets/Bears). I thought that was a touchdown pass. The Packers would have still been able to win the division. Oh well. Playoffs are still possible.”
Tomas
December 26th, 2010
7:45 pm
Kevin Brown I have my doubts but I like him more than all the other pitchers in this years ballot except Blyleven. I know Jack Morris won more games but he had a career 3.90 ERA, Brown had a 3.28 career ERA and won 30 games less. From now on ERA, K rates, WHIP are gonna be more important than wins
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
7:47 pm
So Jack Morris doesn’t belong in the HOF but Kevin Brown does?
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
7:58 pm
Oh well, it’s all a matter of opinion anyway. And ours doesn’t count, so we’ll have to wait for the HOF ballot results to see the ones that do.
jeffrey d
December 26th, 2010
7:59 pm
What about Zach Morris
Braveheart
December 26th, 2010
8:00 pm
That Blyleven thing annoys the hell out of me. If he makes it, he makes it, if he doesn’t, he doesn’t. I can’t stand the people that get all up in an uproar about how he has to be in. Some of them never saw him him pitch. Some of them weren’t even alive when he was still pitching decently towards the end. It’s like, alright, alright, he was underrated during his day, we get it, but, calm the hell down about the guy. It’s no grave injustice that he’s not in the Hall of Fame. He was good, maybe even very good, but he wasn’t great or elite.
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
8:02 pm
“jeffrey d
December 26th, 2010
7:59 pm
What about Zach Morris”
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
8:15 pm
Did anyone see any good movies that debuted over the holiday?
ward
December 26th, 2010
8:33 pm
No, but Tron is out, and number one in theaters….Plus True Grit is comming out, and looks real good. Narnia 3 is holding at the #3 Position real solid, and you have Traitor playing right now ,as of The Fighter.I hear these movies are good to see…..
nolie
December 26th, 2010
8:36 pm
everything I’ve read about Narnia 3 has been pretty mediocre
Bat Masterson
December 26th, 2010
8:40 pm
Bat – The Dolphins were 1 – 7 this year at home. It’s been a loooong time since the Dolphins were good and the future isn’t great either. _ keylargo
What happened to them? I thought they were on the right track after Saban left.
Bat Masterson
December 26th, 2010
8:44 pm
I wish the Falcons all the best tomorrow night! _ MIBF
Thanks, MIBF. We need all the well-wishes we can get.
I like what the lions are doing. Hope they make a big leap forward next year.
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
8:44 pm
“Bat Masterson
December 26th, 2010
8:40 pm
Bat – The Dolphins were 1 – 7 this year at home. It’s been a loooong time since the Dolphins were good and the future isn’t great either. _ keylargo
What happened to them? I thought they were on the right track after Saban left.”
Maybe Bill Parcells is losing his touch. If he thought Chad Henne was the long-term answer at QB for the Dolphins . . . .
ward
December 26th, 2010
8:48 pm
Nolie: Don’t go by what MSN says they suck! Go by what you feel.MSN gave theThe Road three stars, and the movie sucked wind!!!!! Most critics are picky!!!!!
Bat Masterson
December 26th, 2010
8:50 pm
MSN gave theThe Road three stars, and the movie sucked wind!!!!! Most critics are picky!!!!! _ ward
No peace for the MSN.
ward
December 26th, 2010
8:53 pm
No peace for them…..Never like they way they pick their movies!!!!
nolie
December 26th, 2010
8:53 pm
who pays attention to MSN??
and The Road was a decent movie
Bat Masterson
December 26th, 2010
8:54 pm
Dolphins and Tuna can’t coexist?
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
8:56 pm
“Bat Masterson
December 26th, 2010
8:44 pm
I wish the Falcons all the best tomorrow night! _ MIBF
Thanks, MIBF. We need all the well-wishes we can get.
I like what the lions are doing. Hope they make a big leap forward next year.”
So do I!
There has been whining apparently among some fans about winning too many games and dropping out of a draft slot for a shut-down corner. How about a top offensive lineman to help keep our QB on the field? And winning these games is good for this team going into next season. If they can win next week at home against the Vikings – that would be a great way for them to go into the off-season.
And I don’t know that the Falcons need any well-wishes, but I’m happy to send them!
ward
December 26th, 2010
8:58 pm
Nolie: I can’t believe you like The Road! I’ll pretend I never heard that…..The Road is the worst movie of the year!!!!
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
8:58 pm
“Bat Masterson
December 26th, 2010
8:54 pm
Dolphins and Tuna can’t coexist?”
lol!
ward
December 26th, 2010
9:03 pm
Nolie: Just my opinion though!
Bat Masterson
December 26th, 2010
9:06 pm
MIBF_
I’m with you on the O lineman, gotta keep Stafford on the field. There are players through out the draft that can help a team. Winning breeds winning if you ask me, those fans should embrace it. Can’t please some people.
It seems to me like everyone in football is waiting for the other shoe to drop regarding the Falcons –because they are The Falcons! after all.
keylargo
December 26th, 2010
9:15 pm
Maybe Bill Parcells is losing his touch. If he thought Chad Henne was the long-term answer at QB for the Dolphins . . . .
Chad Pennington was the starter at QB for the Dolphins but was injured and is likely done. I don’t think Parcells thought Henne was the answer or he never would have started with Pennington. I really don’t follow the Dolphins much but I am sure MI Braves Fan has more insight on Henne than me.
The Dolphins just can’t seem to get over Nick Saban leaving. They still call him O’Saban bin Laden down here. He sure set the program back.
jeffrey d
December 26th, 2010
9:30 pm
HELLO…Hello….Hello….hello………
nolie
December 26th, 2010
9:32 pm
But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?
It is the east, and Juliet is the sun
jeffrey d
December 26th, 2010
9:36 pm
Ay me!
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
9:43 pm
“Bat Masterson
December 26th, 2010
9:06 pm
MIBF_
I’m with you on the O lineman, gotta keep Stafford on the field. There are players through out the draft that can help a team. Winning breeds winning if you ask me, those fans should embrace it. Can’t please some people.
It seems to me like everyone in football is waiting for the other shoe to drop regarding the Falcons –because they are The Falcons! after all.”
I was thinking the same thing – winning breeds winning.
I don’t really understand the “other shoe” thing with the Falcons. I know they’ve had issues in the past with players and then a head coach, but you seem to have a really good team now with a good coach who is doing a good job and where he wants to be.
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
9:45 pm
kaylargo – I’ve never heard an NFL team called a “program” before.
Braveheart
December 26th, 2010
9:49 pm
The Dolphins could have drafted Matt Ryan, but passed on him. That set them back more than Saban. They also hired Parcells, who was only half-hearted about in his interest in running a team. The Falcons lucked out when Blank got burned by Parcells, and ended up with Dimitroff. The Falcons hired the right head coach while the Dolphins hired a guy who wears sunglasses at night.
The Falcons and Dolphins were similarly situated 3 years ago, but the Falcons maintained the same experienced owner, hired the right GM and head coach, and drafted the right QB. The Dolphins didn’t.
What Saban did to to the Dolphins was not even close to as devastating as what Vick and Petrino did to the Falcons. The subsequent fortunes of the Falcons, or lack thereof for the Dolphins, have been determined by the personnel decisions they’ve made since that time, and not the ones made before.
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
9:52 pm
And the only reason I thought Parcells was looking at Henne as the future QB (Pennington has been around for a while, and when he’s been healthy, he’s done a very good job at QB for Miami) was that he drafted Henne in the 2nd round. Usually that’s not a “project” QB pick.
jeffrey d
December 26th, 2010
9:56 pm
To be honest, there’s not too many people that knew that Ryan would be this good….especially this soon. I was wanting to draft Dorsey.
Robert
December 26th, 2010
9:59 pm
Blyleven and the Hall of Fame – a never ending go-round
Blyleven was a very good pitcher for a very long time. He put up some eye catching quantitative numbers – which tends to happen if you pitch 22 years.
The best arguements to induct him might be as follows
1. Career adjusted ERA of 118 – meaning he had an ERA 18 percent below the league average, when adjusted for park factors
2. Widely acknowledged to have the best curveball in the game during his time in it
3. Better than Don Sutton
I can say big deal to each of those
1. His adjusted ERA ranks 142nd all -time. Now, yes the fact that he did that for almost 5000 innings counts for something, but it’s not an eye-popping number
2. The point of the game is not to have our fellows decide that they think you have one best pitch. To wit, Scott Jordan was once voted the fastest player in the Eastern League
3. Sutton had a career adjusted ERA of 108. He was a truly marginal choice for the HOF. And if we use the “he’s better than” arguement, then almost dy except Greg Nortom and Bobby Cox could qualify because of some poor choices made in the past by the HOF voters and committees
Blyleven made all of two all star teams.
He made the top ten in Cy Young voting four times
Nice, but not good enough
He would certainly not be a travesty. And he wouldnt be the least deserving pitcher in the HOF, by far.
But the HOF is perfectly fine without Bert Blyleven – and it’s high time we start limiting the HOF to the essentials
jeffrey d
December 26th, 2010
10:00 pm
And pretty upset that we picked Ryan…whoops!
Robert
December 26th, 2010
10:01 pm
“To be honest, there’s not too many people that knew that Ryan would be this good”
Some folks in the Falcons front office were pretty sure. I remember them crowing about how Ryan scored off the charts on some “functional intelligence” type tests
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
10:01 pm
“Braveheart
December 26th, 2010
9:49 pm
The Dolphins could have drafted Matt Ryan, but passed on him. That set them back more than Saban. They also hired Parcells, who was only half-hearted about in his interest in running a team. The Falcons lucked out when Blank got burned by Parcells, and ended up with Dimitroff. The Falcons hired the right head coach while the Dolphins hired a guy who wears sunglasses at night.
The Falcons and Dolphins were similarly situated 3 years ago, but the Falcons maintained the same experienced owner, hired the right GM and head coach, and drafted the right QB. The Dolphins didn’t.
What Saban did to to the Dolphins was not even close to as devastating as what Vick and Petrino did to the Falcons. The subsequent fortunes of the Falcons, or lack thereof for the Dolphins, have been determined by the personnel decisions they’ve made since that time, and not the ones made before.”
Good post! (I loved the Corey Hart reference, btw! There was some really good music in the 80s, and there was just some silly, fun stuff that I happen to like, too
)
Braveheart
December 26th, 2010
10:03 pm
I gotta admit that at the time that I thought that the Falcons should’ve drafted Dorsey.
nolie
December 26th, 2010
10:04 pm
any Braves fans here, or is this strictly a football board now?
nolie
December 26th, 2010
10:09 pm
didn’t they teach you in law school never to admit anything?
MIBravesFan
December 26th, 2010
10:12 pm
nolie – I’m a Braves fan! And I’m fine with signing Dan Uggla to a 5-year 60 mil deal (2011-2015)!
Bat Masterson
December 26th, 2010
10:12 pm
Nice analysis, Braveheart.
Signing Micheal Turner helped make Matt Ryan the right choice. Or at least he took some of the pressure off Ryan, so that Ryan was not asked to do too much too soon, and became a bad choice through attrition.
Braveheart
December 26th, 2010
10:13 pm
Oh, no, nolie, that’s often the best way to get what you want. Makes people think you’re reasonable. Dupes folks more interested in winning battles into thinking they’ve won, while you’re winning the war.
keylargo
December 26th, 2010
10:19 pm
Braveheart – the Falcons good fortune the last three years has been just that. And they deserve it.
The Falcons and Dolphins were in similar situations and you or anyone else could not have projected Mike Smith over Tony Sparano. The Dolphins drafted safe and got a perennial All Pro offensive tackle Jake Long with the first pick while the Falcons took a large reach and picked a QB rated mid to late first round by almost everyone, fourth. Matt Ryan has played better than anyone thought possible.
The Dolphins had a serviceable QB in Chad Pennington and won the AL East in 2008. Pennington has been hurt twice since the 11 – 5 2008 season and the Dolphins are sub .500 since. You might be more accurate by saying the most important difference between the two teams since Vick and Saban left has been the health of Chad Pennington.
nolie
December 26th, 2010
10:19 pm
let’s see if I understand that concept. The state is trying me for murder. I wanna be free, so I admit everything tricking them into releasing me?
Hmmm. Novel approach, I think I need to mull that over a bit more to appreciate all the subtleties
jeffrey d
December 26th, 2010
10:21 pm
Some folks in the Falcons front office were pretty sure
Robert – and I’m glad they were. Ryan had a goodnotgreat senior year, and that was in the ACC too. I thought for sure drafting Ryan this early (what was it, 3rd overall) was an enormous mistake.
“Games are won in the trenches! Get Dorsey!!” I was saying.
Ever since he more than proved himself his senior year, I’ve had complete confidence in him and Dimitroff
jeffrey d
December 26th, 2010
10:22 pm
Sorry, that last line should say Ryan’s ROOKIE year, not his senior year