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Lollygagger
December 6th, 2010
7:38 pm
Brewers were looking for pitching- and they already got it today with trade with Toronto for Shaun Marcum. Trading Cain to Braves not very likely now considering that, I would think. Other than pitching, I can’t think of anything Braves would offer for Cain…
Andrew in PA
December 6th, 2010
7:42 pm
Lolllygagger the Brewers want more starting pitching not just Marcum. I’d imagine they talked Beachy now just recently they decided they want Minor,which Wren would back off .
Jbailz23
December 6th, 2010
7:45 pm
Why is everyone so quick to throw McLouth out and bring in Ellsbury? Nate had better numbers than Ellsbury last year and has almost the same numbers in 6 seasons as Ellsbury has in 4. McLouth is an all-star that had a bad year and everyone …wants to throw him out. Give the guy a shot this year and lets see if we get the McLouth of 08, if we do then we get a 20+ HR, 90+ RBI, 20+ SB CF and we have one of the best OF’s in the league. What other outfield compares to J-Hey, Prado and McLouth if he gets back to form. That’s 3 all-star OF starters. I think everyone’s biggest concern is if Prado’s going to be playing 3B more than LF when Chip is hurt, clearly by this blog and the rumors around the Braves universe it would look like Schafer and Young are going to duke it out for the fourth spot/Prado’s platoon when he’s at 3B. The talk about Cain coming over is intriguing though.
shmoe
December 6th, 2010
7:48 pm
crawford looking for 180mill over 8 years. crazy! this guy is good but not that good. stupid nationals.
Roman Gal
December 6th, 2010
7:50 pm
We’re all desperate for ANY sign that there might be an alternative of ANY kind. The Grinch
You bet your bum. Nothing bothered me more about McLouth last year was his inability to play aggressive defense.
BravesFanChris26
December 6th, 2010
7:52 pm
Putz gets guaranteed 10 Million in a two year deal with D-Backs. Per Jon Heyman’s Twitter.
Diaz could sign by Thursday and possibly an East Coast Team. Per Bowman’s Twitter.
Bat Masterson
December 6th, 2010
7:53 pm
Braves have a rookie playing first. Heyward is well overrated. Chipper comming back, we hope. and Left Field, and center are a question mark at best. _ ChrisfromSacramento,Ca
Is this nick all coked up?
BravesFanChris26
December 6th, 2010
7:54 pm
Yankees interested in keeping Kerry Wood. Also Andy Pettitte is leaning towards retirement.
BravesFanChris26
December 6th, 2010
7:55 pm
Pending physical Putz is a D-Back at a 2 Year 10 Mill deal with an option for 2013.
Lollygagger
December 6th, 2010
7:57 pm
Bat-
No, that’s just Nick doing what he does best. He’ll never be confused for the guy shoveling coal into the engine that drives the positive train. Negativity and cynicism abound.
David O'Brien
December 6th, 2010
8:01 pm
Just checking numbers, do you all realize Chipper has played as many as 135 games once in six seasons, and 110 or fewer games three times in that period?
ramblingman
December 6th, 2010
8:01 pm
“The Braves need a 1B, SS, CF, one RP, and a utility player before they can compete with the big boys”
That is just so wrong on so many levels.
“are you seriously gonna put Proctor in as part of the bullpen? The guy couldn’t get A ball hitters out much less major leaguers”
Say it with me now…injury. See? You can do it.
“Freeman – sucks, Gonzalez – sucks, McLouth – sucks”
Nick – trolls
Chris from Sac – umm, well…err…oh heck, never mind. It’s not worth it.
Rob from SC
December 6th, 2010
8:03 pm
Can we trade Nick?
Hoss10
December 6th, 2010
8:03 pm
I have a little prediction for this season regarding Schafer and McLouth and our CF situation. I believe McLouth will start as our CF and do relatively decent/well and Schafer will start a little slow at AAA and then take off. We will make a somewhat surprising trade around the All-Star break (like Escobar-Gonzalez this past break) and ship McLouth somewhere and eat a couple million of his contract and get a decent minor league piece or two in return. That will open the door for Schafer, who will take the job and won’t let it go! Braves in ‘11!!!!!
John in NC
December 6th, 2010
8:04 pm
How do we get Albie Lopez back?
Snotboogie
December 6th, 2010
8:04 pm
Today has to be a high-water mark for offseason stupidity/negativity/delusion in terms of comments. And Mitchell and .Don havent even shown up!
GTSteve
December 6th, 2010
8:05 pm
Good Luck Jordan, I am pulling for you
cabravesfan
December 6th, 2010
8:05 pm
Rob-
We tried, but nobody wanted him, not even the yankees…can’t imagine why
JasonInFL
December 6th, 2010
8:05 pm
DOB, unfortunately, yes
JasonInFL
December 6th, 2010
8:06 pm
But, only 69 days until pitchers and catchers report. Man, I can’t wait for ST this year!
SoWeGa Fanatic
December 6th, 2010
8:09 pm
“Freeman – sucks, Gonzalez – sucks, McLouth – sucks”
***************
Nick – sucks
GTSteve
December 6th, 2010
8:10 pm
I have it closer to 79 days J…but either way, I am also pumped…and also hope your math is better than mine
BravesFanChris26
December 6th, 2010
8:10 pm
Ken R breaks down Putz’s deal….
Putz breakdown with Diamondbacks: 2 yrs, 10M. 4M in 11, 4.5M in 12, 6.5M club option or 1.5M buyout. Max 15M over 3 yrs.
Bat Masterson
December 6th, 2010
8:11 pm
No, that’s just Nick doing what he does best. He’ll never be confused for the guy shoveling coal into the engine that drives the positive train. _
Lollygagger_
Seems a little wordy for nick, hence the ” coked up.” I like you play on “coke” too.
coke:
n.
The solid residue of impure carbon obtained from bituminous coal and other carbonaceous materials after removal of volatile material by destructive distillation. It is used as a fuel and in making steel.
JasonInFL
December 6th, 2010
8:11 pm
2/13 right? I think that’s 69 days…
In Fredi I Trust
December 6th, 2010
8:12 pm
How can one not root for Schafer to be completely healthy and try to win his starting job back? Now if Schafer plays lights out and our performs McLouth, does Nate still get the gig because of his price tag, or do the Braves swallow their pride and make Schafer the starter? I say do whatever helps the team more, and if that means sitting McLouth on the bench and watching Schafer start then so be it.
MIBravesFan
December 6th, 2010
8:13 pm
“David O’Brien
December 6th, 2010
8:01 pm
Just checking numbers, do you all realize Chipper has played as many as 135 games just once in six seasons, and played 110 or fewer games three times in that period?”
In other words, some insurance for LF in case Martin has to play significant time at 3rd or a utility IF who could do that and allow Martin to stay in LF would be nice.
GTSteve
December 6th, 2010
8:13 pm
I didn’t know the exact date…I thought it was early 20’s of Feb…..i wish it was tomorrow…can’t wait
JasonInFL
December 6th, 2010
8:14 pm
GT, you may be correct…I got the date from Fox I believe…looking at their offseason calendar.
Bat Masterson
December 6th, 2010
8:14 pm
Can we trade Nick?
I would trade nick for one 12 oz Fresca. Do they even still make that swill.
sidslidkid
December 6th, 2010
8:15 pm
DOB, I think most people on here are surprised to hear he has played that much. The dude is simply an amazing ball player when he’s healthy. Just think of how good his career would have been if could have spent just half as much time on the on the DL. And to make it worse it hasn’t been just one nagging injury. Very frustrating for the fans, the Braves and Chipper. But we still love Hoss and hopefully he can finish his career healthy and swinging the bat like we all know Larry Wayne can.
Choppinmama
December 6th, 2010
8:15 pm
Welcome to the world little Jake Diaz. Now, you and your family get ready to house hunt on the opposite coast in Seattle, and kiss the sunny south goodbye.
Brave4life- We almost had it
December 6th, 2010
8:16 pm
I wouldnt trade NIck
He is the is a very deceiving fan
Bat Masterson
December 6th, 2010
8:16 pm
MIBravesFan _
Hey, how are you? Are you snowed in for the winter yet?
GTSteve
December 6th, 2010
8:17 pm
I was going off memory J, so that would make you correct…either way..point being..I think we all have something to look forward to next summer…GO BRAVES
NORRIS
December 6th, 2010
8:18 pm
Chipper even if healthy is not going to play much. Prado will play a lot of time at 3rd. Therefore, leaving us with a very much needed outfield. Mclouth doesnt have it unless our new hitting coach changes his approach. The guy swings up on everything.
we will need a left fielder and center fielder. Hinske is not a daily player. He is a utility player.
The braves will need at least one more daily outfielder to compete.
Mather makes me think of the beaver not a starter. He isnt even good enough to make the team.
Bat Masterson
December 6th, 2010
8:19 pm
David O’Brien
December 6th, 2010
8:01 pm
Troublemaker
MIBravesFan
December 6th, 2010
8:19 pm
Hi, Bat! No, not yet. We had some slippery roads last week but happily, the grass is still visible! How are you?
Choppinmama
December 6th, 2010
8:19 pm
DAP – sad situation about that catcher – and with his equipment on. There’s such an infinitesimally small window of time that the ball has to hit the heart between heartbeats to stop it like that. Just such a tragedy.
Fredi's Fu Manchu
December 6th, 2010
8:21 pm
DOB – WE do realize Chipper is soft, doesn’t work hard and is grossly overpaid. But he can track a deer as well as any 3B in MLB.
BravesFanChris26
December 6th, 2010
8:22 pm
Phillies interested in Juan Rivera.
Bat Masterson
December 6th, 2010
8:23 pm
MIBF_
I’m well, enjoying this blog and some of the nut-ball comments. I’ve been reading some good books, you’ll laugh at this but I’m freezing.
rrosson3
December 6th, 2010
8:23 pm
DOB
Are you not a fan of Hoss? Why would u fuel the fire around here. Too many people are already calling for Hoss to retire! He will have great year! Mark my words!
Choppinmama
December 6th, 2010
8:24 pm
Hey all, ’tis the season. Everyone join in………….
On the first day of Christmas, my Braves team gave to me,
One Fredi coach guy,
And a partridge in a pecan tree.
Brave4life- We almost had it
December 6th, 2010
8:25 pm
So Francouer once our future “franchise player” goes to rival Mets and possibly the Phillies.
MIBravesFan
December 6th, 2010
8:26 pm
Bat – you’re just one of those people spoiled by living in a warm weather climate!
SoWeGa Fanatic
December 6th, 2010
8:27 pm
“The Phillies are also pursuing Jeff Francoeur and may have interest in Matt Diaz.” I would expect Frenchy to jump on the first offer at this point.
Efrim
December 6th, 2010
8:31 pm
Still not really ecstatic with Cain for any of our pitching. Just my two cents…
BravesFanChris26
December 6th, 2010
8:32 pm
Ozzie Guillen tweeted thanks/good luck to both JJ Puts on D-Backs and Linebrink on Braves
BravesFanChris26
December 6th, 2010
8:32 pm
And Ozzie’s nickname for Linebrink is Liner >_>
Bat Masterson
December 6th, 2010
8:36 pm
MIBF_
Thats true …….. Tonight: Mainly clear skies. Low near 30F. Winds NNW at 10 to 20 mph. ……
This is, ‘I’ll go out but it better be important’ weather. Much colder and the only way to get me out of the house is to set it on fire.
Do you like to read crime mysteries?
MIBravesFan
December 6th, 2010
8:36 pm
Sounds like Ozzie picked up Bobby’s gift for nicknames
dpelfrey
December 6th, 2010
8:38 pm
If McLouth ends up being the 4th outfielder, that shouldn’t be a big deal. It doesn’t matter that he’s making $7 million coming off the bench. What matters is that the Braves have the best 25 players out there for $90 million. Just average it out and pretend like they all make $3.5 million each and all that stuff goes away.
MIBravesFan
December 6th, 2010
8:41 pm
“Bat Masterson
December 6th, 2010
8:36 pm
MIBF_
Thats true …….. Tonight: Mainly clear skies. Low near 30F. Winds NNW at 10 to 20 mph. ……
This is, ‘I’ll go out but it better be important’ weather. Much colder and the only way to get me out of the house is to set it on fire.”
lol
I read a lot of Agatha Christie back in the day, and some P.D. James. I’m a fan of the Inspector Morse/Lewis mysteries on television but I don’t read as much as I should anymore. Are there some good mysteries around I should make an effort to read?
Couch Tater
December 6th, 2010
8:43 pm
nolie – Panel discussion with Bob Costas, Poz, Bill James & Gerald Early on the future of sports. I told you I was lookin’…
Added Posnanski: “If anything happens anywhere in sports (now) you are hammered with that very thing, 25 times, 50 times, before the next day. Everything that used to be extraordinary you could see it once and imagine it….Now, there is so much less room for imagination.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/when-bill-james-comes-to-town/
Bat Masterson
December 6th, 2010
8:53 pm
Are there some good mysteries around I should make an effort to read?
MIBF _
I love to read but had not been reading that much this year, till lately. I had picked up and put back ” The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo” a few times in the past couple of years. I was interested but did not get it for whatever reason. Lately there has been some chatter on the blog about how good the movie is so I picked up the trilogy the weekend before last and read them. Thoroughly enjoyed them and was sorry for the story to end.
SoWeGa Fanatic
December 6th, 2010
8:56 pm
Any of you readers have a Kindle? I’m thinking of getting me one for Christmas.
David O'Brien
December 6th, 2010
9:00 pm
rrosson3: that’s a silly question. I was merely pointing out a stat, since discussion turned today to Braves pursuing an outfielder in case they have to move Prado to 3B. Relax.
Bat Masterson
December 6th, 2010
9:03 pm
SoWeGa Fanatic _
I know some people that have them and like it. The books are cheaper and easy to read from what I understand. I don’t know for me though, I like the feel of a book. Where is the technology headed regarding the Ipad and such?
NORRIS
December 6th, 2010
9:05 pm
DOB that is a very important stat. Chipper, even if healthy will not play everyday. Prado will spend a lot of time at 3rd. therefore the need for a good outfielder who could play every day if necessary.
MIBravesFan
December 6th, 2010
9:07 pm
Bat – a reader (or a movie goer, for that matter) being sorry for the story to end is always a good sign. I’ll have to look into that.
DK
December 6th, 2010
9:09 pm
Bat,
I have just read the Stieg Larrson books which I enjoyed. I believe you have just read those and I know you were a fan of Lisbeth Salander. For a recommendation to you, I suggest you read some of Stuart Woods books if you have not read them.
Jesse
December 6th, 2010
9:10 pm
im excited about him !!!
SoWeGa Fanatic
December 6th, 2010
9:10 pm
I dunno, Bat. I can’t keep up. Readability of the Kindle is supposed to be far superior to anything out there…no glare, read in full sunshine, etc. 3G downloads now, too.
Hillbilly
December 6th, 2010
9:16 pm
Lorenzo Cain is Virgil’s Brother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMHyovwX7JM
Bat Masterson
December 6th, 2010
9:17 pm
DK_
Yes I enjoyed them very much and Lisbeth Salander is quite the character. Thanks for the recommendation, I’m writing him down.
Have you read ” The Redbreast” by Jo Nesbo, European crime mystery, pretty good. There is a sequel but I can’t think of the name of it off the top of my head.
Rob from SC
December 6th, 2010
9:20 pm
DOB
We didn’t have to give up Mike Minor for Dan Uggla, please tell me that we won’t give up Minor for an unproven CF in Lorenzo Cain
Efrim
December 6th, 2010
9:24 pm
We didn’t have to give up Mike Minor for Dan Uggla, please tell me that we won’t give up Minor for an unproven CF in Lorenzo Cain
Braves should not have to give up Mike Minor for Lorenzo Cain, imo. Wren should pass if the bounty is Minor.
Bat Masterson
December 6th, 2010
9:24 pm
SoWeGa Fanatic_
Yeah I know what you mean. the e readers are supposed to be very good, free downloads, hard to beat that. I just read something about their future, regarding Ipad like products but can’t recall what the consensus was.
P'cola Brave
December 6th, 2010
9:28 pm
At some point were going to have to move some of our young pitching. I don’t know enough about Cain to know if its worth Minor or not but we do have several pitchers up and coming (Minor, Beachy, Teheran, Delgado, Vizcaino) and one coming back from TJ next season (Medlen). We can only have 5 in a rotation. We lack depth in position players. Just something to think about.
Innocent Bystander
December 6th, 2010
9:28 pm
I’d say if Milwaukee wants Beachy/Schafer for Cain, FW should pull the trigger. I could maybe see Jurrjens for Cain +, but any more than Beachy/Schafer should be a no go.
DK
December 6th, 2010
9:30 pm
Thanks Bat,
I will check out…
MikeInFl
December 6th, 2010
9:30 pm
I think there is ZERO chance that we trade a first-round draft pick, left-handed starting pitcher who K’d 9.5 batters per nine innings in his first major league stint even though he had pitched more innings than in any year in his life for a slap-hitting CF who would be our 4th OF.
Now, while you’re diagramming that sentence, let me say that I think Cain would be a nice pickup at the right price.
But his ..763 OPS was propped up by a .370 BABIP, which is not likely sustainable. If that drops to a more likely .300 – .310, he’s probably OPS’ing around .700, with no power, and he doesn’t take a lot of walks, and he does strike out a lot. (so far… of course he’s still young).
I’m really not down on him, but he’s not worth Mike Minor.
MIBravesFan
December 6th, 2010
9:31 pm
“Efrim
December 6th, 2010
9:24 pm
‘We didn’t have to give up Mike Minor for Dan Uggla, please tell me that we won’t give up Minor for an unproven CF in Lorenzo Cain’
Braves should not have to give up Mike Minor for Lorenzo Cain, imo. Wren should pass if the bounty is Minor.”
I agree, Efrim. That’s too high a price for the return. Cain might be good insurance for the OF situation, but that isn’t worth the Braves’ only left-handed starter.
Goldenglove002
December 6th, 2010
9:31 pm
Brendan Ryan!
sidslidkid
December 6th, 2010
9:32 pm
Well said MikeInFl.
Soph
December 6th, 2010
9:32 pm
Way to go Hawks.
shinburger
December 6th, 2010
9:32 pm
We didn’t have to give up Mike Minor for Dan Uggla, please tell me that we won’t give up Minor for an unproven CF in Lorenzo Cain
I think wren would give up beachy long before minor cause he is the only left handed starter we have.
cabravesfan
December 6th, 2010
9:33 pm
SoWeGa Fanatic-
I’ve got the Barnes and Noble eReader, the Nook, which I love
shinburger
December 6th, 2010
9:33 pm
Beachy/shafer is too much for cain imo
Bat Masterson
December 6th, 2010
9:34 pm
We didn’t have to give up Mike Minor for Dan Uggla, please tell me that we won’t give up Minor for an unproven CF in Lorenzo Cain
Braves should not have to give up Mike Minor for Lorenzo Cain, imo. Wren should pass if the bounty is Minor.
First this : http://www.boomspeed.com/talaia/1pigflygif.gif
Then that
Bat Masterson
December 6th, 2010
9:35 pm
Hillbilly _
Always appreciate a link to The Band.
MikeInFl
December 6th, 2010
9:36 pm
Kawakami, $4.5 mil cash, and, oh, I dunno… Brett Oberholtzer for Lorenzo Cain.
shinburger
December 6th, 2010
9:40 pm
Kawakami, $4.5 mil cash, and, oh, I dunno… Brett Oberholtzer for Lorenzo Cain.
Only in wrens wildest dreams!
MikeInFl
December 6th, 2010
9:41 pm
Only in wrens wildest dreams!
Well, maybe, shinburger. But I’ll bet you that if Cain is traded, it’ll be for a LOT less than folks on here are tossing around.
westside shawty
December 6th, 2010
9:44 pm
Now i bet soon as Mclouth gets back to form, everyone will praise him. if he comes anywhere near his all-star ‘08 orm, hen this lineup will be pretty fun to watch, not to mention the all-star starter in right field(Heyward) and he was a rookie, imagine wats to come. and remember prado an all str starter along with chippe, uggla, mccann
nolie
December 6th, 2010
9:48 pm
I’d say if Milwaukee wants Beachy/Schafer for Cain, FW should pull the trigger. I could maybe see Jurrjens for Cain +, but any more than Beachy/Schafer should be a no go. IB
I gotta pass on this one
shinburger
December 6th, 2010
9:48 pm
One thing about mclouth is he can only get better cause he cant get any worse than he was last year.
P'cola Brave
December 6th, 2010
9:49 pm
Hell I’ll take Nate just getting back to his career norms. The hell with him getting to ‘08 form. If he hits .255 I’ll be ecstatic.
MikeInFl
December 6th, 2010
9:49 pm
At the higher levels (AA and AAA), Matt Young is every bit the hitter that Cain is. Cain’s relative success in 158 major league at bats is no more indicative of stardom than was Josh Anderson’s .764 OPS for us in 2008 (and Anderson went on to never OPS .600 again).
I really don’t mean to trash the guy, but folks talking about giving up Minor, Jurrjens, Schafer, etc for him is just misguided, IMO.
Bat Masterson
December 6th, 2010
9:51 pm
One thing about mclouth is he can only get better cause he cant get any worse than he was last year.
Don’t tempt the baseball gods like that.
Couch Tater
December 6th, 2010
9:52 pm
Bat Masterson, SoWeGa – FYI.
Amazon’s handling of e-book pricing—and publishers’ response—will have perhaps the most far-reaching effects on the industry. The situation thus far is not encouraging. To create a new market and generate demand for the Kindle, Amazon set the e-book’s price at $9.99. Publishers were not consulted
http://www.bostonreview.net/BR35.6/roychoudhuri.php
shinburger
December 6th, 2010
9:52 pm
Its fun to sit here and speculate, but i highly doubt we will trade for cain. Between shafer, young, and mclouth im sure one of them can step up and play good ball.
Trey
December 6th, 2010
9:53 pm
The Pirates are showing some interest in Kawakami.
Innocent Bystander
December 6th, 2010
9:55 pm
I guess I’m not as high on Beachy or Schafer as everyone else.
Trey
December 6th, 2010
9:56 pm
Innocent Bystander, I wasn’t too fond of Schafer, nor was I too fond of what I saw from Beachy so far.
shinburger
December 6th, 2010
9:56 pm
Your right Bat, but odds are he will improve. Sad to say Frenchy numbers would be a huge improvement.
BravesFanChris26
December 6th, 2010
9:59 pm
MLBTR is now reiterating that Braves are making progress on an Uggla extension
nolie
December 6th, 2010
9:59 pm
I’m not sold on Beachy by any means, but if you didn’t like what he did in Atlanta this season you’re a mighty tough audience.
Tampa Brave
December 6th, 2010
9:59 pm
I think McClouth has a solid year now that the offensive disease who is Terry Pendleton isn’t infecting the clubhouse any longer