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Kat
December 13th, 2010
10:38 pm
Well Eric …maybe if you can get someone on the blog to vouch for your ‘hot’ assumption then you’ll know you’re right… if ya can’t then good luck guessing lol. I’ll stick with my sports, food and music talk and stray away from the hot or not game, ha.
VaBravesFan
December 13th, 2010
10:38 pm
Danga
yeah 13.5 mil a year is a great deal for a pitcher the caliber of Grienke, but it doesnt mean we have finacial problems… We have reached our payroll limit. Also we value our prospects and future, we can compete year in and year out while still having a bright future, the Phillies may field the better team but there future commitments to players will effect the team in a negative way in a few years, all the prospects they have traded too.
With the Phils having around 152 mil payroll and the Mets 135 mil I say were doing pretty damn good considering we have 40-50 million less.
Carroll Rogers
December 13th, 2010
10:39 pm
E-Brave, I had to take a peek at the magic stand…..Does it have a place for water? I couldn’t make out in the photos.
McFann O O
December 13th, 2010
10:41 pm
ryan c no rotation in baseball can stand against a rotation anchored by the 2 best starting pitchers in the game.
One of their guys might get hurt…
[shrug]
cabravesfan
December 13th, 2010
10:41 pm
Tom-
Sounds like a reasonable path
brian
December 13th, 2010
10:42 pm
if I were Halladay, coming off a Cy Young season, I would ask for an extension now to match the years that Cliff Lee got.
If the Phillies were smart they would do that to keep clubhouse harmony, but man, speaking of breaking the bank
MikeInFl
December 13th, 2010
10:45 pm
If the Phillies land Lee, I can assure you guys we’ll be in 2nd place and looking at the Wild Card again. I love our rotation as it stands, but no rotation in baseball can stand against a rotation anchored by the 2 best starting pitchers in the game.
Well, why don’t we go ahead and play the season just the same. Sure things in baseball have a tendency to be somewhat less than certain.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
December 13th, 2010
10:47 pm
2 years ago people here would have thought the mets were going to be a powerhouse in the east… youre right we still have to watch these games played out
braveslifer
December 13th, 2010
10:52 pm
If they sign Lee the only plus side I could see is in three years the Philies owe a 34 year old Ryan Howard $20-25MM, a 36 year old Halladay $20MM, and a 35 year old Cliff Lee for $20MM+…
Tom O'Hawke
December 13th, 2010
10:52 pm
sounds like a reasonable path (cabravesfan)
Ah, good, we’re on the same plain again. I’m glad VJ got home with the alcohol, finally.
McFann O O
December 13th, 2010
10:55 pm
MikeInFl Sure things in baseball have a tendency to be somewhat less than certain.
No kidding.
Carroll Rogers
December 13th, 2010
10:56 pm
I’ve seen it reported that one of the reasons Lee was traded from the Phillies was that his agent said it would be difficult to sign him to an extension. And now he’s thinking of staying for $30 million less? What changed?
Carroll Rogers
December 13th, 2010
10:57 pm
well i guess I can answer my own question and say being a part of that rotation….what would be an incredible rotation.
Tom O'Hawke
December 13th, 2010
10:59 pm
Carroll, as I said a little while ago, I think they hit the Power Ball a few times.
braveslifer
December 13th, 2010
11:00 pm
I saw that report to Carroll. Maybe the Philies are throwing up a smokescreen and they are just trying to drive his price of for the Yankees. With the Yankees main rival the RedSox out of the equation for Lee. The Philies might see it in their best interest to drive Lee’s price up some for two reasons: So they don’t look bad in front of their fanbase for not locking Lee up for what could be a reasonable signing and just to make one of the big spenders dig a little deeper in the pocketbooks.
bravesfaninnc
December 13th, 2010
11:10 pm
If the Philies do get LEE we are in a big time trouble.
nolie
December 13th, 2010
11:12 pm
aybe the Philies are throwing up a smokescreen and they are just trying to drive his price of for the Yankees Lifer
why in the world would they have any interest in doing that? and if they aren’t serious why would they take the chance that he might accept an offer they didn’t really want to give? c’mon now
Innocent Bystander
December 13th, 2010
11:13 pm
I wonder if FW will respond with a big move if Philly lands Lee.
Wow..
December 13th, 2010
11:13 pm
The Phillies won 4 straight division titles, 2 NL pennants and a WS. I don’t think they should be compared to the Mets.
Nova Scotia Steve
December 13th, 2010
11:14 pm
It’s (almost) official: Lee has reached a tentative agreement with the #Phillies, he is waiting to see if the #Rangers will offer 8yrs. #MLB
From Ken Rosenthal….
No f’in way….
BB FAN
December 13th, 2010
11:15 pm
Carroll,
I was curious about what Braves officials have said about Andruw Jones possibly coming back to Atlanta. David O’Brien wrote an article, “Fredi G. on McLouth, Andruw and replacing an icon.” O’Brien stated “Jones returning the Braves seems unlikely, based on conversations with others in the organization.”
I was just wondering if there was some hard feelings between Jones and the Braves or something. Maybe he’s asking too much? Although I know he played for about $1.5 mill last year for Chicago.
I really think Jones would be a great fit for the Braves because they need a 4th outfielder with power. The guy hit 19 HRs and drove in 48 runs in 278 ABs. That’s production the Braves outfield badly needs. And if he’s in shape like he was last year, he could play any of the 3 outfield positions.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
P'cola Brave
December 13th, 2010
11:15 pm
That would be an amazing rotation no doubt. Hopefully with Uggla added and J-Hey having a season under his belt we will be a much better offensive team. Seems that for the Phils to make the Lee deal work they need to move money (Blanton/Ibanez). If they move Ibanez they will have to replace 2/3 of that outfield. I guess they figure they can lose a little offense w/ the possibility of putting out one of the best rotations of all time.
Nova Scotia Steve
December 13th, 2010
11:15 pm
Innocent Bystander – I wonder if FW will respond with a big move if Philly lands Lee.
I wish it were like that – but it hasn’t been since the 90’s or early 2000’s. We simply don’t have the financial resources.
Wow..
December 13th, 2010
11:17 pm
Game over…
Innocent Bystander
December 13th, 2010
11:17 pm
NSS- Apparently the Rosenthal tweet is from a fake account that has an uppercase “I” in place of the lowercase “l”. Tricky tricky.
bravesfaninnc
December 13th, 2010
11:18 pm
I wonder where do the Philles have all the financial resources. available it not like they have a major TV network deal in place
nolie
December 13th, 2010
11:18 pm
I wonder if FW will respond with a big move if Philly lands Lee. NS Steve
what big move? They don’t have the money to add anyone significant
Tom O'Hawke
December 13th, 2010
11:18 pm
Sorry, Carroll (me @ 11:59), I had to read your comment again. I’m trying to do too many things at once, and as you probably know, most males (not nolie) can’t multi-task.
You were talking about why would Lee sign with the Phillies, from his perspective. I was talking about the same thing from the Phillies perspective.
Remember last year, when they traded him to the Mariners and said it was because they couldn’t afford him when he became a FA? What have they done since then? Signed Halladay and Oswalt.
Now there’s talk about them signing Lee???
Nova Scotia Steve
December 13th, 2010
11:21 pm
I didn’t say that Nolie. I was responding/quoting an early post.
Yunel's Frosted Tips
December 13th, 2010
11:21 pm
Fox Sports Radio said the Ken Rosenthal twitter is indeed a bogus account………..Phils have not signed him
Nova Scotia Steve
December 13th, 2010
11:22 pm
You’re right Innocent Bystander –
The latest from The Real Rosenthal – “I have not tweeted anything new on Lee since story I wrote earlier. Anything else is a fake. #Phillies #Rangers #Yankees #MLB”
nolie
December 13th, 2010
11:23 pm
I see that now Steve, sorry
Nova Scotia Steve
December 13th, 2010
11:27 pm
No worries at all!
Carroll Rogers
December 13th, 2010
11:30 pm
Good point Tom O’Hawke….
David O'Brien
December 13th, 2010
11:31 pm
Someone asked earlier about options and which Braves are out of them going into spring training. The only player out of options that’s probably relevant for the discussion is Joe Mather. If he doesn’t make the team, he’ll have to go through waivers to be sent down….
Nice day here in New Orleans: chili-and-cheese omelot at Camelia Grill, beignets and coffee at Cafe Du Monde, red beans-and-rice w/fried chicken at Coop’s Place in the Quarter, terrific jazz at Preservation Hall.
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Teabagger Johnson
December 13th, 2010
11:31 pm
Phillies going after Cliff Lee, while the Braves are hoping to get production from people like Jordan Schafer and Nate McLouth. *pukes*
Carroll Rogers
December 13th, 2010
11:31 pm
BB Fan, I don’t think any potential decision on Andruw would have to do with hard feelings, it would be based on what the Braves think he could (or could not) do for them.
Nova Scotia Steve
December 13th, 2010
11:35 pm
Hey
I got the lead question on Mark Bowman’s story from the mailbag on atlantabraves.com!!!
Isn’t that cool!
Brava
December 13th, 2010
11:36 pm
The thought of the Phillies signing Lee leaves me with a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. Just when I thought we were becoming competitive within the division. Ugh.
Jake W.
December 13th, 2010
11:37 pm
This Lee thing back to the phillies sounds a little bit like Furcal back to the braves, didn’t exactly work out to well……
Venice Jim
December 13th, 2010
11:37 pm
NY Times article says that the Yankees are becoming more pessimistic tonight due to the Phillies offer…
Tom O'Hawke
December 13th, 2010
11:41 pm
C’mon guys. At least wait until it happens before you take the plunge.
cabravesfan
December 13th, 2010
11:42 pm
Suddenly the Ravens seem to have forgotten how to play defense…
Teabagger Johnson
December 13th, 2010
11:46 pm
Finally turning out to be a good MNF game . . . there were 6 horrendous quarters prior to this 2nd half . . .
Tom O'Hawke
December 13th, 2010
11:46 pm
cabravesfan
Did VJ bring food home, or did he prepare?
Wide Right
December 13th, 2010
11:46 pm
Can’t go to sleep for fear of waking up and reading Lee is a Philly.
Tom O'Hawke
December 13th, 2010
11:48 pm
. . . there were 6 horrendous quarters prior to this 2nd half . . .
Man, that sounds like one LONG game!
cabravesfan
December 13th, 2010
11:51 pm
Tom-
We had left over burgers from our afternoon out with his lovely daughter and adorable little granddaughter
cabravesfan
December 13th, 2010
11:53 pm
By the way, Carroll, I never thanked you for the update on one of my favorite Braves and a fellow Southern Californian!
BB FAN
December 13th, 2010
11:54 pm
Carroll,
Thanks for the info. I just wasn’t sure if there was something specific. I guess I read into O’Brien’s comment a little too much.
Tom O'Hawke
December 13th, 2010
11:55 pm
cabravesfan
They came north? You didn’t go to San Diego, did you? How is Jim’s hairy little granddaughter doing? (He sent me pictures.)
Brave4life- We almost had it
December 13th, 2010
11:56 pm
yankees have been told they’re out of cliff lee sweepstakes
SI_JonHeyman
cabravesfan
December 13th, 2010
11:58 pm
Tom-
We met them half way in Newport Beach. His granddaughter is wonderful! A very happy child
Brave4life- We almost had it
December 13th, 2010
11:58 pm
http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/14543529044869121
Owl Hunter
December 13th, 2010
11:58 pm
Oh no!
cabravesfan
December 13th, 2010
11:59 pm
Gotta love the walk-off pick 6…
Owl Hunter
December 14th, 2010
12:01 am
OH NO!!
cabravesfan
December 14th, 2010
12:01 am
Night all!
Owl Hunter
December 14th, 2010
12:02 am
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2010
12:02 am
Official: Lee to the Phils
Brava
December 14th, 2010
12:04 am
Bigwheel
December 14th, 2010
12:04 am
Well it appears the phillies got cliff lee. I guess that means theyre going to trade away ryan howard to restock the funds.
Owl Hunter
December 14th, 2010
12:04 am
F’ it! We’ll find a way.
Braveheart
December 14th, 2010
12:06 am
Meanwhile, our owners sit there with their thumbs up their arses. That assumes of course that we actually have owners that are human who have thumbs and arses.
Brave4life- We almost had it
December 14th, 2010
12:07 am
Depressed
That rotation is going to be really hard to solve
N Nine
December 14th, 2010
12:07 am
A Phillie? NOOOOOOOOOOOO
Brave4life- We almost had it
December 14th, 2010
12:07 am
Where the heck did the Phils show up from
Teabagger Johnson
December 14th, 2010
12:08 am
Tom O’Hawke, there were two Monday night games. Vikings/Giants was terrible. Ravens/Texans was also terrible until the 2nd half . . .
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2010
12:10 am
The Braves really have no gripe here, at least towards our management. We’ve splurged and got one of the biggest bats on the market. This is the Phils counter moves. Doesn’t sound like the Phils can facilitate this trade w/out moving some money or players such as Blanton and Ibanez. If they move Ibanez then they will have taken some pop out of that lineup.
Teabagger Johnson
December 14th, 2010
12:11 am
What a surprise! Phillies get better. We get Jordan Schafer. We could end up with the 2nd lowest payroll in the division next year . . .
jed
December 14th, 2010
12:12 am
you never know. hamels could go back to sucking and lee could get hurt. (i’m an eternal optimist.)
Teabagger Johnson
December 14th, 2010
12:12 am
P’cola Brave, splurged? Are you kidding me?
fredi
December 14th, 2010
12:12 am
Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, Hamels – better than Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz – were sunk….
Tom O'Hawke
December 14th, 2010
12:13 am
That’s great, cabravesfan. I’m happy for them.
My very good friend, living in Tampa, just had a son a few weeks back. He was born with a head of hair that rivalled baby Julia’s mane.
It’s funny after the doctor slaps them in the butt to get them breathing, the hair dresser steps in next.
Oh, and good night.
richbrave
December 14th, 2010
12:14 am
LEE, BLANTON, OSWALT, HALLIDAY, ????? I forget vs. HANSON, JURRJENS, LOWE, HUDSON, MINOR/BEACHY – I like our chances. They gotta’ score too you know.
Tom O'Hawke
December 14th, 2010
12:15 am
Teabagger Johnson
Got it! (had it, actually)
Wow..
December 14th, 2010
12:15 am
Halladay
Lee
Oswalt
Hamels
Game over….
Teabagger Johnson
December 14th, 2010
12:15 am
So, Cliff Lee took less money to go to the Phillies. 5 years for about $100M according to NY Post . . .
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2010
12:16 am
richbrave
There 5th guy is Hamels. Looks like they will move Hanson. We have a very good rotation as well. From the sounds of it they need to move Ibanez as well. Take Werth and Ibanez out of that lineup then its not as deadly. We have added a great offensive force in Uggla. We should be fine. You still have to score to win.
Teabagger Johnson
December 14th, 2010
12:17 am
LEE, BLANTON, OSWALT, HALLIDAY, ????? I forget vs. HANSON, JURRJENS, LOWE, HUDSON, MINOR/BEACHY – I like our chances. They gotta’ score too you know.
I love the homerism, but that’s not even close . . .
N Nine
December 14th, 2010
12:17 am
The team that disappointed Lee by trading him just took less money and years!! How they do that?
Brave4life- We almost had it
December 14th, 2010
12:18 am
Cliff Lee took 50 MILLION dollars less to go to Philly
Thats a lot of bread he turned down
Brave4life- We almost had it
December 14th, 2010
12:20 am
WHY THE FUDGE did Yankee fans have to spit on his wife
I blame New York right now
Teabagger Johnson
December 14th, 2010
12:21 am
I blame the Braves for not even being in the ballgame . . . the Braves are bottom feeders!
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2010
12:21 am
Teabag
Your getting a little worked up over one pitcher. They’ve already lost their RF. Seems they have to move Ibanez to help create money to pay Lee. They have no bullpen outsite of Lidge. We are pretty equal team. They have the best rotation in baseball no doubt but they still have some work to do. Take Werth and Ibanez out of that lineup and that hurts. Plus we’ve beaten Hamels, Lee and Halladay. Oswalt has never beaten the Braves in his career. Calling ballgame now is a little premature my friend.
Murph
December 14th, 2010
12:22 am
Guys, before you panic, look at Lee’s career numbers. Aside from one amazing season in Cleveland he isn’t the Superman that this hype has made him out to be. I’d put any of our pitchers, aside from KK, up against him and not worry about our chances. He’s good, sure, but he’s not anything to be scared of.
If what people say is true and both Teheran and Delgado are ready by mid-summer then the Braves are in great shape should someone get hurt or struggle.
Think of it this way… if the Phillies do win the division again it just means the Braves don’t have to face them in the playoffs. Some other team will take them out in the first round and clear the way.
Rob from SC
December 14th, 2010
12:23 am
When I get pissed about our cheap ownership, I remind myself that Turner spent big money for years. Hopefully when they sell, new ownership will raise the payroll,
Wow..
December 14th, 2010
12:24 am
LEE, BLANTON, OSWALT, HALLIDAY, ????? I forget vs. HANSON, JURRJENS, LOWE, HUDSON, MINOR/BEACHY – I like our chances.
..Sorry. but they’re not even close to comparable. Just being realistic
And you’re forgetting Hamels
Rob from SC
December 14th, 2010
12:24 am
Brave4life- We almost had it
December 14th, 2010
12:18 am
Cliff Lee took 50 MILLION dollars less to go to Philly
Thats a lot of bread he turned down
The players union will not be happy.
Wow..
December 14th, 2010
12:26 am
And why are people suddenly acting like the Phillies have no offense? Even without Werth, they’re still better than the Braves.
ccrider
December 14th, 2010
12:26 am
Fredi: Halladay is the only sure Hall of Famer in that group. Not better than Maddox, Glavine and Smoltz. Deeper in some years maybe
Rob from SC
December 14th, 2010
12:27 am
Teheran will be needed in October. Take care of your business until then kid.
Teabagger Johnson
December 14th, 2010
12:27 am
P’cola Brave, they don’t need a great bullpen when their top pitchers are going 7-8+ innings.
The Braves starters kind of melted down by the end of the year, while their guys were just getting started.
Are you sure they will have to move some other players, or are you just speculating (hoping)?
Brave4life- We almost had it
December 14th, 2010
12:28 am
What i dont like about this is ONE thing. He is a Lefty,
The Braves are HORRIBLE against lefties for some odd reason
ward
December 14th, 2010
12:28 am
Hello every one! I’ts funny how Phillie fans didn’t come on our blog until they got Lee, and I predict Lee will be on the 15 day disabled list through out thr whole year! Plus he’s geeting old for that kind of money. All phillie fans go suck an egg! I’m laughing, and Phillies suck!!!!
Brave4life- We almost had it
December 14th, 2010
12:29 am
Where did the Phillies get 20 Million dollars from???
ward
December 14th, 2010
12:29 am
Lee over paid, and will be end up just like KK. in a couple of years or so…….
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2010
12:30 am
Teabagger
Its been stated they are trying to move Blanton and Ibanez to free money. Willing to eat at least half the salaries.
ward
December 14th, 2010
12:30 am
Stimulas package from Joe Biden…..
Teabagger Johnson
December 14th, 2010
12:32 am
P’cola Brave
Even if that is true, they’d still have more clutch hitters in their lineup than the Braves . . .