3:36 pm December 21, 2010, by David O'Brien
December 22nd, 20102:51 pm
Kanye doesn’t like white people. Drake and Em had much better albums on the rap side.
glove51, that was just an oversight on The Hold Steady, and has been corrected (as I wrote, I always allow myself one or two like that immediately after I put that list out). Thanks for pointing it out. I had it in my top 50, and in swapping places with another CD and moving it lower, I messed up and dropped it off altogether. Not intentional. I really like that CD, have played it to death. It’s on there now.
Agreed on the Ryan Bingham CD. Really disappointing for me. Mescalito was a terrific CD, then Roadhouse Sun was quite good, too. But this year’s Junky Star was just mediocre and pretty boring. Costello’s CD this year was good, not great, I thought.
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
December 22nd, 20102:52 pm
Cab – ya know…that *purse/handbag* convo you and TnBrian had a blog or so back….
I’ve always been a sucker for an attractive woman with a sexy leather purse/handbag hanging down off her shoulder. Kinda gives that extra special thing to her attractiveness….to me, anyway.
Kind of like…when ya have a regular bowl of cereal….but ya had some fruit to it. I know kind of a corny way to look at it…but ya can’t argue with it.
December 22nd, 20102:54 pm
Rollins which I don’t see happening because he’s in a contract year and players tend to play better in contract years. _ Carl
One in recent memory that did not: Andruw Jones
December 22nd, 20103:01 pm
Olney usually jizzes in his pants over the Braves. Surprised he had their rotation 8th. I’d put them at 6 or so.
Murph, you showed offensive stats only. There is pitching you know…
December 22nd, 20103:03 pm
sorry- my current bag is not leather…it’s really pretty though
December 22nd, 20103:04 pm
not that you (or I)were implying anything there…didn’t mean it that way
I don’t think Ted Turner has the money to buy the Braves. He gave a billion to the U.N., y’know?
December 22nd, 20103:07 pm
I hope that Ted Turner will one day find the passion for baseball that would coax him into purchasing the Braves once again. _ daniel buck
Not likely daniel…………….
Ted Turner said he has given so much of his money away that he is “almost to the edge of Poverty.” Speaking on Wednesday’s “Morning Joe,” Turner said he has, at most, a few million dollars left (not exactly everyone’s definition of Poverty, but a far cry from his purported Billionaire status.) The media mogul, well known for his Philanthropy (most notably his $1 billion pledge to the United Nations), said he “loved” giving money away “while [he] could do it.
December 22nd, 20103:10 pm
make it go away…make it go away…make it go away…
December 22nd, 20103:11 pm
What’s that smell?
December 22nd, 20103:12 pm
I think the Phillies will win 94 games,and the Braves will win the division by 1 game.Lee wins 16 Ozwalt wins 12, Cole wins 14, and Halladay wins 18. Lidge is older, and not consistant at times, and the Phillies offense is weakened, also the bull pen is weak too. Thats my prediction, and it could happen.Nobody has to agree.
December 22nd, 20103:13 pm
Efrim………….I love your 2:03pm post, lol.
You forgot to add Buddy Carlyle and Greg Norton to your “go to battle with” list, lol!
You’re NOT going to win the division. Just as every Phillie phan who visited you guys last year told you you weren’t going to win it in 2010.
But didn’t these very same philly phans guarantee us that their team would make it to back to back to back world series and in doing so stamp a place in history? Damn, what is the world coming to when you can’t take a philly phan’s word as gold.
December 22nd, 20103:14 pm
Here’s the deal, if by some chance the Braves had obtained Lee instead of Philly, 99% of bloggers would have said, “We now have the best starters in baseball as a collective whole.” But the Phillies got him and now they don’t have the best? I don’t get it.
Lee would be an ace for us, but not for Philly? That’s fuzzy math.
Trickster & DOB:
I’m standing by my prediction that I’ve made (though slightly vague) since the Phillies signed Lee. I honestly think the Phillies will win somewhere between 100-106 games and the Braves will also improve to the mid-90’s (94-96) in the W column.
I think the Phillies will “run away” with the division like some have said, and I think the Braves have an excellent chance (with some health and Kimbrel/Venters handling the closer’s role with relative ease), to run away with the Wild Card.
Now, a couple of things could happen to change both of those scenarios. If the Braves manage to handle the Philles. Say winning 75% of the head to head games, they could win the division. I’ve said multiple time that it’s my belief that the Phillies having that rotation is going to allow them to destroy the bottom of the barrel of competition (just like the Braves did in the 90’s).
That to me is going to be the difference in the division. I just think with that rotation, no matter how good the Braves will be (and I think the Braves will improve on their 91 win season of 2010), the Phillies are going to be 5-10 games better than the Braves over 162 games.
The other thing that could factor in is if Chipper is a non-factor, moving Prado to 3rd and leaving a gaping hole in LF, and Venters/Kimbrel fail miserably at closing, the Braves could be in a massive dogfight for the wild card.
I think the Giants will dominate the West. Leaving, imo, the Dodgers as the only real threat to compete for the WC out of the West.
The Cardinals, the Reds and Brewers are going to battle for the Central, leaving the other two as the main WC competition for the Braves, of course the Mets or Nats could surprisingly contend for WC.
I think SD and Arizona are going to be non-factors. I think Houston, the Cubs are going to be non-factors. And in the East I expect the Marlins to be compettive (they always are), but they’ve just given up too much proven talent to ligitmately compete for the WC. The Nats could either be really good, or just more of the same (same boat as the Marlins).
I think the NL Central having 3 really good teams in the Brewers, Cubs and Reds will hurt the two that don’t win the division in the WC standings because in theory they will likely be very competitive with each other and possiibly hinder their WC chances.
It’s a theory. Nothing more. But one I think I’ve used some logic in coming to.
That being said, there likely will be one team that fails to meet expectations (could be the Braves), and likely will be one team (or 2) that exceeds expectations, like the Reds and Padres did last year. Happens every year.
When I say “run away” with the WC, I mean that I think the Braves will win it by 3-4 games. Which is a big gap for WC winners in the NL if you look at recent history. That doesn’t mean that it won’t be in doubt entering September. I just don’t think it will come down to the last weekend or that there will be the need for a possible one game playoff for the WC.
There is more of a chance of a one game playoff or a tie-breaker scenario in the NL Central if you ask me.
But 118 wins for the Phillies? Highly unlikely.
December 22nd, 20103:15 pm
Speaking of Labor Day . . .
Braves open a 3 game set in Philly on that very day.
Then, they close the season with 3 games at home against the Phils.
The last two years, the Braves have struggled in their late season games against Philly.
This year, we’ll get a chance to reverse the trend, and really make it count for something.
I didn’t realize that newcomer Yohan Flande, the lefty signed as a six-year minor league free agent, pitched in the 2009 Futures Game. Found a picture and posted it in the blog near bottom.
T for Texas
Great article by Posnanski on Greinke. Thanks for the link, Dave.
I look at 2011 as a transition year for the Braves. They may or may not win as many games as last year and may or may not make the playoffs, but would be unlikely to advance 3 rounds if the do. 2012 looks like a much more realistic year for them to do well.
The Braves may have an opportunity to make either a substantial move, or a major move toward 2012 at the trading deadline. If Teheran and or Delgado are tearing it up at AAA, the Braves could trade JJ or Lowe to a team desperate for one more starter and get either a missing piece for 2011 if they are still a viable contender for the playoffs, or a nearly ML ready prospect for 2012 to fill one of the voids we all know so well on this blog. By the mid year deadline we will have a more realistic idea of what Schafer, Mather, Young and some of the other longshots signed this winter are capable of producing, what the status with Chipper will be, and what the most urgent needs that need addressing.
make it go away…make it go away…make it go away…
December 22nd, 20103:16 pm
How is evrery one ? The Braves could win Division too, and lot would have to happen for the Braves too.Philly, and Braves down to the wire again…
Hey, dude if you don’t like his blog or his rules there are literally thousands of other blogs out there for you to take your opinions. Find one, and be happy.
December 22nd, 20103:17 pm
In my last post I stated:
“I think the NL Central having 3 really good teams in the Brewers, Cubs and Reds….”
Obviously, I meant to say Brewers, Cards and Reds. Not the Cubs.
December 22nd, 20103:18 pm
Cab – re: your 3:10 p.m…….LOLOLOLOL
as for your 3:04 p.m……yep, I gottcha
December 22nd, 20103:19 pm
Monty: To be clear, I absolutely view Cliff Lee as an ace. To me, he’s more of one than Greinke because of the consistency that Lee has produced over the past few years.
Funny SFX, Bat.
December 22nd, 20103:20 pm
We shall see little Philly fans . We shall see… …..Braves are just as good, and I say the teams are even …….Down to the wire this year……Philly fans always over confident……Don’t you think!
December 22nd, 20103:21 pm
Let’s just see how well Lee does under presure with his greedy contact…..
December 22nd, 20103:22 pm
Here is my proof that Bonds never used steroids:
1. Bonds has ALWAYS tested CLEAN.
2. EIGHT years of a FEDERAL investigation has more than confirmed that NO evidence concerning Bonds and steroids exists.
3. Bonds had his best offensive seasons in 2002-2004 WHILE testing clean, WHILE he and BALCO were the most scrutinized people on earth.
Whats the case against him?
Well, lets see, its not the the major news sources all haven’t lied that Bonds ADMITTED taking steroids. They release the entire grand jury transcript right in their face.
Its not like the judges have already called out the Feds for making up evidence three times, once trying to pass B.B. for three Bonds (the Feds response was “we didn’t know B.B. could stand for something other than Barry Bonds”), and testing ANONYMOUS samples for substances banned AFTER the Grand Jury Testimonies.
Its not like judges have not accepted ONE piece of evidence from the Feds yet, and have even gone as far as calling their “evidence” (and I quote) “inadmissable heresay”.
Its not like almost every other major player in the MLB has been caught taking steroids EXCEPT Bonds. They even complained that Bonds was taking “undetectable steroids” LMAO. When the Feds investigation ONLY Bonds.
Its not like they spent 5 years and millions of tax dollars to investigate the Clear and the Cream, only to find out TWO WEEKS before the trial that it wasn’t even classified as a steroid during the Grand Jury testimonies.
Its not like they very publically accused Bonds of cheating in 2001, THEN made the rule that steroids was considered cheating in the MLB in 2002 AFTER calling Bonds a cheater. And just four years before when McGwire AND Sosa shattered a then 40 year old HR record, with McGwire OPENLY on PEDs, they called the “the “SAVIOR of baseball”.
They claimed that they were concerned about Bonds and steroids after Bonds broke the record because they wanted to preserve “the sanctity of the game”. And just a couple of years before, they juiced the balls and lowered the mounds for the very reason of “seeing more balls fly out of the park”.
And its not like the MLB continues to treat ARod like a hero when he was been CAUGHT taking steroids this year, after the ALWAYS lied about NOT taking steroids before.
And now they celebrate the Yankees full of PROVEN steroid users winning the championship.
I think I had some Yohan Flande for desert once at a French restaurant in NYC.
December 22nd, 20103:23 pm
Cab – ya know, he’s like that pain in your behind you just can NOT get rid of
DOB: I just don’t see Lee winning no more than 16 games this year!
I agree on the Lee vs. Greinke debate DOB
Here’s the thing from my angle. With Greinke’s possible anxiety issues, Milwaukee is a perfect place for him. Close to KC as far as mid-range market and still close to the mid-west, as far as media coverage compared to the big market/east coast teams. But….
Being traded for to be THE ACE of the Brewers might get to him. He’s the “missing piece” to push that rotation to the elite status. And rightfully so. He’s that good (or can be that good).
But what if the Phillies had traded for him instead of Lee? That might have been a better fit for him being the “4th Ace” on an already stellar staff, even though it’s in a big market and on the east coast, rather than being asked to be “the man” on a team with playoff aspirations.
Hard to say. I’m sure he’ll be fine with the switch to the NL and playing for the Brewers. But it’s an interesting angle/debate to ponder.
December 22nd, 20103:25 pm
What are all these essays? I feel like i’m in school, and school sucks!
N8: It’s way early and a lot can happen, but I generally agree with your 3:14 p.m. assessment of the NL and how the divisions and wild-card could shake out.
December 22nd, 20103:26 pm
N8: Just a small joke before Christmas……See you guy’s later, and peace my friends.
December 22nd, 20103:27 pm
Leo re: your 3:22 p.m.
SI.com ran a picture timeline, eariler this decade (can’t remember exactly when….02? 03? 04?) of Bonds….from his first year as a Pirate to his current year (at the time of the timeline). You could tell he’d been using roids for quite sometime.
He was MUCH bigger than he was when he was a rookie with the Bucs….and it wasn’t that he worked out with just weights, etc. You could easily tell he’d been using roids.
December 22nd, 20103:28 pm
You’re absolutely right about it being too early to predict. Way too many factors that can change all of it.
But it’s December and I’m bored. If my Chiefs actually get into the playoffs, I’ll have something else to think about for a couple of weeks, but for now….
December 22nd, 20103:29 pm
Ward, no offense taken. It’s what I do. I type what I’m thinking. More often than not it gets too long. But very rarely does anybody ask me to clarify my point.
December 22nd, 20103:31 pm
My comments weren’t directed at you. Your points were spot on.
December 22nd, 20103:33 pm
it makes my head hurt…
December 22nd, 20103:34 pm
Quick on the delete button…
December 22nd, 20103:38 pm
That’s what happens when someone insults our McFann
Cab – oh yeah, and I’m guessing…a few other things too
McFann O O
December 22nd, 20103:39 pm
Hi, bravesgrl4life! LONG time no see—how are things? Merry Christmas! Sorry I missed you when you were on here.
aside from the Uggla trade, it’s been pretty boring.
True that. But we had a big fight about why BMac should not be traded last weekend, so that helped.
December 22nd, 20103:41 pm
BAM _ Leo
I suppose so.
The act or process of thinking; cogitation.
A product of thinking. See synonyms at idea.
The faculty of thinking or reasoning.
The intellectual activity or production of a particular time or group: ancient Greek thought; deconstructionist thought.
Consideration; attention: didn’t give much thought to what she said.
Intention; purpose: There was no thought of coming home early.
Expectation or conception: She had no thought that anything was wrong.
December 22nd, 20103:42 pm
N8 – a few comments back….you said the Chiefs have a 2 game lead over the SD……it’s a 1 game lead, if I’m not mistaken
December 22nd, 20103:43 pm
T for Texas_
Salt Lake Brave
Has anyone seen True Grit yet? I love westerns and can’t wait to see this. Thinking of taking the wife tonight.
December 22nd, 20103:45 pm
Salt Lake Brave – I’m a HUGE John Wayne fan…..and I don’t believe THIS version of True Grit will ever come close to the original.
December 22nd, 20103:48 pm
I to love John Wayne. But would you believe I have never seen the original. I grew up with Clint Eastwood westerns and judge every western accordingly
N8 … could you clarify your 3:14?
December 22nd, 20103:52 pm
Ask N8 to clarify a point?
Ha, I’m no masochist .
Which part? There’s 15 paragraphs
December 22nd, 20103:57 pm
Whenever you try to handicap a baseball season, you have to realize that injuries, underperformances, and unplanned events will have a greater impact over 162 than payroll or the Spring Training 25 man roster.
Frank Wren did a great job in 2010 to build a good team and a fantastic bench. So, the Braves were able to fill in competently when the starters went down. 2011 looks more like a year when Braves fans better hope the starters play 162. The starting 9 look better in 2011 than in 2010, but the 2011 backups look extremely scrub-like.
I don’t know enough about the 40 man on the various MLB teams to make any reasonable assessment on how well those teams will hold up with a major injury.
For instance, if the Phils have to trade Blanton to make room for Lee’s salary and then, say, Oswalt goes down for 30 games. How do the Phils do with Kendrick/Whomever for that stretch?
If one of the Braves’s five man goes down, Braves have a decent back up and, as the Braves get towards mid-summer, they have some top prospects on the cusp. For instance, what if Lowe goes down and Teheran is ready to debut? Braves might see a step up in performance.
December 22nd, 20104:00 pm
I also agree with N8’s 3:14 assessment. I said when the Phillies got Lee they would win 100+ games. I also said I saw the Braves at around 93-94 wins(if the Phillies don’t go, say 12-6 against us). They do that and we struggle to win 90.
Lee and Hallady in the past 2-3 seasons have been as dominant as anybody,that would even include any of the Braves aces of the 90’s. They are pitchers that if they are on their game and you give them 3 runs to work with they will not be beat.
Heck, the Rangers had never done anything much in post season,(never gotten out of the 1st round I believe). They acquire Lee and go to the Series. I could see Lee and Halladay each winning 20-23 games. Oswalt and Hammels winning 18-19 a piece. They do that and they do run away with the division.
Heck that old lefty guy used to throw great games at us. I haven’t liked how the Braves have played the Phillies the last couple of seasons in the last couple of series. They seemed to be able to do with us as they wish.
I don’t think a WC winner will come out of the cental division. Rockies or Dodgers, Braves.
IA Braves Fan
December 22nd, 20104:05 pm
DOB, love the music list…I have been listening to HOLD STEADY awhile and I really like their new CD as well. Went to their concert in San Diego this year, it was pretty sweet. Have you heard them live? I have been meaning to ask, are you a big fan of OAR? Not necessarily their new stuff (its becoming to mainstream and sounding like everyone else) but maybe their older albums?
December 22nd, 20104:14 pm
IA Braves Fan: I’ve seen The Hold Steady 4-5 times, including once with a couple hundred people at The Earl in Atlanta, before they got bigger. Saw them open for Drive-By Truckers a few years ago at Tabernacle in a great twinbill, with both bands doing a rousing rendition of Neil Young’s Rockin’ In The Free World during the encore.
Oh, and no, I’m not a fan of O.A.R.
December 22nd, 20104:24 pm
The new babies – J-Hey, Freeman, McLouth, Schafer? – will rank the Braves next year. That and Chipper’s HR production when he plays. If they don’t perform well, then we can’t compete with the Phillies unless they have another season of injuries like last year. Chipper will hit .300 when he can play, but his HR production from the 3rd spot needs improvement. Gonzalez is average and predictable (an upgrade from the former SS), Prado will still be on base a lot, Uggla will give offensive production, and the pitching staff is solid. The decider is the offensive production of the babies (and whoever plays LF when Chipper is out, if not a baby). I wonder how much the loss of Werth will impact the Phillies. He played well, but not a leader in the clubhouse. Does the addition of Lee go beyond counteracting the loss of Werth?
December 22nd, 20104:32 pm
Glad the Hold Steady record made it on. Saw them in Savannah this year for $12 in a small bar with probably 250 folks — bargain of the year! For what it’s worth, my favorite live shows seen this year:
1. Hold Steady, Savannah
2. Pavement, Tabernacle
3. Wilco, Savannah
4. Neil Young, The Fox
5. Wilco, The Fox
Great blog DOB — my favorite of the year. You put me onto some great music this year, most notably the Soft Pack cd which I picked up at Decatur when I was in Atlanta for the Pavement show and have worn out. My only big disagreement from your list– Futurebirds “Hampton’s Lullaby” — I know you had it on the fringe, but to me, a really strong record, and I probably would add Broken Bells — always enjoyable when I put it on.
Keep us posted on the Uggla proceedings. Thanks for all of your great writing this year. Merry Christmas and Go Braves!
December 22nd, 20104:39 pm
WAR is probably the most important stat in the business. ryan
for one thing it isn’t a stat. it is a model based on stats with a lot of subjective and arbitrary components. It is not all that reliable, just another attempt to try to rank players values, fantasy geeks love it, many others not so much.
December 22nd, 20104:45 pm
Cliff Lee has had one outstanding year and a few very good ones. Being overpaid by the Phils does not make him an ace. He was 4-6 during the pennant push for the Rangers, hardly befitting an ace. His lifetime 3.85 ERA is exactly the same as Derek Lowe’s, but Derek has 5 seasons of at least 15 wins while Lee has only produced 2 such seasons. Cole Hamels has only one 15 win season so he’s hasn’t achieved ace status. Roy Oswalt has had 5 seasons of at least 15 wins, same as Lowe, but he is clearly on the downside of his career. Roy Halladay is truly an ace, and the ace of the Phils. This “4 Aces” garbage is mostly hype just like the hype that the Phils were the favorites to win it all in 2010.
Great list, I always look foward to your end of the year music blog/list. I haven’t been all the way through the comments and these may have been mentioned, but a couple of CD’s/Albums I wore out this year were Broken Bells, “Broken Bells,” which is probably my favorite CD of the year, and Broken Social Scene’s Forgiveness Rock Record. While Broken Bells, The Black Keys, Arcade Fire and The National top my list, I’ve really been listening alot to the Deerhunter CD and its definitely closing ground on these other albums.
December 22nd, 20104:46 pm
he had roughly the same career as nate mclouth. id say he is a little overrated, but not a bad player. DAP
December 22nd, 20104:48 pm
I hope Trey’s ok
December 22nd, 20104:54 pm
What happened to him?
December 22nd, 20104:55 pm
I dunno….just haven’t heard from him all day.
December 22nd, 20104:57 pm
It’s funny when I see people referring to N8’s 3:14. It’s almost like they are referring to a chapter and verse from his treatises.
December 22nd, 20105:01 pm
And yea he sayeth in chapter 3, verse 14 of the book of Nathaniel – Chipper doth hurt himself too much to contribute.
No shalam, no shalom
December 22nd, 20105:02 pm
It’s almost like they are referring to a chapter and verse from his treatises. SB
yeah I see what you mean.
December 22nd, 20105:03 pm
December 22nd, 20105:06 pm
I take it you dont have AMC, because they keep showing it regularly.
I dont know if I could compare True Grit to any of Eastwood’s westerns, but as far as Wayne’s westerns go, this wasnt on the level of Searchers, Stage Coach, Liberty Valance etc. I think the young girl’s character takes a lot of spotlight away from Cogburn’s.
December 22nd, 20105:09 pm
Does anybody else piture Brooks Conrad when they see/hear “True Grit”?
You know eventually we are just going to call him by his first name.
December 22nd, 20105:10 pm
One of John Wayne’s best films was his last, “The Shootist.”
December 22nd, 20105:13 pm
Of all 26 letters, I have to have the only one with a girl name
Of all the 26 letters, I have to have the only one that’s a girl’s name.
December 22nd, 20105:14 pm
. I think the young girl’s character takes a lot of spotlight away from Cogburn’s. SB
In the book she is more the main character and actually the one with true grit
December 22nd, 20105:16 pm
Weren’t we kinda discussing that as the name of Brooks’ TV-movie?
Tonight at 10 on Lifetime – An inspiring tale of the rise of an average joe from the dusty backfields to magic at turner field
Juliet. Juliet. Wherefore art thou Juliet?
December 22nd, 20105:17 pm
Is PL a renowned malaria specialist? I know he’s skiing in Colorado
Three witnesses told deputies they observed a renowned malaria specialist punch a 14-year-old girl between two and four times last Friday while skiing at Colorado’s Beaver Creek resort.
December 22nd, 20105:18 pm
I thought of him when I read that story too. Sad, huh?
December 22nd, 20105:19 pm
John Wayne detested <b<High Plains Drifter He called it un-American and refused an offer by Clint to make a movie together
In the book she is more the main character and actually the one with true grit
the only thing he is renowned at is being a complete a**hat…
(I like that word…is that wrong?
Steve from OH
December 22nd, 20105:20 pm
What are malaria specialists doing in Colorado, I wonder?
Roy Hobbs: That’s a helluva list of great shows you saw this year. Too bad you didn’t get to see Grinderman (I know you didn’t, because if you did it’d be in your top 5). That tour didn’t have many U.S. dates, but fortunately came to Atlanta. Best show I saw this year.
Oh, and Broken Bells shoulda been in others mentioned, because it was another that I had in top 50 and meant to drop down lower, but instead dropped it off altogether. I do like that CD a lot.
I did not check real carefully but it kinda looked like some of his latenight posts were deleted. He ranted about a dozen or more just about by himself.
December 22nd, 20105:21 pm
I think he got bounced again…
December 22nd, 20105:22 pm
Juliet, the dice was loaded from the start
— Dire Straits
Juliet. Juliet. Wherefore art thou Juliet?
You can find the answer to that question here.
December 22nd, 20105:24 pm
pretty darn good book iffen you like westerns and know how to read and have attention span above 10 minutes
I think he got bounced again…
Trey, is that you?
December 22nd, 20105:27 pm
I dont know. I like the visual medium for westerns – that’s more than half the fun for me.
December 22nd, 20105:28 pm
wow, do Andy and Ron look young there or what?
December 22nd, 20105:30 pm
You probably looked pretty young in those days too.
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