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N8
December 14th, 2010
5:50 pm
In know Trey.
RC, you’re right about the longevity. But if the media is going to anoint them the greatest rotation of all time, they should do their homework first. I bet the Orioles rotation of in the 70’s and the 60’s Dodgers rotations would have something to say about that too. LOL
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
5:51 pm
Trey—
Hey, I’m a girl and his looks don’t mean much to me, either.
but he could hit.
True that…though I’m not sure I actually ever watched him hit…
MIBravesFan
December 14th, 2010
5:51 pm
What on earth is Philly’s payroll now? What are they doing, printing their own money?!
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
5:52 pm
MIBravesFan What are they doing, printing their own money?!
Let’s just say that have it made up by “native craftsmen”…
Braveman
December 14th, 2010
5:52 pm
Oprah is retiring after this season, Maybe wants to be the second woman to own a baseball team. Oh, sorry ! I dosed off !!!
MFin04
December 14th, 2010
5:52 pm
Apparently only 2 of the 5 are lefties. Sorry thought Blanton/Kendrick were either lefties.
I don’t see the Braves beating Hamels or Lee. Halladay is about as tough as they come as a righty. Braves have faired well against Oswalt. Braves have hit Blanton hard, but Kendrick seems to always dominate the Braves, at least he did last year in 3 starts with a 1+ERA.
Bat Masterson
December 14th, 2010
5:54 pm
MIBravesFan _
Nice to see you. I’ve been wondering how things are up there.
njbraves
December 14th, 2010
5:54 pm
If Frank Wren isn’t on the phone with the Yankees, he’s an idiot. This is the perfect time to get Lowe and his $30 million outta here.
Braveman
December 14th, 2010
5:55 pm
I just heard on MLB Tonight, Philly definately will have to move someone or ones, In order to free up the money for Lee. One said, Hamels and Blanton.
Enquiring Minds Want to Know
December 14th, 2010
5:55 pm
Trey,
On what do you base that optimism? At age 37, he’s finally figured it all out? Our experience with him is hot streaks and cold streaks. He probably just finished on a hot streak. Now don’t get me wrong, when you average it all out, he’s a pretty good pitcher who was never hurt (at least until last year), but is that worth $15 million? It was to us two years ago, but I’m not so sure about now.
Braveman
December 14th, 2010
5:56 pm
King Felix ! King Felix !……………………
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
5:57 pm
NOOOOO!! No, no, no! They should NOT part ways with Blanton…he’s so totally worth their money.
…Unless the Mets/Marlins/Nationals want him, I guess…
MFin04
December 14th, 2010
5:57 pm
While I like the idea of trying to unload Derek Lowe, who are we replacing him with? Another young prospect? That’s pretty scary. And what are the Braves going to get in return?
Money? What do we get with the money? Not many free agents left to sign.
Players? Who would the Yankees trade us?
Trey
December 14th, 2010
6:00 pm
Enquiring Minds Want to Know, I am placing blind faith into this. Pretty much like you do every year, as you never know how a player will perform until they actually play.
NoBreggie4Dogs
December 14th, 2010
6:01 pm
Trade Lowe to Stinkees for either Joba or Gardner and then sign Derek Lee for 1 year @ 10$
Trey
December 14th, 2010
6:01 pm
Enquiring Minds, who would we get in return? We can’t afford to give Lowe up with not much in return. Who would we get to replace him?
MIBravesFan
December 14th, 2010
6:01 pm
Good post, Paul Snyder (December 14th, 2010 5:47 pm). Some good and timely perspective.
Paul Snyder
December 14th, 2010
6:01 pm
Steve from OH – Yep great piece on Nicky Lidstrom…what a class act he is…and he’s without a doubt one of the best D’men ever to play the game…right after Orr and Doug Harvey is probably appropriate…and how cool were the quotes in the article from Orr himself…
MIBraves Fan – if they don’t move anyone before the season their payroll will be creeping up towards 170m…kinda scary huh? In addition to adding Lee they have big increases this year on Halladay, Oswalt, and Blanton…
BravesFanChris26
December 14th, 2010
6:02 pm
RC
While I see your point, it doesn’t change the fact that Giants are currently World Series Champions. As Ric Flair would say “To Be The Man You Have To Beat The Man” and while Phillies have increased their chances to make it to WS and possibly win it, they HAVE TO GET THERE first. Giants are the team to beat regardless of all the other intangibles.
MIBravesFan
December 14th, 2010
6:02 pm
“McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
5:52 pm
MIBravesFan What are they doing, printing their own money?!
Let’s just say that have it made up by “native craftsmen”…”
lol
BravesFanChris26
December 14th, 2010
6:04 pm
If I were in charge, I’d trade Lowe to Yanks for Gardner and with the money saved there I’d trade for Greinke (anyone minus Terehan) or Matt Garza (would take a lesser package than for Greinke) and then play ball.
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
6:04 pm
MIBraveFan—
Paul Snyder
December 14th, 2010
6:04 pm
Thanks, MIBravesFan!! I figured some was needed after most of the stuff I’ve been hearing all day…
keylargo
December 14th, 2010
6:04 pm
If Frank Wren isn’t on the phone with the Yankees, he’s an idiot. This is the perfect time to get Lowe and his $30 million outta here.
You only got it half right. Lowe to the Yankees, then Greinke to the Braves. Lowe’s money = Greinke salary for 3 years with $5 M left over.
NoBreggie4Dogs
December 14th, 2010
6:05 pm
Oh sweet 8lb 6oz Baby Jesus, what was TED worth at his peak $5Billsky, dunno, but Filthies owners are worth at least that in CASHHHHH and their peasants, I mean fans sell out their peadome each night….. economics, economics folks
go Braves
Trey
December 14th, 2010
6:05 pm
keylargo, if that would happen I would be all for that deal.
MIBravesFan
December 14th, 2010
6:06 pm
“Bat Masterson
December 14th, 2010
5:54 pm
MIBravesFan _
Nice to see you. I’ve been wondering how things are up there.”
Nice to see you, too, Bat. The main roads were better today but the subdivision roads are still snow-covered and slippery at the intersections. And you know it’s cold when making it into into the low 20s is an improvement!
Murph
December 14th, 2010
6:08 pm
KC wants to trade Grienke for players that are either MLB ready or close that play up the middle… how do the Braves and/or Yankees fill those needs?
Ain’t gonna happen.
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
6:08 pm
We’re 28° feels like 18° right now!
MIBravesFan
December 14th, 2010
6:09 pm
“Paul Snyder
December 14th, 2010
6:01 pm
Steve from OH – Yep great piece on Nicky Lidstrom…what a class act he is…and he’s without a doubt one of the best D’men ever to play the game…right after Orr and Doug Harvey is probably appropriate…and how cool were the quotes in the article from Orr himself…
MIBraves Fan – if they don’t move anyone before the season their payroll will be creeping up towards 170m…kinda scary huh? In addition to adding Lee they have big increases this year on Halladay, Oswalt, and Blanton…”
Thanks, Paul. I knew it had to be a pretty ridiculous number.
Enquiring Minds Want to Know
December 14th, 2010
6:11 pm
Trey,
In my mind it only works if, like RC said, you think Minor and Beachy are the real deal. I’m not sure that NYY would send back anything you could use this year. The point of the maneuver would be to free up cash.
Key Largo gets it, but I think the trade price for Greinke might be too steep.
Trey
December 14th, 2010
6:11 pm
I tell ya what, we would be fine with all we have done this off season, but since the Phillies pulled this number we have to make another big deal. I don’t know what, but I hope something big happens.
Bat Masterson
December 14th, 2010
6:11 pm
The main roads were better today but the subdivision roads are still snow-covered and slippery at the intersections. And you know it’s cold when making it into into the low 20s is an improvement! _ MIBF
Well I was concerned, what with roofs caving in and everything. I don’t know how y’all handle those temperatures. Put some snow on the roads in my part of the world and it’s demolition derby time.
MIBravesFan
December 14th, 2010
6:12 pm
“McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
6:08 pm
We’re 28° feels like 18° right now!”
That would be a nice improvement for us! Almost in sight of freezing! )
Paul Snyder
December 14th, 2010
6:12 pm
Yep…that’s the problem with a potential deal for Greinke…they want a prospect package that includes some close to major league ready middle infield talent…and we’re not quite there yet in that aspect…we undoubtedly have 1 or 2 young arms that could get their attention…but in this case that won’t be enough…
Tomas
December 14th, 2010
6:13 pm
Is the Nl east the toughest division in baseball now?
Trey
December 14th, 2010
6:14 pm
Yeah, it is freezing up here in VA, but I believe GA has it worse. It is becoming impossible to run and I am going to be out of shape, soon.
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
6:17 pm
MIBravesFan—
Ha, no kidding! Boy-oh-boy…that’s some crazy stuff up there!
Jeff R
December 14th, 2010
6:17 pm
Lee’s addition to the Phils’ rotation is a big deal. But the Braves’ rotation has the potential to be superb, especially if Jurrjens returns to form. The Braves will compete for the post season, regardless.
MIBravesFan
December 14th, 2010
6:17 pm
“Bat Masterson
December 14th, 2010
6:11 pm
The main roads were better today but the subdivision roads are still snow-covered and slippery at the intersections. And you know it’s cold when making it into into the low 20s is an improvement! _ MIBF
Well I was concerned, what with roofs caving in and everything. I don’t know how y’all handle those temperatures. Put some snow on the roads in my part of the world and it’s demolition derby time.”
Well, that particular roof was in Minnesota, so I’m tempted to say “what can anyone expect?” but I’ll try to refrain (sort of). I can handle the temperatures as long as the power stays on and I can get around on the roads.
Rob from SC
December 14th, 2010
6:18 pm
Let me be honest and admit that the Phillies have an outstanding rotation. Over the course of a 162 game season they should win the division (We will win the WC). However as us Braves fans know, having the best rotation in baseball doesn’t mean anything come October.
Before anyone gives them the trophy, let the season and playoff’s play out.
Come October it will be Heyward, Freeman and Julio time.
Paul Snyder
December 14th, 2010
6:18 pm
MIBravesFan – Yep it’s pretty ridiculous…they’re looking to move Blanton or Ibanez I think…but with Ibanez being owed 11.5m this year and Blanton 8.5m each for 2011 and 2012 it might be pretty tough to find any takers…
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
6:18 pm
Holy cats…the Yankees signed Russell Martin?? My goodness…I didn’t even realize he was available.
McFann O O
December 14th, 2010
6:19 pm
Oh, they should definitely move Ibanez…I mean, he’s owed more money…
Later!
keylargo
December 14th, 2010
6:21 pm
The Royals would trade Greinke to the Braves for a couple of pitchers either MLB ready or ready in a year or two. I won’t speculate on which ones. The Braves could also gear the Lowe to Yankees deal to prospects the Royals would want.
Lowe to Yankees and Greinke to the Braves just makes sense for the future.
MIBravesFan
December 14th, 2010
6:22 pm
“Paul Snyder
December 14th, 2010
6:18 pm
MIBravesFan – Yep it’s pretty ridiculous…they’re looking to move Blanton or Ibanez I think…but with Ibanez being owed 11.5m this year and Blanton 8.5m each for 2011 and 2012 it might be pretty tough to find any takers…”
That should be interesting, given that potential trade partners know they’re really trying to dump salary.
Trey
December 14th, 2010
6:23 pm
Enquiring Minds, I don’t know if they are ready to take over. I personally believe that we need another veteran to help match up against Lee, Halladay, and Oswalt. I am not going to try to suggest Greinke, as we know he isn’t coming to Atlanta, but I believe we need someone if we traded Lowe.
Jake W.
December 14th, 2010
6:23 pm
I can’t believe Cliff Lee didn’t have a press conference at an Arkansas boys and girls club to announce he was taking his talents to South Street. Does he not care about the kids?
MFin04
December 14th, 2010
6:24 pm
Someone mentioned the NL East being a great division. I’d think the opposite. The division actually seems a lot weaker and very top heavy. No Dunn and Strausburg for the Nats. No Uggla for the Marlins. The Mets are consistent with injuries and underachieving.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Braves and Phillies make the playoffs again though.
Trey
December 14th, 2010
6:25 pm
MFin, but Uggla is with the Braves, so he is not out of the division.
richbrave
December 14th, 2010
6:25 pm
LPad
December 14th, 2010
5:06 pm
richbrave – I see you ignored the DOB quote and all my questions as to why these other pitchers on the team are considered better than Beachy. Use some brain cells and come up with some answers.
Get a few of your own. Tell me where WREN said BEACHY was on the block.
Murph
December 14th, 2010
6:27 pm
keylargo, it makes sense, sure, for everyone except the Royals. They have specific needs and right now the Braves and Yankees can’t fill those needs.
Any players that would make the Royals forget about their needs, like Teheran and/or Delgado, are players we can’t part with, especially given the fact that the Phillies now have the best rotation in all of baseball. Would you really trade the 2 pieces that will tilt the balance of power back to the Braves later this season or next? For Greinke?
I wouldn’t.
richbrave
December 14th, 2010
6:27 pm
You know foot-pad, I’m through with you. You haven’t proved one of your points. Just rumors and guess-work. Too easy. Next.
keylargo
December 14th, 2010
6:29 pm
You better get all of the “underachieving mets” you want in 2011. With Sandy Alderson as GM those days are going away.
Tomas
December 14th, 2010
6:31 pm
If Braves had money 10 million lying around then I would trade for Greinke. He’d be a true ace, and give the Braves a rotation that may be even better than Philadelphia. And Greinke would fit well in ATL because ATL isn’t a big market team.
But unless there are teams dumb enough to take KK’s entire contract and Mclouth’s then theres no point on discussing Greinke. And Royals are not getting Teheran.
Zack Greinke
Tim Hudson
Tommy Hanson
Derek Lowe
Jair Jurrjens
Thats the best starting 5 in baseball no doubt, Phillies have the best starting 4.
NoBreggie4Dogs
December 14th, 2010
6:32 pm
Alderson and not Wright, Reyes and Beltran will save the mutts, I am choking on my wheaties right now
oh wait it is night time.. I am doing a Bon Scott right now (choking wise)
NoBreggie4Dogs
December 14th, 2010
6:34 pm
RIP Bon Scott
keylargo
December 14th, 2010
6:35 pm
Any players that would make the Royals forget about their needs, like Teheran and/or Delgado
Murph, I would agree with trading ONE of Teheran or Delgado. I’d keep the one the organization thought was the can’t miss prospect and send the other one plus Minor for Greinke. It would take another player or two but those two would be the core.
Paul Snyder
December 14th, 2010
6:36 pm
We’re certainly not trading Teheran…i’ll pretty much guarantee that…Right on Murph…our young pitching is going to be one of the keys to taking our rightful control of the division again in a few years when the Phillies are that much older and buried under all of these terrible contracts…
Murph
December 14th, 2010
6:37 pm
All of this talk of Greinke… has anyone ever looked at his stats?
Like Lee, he’s had one good season. One. One decent season too, but his 10-14 record with a 4.17 ERA last season should thrill nobody. Why do people talk about him like he’s the second coming of Halladay? He’s not a staff ace, or if he is, the standards of what makes a staff ace went way down recently and I didn’t get the memo.
Tommy Hanson is more of an “ace” than Greinke, and he’s arguably the Braves 3rd best starter.
Jake W.
December 14th, 2010
6:39 pm
I’ll gladly pass on Grienke and what it could cost to get him. Really don’t get the big fascination with the guy.
Tomas
December 14th, 2010
6:39 pm
I’d trade Delgado but not Teheran…….
Carroll Rogers
December 14th, 2010
6:41 pm
Some comments I got from Brian McCann on the Lee signing:
“Obviously it makes the Phillies a better ball club. But I don’t really worry about what other teams do. It’s something that you go into the season with the team that you have, and I think we have a team that’s a championship-caliber team and I’m excited to get the season started.”
“I’m extremely happy with the team we have, the guys we’ve acquired. We got a clubhouse full of guys who have a passion to play the game and I think you need that. You want guys that show up, and play with a ton of passion. And I think our clubhouse is full of those guys.”
(Asked about the Braves confidence in their own rotation) “We can compete with anybody, I feel like. Now that our lineup has gotten stronger and Jason Heyward is a year older and (Martin) Prado is going to come back healthy, I really feel that we have a championship-caliber team.”
“Baseball, you play 162 games, people get hurt. You have to keep everybody healthy and it’s a long stretch. Injuries play a big part in teams that make the playoffs and don’t. Nothing is going to be won over offseason acquisitions.”
(on if Lee’s decision surprised him like it did everybody else)
“I had no clue, I had zero clue that they were even in on it. I’ve heard from a couple guys that I knew he really liked playing in Philadelphia, listening to them talk when he was traded, it was definitely a place he liked to go, and he took less money to go there.”
“They got better, we got better.”
keylargo
December 14th, 2010
6:41 pm
Thomas – they’d have $10 M lying around if they traded Lowe to the Yankees. Greinke makes about $4 M, 7, 13 for the next 3 years.
nolie
December 14th, 2010
6:43 pm
Wow nolie. Of all the people throwing in the towel in December I never thought I’d see you. murph
that was pretty tongue in cheek murph. I do think the division is theirs to lose at this point, but they could lose it …and there is always the wildcard
Tomas
December 14th, 2010
6:43 pm
MFin04, Nats got stronger. Jayson Werth, and possibly Derek Lee and Brandon Webb.
Marlins got weaker but they’re still a strong team, and they made some addition themselves.
Braves got a lot better in my opinion.
Phillies obviously made the huge impact with Cliff Lee.
Seriously Mets might finish 5th, Nats are serious.
Tomas
December 14th, 2010
6:49 pm
keylargo, I’d be on board if the Yankees give a good package, and since their minor leagues suck because they draft last and don’t care if they sign type A FA’s, and trade every good prospect they have I wouldn’t want to trade Lowe. I get the sell high view of it, but unless they overpay I’m not interested.
I love Greinke, but he has issues, Lowe on the other hand is a proven winner, it be a huge gamble.
Murph
December 14th, 2010
6:52 pm
keylargo, what are they going to spend that money on? Who’s left that could make any kind of impact and that fills a need of the Braves?
So, basically you want to trade the pitcher that got us into the playoffs last year along with one of our top 2 pitching prospects for a guy that went 10-14 last season because… why? I’m not following.
Paul Snyder
December 14th, 2010
6:52 pm
keylargo – Greinke is only signed for 2 more years…at 13.5m each year…and yes if we could move Lowe to the Yankees maybe we could make it work…but that’s assuming the Yankees will take Lowe off our hands…and that still doesn’t solve the problem that we don’t have the young major league caliber or close to ready middle infielders that the Royals are looking for…and obviously we couldn’t get that from the Yankees in a Lowe trade…because if the Yankees had it they’d deal with the Royals directly…
Murph
December 14th, 2010
6:55 pm
And yes, I do realize Greinke’s record is partly due to playing on the Royals, but his 4.17 ERA is all him. Take Hanson, for example… 10-11 last season, but with an ERA under 3.40. That’s a good pitcher who didn’t get support.
Chopshop
December 14th, 2010
6:57 pm
A guess as to how the Braves Top 10 will look tomorrow on BA:
1. Julio Teheran (a certain lock)
2. Freddie Freeman
3. Mike Minor (I don’t think he has exceed the inning)
4. Randall Delgado (you could make a case for him and Minor being swapped)
5. Arodys Vizcaino ( injuries limited his season but made it without TJ)
6 Craig Kimbrel (close to the appearance max)
7. Carlos Perez (young lefty with high ceiling, also where the list gets debatable)
8. Brandon Beachy (great year but at best a #3 start)
9. Christian Bethancourt (had a year with some growing pains at Rome)
10. JJ Hoover
Other of note: Mycal Jones, Mike Lipka, David Hale, A. Simmons, Zeke Spruill, Adam Milligan
Who agrees and disagrees
nolie
December 14th, 2010
6:58 pm
The 2011 version of Chipper Jones isn’t even going to come close to the 2003 version of Vinny Castilla.
2003 Castilla: 22 HR, 76 RBI, .277/.310/.461/.771
2010 Chipper : 10 HR, 46 RBI, .265/.381/.426/.806 N8
bulloney. Jones’s OBP alone will make him more valuable than Vinnie was. might not hit the homers but will be as good or better at most everything else..
and how ’bout we compare him to the 2002 Vinnie??
shinburger
December 14th, 2010
6:59 pm
why would the yankees take lowe off our hands when they could just go get greinke themselves. unless they dont wanna give up their farm and lowes contract is pocket change to them. ok i kinda see i guess but i still think they would just look to get greinke themselves.
Tomas
December 14th, 2010
6:59 pm
I think Yankees learned their lesson with Javy Vazquez last year. The AL east, and Yankee stadium is a whole lot tougher than Turner field and the NL.
NoBreggie4Dogs
December 14th, 2010
7:02 pm
nolie = wow, what a mermory I saw that like 5 hrs ago
BTW I would go Teheran and Kimbrel as 1-2 prospects meeeeselffffffffff
Brave4life- We almost had it
December 14th, 2010
7:02 pm
I hate Cliff Lee right now
shinburger
December 14th, 2010
7:03 pm
Im not for trading any of our young pitching right now. We have a chance to have a excellent rotation for dirt cheap for the next several years if everything pans out. That would give us lots of money to spend on offense.
shinburger
December 14th, 2010
7:05 pm
I think Yankees learned their lesson with Javy Vazquez last year. The AL east, and Yankee stadium is a whole lot tougher than Turner field and the NL.
True but with the small dimensions of yankee stadium a groundball pitcher like lowe would be ideal to them.
Paul Snyder
December 14th, 2010
7:07 pm
Carroll – Great stuff from Mac! I love to hear his positive outlook…and he reiterates what a lot of people are forgetting…we added a big bat…and a lot of our lineup is on the rise…namely Heyward…who at any point is going to bust out and become one of the biggest game changers in the entire league…meanwhile the Phillies subtracted a big bat…and most of their core is aging and on the decline…Rollins and Utley have each declined 3 straight years…and have had more problems staying healthy with each passing year…
keylargo
December 14th, 2010
7:10 pm
Murph – I’m not backing this up with any stats but I would bet that a 4.17 era in the American League for the Royals is very close to the same thing as a 3.40 era in the National League for the Braves.
keylargo
December 14th, 2010
7:17 pm
why would the yankees take lowe off our hands when they could just go get greinke themselves
Because they don’t have any versions of Teheran, Delgado, Minor or Kimbrell to trade.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
December 14th, 2010
7:22 pm
meanwhile the Phillies subtracted a big bat…and most of their core is aging and on the decline…Rollins and Utley have each declined 3 straight years…and have had more problems staying healthy with each passing year…
There are really 2 sides to that… on the one hand youre right they have had their problems being on the DL and even the pitching staff has its back and arm problems witch could mean there could be some more stints on the DL in 2011.
on the other side of the coin is that the players could be very excited about playing and motovated to play much better than anyone could have expected. the phrase “jordan made players around him better” comes to my mind.
we can all talk about this on and on and on… or we can take the fact that the braves have one of the NL’s best catchers, the top rookie outfielder from 2010 coming back and likely will play better, another top rookie about to give 1st base a better look offencivly and defencivly. we got a clean up power bat worth 30hrs yearly to play 2nd base who is a lot younger than the players expected to give that to the 2010 team. and lets not forget the fact that the braves roatation was and likely will be still in the top few staffs in the majors. oh and a bullpen to match.
we can all be worried till the season starts or we can focus on our own players and believe in them! BTW most of the teams that go to or win the series these days are solid clubs who just focus on the task at hand while over achieving all the way through october!
lets all just shut up about the phills and believe in our braves!!!
I BELIEVE!!!
Tomas
December 14th, 2010
7:23 pm
nolie thats 2010 Jones
Tomas
December 14th, 2010
7:25 pm
Yankees are not getting Greinke because he doesn’t like the media and has anxiety issues, reasons why NY is not the place for Zack.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
December 14th, 2010
7:31 pm
Yankees are not getting Greinke because he doesn’t like the media and has anxiety issues, reasons why NY is not the place for Zack.
i dont believe any of that stuff so many times players say they wont or dont want to or cant go to new york… but 6 months to a year later they end up going… see also randy johnson and C.C.
zack greinke has already said he would be open to be flexable in his no trade list of teams as recently as a few weeks ago…
one thing is for sure anything can happen especially when players continue to grow!
Danga
December 14th, 2010
7:33 pm
but his 4.17 ERA is all him
Simply not true. The only team worse than the Royals last year in plus/minus was the Pirates. Put a bad defense behind a pitcher and his ERA will be worse. He did not pitch as well last season, but he is only one season removed from one of the best pitched seasons in baseball history. The man has elite level talent. He does everything Lowe does and does it better.
I’m not saying Greinke is the answer because we have pretty good pitching and some really great prospects in the pipeline, but the Braves would be foolish not to consider adding the man.
Danga
December 14th, 2010
7:33 pm
but his 4.17 ERA is all him
Simply not true. The only team worse than the Royals last year in plus/minus was the Pirates. Put a bad defense behind a pitcher and his ERA will be worse. He did not pitch as well last season, but he is only one season removed from one of the best pitched seasons in baseball history. The man has elite level talent. He does everything Lowe does and does it better.
I’m not saying Greinke is the answer because we have pretty good pitching and some really great prospects in the pipeline, but the Braves would be foolish not to consider adding the man.
Danga
December 14th, 2010
7:33 pm
Sorry folks. Not sure how that happened.
nolie
December 14th, 2010
7:34 pm
I bet the Orioles rotation of in the 70’s and the 60’s Dodgers rotations would have something to say about that too. LOL N8
even more likely the Cleveland rotation of the late 40s
Tomas
December 14th, 2010
7:35 pm
Eric In Albany N.Y., he has anxiety issues.
Greinke left spring training for personal reasons in late February 2006.[3] It was later revealed that he was suffering from social anxiety disorder and depression.[4] He reported back to the Royals’ spring training facility in Surprise, Arizona, on April 17, where he underwent ongoing pitching sessions. He was placed on the 60-day disabled list due to psychological issues and took time away from baseball entirely until returning on a rehab assignment with Wichita.
In 2007, he returned to the Royals rotation at the start of the season, but was sent to the bullpen in early May.
And thats in Kansas, can you imagine what would happen in New York. I think he is willing to find out but the Yanks aren’t.
MIBravesFan
December 14th, 2010
7:39 pm
Carroll – thanks for the quotes from BMac. I love his attitude, as always (“They got better, we got better”), and I knew he was smart (he had to be to step in and handle Smoltzie and the veteran pitchers the way he did from the start) but he reminded me of that when he said “Nothing is going to be won over offseason acquisitions.” Well said, Brian!
Jake W.
December 14th, 2010
7:40 pm
The Greinke situation is unique though and i’m not sure you can look at what he has done in Kansas City and assume that translates to success for a winning club. The mental part of the game is just as big as the physical. Part of what made Lee so sought after was his mental makeup along with his stuff. I think any team trading for Greinke and putting him in a pressure position that he has never been in before is taking a chance. I don’t want my team to take that chance.
Rob from SC
December 14th, 2010
7:45 pm
Who on here is a big baseball book reader?
Danga
December 14th, 2010
7:45 pm
Greinke may not have experienced the pressure of a playoff race, but he has handled the pressure of being labeled the best pitcher in baseball in 2009. That certainly didn’t come without headlines or SI covers. He has pitched well against the best teams in baseball. His anxiety and depression are medical issues that he seems to be dealing with successfully. Certainly wouldn’t label the guy a nutcase simply because he needed some time away from the game to get his health in order.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
December 14th, 2010
7:46 pm
Here is an examples of why i think the yankees dont mind if a player cant handle the media as long as they pitch well
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/reunited/6nwvhur
Tomas
December 14th, 2010
7:47 pm
Greinke would fit well in ATL but not NY.
Jeff R
December 14th, 2010
7:48 pm
I don’t think the Braves need Greinke. I think most are over-reacting to the Lee signing by the Phils.
Day in and day out, the Braves rotation is solid. Hanson, Hudson, and Lowe will deliver. Jurrjens needs to return to form and either Minor or Beachy need to shore up the back end of the rotation.
I’m betting Jurrjens comes back. We’ll see if Minor or Beachy are ready for the big time, but I’ll bet one or the other gives the Braves quality starts in 2011.
Jake W.
December 14th, 2010
7:51 pm
Danga
I don’t think anyone is labeling him a nutcase, its just something that needs to be considered. Its something that comes along with him like a tag the way Carlos Zambrano and his temper are always linked. I’m not sure one good year in a very low key city and in a sport where Cy Young candidates not located in the AL East are never going to be the lead in story. I mean, it was like people had to keep reminding the national media King Felix was in this thing because of where he played. Greinke was a nice story that season, but thats hardly the pressure that would fall on a guy if he went to New York or had to deal with the stress of a playoff run.
nolie
December 14th, 2010
7:52 pm
as a former counselor, I would be somewhat reluctant to pay Greinke 13.5 mil to pitch in Yankee Stadium.
It’s true that some anxiety disorder sufferers get a lot better, more don’t. and he does specify NY in his no trade clause which means that he is already worried about having to pitch there which is not the most auspicious sign
Tomas
December 14th, 2010
7:52 pm
Eric In Albany NY randy loved the spot light. He had won before in Seatle, Arizona, he didn’t clinical depression or whatever Greinke has.
Look at Khalil Greene for a comparable with Greinke