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jeffrey d
December 14th, 2010
9:39 pm
Oh, is that all it takes? Then here you go Soph….you can keep the change too
http://www.gagfly.com/image/27962
Trey
December 14th, 2010
9:40 pm
“Sure I did! I’m no welsher…”
I can be. I was in the sixth grade and I made a bad decision to bet with someone that the Braves would beat the Yankees in the WS, and we lost. It was $5.
nolie
December 14th, 2010
9:43 pm
mine is doing much the same thing McF and has been for a coupla days.
but I always have trouble of one sort or another with this blog no matter which of the three browsers I use
Soph
December 14th, 2010
9:44 pm
No thank you, nolie. You can take my place.
You’re too kind, jeffrey.
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
9:46 pm
jeffrey d—
Ha! Lordy…
Trey—
Dang…that’s a bummer. I try not to bet, ’cause I’m wrong too often to make it worth it…But back in September, 2006, the night after the Braves beat the Mets 12-0, I bet my Dad a bag of Halloween Whopper candies that they could beat the Mets by twelve runs a second night in a row. Oh heck yeah—Braves 13, Mets 1. It was fun!
nolie
December 14th, 2010
9:46 pm
OK, as a Welshman I take umbrage at the use of that bigoted term. another such usage and I am calling the ACLU. Be warned!!
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
9:46 pm
nolie—
Weird…
Soph You’re too kind, jeffrey.
nolie
December 14th, 2010
9:49 pm
it is actually welCher, but that is too close for me to accept either. for shame!
Trey
December 14th, 2010
9:52 pm
McFann, I was a kid and way too cocky then.
Trey
December 14th, 2010
9:53 pm
I didn’t even notice the “S” in Welcher.
nolie
December 14th, 2010
9:53 pm
Trey it’s good to see that you have gained some humility as you have become an old man
Trey
December 14th, 2010
9:57 pm
nolie, now I wouldn’t say old.
I am in my prime!
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
10:00 pm
Trey I was a kid and way too cocky then.
Ha, oh, I’m too often guilty of that trait myself…Some day, SOME day, I warn you, I will learn my lesson…if I haven’t already…
My impatience gets in the way of my rational thinking more than sometimes.
urban redneck
December 14th, 2010
10:03 pm
glad to hear my favorite brave is on the mend. please, for the love of all that is holy, never call him k-med again.
Bravefaninok
December 14th, 2010
10:03 pm
When the redsox signed Lackey last year everybody said they were a lock for the WS,and with Beckett,Lackey,Lester ,Buckholtz and Dice K you would think the Rotation in beantown was unstoppable…….now there trying to trade for Blanton.
Trey
December 14th, 2010
10:04 pm
McFann, most people are. Of course you will when you become old, like Nolie claims that I am!
Yeah, my impatience does too.
Paul Snyder
December 14th, 2010
10:10 pm
Nolie – But you have to remember both Bethancourt and Salcedo were very young for their league last year…playing most of the year (in CB’s case the whole year) as 18 year olds in the Class A Sally league…at an age when most kids are in low Rookie ball in the GCL (and actually barely out of HS)…plus they’re also getting acclimated to the US, the language, and full season pro ball in general…so you really have to take that into account when you evaluate either of these 2…I would expect to see big strides from both of them this year…and if that’s not the case maybe some slight conclusions could begin to be drawn…
I can agree with your statement about our system having a slight weakness due to too high concentration of prospects at the lower levels…if you’re talking about specifically position players and not pitching…if that distinction is made I wouldnt necessarily argue…now this year it’s up to guys like Myke, Pastornicky, Harrilchak, Leonard, Gosselin, Cunningham, Milligan, Simmons to keep raising their stock and try and change that perception…and show that we’re stronger at the high A and AA levels in terms of everyday players…
But in terms of arms, I definitely don’t think you can make that complaint…we’re obviously strong at all levels there…so I’m sure you were making a distinction looking solely at position players…
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
10:13 pm
Trey—
“When [I] become old”…that’s an int’resting thought. Ha, I still shutter at the thought of me—ME—someday having my own house…and car? Whoa…frightening thought. (I’ve had my learner’s for exactly a year this week, and have yet to set foot near a gas pedal. Heck, but no one’s to blame for that—except maybe the “nice” costumers that have had my Dad having to go into work nearly every Saturday this year…and the fact that driving scares the living cr** outta me. A friend of my Brother’s died in a car accident a week ago Sunday. So, ya know, I’m in NO hurry…)
But I digress big time…
I try hard to fight the cockiness “urge”—I think it helps to ignore the smart-alecks who think they’re so freakishly funny with their sometimes rather hurtful remarks…
Paul Snyder
December 14th, 2010
10:19 pm
Thanks, Carroll! Just paying tribute to the man…someone who had as much or more of an impact on the Braves organization than anybody ever…
Thanks also for the updates on Meds and O’Flat…great to hear both of them are doing well in their rehab and recovery…
Trey
December 14th, 2010
10:25 pm
McFann, I don’t blame ya. I was nervous about getting my license and driving. I knew a guy that was killed in a car wreck. I am still iffy about driving long distances, but I am doing so this weekend to Georgia. It’s normal to be nervous when you first start driving, as it is a big thing.
It’s awesome when you don’t ignore the smart alecks. It’s hilarious when you go off on them.
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
10:32 pm
Trey—
Yeah, it’s a frightening thing. My Brother and another friend of his are gonna be driving back here from where they go to school now, in Kansas. They were gonna leave tonight, but the friend is having car trouble. But, now they don’t have to drive so much in the dark!
Hope you have a safe trip!
It’s awesome when you don’t ignore the smart alecks. It’s hilarious when you go off on them.
Ha, thanks. Sometimes I have to let it out.
But other times, especially after what this one guy said during the season and then in the playoffs when we thought BMac might be hurt, well, I just figger it’s not worth my time. Though maybe I should have let him know how hurtful those things really were to me…
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
10:36 pm
I don’t even know if “hurtful” is really the right word necessarily, but even in the midst of frustration, they were terribly rude, mean things to say.
Trey
December 14th, 2010
10:42 pm
McFann, it really is. It’s also an enjoyable thing to drive and have independence. I just hate driving in traffic, especially in Atlanta. I hope they get their car fixed.
Of course you have to let it out, it’s normal. I tell you one thing that got me was a comment that I read on the Tampa Bay Bucs page, one woman said something like “It would be great if Matt Ryan suffered a season ending injury”.
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
10:52 pm
Trey—
Yeah, sometimes I do think it would be fun to drive, but other times…yeesh. I can’t stand being trapped behind somebody when I’m walking in the mall, or even riding in the car, don’t know how I’m gonna handle it while actually driving…
And my mind has an insane tendency to wander. I mean, I know everybody’s does, but sometimes concentration is just real hard for me to come by…unless of course, BMac’s batting.
Of course you have to let it out, it’s normal.
Yeah. But I do “like” to just ignore the guy and not always give him the “satisfaction” of getting my attention, ’cause a lot of the time, I think that’s all he’s after.
I tell you one thing that got me was a comment that I read on the Tampa Bay Bucs page, one woman said something like “It would be great if Matt Ryan suffered a season ending injury”.
That’s the kind of thing I’m talkin’ about…
UKUGA
December 14th, 2010
10:59 pm
Did the Phillies replace Jayson Werth?
Does it matter?
Trey
December 14th, 2010
11:07 pm
McFann, just do like all of us and start cussing and honking at everyone who pisses you off, slow down if people tail gate you.
Well, imagine B Mac running in front of your car and you are trying to catch him. Maybe it will help you drive straight!
I know, she had no class with that post about Matt Ryan. I was about to respond to it, I did, but I deleted, as I didn’t feel like starting a pointless online argument. I don’t get too much fun out of them anymore.
TennBravesFan
December 14th, 2010
11:11 pm
Interesting stats about Phillies starting 4 vs Braves starting 4
- Both staffs career era’s range from lowest of 3.16 (Hanson) to 3.85(Lee)
- Halladay, Hudson, Lowe, Oswalt…all have over 150 wins (in order)
- The highest winning percentage is Halladay at .663 over Hudson at .655
- Cliff Lee actually has the highest career era of all 8 pitchers
- in a small sample, Hanson has the lowest era but worst winning percentage
- The Phillies big 4 are combined 481 wins and 275 losses a .636 win %
- The Braves big 4 are combined 380 wins and 258 losses a .577 win % (exactly half of Braves losses belong to Lowe)
- For their careers Hudson and Halladay are almost indentical in wins, losses, era, and win %…..you could argue that Oswalt actually has the best numbers
Trey
December 14th, 2010
11:16 pm
TennBraveFan, very interesting. Those are pretty evenly matched.
Trey
December 14th, 2010
11:17 pm
Anyway, I am tired I need to head to bed, but also need to study.
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2010
11:18 pm
Glad to see that the sky has quit falling on the blog.
Brave4life- Cliff Lee's wife ruined it
December 14th, 2010
11:23 pm
I expect the Phillies to win 90+ games easily
Brave4life- Cliff Lee's wife ruined it
December 14th, 2010
11:25 pm
Cliff Lee replaces Jayson Werth
Good thing is that Cliff Lee will only be on the mound every 5rth day
but wait they have Halladay
but wait they have Oswalt
but wait the have Hamels
FUDGE
Doc Holiday
December 14th, 2010
11:31 pm
Just to let you know the magnitude of today´s philly move.
Among active pitchers winning % (minimum 1000IP):
1. Halladay 0.6627
3. Hudson 0.6548
5. Oswalt 0.6438
8. Lee 0.6258
23. Hamels 0.5714
Those 4 guys average a 0.6259 winning %.
If those 4 guys start and average 33.5 games that adds up to 134 games. Which translate into 84 wins just between them.
If the 5th stater goes 10-10 in their 28 starts, thats 94 wins…….
And you need to add the wins by the bullpen 20 could be a reasonable numbers…….Thats 114 wins.
You need to take off some wins because of the no decisions. Id say 12.
So in my book, the phillies will win 102 games.
So if the braves win 94 games, which I think they can, they will still finish 8 games behind.
Ouch.
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
11:31 pm
Trey Well, imagine B Mac running in front of your car and you are trying to catch him. Maybe it will help you drive straight!
I was about to respond to it, I did, but I deleted, as I didn’t feel like starting a pointless online argument. I don’t get too much fun out of them anymore.
That’s the way it is for me a lot, too. It’s like banging your head against the wall—he doesn’t listen, he doesn’t seem to care if what he said bothered/offended you, so why acknowledge it all? I used to kind of enjoy telling people off…I still do sometimes, but most of the time, what’s the point? Besides, I usually wind up thinking of a way better response like 3 hours later…
shinburger
December 14th, 2010
11:32 pm
I wish we had k-med healthy going into spring training.He would make our pitching staff even that much better.
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2010
11:34 pm
B4L
Yeah. The Phils should win 90 gms. But they still have to avoid injury like everyone else. I think their offense will be set back some w/ the loss of Werth. Especially since J-Roll only lasts around 100 gms. But like with anyteam, pitching and hitting will struggle at times. Thats why we play 162 gms.
keylargo
December 14th, 2010
11:34 pm
Anyway, I am tired I need to head to bed, but also need to study
Study then. No surer way to fall asleep ASAP.
Tomas
December 14th, 2010
11:37 pm
Derek Lowe for Brett Gardener, Joba Chamberlain, and Eduardo Nunez.
Then trade Joba Chamberlain, Brandon Beachy, and Eduardo Nunez for Zack Greinke.
Braves get the 2009 AL Cy Young. They also get Brett Gardener a speedy outfielder, and all it would cost ATL is Brandon Beachy. They’d also save 3 million. They get a true ace.
Question is would the Yankees give those players to ATL and would the Royals like that deal for Greinke, but it seems fair.
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2010
11:38 pm
I know the division looks kinda bleak now but all you got to do is get to the postseason. Wild Card is winnable.
Doc Holiday
December 14th, 2010
11:39 pm
With those 4 aces, their bullpen will stay rested as babies. They wont need to score many runs and their BP wont need to be that good, as all those starters usually go deep into the game.
P'cola Brave
December 14th, 2010
11:42 pm
Tomas
Doubt they would even consider that. Nunez is the big SS prospect they been talking about right? Lowe won’t command that much. I’m nervous about Greinke with his mental anxiety issues. Atlanta is usually a low pressure town so maybe it would work out. Under the scenario that one of our pitchers are moved, it might not hurt to look into Garza instead of Greinke.
Venice Jim
December 14th, 2010
11:47 pm
Doc – over the past three years the four of them have combined for an average of 30 no decisions per year, way over your figure of 12…
TnBrian
December 14th, 2010
11:48 pm
I’m stunned they got Lee. Oh how I hate those Phillies. Halladay/Lee/Hamels/Oswalt ….. OH MY! More than likely it’ll be in that order, so imagine their #4 starter was the ace of the Astros and is still considered one. 4 aces to go with that lineup is almost not fair. Then again, their offense has had some issues and it’s never guaranteed all those pitchers will stay healthy.
Still, damn, they got what you call an edge heading into 2011, at least on paper.
TnBrian
December 14th, 2010
11:53 pm
On to our Braves now — I’d still like to see Wren get a backup plan for CF that doesn’t involve something in house. He’d also be wise to get, if he can afford it, someone to be a backup for Gonzalez at SS. Do we trust Hernandez there?
Tomas
December 14th, 2010
11:57 pm
Nunez is the guy the Braves considered before they trade for Alex Gonzalez. They’ve been talking about Jesus Montero Yankees top prospect, I know they wouldn’t trade him for Lowe.
I guess it depends on the level of desperation the Yankees are in. Lowe a ground ball pitcher with big game experience, previous success in the AL East. Two straight seasons of more than 15 wins, and ended the season in a big way.
I’d do it if I’m the Yankees, and sign Magglio or Johnny Damon. Sign Kerry Wood, Brian Fuentes, and Bobby Jenks. They obviously don’t have money restrictions.
nolie
December 15th, 2010
12:03 am
we need Melky back to counteract the Lee pickup
Doc Holiday
December 15th, 2010
12:03 am
Venice Jim,
Thanks for your contribution.
Good stat.
You think my guess for 102 wins is far from true?
They are set for 102 to say the least. IMO.
I dont like them, but we have to admit they are in heaven right now. Post season is another story. But this guys have a a 65% chance of winning everytime this guys are on the mount. Every 4 out of 5 games.
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:04 am
Has there been any indication from the Braves camp that they would be interested in or willing to trade Derek Lowe? Or is this just a blog rumor started by some Yankee loving sports writer?
I think this is much ado about nothing.
P'cola Brave
December 15th, 2010
12:06 am
Tomas
I’d almost be more interested in swapping Lowe for Swish and the Nunez kid. Save us some money and they would acquire a proven SP. I don’t know I want the Braves to trade for Greinke. Maybe a Garza or someone along that line.
Doc Holiday
December 15th, 2010
12:09 am
nolie
December 15th, 2010
12:03 am
we need Melky back to counteract the Lee pickup
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You think giving up Beachy and Freeman can get us Melky back? Come on Frank, pull the trigger.
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:10 am
Phillies win 125 games in 2011. Bank on it!
keylargo
December 15th, 2010
12:15 am
I swear I read on a Yankee blog that one blogger wanted to trade AJ Burnette to the Braves for Derek Lowe. Said contracts were about equal and it would be good for both teams.
As you can see, bloggers are idiots.
richbrave
December 15th, 2010
12:15 am
FALL BALL
DOMINICAN
CF JOSE CONSTANZA 0-4, 1 BB, 1 SO, .315 BA.
RH/RP JAIRO ASENCIO 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 0 SO, 3.38 ERA.
DH DIORY HERNANDEZ 0-3, .326 BA.
LF WILKIN CASTILLO 1-3, .282 BA.
MEXICO
DH BARBARO CANIZARES 2-3, 1 R, .322 BA bottom of the sixth.
PUERTO RICO
C ORLANDO MERCADO 2-3, 2 2B (9), 1 RBI (15), .296 BA.
VENEZUELA
RH/SP JOSE ORTEGANO goes 5.0 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 2 SO, 3.10 ERA. Improving slowly.
C JC BOSCAN 1-2, 1 SO, .214 BA.
Arkansas Transplant
December 15th, 2010
12:16 am
P’cola Brave,
How about this, we move JJ, Delgado, Lipka and Merak for King Felix? Our rotation would look something like this:
Hudson
Hernandez
Hanson
Lowe
Minor/Beachy
Which if need be we could also move lowe to the Yanks for maybe Gardner and prospect or 2?
richbrave
December 15th, 2010
12:17 am
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:10 am
Phillies win 125 games in 2011. Bank on it!
DS1:
You’re a funny man.
Venice Jim
December 15th, 2010
12:18 am
Doc – they have averaged winning 65% of the games in which they have gotten a decision – a fairly major distinction – and Cliff Lee has not exactly been a superstar except for two years – throw those out and he is 62-53 during the regular season…I don’t view it as heaven, but the inning-eating capability will make their bullpen potentially less disastrous than it might be…
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:18 am
key
I’ve seen some equally puzzling proposals on this blog for trades too. Heck, I made a few doozies myself!
What puzzles me is that folks only look at what they WANT the Braves to get, and don’t look at what the other teams needs are.
richbrave
December 15th, 2010
12:22 am
I started comparing the SP results between the BRAVES and PHILLIES in 2010. I got through the first nine games. We beat HAMELS once, BLANTON once, and KENDRICK twice and lost to JAMIE MOYER twice, HALLIDAY twice.and HAMELS once. It’s in the bag. BRAVES win in ‘11.
P'cola Brave
December 15th, 2010
12:25 am
Ark. Trans.
I doubt King Felix gets moved. If he becomes available no doubt the Yanks beat the Braves to the punch. Hard for me to see the braves acquiring Gardner w/ Schafer in waiting.
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:25 am
How many times has the team that everybody was giving the World Serious to in December actually won it the following November?
I am looking forward to the teams playing the games. I think we have a shot. A lot of things can go right or wrong with a team during the course of 162 games.
Heck, maybe Philadelphia will go 162-0. But I kinda doubt it.
And all this talk about dealing our pitching? Where is that coming from folks?
I don’t see it. We need a backup SS/middle infielder and maybe another outfielder. That’s it.
Doc Holiday
December 15th, 2010
12:26 am
Venice Jim,
That team will be much better than their aces numbers. They will get into opposition heads before 1st pitch. Im not saying braves are going lay down and roll over like puppies. But man, that pitching staff added up to their lineup will put so much pressure on opposition, its like the game is already 3-0 in the 5th before it begins.
P'cola Brave
December 15th, 2010
12:28 am
DS1
The talk is just speculation on part of those here talking about it. All on the assumption that we may have a few guys the Yanks covet. I don’t see anything happening unless we can really improve the offense. Our SP is definitely a strength and I’m nervous about busting any of that up.
Venice Jim
December 15th, 2010
12:31 am
Doc – in many cases, you only have to face one pitcher per night, not the entire starting rotation – Halladay is the only one that I find as formidable as several of the Giants’ pitchers…but feel free to be intimidated, if you would like…
Last year we heard that Lee might be the best pitcher in post-season history, but the heavy-hitting Giants’ lineup had no trouble with him…
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:31 am
Doc
I think you are giving way too much credit to somebody’s previous record, and way too little credit to over 700 other baseball players not on the Phillies team.
I’ll give you that the Phillies staff is top notch, but I don’t think they are appreciably better than our staff.
That is assuming that everybody plays to their potential on both sides of the diamond.
I don’t want to hear any of the bs about fighting for the wild card out of our Braves org.
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:33 am
and Derek Lowe will be the opening day starter for the Braves next April.
Arkansas Transplant
December 15th, 2010
12:34 am
Personally, I’d like to see us make a move to either acquire Greinke with some package in the way of Delgado, Beachy, Mycal Jones and maybe someone like Marek or either us acquiring someone like Justin Upton that we could have under control for quite a while with us possibly having an outfield that would look like lf Upton, cf Schafer (if he finds what made him special early in 09) and rf Heyward. That would be one awesome outfield not to mention we’d have control of them for quite some time.
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:36 am
FYI, I just got word that I was approved for my earmark project of studying the mental stability of Atlanta Braves fans! I’ll be flying around the country to interview many of you fine folks.
Keylargo, I’ll probably start with you. I think you are a pretty sick individual, so I might have to plan an extended stay down your way!!!
Arkansas Transplant
December 15th, 2010
12:36 am
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:33 am
I very seriously doubt this, I’m not so convinced that he’ll even be wearing a Braves uniform in April. I think if an opportunity arises where a team is interested in him, I bet we move him.
Venice Jim
December 15th, 2010
12:37 am
DS1 – don’t make your visit our way this weekend – rainy forecast…
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:37 am
Arkansas
I don’t think the Braves are interested in adding a top starter. And the only way I see them going after another big bat is if there is some indication that Chipper won’t be able to play.
P'cola Brave
December 15th, 2010
12:38 am
Ark. Trans.
I wouldn’t mind Upton. I think he will be a better fit once Chip retires. I don’t think we need to add any pitching. Our top 4 pitchers IMO is in the top 3 rotations in the NL (Which can boast some damn good staffs). I would like to see a decent back up OF option. Someone who could takeover if Chip goes down or Nate struggles.
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:40 am
Arkansas
That must be a gut feel that you have about Lowe, because absolutely nobody within the org or at the AJC are saying that dealing Lowe (or any of the big 4) is even on the radar screen.
Maybe you just have gas????
Arkansas Transplant
December 15th, 2010
12:42 am
I think a lot of things changed yesterday even if no one wants to actually admit it. I’m just saying, it wouldn’t surprise me if we made some kind of move. Whether that be adding a proven bat, cause oviously management seems a little concerned about Mclouth and your going to have to pay him either way, I don’t really know. I do like our team make up as it stands but as with anything, it can always be better. I’m just really ready for ST, it’s just not right when there’s no baseball being played.
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:43 am
Arkansas and P’cola
I suspect that the Braves will wait until the spring to see how the pieces are fitting before making any other reasonably larger moves.
We might see KK dealt, but I kinda hope we hang onto him for a while. He might come in handy in the spring.
ward
December 15th, 2010
12:43 am
ESPN: calls, Lee, Cole, Roy, and Ozwalt The Four Aces.I’m going to call them the Falling Aces. I just don’t see it working out….How is every one? You have just love ESPN…..
ward
December 15th, 2010
12:45 am
We have our own Aces: Hudson, J.J., Hanson, and Lowe…….The real Aces…..
P'cola Brave
December 15th, 2010
12:47 am
Ark. Trans.
Yes things changed. The Phils made a huge, unexpected move. Its never been the Braves way to go out and counter balance that move. In reality this may be the Phils move to counter our Uggla acquisation. I don’t think we need another SP. Our rotation can be very shut down when clicking. The Braves won’t sell the farm to win this year. They’ve shown that. All we have to do is get in the playoffs, whether its WC or Division.
I’d rather hold on to prospects for this year. That way if Chip retires we can make the splurge then. We will know more about how our rotation will look in the future and can part w/ certain prospects. I think Upton could be something they really pursue next offseason.
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:48 am
Arkansas
AMEN! No baseball sucks big time.
But to react to some other teams moves is not the way to go either. You have to build your team with your plan, and not let the Phillies dictate your moves.
That’s kinda like saying “we have to do something!” No we don’t. We already added a 30 HR right handed bat to our lineup. We have solidified our bullpen, and picked up a handful of minor leaguers to vie for a job in the spring.
We will only need another outfieder if Chipper can’t play regularly, or if McLouth, Young and Schafer collectively fall on their faces.
Guys, I’m heading off to bed. Got an early wakeup call tomorrow.
Take care………
Arkansas Transplant
December 15th, 2010
12:49 am
I’m with you on keeping KK, let him show his stuff in ST and maybe you might be more in return cause right now moving him to save a mil is kinda pointless in my opinion. As far as keeping Lowe, I really don’t see a point in it unless no one is interested in him, we have major league ready pitching log jam right now and I think he’s the odd man out. There’s absolutely no way he’s in the rotation next year, so why not move him now if the possibility presented itself? I really don’t think it would weaken us all that much anyways.
ward
December 15th, 2010
12:50 am
Remember Mike Hampton , and the Rockies!Cliff Lee, and the Phillies….
P'cola Brave
December 15th, 2010
12:50 am
DS1
I’m probably in the minority here but would like to see the Braves call on Mike Cameron to check on his availability and asking price. I’m starting to warm to Bill Hall as well. I just don’t think the Braves can afford to not have a formidable 4th OF with the questions surrounding Mclouth and Chipper.
N8
December 15th, 2010
12:51 am
“That team will be much better than their aces numbers. They will get into opposition heads before 1st pitch.” Doc
Yup. Too many people forget (or are too young to have actually watched it), how that is exactly what the Braves did in the 90’s. I’m not saying that teams feared the Braves. Clearly they didn’t in the post-season.
But there was no “breather” in the rotation for teams. Most of the time you face a team if you get the Ace in game one, by game 3 you feel you have a shot against the 3rd guy in the rotation. In the 90’s the Braves just kept rolling out pitchers that just did their job and shut teams down.
It’s hard to forget how defeated some of the leagues best offenses looked on a Sunday “getaway” afternoon game, when it looked as though the team was just going through the motions to get the hell out of town before they embarrassed themselves anymore than they already had.
But soon enough teams will be feeling that way about Hudson, Hanson, JJJ and Teheran. Phillies are stacked. Braves aren’t too far behind. But they are behind.
nolie
December 15th, 2010
12:51 am
WWhat the heck is with the constant posts about trading for Greinke? He has two years left at 13.5 mil per, where in the world do folks think the Braves are gonna come up with that bread? On top of that KC has been specific about what they want, and we really ain’t got it.
Living out of touch with reality is not healthy. Next thing you know you are actually thinking that Bobby Cox was a great manager, and that the Falcons are gonna win the World Series…or whatever that thingy is called.
Arkansas Transplant
December 15th, 2010
12:52 am
Get some sleep DS1, we’ll debate another day…
ward
December 15th, 2010
12:52 am
We do have Delgado, and Beachy, and Minor…..,but Lowe did awsome in the Play Offs….
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:54 am
AT
You don’t think Lowe will be in our rotation in 2011 or 2012? I ain’t worried about 2012 right now. You can never have too much pitching.
Jurrjens might be back to his old self. Might not though. Hanson will probably be better. Huddy will probably be the same.
I would hate to count on Minor or Beachy for very much more than the 5 slot next year.
If we don’t need Lowe for 2012, then we can deal him in a year.
Mark my words (best impression of Tomahawkin or was it Mitchell), Lowe pitches 200 innings in ATL and wins 15-17 games with a 3.5 ERA.
Write it down. Take it to the bank! and all those other cute sayings…….
later……
ward
December 15th, 2010
12:54 am
Nolie: We have great pitching, and wouldn’t trade for Grienke anyways. It would be foolish …..We are stacked with great young arms…..
nolie
December 15th, 2010
12:55 am
I like Hide and watch myself
N8
December 15th, 2010
12:55 am
“Remember Mike Hampton , and the Rockies!Cliff Lee, and the Phillies….”
Cliff Lee is going to hit 7 HR next year for the Phillies? Great. That’s ALL they need is another power hitter.
ward
December 15th, 2010
12:56 am
Lowe is a vetran, and would be wise to keep him….
Arkansas Transplant
December 15th, 2010
12:57 am
P’cola Brave
That’s where I think making a move to acquire Upton would solify this lineup. Mclouth could then serve as your 4th of, he could play lf if Prado was to have to play 3rd if chipper doesn’t make it back or if chip just needs a day off. I think we have the farm to make the move and still not handicap us in any way. Bethancourt is a prime prospect at catcher and with McCann there now, he’s prefect trade bait with Delgado or Minor or Beachy or you fill in the blanks.. we’ve definitely got the depth to make this happen.
ward
December 15th, 2010
12:57 am
N8: Mike Hamton was a complete disaster…..
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:58 am
nolie
So your saying I can’t sign Beltre as Chipper’s backup???
ward
December 15th, 2010
12:58 am
No trades…. hold on to what you have. Braves will be fine….
DS1
December 15th, 2010
12:59 am
Let’s wait until next winter and sign Pujols as Freeman’s platoon partner!
keylargo
December 15th, 2010
1:00 am
Keylargo, I’ll probably start with you. I think you are a pretty sick individual, so I might have to plan an extended stay down your way!!!
Wa………..DS1
I was crying tonight on Trey’s shoulder I had to ride my bike (bicycle not Harley) in 48 degree weather. More of the same Wednesday.
If you want to expose yourself to brutal winters of South Florida, come on and bring a half gallon of Vodka.
nolie
December 15th, 2010
1:00 am
Upton sux. Rays fans would rejoice in getting that lazy, mean slackoff outta town. Just what the Braves need, no doubt
P'cola Brave
December 15th, 2010
1:01 am
AT
I’d jump at making a move for Upton if we had the room. I don’t see acquiring him right now because who do you put in CF? Upton and Heyward really have no experience there. Now if Chipper goes down early for an extended period of time or, heaven forbid, for the year, then I’d make that move right away.
Arkansas Transplant
December 15th, 2010
1:01 am
DS1,
There’s no room in the Inn for Lowe next year. We’ll have Minor and Beachy both seasoned, Hudson, Hanson and JJ under contract, Teheran knocking on the door not to mention Delgado, Vizcaino and a fully recovered Medlen. I think you sell high now, don’t wait and have his stock drop or something else that might make it impossible to move him after this year.. God forbid he gets hurt and we’re paying like we did Hampton to sit the bench. Move him now while he’s got some value.
ward
December 15th, 2010
1:01 am
I say let’s wait until the All Star Break, and then see what you have……No need to panic now!