No deals for Braves, but they’ve got possibilities cooking
ORLANDO – Left-handed reliever, right-handed outfielder, utility infielder and a new team for Kenshin Kawakami. Not necessarily in that order.
Those were remaining items on the Braves’ to-do list. Considering the way things were popping Monday on a busy opening day of baseball’s four-day winter meetings, the team might be able to check an item or two off this week.
On a day when retired Braves manager Bobby Cox — here in his team advisory role — and new manager Fredi Gonzalez both spent some time relaxing and schmoozing in the crowded meetings-hotel lobby, Braves general manager Frank Wren and his band of assistants, scouts, past and present managers and assorted other team officials also spent a lot of time feeling out other teams in the pursuit of potential trade partners.
Trading Kawakami is a priority, and the Braves have had discussions with a few interested major league teams including Pittsburgh and Milwaukee. The Braves might have to cover about $5 million of his $6.67 million salary in order to move Kawakami, but are motivated to trade him and will probably end up doing whatever it takes.
The Brewers would prefer one of Atlanta’s younger starters, such as left-hander Mike Minor, but the Braves seem as reluctant to trade promising starting pitchers as the Brewers are to part with center fielder Lorenzo Cain, a speedy prospect from Valdosta.
When a rumor spread of Braves interest in Cain Monday at the winter meetings, Brewers officials felt compelled to tell reporters that the team is open-minded about moving players, but comfortable with Cain as their center fielder.
That did little to quell speculation the Braves might pursue the matter further, as they seek outfield insurance in case center fielder Nate McLouth struggles or left fielder Martin Prado has to move to third base to fill in for injury-prone Chipper Jones. (The Braves would have to give up significant young talent to have any shot at getting Cain.)
Jones is coming back from the second major left-knee surgery of his career, and Braves general manager Frank Wren said Monday that Jones’ recovery is on schedule and that strength tests done on his knee last week were encouraging.
Jones has begun swinging a bat and aims to return for spring training, but the Braves must have a backup plan in case he has setbacks before or during the season.
Prado, an All-Star second baseman, is moving to left after the acquisition of slugging second baseman Dan Uggla. The Braves would move Prado to third if anything happens to Jones, who has played as many as 135 games only once in six seasons.
In-house outfield outfield options include Jordan Schafer, who finally seems healthy after missing parts of two seasons for a fractured hand, and Matt Young, tearing up the Mexican winter league after hitting .300 with a .380 on-base percentage at Triple-A.
Another possibility might be recently signed minor league free-agent outfielder Jose Constanca, 27, who hit .319 with a .373 on-base percentage and 34 stolen bases for the Indians’ Triple-A Columbus affiliate
Cain, 25, hit .306 in 43 games last season in his first major league stint, and .317 with a .402 OBP, three homers and 26 steals in 84 games at Double-A and Triple-A.
The Braves would like to add utility-infield depth, particularly a backup shortstop. And Wren said he would ideally like to add a third lefty reliever to go with Jonny Venters and Eric O’Flaherty, after recently trading Mike Dunn to Florida in the Uggla deal.
“I think our bullpen sets up pretty well right now,” Wren said, “but another left-handed reliever, especially in our division, never hurts. But that’s not [critical]. That’d be a nice-to-have type thing.
“We’d like to improve the bullpen a little bit, left-handed or right-handed. You get to spring training, regardless of how many guys you have, it always seems like you need more. So we’re going to try to continue to do that over the next month or so.”
– by David O’Brien, Braves blog
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284 comments Add your comment
eskippy
December 6th, 2010
8:40 pm
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bat0894
December 6th, 2010
8:40 pm
first
bat0894
December 6th, 2010
8:41 pm
so close
count_schemula
December 6th, 2010
8:50 pm
I would love to see Lorenzo Cain in CF.
German Shepherd Dawg
December 6th, 2010
8:50 pm
We just traded a lefty reliever to get Uggla. What happened to O’Flaherty?
Chris from the Rock
December 6th, 2010
8:52 pm
Sign Lastings Milledge!
David O'Brien
December 6th, 2010
8:57 pm
We just traded a lefty reliever to get Uggla. What happened to O’Flaherty? — German Shepherd Dawg
This is the third paragraph from the bottom of the very blog you’re responding to:
“The Braves would like to add utility-infield depth, particularly a backup shortstop. And Wren said he would ideally like to add a third lefty reliever to go with Jonny Venters and Eric O’Flaherty, after recently trading Mike Dunn to Florida in the Uggla deal.”
AdirondackDave
December 6th, 2010
8:57 pm
GSDawg — O’Flaherty is on the roster. FW is looking for a 3rd lefty for the bullpen. Can’t have too many lefties for the last 3-4 innings.
Booyah
December 6th, 2010
8:59 pm
Booyah says get a CF.
AdirondackDave
December 6th, 2010
9:02 pm
Cain would be nice but probably unnecessary until/unless McLouth, Schafer, and Young show they are not big league starters.
GT Alum
December 6th, 2010
9:09 pm
The Brewers can prefer all they want, but the Braves apparently don’t have any faith in KK to be a part of this rotation. It also depends on which younger pitchers they prefer. If they want Minor or Beachy or even JJ, they might be able to convince Wren to part with one of them with an attractive enough package. They’d have to bowl Wren over with a package to get Teheran, Delgado or Vizcaino. Hanson might be pretty much untouchable, considering we’re expecting him to have a very good year, and that level of production won’t be easy to replace. The Braves would basically have to count on JJ having another year like 2009 or one of our young pitchers coming up and being lights out.
TheBrave
December 6th, 2010
9:11 pm
What About Jacoby Ellsbury at CF? Massive Speed demon at top of the order… with Prado, Chipper, Uggla, McCann, Heyward, Gonzo, and Freeman… think of the possibilities. Major makeover of the lineup.
Goldenglove002
December 6th, 2010
9:17 pm
DOB, have there been any connections at all between the Braves and Cardinals regarding Brendan Ryan? Reportedly, he’s available. He would also make for a great utility player (SS, 2B, 3B, LF, CF) with very strong defense.
bkhall
December 6th, 2010
9:17 pm
Regardless of what we have in the system, Cain Is an upgrade. That would be HUGE.
JC Boscan III
December 6th, 2010
9:25 pm
Do you know if Gonzalez prefers a 12 or 11 man pitching rotation?
Zach
December 6th, 2010
9:28 pm
DOB, way to nail people for not reading carefully.
AdirondackDave
December 6th, 2010
9:29 pm
I’m amazed that Wren has improved the club substantially already without giving up an prime young talent. The fine tuning he’s up to now hopefully won’t cost us any quality young pitchers. They shouldn’t go for anything less than an immediate impact player.
Winter Meetings
December 6th, 2010
9:31 pm
Go get these guys:
Brendan Ryan – midlevel prospect
Jose Tabata – Beachy and Bethancourt
Ron Mahay – 1 year $1 million
dogman
December 6th, 2010
9:33 pm
I think the Nationals were stupid to give Jason Werth all that money. 18 million per year for a player who has had only one good year and never an allstar until this year. Now Carl Crawford will demand 20 million from the Yankees or Angels who are about the only teams that can afford him. These salaries to these players are absurd to say the least. Washington finished under 500 and paying him all that money will not turn that around, mark my word!
Mr. Melancholy
December 6th, 2010
9:33 pm
I know this is a dumb question, but how did Constanca get away from Cleveland with stats like those at AAA? Did they refuse to promote him to the major league team? Just wondering.
Zach
December 6th, 2010
9:41 pm
Dogman, the nats are starting to develop a dangerously good core. Zimmerman, Werth, Strathsburg, and Harper are all very good. I’m not saying they’re a playoff team, just saying that they’ve significantly improve these past few years.
M10
December 6th, 2010
9:49 pm
I think go for Cain we have seen enough of Mclouth and Jordan its time to move on.MAKE THE TRADE
cracked bats
December 6th, 2010
9:50 pm
We had Ron Mahay as part of the Big Tex trade — he sucked!!
JMAYNE
December 6th, 2010
9:52 pm
If a deal is made I am assuming it is NOT gonna be Cain. The Brew Crew is gonna want a fortune. CF options are Ellsbury (if the Sox get Crawford), Upton Bros. maybe. Bill Hall is a possiblitiy. But its more than likely gonna be someone off the radar. FW is a genius at doing business when nobody is paying attention.
wjones
December 6th, 2010
10:00 pm
“cracked bats
December 6th, 2010
9:50 pm
We had Ron Mahay as part of the Big Tex trade — he sucked!!”
No, he didn’t. Go back and check your records.
bruce mac
December 6th, 2010
10:15 pm
The Nats just insured themselves a future of mediocrity for a long time. Pitching is the only thing worth over paying for and a 7 year committment to Ty Cobb is dumb dumb dumb. Werth also has insured himself that he will get to play for a loser for the rest of his career. However he does have $126 Million so I guess he can live with it. DOB, thank you so much for the quality updates every few days. It is awesome, I can almost smell the freshly cut bermuda.
Joey M
December 6th, 2010
10:17 pm
I would like to see us trade Jair Jurrjens and Arodys Vizciano for Zach Greinke. A package like that should be able to get that trade done. Maybe throwing in a third player that is a third tier player. Having Greinke in a Braves uni would give us memories of Maddux. A dude that can win every night he throws.
Andrew in PA
December 6th, 2010
10:22 pm
DOB, how much trade value do you think Arody’s Vizciano has? Would he land Cain?
Bas Tid
December 6th, 2010
10:23 pm
Yeah, they’re on the verge of signing Cliff Lee. Deluded clodhoppers.
Andrew in PA
December 6th, 2010
10:24 pm
Yeah our outfield depth is pretty bad. That should be Wren’s next move.
MattyRoss
December 6th, 2010
10:28 pm
Mahay definitely did not suck. His stint with the Braves made him one of the more sought-after lefty relievers the following offseason. Got a good deal from the Royals if memory serves.
David O'Brien
December 6th, 2010
10:29 pm
DOB, how much trade value do you think Arody’s Vizciano has? Would he land Cain? — Andrew in PA
Andrew in PA: This would probably be be a real bad time to trade Arodys (there’s no apostrophe) Vizcaino. He’s coming back from elbow injury, needs to prove healthy before regaining his full trade value.
NORRIS
December 6th, 2010
10:29 pm
phillies are in on lee now. If they get him their staff will be arguably the best in the majors.
The Braves would have to do something to combat that. I agree Greinke would be a big help in that rotation and I would part with JJ to do it.
Ugapip
December 6th, 2010
10:31 pm
Cracked bats…Yes, Mahay was part of the deal but like wjones stated earlier, he was very good. I say we go after him as the 3rd lefty for the pen.
BigBrave
December 6th, 2010
10:38 pm
Please get some speed in CF!! Gone are the days of Nixon, Sanders and Gant.
dawgforlife
December 6th, 2010
10:39 pm
I personally would rather trade JJ than Minor or Beachy. There is way too much upside with those guys. JJ, when he is on is lights out; but, there are way too many games when he is not on…and his not on games are pretty bad.
Andrew in PA
December 6th, 2010
10:42 pm
Really you would rather have Beachy over JJ?
roopcas
December 6th, 2010
10:44 pm
DOB love your work… Thanks for the info… What do you think the possibilities are for us to take a chance on a Grady Sizemore? He seems like we could get him at a good value after the last two years. I know it is crazy but every once and a while you have to take a flyer.
GT Alum
December 6th, 2010
10:45 pm
Norris, if the Phillies got Lee, I don’t know that it’d be arguable. Lee, Halladay, Oswalt and Hamels would be as good as any rotation the Braves had in the 90s. My understanding was that the Phillies didn’t have a whole lot of payroll flexibility, though, and Lee’s going to demand $20M+/year.
roopcas
December 6th, 2010
10:46 pm
Any Word on Matty? I sure will miss him… Great for the clubhouse.
rainman34
December 6th, 2010
10:51 pm
just watched wren on mlb network. He said they will be looking for lefty for bullpen and right handed hitting outfielder. Cain would be a nice fit i would love to see heyward have a chance to play some center to see if he can play there. That would open up a ton of possibilities.
Look Alive
December 6th, 2010
10:53 pm
Why do we need another outfielder with no power? Did I read wrong or did Cain have only 3 homers last year? Don’t give up any of our young pitchers for another McLouth. If you are looking for a speedy outfielder then sign our former rightfielder wonder child. He would be more productive than a 3 homer man. Don’t give uo the future for someone that doesn’t hit for power in the minors. Anyway, didn’t he slay his brother? Look alive.
jmc0027
December 6th, 2010
10:58 pm
JJ might be a better trade over Minor or Beachy because he is a Boras client… just looking down the road
look again
December 6th, 2010
10:58 pm
Our step- child is having a hard time getting a everyday job..all the teams want him in utility or as 4th OF.
Justafan
December 6th, 2010
11:00 pm
I’d take Cain 50 to 1 over Frenchy.
don
December 6th, 2010
11:04 pm
Let’s not let history continue to repeat itself. The Braves’s management got swindled out of a boatload of young talent in the Drew and Teixeira trades. One would think that playing the fool would get old after a while. Surely Wren isn’t stupid enough to unload a bunch of talent for an unproven outfielder whose main attribute is that he is from Valdosta. Having siad that, I am reminded that Wren has proven to be rather stupid on more than one occasion (We can add Kawakami and that fiasco and the trade for Ankiel and Farnsworth to Wren’s ever-increasing list of “greatest screwups”,).
don
December 6th, 2010
11:07 pm
Yes sir. All the Braves need is to bring back Mayday. Such a move should guarantee that Wren would be declared incompetent and institutionalized. That couldn’t hurt.
rayk
December 6th, 2010
11:12 pm
I slo think Milledge is a possible help in the OF. he’s not what he was projected to be as a former #1 pick, but he’s decent. he’s right handed, has some power and likely isn’t too expensive. as a free agent, he won’t cost players so the risk is limited..
Leon
December 6th, 2010
11:17 pm
I WANT Zach Greike Whatever It Takes! Anybody agrees with me?
David O'Brien
December 6th, 2010
11:17 pm
I slo think Milledge is a possible help in the OF. he’s not what he was projected to be as a former #1 pick, but he’s decent. he’s right handed, has some power and likely isn’t too expensive. — rayk
Milledge has slugging percentages of .373 and .380 in the past two seasons, with 8 home runs, 55 RBI and 41 walks in 677 plate appearances over that two-year span. That’s just bad.
Among the 75 major league outfielders who had at least 400 plate appearances in 2010, he was last in runs scored (38), had the third-fewest RBI (28), fourth-fewest walks (28), and ranked 64th in slugging.
Same ole Braves
December 6th, 2010
11:19 pm
Uggla will help, but how much.
With an over the hill Chipper, an inconsistent McCann, an unproven Freeman and Heyward and no viable CF, I say same ole Cheap Liberty Media Braves. Uggla for one year didn’t bust the payroll. The CEO of LM got a $80,000,000 bonus!!!
No Diaz and no Wagner.. Where did that money go? Cheap basserds…
Bring back Ted or let Mr. Blank buy the team.
If I was a season ticket holder, I would decline. See all this empty seat during the playoff run?
Same crap, different day.
If I was a season ticket holder I would decline!
GT Alum
December 6th, 2010
11:24 pm
Can one of the Mahay detractors please explain why he was such a disaster? He posted a 2.25 ERA, gave up 1 HR, 1 blown save. His K/BB ratio wasn’t great, but he had a very good ERA+. I remember wishing the Braves could’ve re-signed him, but not at the price KC paid. Or is it just anything that’s connected with the Tex trade has to have been a travesty for the Braves?
GT Alum
December 6th, 2010
11:30 pm
Same ole Braves -
How little do you pay attention to what’s going on with the Braves? You blame the Braves for not bringing back Wagner? In case you haven’t heard, Wags isn’t pitching for anyone next season – he’s retiring. Everything I’ve heard was that the Braves did everything they could to try to talk him into pitching again this season. If you’re going to complain about the team the Braves are building, at least educate yourself as to what players are available and which ones aren’t and what they would cost.
shmoe
December 6th, 2010
11:41 pm
DOB,
How cool would it be to just insert apostrophes haphazardly in people’s names or online aliases?
For me, it could be s’hmoe
MitchC
December 6th, 2010
11:46 pm
How different this year is than last year. Last year, we signed a likely HOF bound closer who had an absolutely lights out season for us. This year, I know we needed a bat, so our likely closer will be between second year relievers Johnny Venters and Craig Kimbrel.
We definitely improved ourselves by getting Uggla. If everyone stays mostly healthy, the wild card should be ours.
Is anyone else uncomfortable going into 2011 without a bit more experience in the likely closer candidates? Will Venters and Kimbrel be enough, or is FW going to surprise us, and sign a closer at the last minute?
faux positive
December 6th, 2010
11:52 pm
It would be good to have an experienced pitcher like Mahay back. He was a very good relief pitcher with the Braves. He’s experienced is familiar with the braves way. Maybe that’s not so good.
Ryan Klesko Dude
December 7th, 2010
12:02 am
@Same ole Braves…
Do you think just because we traded for Uggla that we don’t have to pay his salary for the 2011 season?? Wags retired saving us $7-8 Mil and we didn’t tender Diaz saving us about $2.5 Mil = roughly the $10 Mil that Uggla’s gonna get this year. That’s where that money’s going.
Yes, Chipper’s getting older, but he’s a gamer. He’ll come back and have a good year, not the chipper of ‘99 obviously, but a good year nonetheless. Heyward’s young and gushing with potential, there’s no reason to think he isn’t going to get better next year.
I don’t know how on Earth you can even begein to bash McCann. Check his numbers: 4 Silver Slugger awards, 5 consecutive All-Star games and an All-Star game MVP under his belt and he’s not even 27 years old yet. Who else would you rather have???
I’ll give you the CF & Freeman arguements for now.. but that’s only until Spring Training. IF you were a season ticket holder I’d think you know a little more about what your Braves have been up to.. but that’s just it, you’re NOT – so shut pie-hole!
shmoe
December 7th, 2010
12:03 am
good dexter season by the way
Why not
December 7th, 2010
12:16 am
If Brewers are offering Ryan Braun for a pitcher, just saying. Why not trade JJ plus one or two for Braun. He is signed for 5 years at 40.5 million. There’s your OF power.
Now you pro’s give me the 5th.
John
December 7th, 2010
12:24 am
DOB, it sounds like we picked up a great group of minor league free agents……..or am I wrong?? I just dont get how Cleveland let Constanca go and Matt Young seems to have alot of promise as well.
I feel like we dont need Cain at all. There is NO reason to give up any of our pitchers because we dont know how Beachy or Minor will play next season. I also feel like we are stuck with McClouth with Schafer and Young as good alternatives.
J-Man
December 7th, 2010
12:25 am
maybe we should go after Authur Rhodes? since were wanting experience to back up our young closer.
John
December 7th, 2010
12:27 am
And Same Ole Braves sounds like a whiny uneducated bitch to me
shmoe
December 7th, 2010
12:36 am
get Braun and play Prado where exactly
David O'Brien
December 7th, 2010
12:39 am
DOB, it sounds like we picked up a great group of minor league free agents……..or am I wrong?? — John
I had the same thought when I was writing that article about them. Normally that offseason announcement from the Braves has a bunch of guys that are really mediocre, old, guys whose career stats offer little to suggest they have any shot at doing anything to help a big-league team. But there were several guys on the list this year that made you stop and think they might legitimately be able to succeed if given a shot in the majors, guys with speed and/or high OBP and average, or some power without being entirely one-dimensional, etc.
John
December 7th, 2010
12:52 am
I had the exact same thought. You usually post up some article about a bunch of 30 year olds who have bounced around and could fill roster spots in AA and AAA but I see two potential outfields with similar stats to Cains minor league stats. Now I know stats can be misleading but I feel like our pitching depth should not be wasted on unproven players when we already signed a couple of those.
Same ole Braves
December 7th, 2010
12:53 am
The discussion was about Wagners $6M salary that was saved by his retirement. Where will the money be spent.
Uggla is a one year deal for now. McCann is McCann. He is a barely above average defensive catcher who is a very good hitting catcher. I am a fan but not a big fan of McCann. I think that Ross catching everyday would, overall, be only a slight difference. McCann is a 5 or 6 hitter, not 3 or 4.
I just don’t see how this team is much better than last right now.
If the Yankees can spend $200M and the RS $150M, why are the Braves stuck at $85M? Are the Braves truly a small market team? I say sign Crawford to a 7 years $125M deal and bring back Derek Lee at $7M 2 year. The lineup would be:
Crawford
Heyward
Prado
Uggla
Lee
Jones
McCann
SS
Pitch
That is a NLCS/WS lineup and a $105M payroll. Why is that not possible?
I was a Braves fan before most of you were born. Since the day they arrived in Atlanta. I attended my first game in 1967. Was a season ticket holder for 5 years.
I like Uggla and Prado and the rest are average ML players right now. The offense last year was weak, especially down during the playoff run.
Liberty Media sux.
John
December 7th, 2010
1:03 am
Sounds like you want a bunch of flash and little substance to me. Last I checked the big payroll teams didnt will the world series this year. You want pay Lee that much….whos coming off of surgery and is how old?? Thats a big gamble.
And you think Crawford will take a 7 year $125 million deal? Werth just got paid and Crawford KNOWS hes better….so hes going to want to be paid more than that. Which is also a big risk.
Why put so much money on just a couple players? That just handicaps the teams financial flexibility.
shmoe
December 7th, 2010
1:07 am
mccann is an average mlb offensive catcher?
wow. think again, please.
Same ole Braves
December 7th, 2010
1:12 am
I can tell you the reason the Rays are not worried about Upton and Crawford that much. Look at their minor league teams.. Loaded…
Other than Freeman, what do the Braves have.. Jordon Shaefer?
I am not talking pitching but everyday players. I have watched the Braves get their arses handed to them after winning 15 division titles, 6 years ago, in all but one year, by superior offensive teams with good pitching.
Unless something changes, I will tune out again, just as I did during the Francour years.
$110,000,000.
Phillie fans demanded a better team and got it. Atlanta fans, just as always, are left holding their …….
Lance
December 7th, 2010
1:19 am
DOB, I read at link below that a couple of teams have approached the Pirates about Andrew McCutchen. Could the Braves be one of them? That would be a dream pick up.
http://twitter.com/GordonEdes/status/11872957722796033
BravesFan
December 7th, 2010
5:54 am
Chris from the Rock………………Go back under your rock. Lastings Milledge is nothing but a distraction for ANY team.
bring back blauser
December 7th, 2010
6:12 am
if the braves could pick up braun from milwaukee prado could play the role that infante played. he would still be an everyday player he can play all infield positions and all outfield positions. if it takes jj and another upper tier prospect to get that done, i say do it. if prado can get regular playing time i do not see him complaining. he seems like a gamer to me.
Jesse Stone
December 7th, 2010
6:29 am
LASTINGS MILLEDGE??? Surely you jest. Besides being an average-below average major league player, they guy is questionable at best above the shoulders.
Papadawg
December 7th, 2010
6:54 am
I sure wish we could begin a season without all the question marks about third base which leads to who’s going to play third WHEN Chipper gets hurt
OB
December 7th, 2010
7:55 am
How is Medlen coming along, might he be back towards the end of the season?
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
8:06 am
“I am reminded that Wren has proven to be rather stupid on more than one occasion”
“Yes sir. All the Braves need is to bring back Mayday. Such a move should guarantee that Wren would be declared incompetent and institutionalized.”
I suppose every move you’ve ever made (and every trade you’ve suggested) has worked out wonderfully…
“I slo think Milledge is a possible help in the OF. he’s not what he was projected to be as a former #1 pick, but he’s decent. he’s right handed, has some power and likely isn’t too expensive. as a free agent, he won’t cost players so the risk is limited..”
He’s a basket case. No thanks.
“I WANT Zach Greike Whatever It Takes! Anybody agrees with me?”
No. ‘Whatever it takes’ can be a dangerous phrase.
“No Diaz and no Wagner.. Where did that money go?”
Raises for other players (and Uggla’s salary)
“Is anyone else uncomfortable going into 2011 without a bit more experience in the likely closer candidates?”
I am quite fine with Venters or Kimbrel as closer/setup.
“The discussion was about Wagners $6M salary that was saved by his retirement. Where will the money be spent.”
And that was answered.
“He is a barely above average defensive catcher who is a very good hitting catcher”
McCann is hands down one of the best young catchers around today. Any team would love to have him. He has handled pitchers like a seasoned vet from day one. He is the one of the best hitting catchers today (and on his way to being one of the best ever). He is a team leader. What exactly is it you want from a catcher? Speed like Otis Nixon, power like Pujols, 100% rate gunning down runners? How about if he can paint your house while rebuilding your 1949 Ford?
“If the Yankees can spend $200M and the RS $150M, why are the Braves stuck at $85M?”
Apples, oranges. Some teams are spending less than $50M, so why are you not proposing cutting the Braves budget? It is what it is. BTW, Neither NY or Bos were in the WS this year. SF had a payroll of $88M and Tex had $76M.
“I was a Braves fan before most of you were born. Since the day they arrived in Atlanta. I attended my first game in 1967”
Me too. I sat on my porch and listened to Milo Hamilton and Ernie Johnson almost every day.
“I like Uggla and Prado and the rest are average ML players right now”
McCann is way above average. The pitching staff is above average as a unit. The pen was outstanding last year and looks to be comparable. There are some young, gifted players on this team and the farm system is stocked.
yogi2
December 7th, 2010
8:10 am
Jose Constanca and Matt Young can and do hit Triple A (Columbus or Gwinnett) pitching very well. Jordan Schafer can”t. The braves need to leave Schafer in the minors until he proves he can hit. Spring training
is not a real gauge to determine a real hitter. Alot of young minor league players do well in ST but are not ready. Schafers did well at Rome a few years ago. Send back to Rome and let him start over.
toby
December 7th, 2010
8:21 am
We know there’s no way we can keep all of our pitching anyway,so when you have such a surplus,why not do the deal,i like the idea of getting a young speedy CF like Cain,we havent had any speed in a long time,and to have some one capable of stealing say25-45 bases would be ideal,,,,i say do it as long as Miluakee doesnt ask for the moon in a trade!
braveshoo
December 7th, 2010
8:24 am
The only outfielders I would pursue is Brett Gardner from the Yankees or Andrew McCutchen from the Pirates if either is available. They are both young and proven; hit for high average and steal bases; help us defensively up the middle in CF; and can be an important part of our team for years. The only pitchers I would concider trading are JJ or Beachy, not both. If we trade with the Yankees, we can hopefully include McClouth in the deal and free up payroll. I dont know much about Cain, but he doesnt sound much better than Schaffer or Jones, so I think I would stand pat if that is the best we can do.
Bartman n Orl
December 7th, 2010
8:26 am
ramblingman: You sure you aren’t me? Wow! I need to say nothing. You covered it. And here’s a first for me. I have never thanked a blogger before but thanks. I also listened to Milo and Ernie back in the day. Still wish I could listen to him. He was one of my favorite voices. Skip and Pete as well.
I think we get carried on some of the goofy stuff people put in here. I try to remember that even what are seemingly, the dumbest comments can get us thinking in different directions and about different possibilities and then, who knows…well some of them anyway… later.
toby
December 7th, 2010
8:29 am
One other thing you have to consider is this,i would not be crazy about trading JJ,but we all know who his agent is(Boras) so the chances of us getting him signed long term are not good,so if Mialuakee could intice you with Cain & something else,you may have to seriously consider it!!!! Just sayin.
justin1
December 7th, 2010
8:42 am
DOB-
Dont you think its more important to get Greinke than another outfielder?
Sure we could use some speed and a little extra offense, but we all know pitching is what wins games. I mean were talking about a 2009 Cy Young Award winner here!!
Nut Job
December 7th, 2010
8:45 am
Shafer is going to be a stud when its all said and done. We got to see a glimpse of how good he is in the first series vs. Phili in ‘09. A lot of you guys what have never swung a bat don’t understand how crucial your hands are to hitting a baseball being thrown over 90mph with movement. If your hands are hurt, you can’t hit. Just look at Gary Sheffield a while back when he was with the Braves. He had wrist problems and it really hurt his average and power. Now that Shafer is healthy, bye bye McClouth, your time in the ATL is finished, thank God for that.
K with a K
December 7th, 2010
8:57 am
On the minor league free agents topic above. I think the kid we got from KC, Lucas could be a good replacement for Omar he can play all over the field. If we could land Grienke that would be EPIC! Maybe trade them JJ, Delgado, Beachy and another low level prospect.
Uknowme
December 7th, 2010
8:59 am
Most of these posts seem to have the same line of thinking. That thinking is to trade whoever we have for some other players who are no better. I don’t see any sense in doing that. Money, or lack of it, is not Mr. Wrens fault. If he had the money available to the gm of the Yankees or Red Sox he could get whomever he wants, but he does not have that kind of money to work with so he can’t.
Two players are all we need. Give him a chance to find two that we can afford.
BRAVOS FOR LIFE
December 7th, 2010
9:00 am
Nut Job,
Gary Sheffield had an AWESOME 2003 season and very good 2002 season.
Bama Brave
December 7th, 2010
9:02 am
Grienke is not going to the braves. We need outfielders not pitchers.
JS Superstar!
December 7th, 2010
9:02 am
“Shafer is going to be a stud when its all said and done.”
Based on what? A decent spring and one road series in the big leagues 2 years ago? His performance after his injury in his first home series of 2009 was terrible! Since then, he’s struggled with injury and performance in the minors.
I hope JS will be a stud one day, but many of you guys here on the blog are taking a situation where the guy probably has maybe only a 25% shot of ever developing into a decent big leaguer, and passing it off as a no brainer that he’s going to be a “stud!”
That’s some uber optimistic crystal ball you guys have!
Carroll
December 7th, 2010
9:04 am
wish the braves could dump gonzalez and go after bartlet from tampa. have lived in tpa now for a few years and watched this guy and he is fantastic and affordable.
stew
December 7th, 2010
9:20 am
So much depends on Hoss. Should we get a centerfielder or leftfielder or both? If Hoss is OK, with Prado in left get a centerfielder (Cain or McCutchen). Hoss hurt get Braun or Upton (Justin). Really if we get Braun or Upton it doesn’t matter who’s in center.
Tyler
December 7th, 2010
9:27 am
Tell me this…who plays LF if Prado fills in at 3B. What if McClouth is hitting sub .200.
We need to get another Major League proven 4th outfielder. Ty Wigginton would have been a decent fit. He could play all corners.
We still need Left Handed (pref. Vet) Reliever, and a Super Utility or another OF and middle infield positional player.
Why not sign Andruw to a $1 mil contract w/ incentive for plate appearances. That’s a win-win. Right handed power that COULD play CF (not ideal) if needed. He lives in Duluth and is still running with current Braves. Would be a good pickup. With Andruw and Hinske…you’re good.
Mayhay is the ideal pickup for the Reliever.
I’m guessing Wren will let Conrad and Diory fill the void, but would be nice to pick up someone proven. We all saw how much Conrad is a liability out there. Love the guy, but he can’t play everyday. Reason why he was a career minor leaguer.
I’d say Bill Hall, but no way we can afford him. Would probably be ideal to pick up another IF glove via trade.
K with a K
December 7th, 2010
9:36 am
Bama Brave are you saying the Braves have no interest in Grienke? Yes I agree we need a outfielder but to think the Braves would have no interest in bringing in Grienke is a little strong. If the reports are true and The Phils are in on Cliff Lee do you think their fans are saying we already have Doc and Hamels and Oswalt you need to worry about finding a replacement for Werth!
Dan
December 7th, 2010
9:41 am
Here are the 2 trades!!!!
Jair Jurrjens, Jordon Shaefer and Prado for Colby Rasmus
Mclouth, Mike Minor, Christian Bethancourt for Jacoby Elsbury
Outfield with Rasmus LF, Elsbury CF and Heyward in RF !!!!
Jesse Stone
December 7th, 2010
9:44 am
Nut Job
December 7th, 2010
8:45 am
Shafer is going to be a stud when its all said and done. We got to see a glimpse of how good he is in the first series vs. Phili in ‘09
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2007 was Shafer’s career. Nothing before or since. Brady Anderson anyone?
Jesse Stone
December 7th, 2010
9:44 am
I’m afraid any trade for Rasmus has to include Kimbrel.
Bill D
December 7th, 2010
9:46 am
Just what is Bill Hall’s agent asking for him? I’ve said it before, he would solve alot of problems for 6 positions.
collegeballfan
December 7th, 2010
9:47 am
The Braves have an owner. The Braves baseball management must work with the budget given them by the owner. Same as every other club. Would it be nice to have a $150 million budget for salaries? Sure. But they do not.
So a smart GM works with what he has to work with on a daily basis.
We will find out in the next couple of months how much money the Braves have to spend. Today we do not know.
Personally I would not trade any minor league pitchers, period. 2011 is important but so is 2013 and 2014.
Justafan
December 7th, 2010
9:50 am
Dan ..Braves fans would hang you if you traded Prado.
Bama Brave
December 7th, 2010
9:51 am
Im saying that we dont need any pitching. We he enough. Our outfield is pretty iffy Besides heyward. Moving Prado to the outfield is a mistake.
Justafan
December 7th, 2010
9:53 am
Elsbury (sp) is coming off two years of injuries…thats alot for a question mark.
patrocket
December 7th, 2010
9:55 am
Dave, did they ever figure out what O’Flaherty’s health problems are? I’m sorry if you’ve already posted and I missed it.
rocky
December 7th, 2010
9:55 am
Lorenzo Cain…….I’d rather have Colby Rasmus or BJ Upton
Justafan
December 7th, 2010
9:57 am
I would take either one rocky..but Cain would be cheaper.
Dan
December 7th, 2010
10:00 am
Sometimes Justafan you got to do what you got to do. I mean you have to give to get. Sometimes I see people on the internet mentioning trades where the Braves steal everybody from other teams and we dont give up anything? I say if we can dump some salary in the process and pick up some young potential stars which should improve are oveall defense and if Chipper cant come back we will worry about that later but basically we would have a young team with still young arms in the minors and maybe fill the 3rd base void later but with that lineup we would just have a void of youth at short and third
E-6
December 7th, 2010
10:03 am
Of all the options above, the best and most realistic might be Brenden Ryan from the Cards – outstanding defensive infielder, some speed, not much of a bat but could be a late inning caddy for Chipper or Uggla and plays a heck of a shortstop in case our guy there decides he doesn’t want to hustle again this year.
meh
December 7th, 2010
10:04 am
I think Wren should go after the Hairston brothers. Scott can play all over the outfield and Jerry can play all over the infield.
jim
December 7th, 2010
10:04 am
I had the same question as Mr Sadman a while back. I f Seinfeld’s buddy put up such good numbers in AAA, why would a team with so many needs like Cleveland let him go for nothing?
Is Young still tearing up the Mexican Winter League? I know he did well in the AFL a couple of years ago when Hanson and Flowers were getting all the notice, and has put up decent numbers in each of his minor league stints. He seems like a nice 4th outfielder possibility who might be better than any of the collection of 4th outfieldrs we had playing alongside Heyward last season.
Justafan
December 7th, 2010
10:15 am
DOB, What kind of family illness did Bobby Cox have? keep us informed…….
AJ
December 7th, 2010
10:20 am
that is bout stupid Dan….just plain stupid. thank god you aren’t the GM.
AJ
December 7th, 2010
10:21 am
Praod AND JJ for Rasmus???? What the hell are you smoking dude? Give me some…
BRAVOS FOR LIFE
December 7th, 2010
10:23 am
There are so many stupid people on this blog. Some of you know NOTHING about baseball.
Justafan
December 7th, 2010
10:25 am
sometimes its best not to reply…….
Tyler
December 7th, 2010
10:28 am
What is wrong with Barbaro Canizares down in Gwinnett? Guy has torn up the minors every year. Is he like Soriano and can’t hit curveball?
Joey M
December 7th, 2010
10:28 am
The average IQ on this chat has gone down since last night. Any trade involving Prado is out Period. We have viable options at every position. Hinske can spell at first and left. If Chipper is hurt, Hinske will move to LF and Prado will be at 3rd. A Lefty out of the pen will happen, but a bunch of idiots on here will whine and gripe because we didn’t sign the most expensive option. The same idiots will also complain because we didn’t sign Pujols, Cliff Lee, Derek Jeter, Josh Hamilton, and Joey Votto. I hope to God Frank Wren doesn’t read these threads for advice.
The only trade I would make would be JJ and Vizcaino for Greinke. Outside of that, just make some signings to solidify our role player pool. We are essentially done. Deal with it.
We Need This
December 7th, 2010
10:32 am
Not saying I don’t like what we are doing by saving as much money as possible but if we are spending $15 mil for Derek Lowe,why not go out and spend $20 mill on Crawford?!?!88 mill in salary can build a solid team which I think the Bravos have done nicely,especially during the 15 straight Division titles,but only 1 world series has got to be disappointing to Bobby and Chip..True enough the Top Tier in salary teams(Yanks,R Sox,Cubs) didn’t hoist the WS trophy but $100 mill teams are the only ones who are doing so as of lately..
But, if we are going to stay as cheap as possible why not trade Dlowe, Vizcaino, and a third tier prospect for Grienke if he willing to come and trade KK and J Schafer for Lorenzo Cain of the Brewers or Andrew McCuthchen of the Pirates maybe even talk to the Red Sox about Jacoby Elsbury..All three are fast with great defensive skills, base stealing threats and can hit for AVG as well I mean thats all you need from a lead off right, and Why not include Prince Fielder along with Cain and the Braves add JJ or Mike Dunn, Sign Tony Gwynn, and Andy Laroche and have a line up as followed:
CF:McCutchen,Elsbury,Cain(any of the 3,no order)
RF:Heyward
LF/3B:Prado
2B:Uggla
1B:Fielder
C:McCann
SS:Gonzalez
3B:Jones
P:Hudson,Grienke,Hanson,JJ or Dunn,5th SP
Very strong pitching staff with Hudson leading it, A fast, base stealing lead off playing CF hitting for AVG (McCutchen is a great bunt single guy),excellent power hitters in Uggle and Fielder with McCann in 6 all within Maybe 100-110 Mill at the most
fsugolf8166
December 7th, 2010
10:35 am
We Need This
Please tell me what the Giant payroll was this year
BRAVOS FOR LIFE
December 7th, 2010
10:37 am
We Need this,
lol do you really think the Brewers will give up Cain and Fielder for KK, JS, JJ? lol WOW
Daniel
December 7th, 2010
10:38 am
We Need this: that post makes almost no sense. How is it that we just get Prince Fielder? Beware of Grienke good numbers on a bad team during meaningless games, not the same as a proven post season down the stretch winner like Lowe.
DOB: When do we start posting our album of the year lists? I think I am pretty much finished.
BRAVOS FOR LIFE
December 7th, 2010
10:41 am
How about we offer the Cardinals JJ , KK and McOut for Pujols
lol thats how dumb some of you sound, I wouldnt be shocked if someone here actually thinks the Cardinals might do it.
fsugolf8166
December 7th, 2010
10:42 am
We Need This
That has to be the d**m stupidest trades I have ever herd. Do you think that and of them teams would ever consider doing that they would laugh in FW face. You need to find something better to do with your time because you have no clue about baseball. Bye the way that was the funniest thing I have ever read I hope DOB reads it.
fsugolf8166
December 7th, 2010
10:44 am
BRAVOS FOR LIFE
I bet “we need this” has sounds like one of his stupid ideas. Why not trade Mclouth to the Rangers for Hamilton why where at it
David O'Brien
December 7th, 2010
10:44 am
Not saying I don’t like what we are doing by saving as much money as possible but if we are spending $15 mil for Derek Lowe,why not go out and spend $20 mill on Crawford?! — We Need This
Can we safely assume you don’t run a business?
We Need This
December 7th, 2010
10:44 am
Giant pay roll was around about 98 mill(2 mill of 100) according to ESPN, and yeah i know Fielder isnt going to be handed out but that could be a base of the trade, Lowe is getting old and we have to make it to the post season too even account for his post season efforts, like i say if you are going to spend 15 mill why not have a 20 game winner..just saying
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
10:47 am
I think at the end of the day, we’re going to find out CHARACTER does matter where the Braves off season pursuits are headed. Oh, and money. Character and Money…..it’s the new Braves criteria!
BRAVOS FOR LIFE
December 7th, 2010
10:48 am
For us to get Fielder,
We would have to give up JJ, Freeman, and possibly 2 prospects. I wouldnt mind that trade if the Braves sign him to an extension. Otherwise, another Tex fiasco.
fsugolf8166
December 7th, 2010
10:48 am
We Need This
So the Giants payroll was 98 million and they won the WS not 100 million and i dont care if it was just 2 million. Please write stuff that makes sense and wake up from your dream
BRAVOS FOR LIFE
December 7th, 2010
10:50 am
Heck I read a blog on Facebook that the Brewers might want Minor or JJ for Cain.
Imagine what they will want for Fielder.
fsugolf8166
December 7th, 2010
10:51 am
We Need This
Also if I remember right I think that Dunn in your starting rotation of your dream lineup is now a Marlin
Bama Brave
December 7th, 2010
10:53 am
Some people on here needs to wake up! Where not getting fielder,grienke, baberuth,lol.
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
10:53 am
The Braves are 2 years away from being wheeler-dealers in the off season (Chipper and Lowe will be off the books) Hopefully, if Diaz doesn’t sign we can re-sign him cheap.
We Need This
December 7th, 2010
10:54 am
FSUgolf
that happens to be more money than what the Braves are spending..IDK maybe with about $90 million they can win all..The rangers made it all the way to the WS with a $55Mill payroll even though Cliff Lee had alot of say so in that..
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
10:55 am
Hopefully, if Diaz doesn’t sign we can re-sign him cheap.
Meant to say If Diaz doesn’t sign elsewhere, we can re-sign him cheap.
fsugolf8166
December 7th, 2010
10:57 am
Bama Brave
Do you think Aaron will sign for a home town discount. Cant believe it upsets me no Ruth and I was hopeing for him
fsugolf8166
December 7th, 2010
11:00 am
We Need This
Exactly you dont need every high priced player them teams are balanced that is what the Braves are doing
Bama Brave
December 7th, 2010
11:00 am
Darn I forgot Aaron he could play left and platoon chipper and prado? what do you think?
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
11:01 am
I’m sorry folks but Prince Fielder’s “body type” will start to hamper his ability to play everyday. He’s tailor made to DH in the AL. 162 games is a meat grinder.
ryan c
December 7th, 2010
11:02 am
“Heck I read a blog on Facebook that the Brewers might want Minor or JJ for Cain.
Imagine what they will want for Fielder.”
and why would one think that is unreasonable? jair is coming off injury and is about to start getting expensive. minor is the most major league ready starting pitching prospect we have but lorenzo cain is the most major league ready center fielder they have.
minor for cain would be a win for the brewers.
jurrjens for cain…just depends.
i dont think the trade scenarios are that lop-sided.
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
11:04 am
If we get Ruth……I want the BBQ concession at the stadium
Bama Brave
December 7th, 2010
11:08 am
But we need a Legit lead off hitter right? I got him. His name is…….Ricky Henderson…huh. I think we could get him for A three year 20 mil. LOL
jim
December 7th, 2010
11:14 am
We ned this!
Others have appropriately addressed a number of the glaring nonsensibilities of your proposed trades. Why do you think the Pirates would be willing to trade McCutcheon for any reasonable package, let alone for KK and Schafer? Do you really think that L Cain and McCutcheon are equivalent talents that can be had for the same package even if it were a sensible package for getting Cain?
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
11:16 am
The “BIG IF” this year will be Nate McClouth. If he plays everyday like he did at the end of last year, I think we’ll be OK. Jordan Schafer sounds promising, but we’ve all been down that road. When does Spring Training start?
Tami
December 7th, 2010
11:19 am
I think maybe the Braves should keep their intentions more quiet this offseason. Whenever they’ve made any mention whatsoever (i.e., Furcal, et al) last offseason, it backfired big time on them. These teams are playing some sort of less-than-ethical inny-minny-miney-mo game on them, and Braves management falls for it every time. They need to play it coy, quiet and smart. They don’t need another public relations nightmare on their hands.
Tami
December 7th, 2010
11:20 am
P.S. Besides, IF Schafer is half the player that Braves’ scouts say he is, then we pretty much already have our OF, sans McLouth who should play a bench role PERIOD.
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
11:22 am
Tami, I think at the end of the day last year, the only party with “egg on their face” was Furcal. Personally, I think Braves management does a good job of keeping their cards close to their chest.
We Need This
December 7th, 2010
11:24 am
Yeah Jim I do realize different players are on different levels, but not that big of a difference to where you have to throw your entire farm system and more, but i do like what we have now its just we are investing alot of hope on players that could fail…Prado, Heyward, McCann, and Uggla are going to be great this year and we have a solid and set rotation but the team can be upgraded
John
December 7th, 2010
11:25 am
Well for those who wanted to sign Wigginton, he is now off the market. Colorado picked him up. 2 years at 8 million. Not a bad pickup.
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
11:27 am
Schafer is “Trade Bait”!
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
11:30 am
Our outfield only has one right handed batter on the current roster (Mather) Anyone think that will change before spring?
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
11:33 am
OOPS…..forgot about Prado
Papadawg
December 7th, 2010
11:38 am
Some you folks are just ignorant. Wren made some pretty good moves to get the Braves back to the the playoffs and that’s a good start now we can add another piece or two to make us a little stronger. I agree not all his moves worked out but show me someone who’s 100%.
Coach13
December 7th, 2010
11:39 am
If your going to have to give up prospects to get someone why not go get Ellsubry (provided they can sign him for the next 4 or 5 years)? He hits for a high avg. and can steal 50 bases in a year. The value he would bring to this team cannot be measured. You are talking about giving up “prospects” which means they will “possibly” someday make a major league roster and be productive. Ellsbury and Upton are already proven majore league producers.
bravos fan
December 7th, 2010
11:41 am
i think we can all agree that we need this should no longer be allowed to post on here. the team that is on paper right now is probably going to be the team that we see on opening day. frank wren will wait and see how the team does before he makes ANY crazy changes. this will include mclouth’s production, chipper’s health, freeman’s maturity and ability to make adjustments, our closer situation, and our starting pitcher’s health. If everything goes as planned i wouldn’t be shocked to see some pitching prospects traded to make upgrades during the season but not before then.
Coach13
December 7th, 2010
11:42 am
There is no sense in planning on Chipper. Even if he is “healthy” he isn’t going to be that productive. Trading proven major league talent for a prospect who “might” be helpful down the road is a no brainer. Besides, if there is one thing the Braves always have it’s a plethora of pitching. No sense in having all that pitching if we can’t score runs.
Having someone that can get on base and put pressure on the D is invaluable. This is more important than having 4 or 5 pitching prospects who might one day become productive.
john
December 7th, 2010
11:43 am
WTF!!??!!. What is it that Frank Wren and Liberty don’t understand about the need for legitimate outfielders ??!! and maybe some reliable power at first base!!?! The Braves may be”set”, but unfortunateley the are set to lose.
bobbymahlon
December 7th, 2010
11:45 am
The top side for Schafer is a lot higher than that of Mclouth one has a great arm and the later has no arm. Let Matt Young battle it out with the two of them for the CF slot. Anybody thinking about trading or benching Prado is a enemy of mine because he is my favorite Braves player. I also think if we can get something for JJ get it now before Boros gets involed with his contract next year.
David O'Brien
December 7th, 2010
11:46 am
DOB-
Dont you think its more important to get Greinke than another outfielder? — justin1
No, I do not. Braves have plenty of starting-pitching depth, and at least one or two of the top young prospects coming up in the system figures to become a top-of-rotation standout.
Not worth paying the huge price of young talent that Kansas City is asking for Greinke, who is undeniably a huge talent, but has had one great season in his entire career. Bottom line, one great season he’s had. And there is obviously a bit of baggage with the anxiety issues, too, even if he seems to be past them.
We Need This
December 7th, 2010
11:55 am
Good point coach, we got plenty and always have had plenty of pitching in the farm system, so why not trade some of it for better position players..Look back at how many 1 run games we lost last year..including the 1-0 nothing loss’s, and Bravo fan you just made my point by saying McClouths production, Chippers health, and Freeman’s Maturity, Its to much to hope that everything is going to be fine..
Fred DiMaio
December 7th, 2010
12:04 pm
Instead of Cain, lets get Cleveland OF Michael Brantley. I know the young man, and he would be good addition. He has speed, good arm and was hitting leadoff most of last year.
Justafan
December 7th, 2010
12:05 pm
Don’t trade anyone, just sign Bill Hall. He would be the Insurances where needed. plus power!
Then trade for lefty relief for pen. amen.
Justafan
December 7th, 2010
12:07 pm
MLB has retired mgrs on ..now
Booby's Blunders
December 7th, 2010
12:11 pm
What do you mean that they need additional outfield help –”In case McLouth struggles”??????????? What else has he ever done since being a Brave?
We Need This
December 7th, 2010
12:11 pm
Yeah i say go and get Bill Hall as well, nice fit for that Utility role Infante held..I like Brantley but Cain was more obtainable since the Brewers said so themselves..
Wes
December 7th, 2010
12:18 pm
Mahay was actually very good here in Atlanta.
Fred DiMaio
December 7th, 2010
12:20 pm
I’m just thinking free tix for all of Michaels close friends who reside in GA !! His dad could be “consulting hitting coach”
okiebravo
December 7th, 2010
12:22 pm
DOB-
Maybe you could give a quick economics class to these people that think you can just spend money that’s not there. Maybe they need a pie graph or something visual. They are probably the one’s that bought houses twice as high as they can afford and are probably sitting on $20K worth of credit card debt, since it is free money.
Dennis
December 7th, 2010
12:24 pm
For my daily laugh I log on to this blog. Why not go out and trade for Pujols? Or maybe see if we can get Texiera back? Stupid is as stupid does. Look…most times you have to give to get and the fact is it makes no sense to trade the future for this one year or to deal from weakness. When you have little payroll flexibility you have to get creative and Wren has done an admirable job in doing just that. Uggla was a fantastic move and Linebrink will be a help. The Braves, like any team, will roll the dice with a rookie, Freeman, and see what happens. It worked well with the kid last year and probably will this year as well. Lots of talent on this team and certainly enough to get to the WS. I have confidence in Wren to do the right thing. By all means though, please keep up the inane chatter. I need by daily laugh.
Sarah Palin
December 7th, 2010
12:28 pm
How come this blog isn’t all about me?
Sarah Palin
December 7th, 2010
12:28 pm
I need more attention.
Buckeye Brave
December 7th, 2010
12:29 pm
Braves Fans, does everyone realize how close the Braves are to having another long run! We’re debating about backup bench players. Yes cf is a problem, but there a some viable options like Jordan Schafer and Matt Young. More importantly We have very good to great pitching, all stars in Prado, McCann, Uggla and Heyward, an aging superstar in Chipper and the top prospect in AAA as your starting 1st baseman. Sounds like a WS contender to me. If they trade for Braun that would be an interesting addition, you gain another young big bat signed long term.Prado would become a utility player, who you try to get in the lineup as much as possible. If and when Chipper retires, Prado moves to third. Even though it will cost some pitching,hopefully not one of your top 2. Then all you’ll need to replace is SS and CF in the next year or two along with promoting Delgado and Tehran when Lowe and Hudson leave. Sounds to me like a heck of a future for us Braves fans with a team age under 30.
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
12:31 pm
“ramblingman: You sure you aren’t me? Wow! I need to say nothing. You covered it. And here’s a first for me. I have never thanked a blogger before but thanks. I also listened to Milo and Ernie back in the day. Still wish I could listen to him. He was one of my favorite voices. Skip and Pete as well.”
You’re welcome. No, I am not you, or that would have been just weird. Here’s another coincidence – I grew up just outside Tampa (except for the time I spent in Atlanta with my dad). I loved listening to Ernie, Skip, Pete. We were lucky to have some of the best announcers in the history of MLB. Makes those today look pale in comparison.
“One other thing you have to consider is this,i would not be crazy about trading JJ,but we all know who his agent is(Boras)”
That is one of the major reasons I have said if we are going to trade a pitcher, my choice would be JJ. We’ll get a good return (less now that he has been hurt, but still good), he will be missed less than others, and of course the Boras factor.
“Grienke is not going to the braves. We need outfielders not pitchers”
But, if the opportunity presents itself, would you say no? It’s worth at least a consideration, plus they could then turn JJ into a good outfielder.
“wish the braves could dump gonzalez and go after bartlet from tampa. have lived in tpa now for a few years and watched this guy and he is fantastic and affordable.”
Here’s a thought that is very under the radar, a perfect Wren situation. I too have been watching Bartlett. He’s getting more expensive, but he can be a very good player. The hardest part would be for Wren to find someone to take Gonzo and have TB ready to trade us Bartlett at the same time. If we trade Gonzo, the price for Bartlett will go up. If we trade for Bartlett first, the return for Gonzo drops. It’d be an interesting pickup, though.
“Tell me this…who plays LF if Prado fills in at 3B. What if McClouth is hitting sub .200. We need to get another Major League proven 4th outfielder”
A. LF and CF would be manned by Schafer/McLouth/Young/Hinske
B. CF would be manned by Schafer/Young
C. Allow me to introduce Eric Hinske
Seriously, I think the thinking right now is that between Schafer, Young and McLouth, at least one, and hopefully two of them will show up for ST and take the reins. If they do, our problems are solved with our farm intact.
“Jair Jurrjens, Jordon Shaefer and Prado for Colby Rasmus”
Call the police! We’ve been robbed!
“Mclouth, Mike Minor, Christian Bethancourt for Jacoby Elsbury”
That one I could actually be okay with…but would prefer to drop Bethancourt or replace him with a lesser prospect.
That Guy
December 7th, 2010
12:33 pm
I can’t believe some people are calling for us to trade for Prince. Does anyone remember the bitter moments after he got pegged last year? The Braves have prided themselves on having a classy organization with an awesome clubhouse attitude. Do you think Fielder has forgotten about that incident? He would not fit in the clubhouse at all and the way players get along with each other has a lot to do with how well the team plays on the field, for example Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent, I’m just saying. We don’t need to make a big trade for a pitcher that is ridiculous. Lowe is gone after this year and Hudson is getting up there in age. Management has done a great job at setting up the future with our pitching staff. If we can get a CF cheaper than depleting our pitching future than I say go for it. But I would also say it to be wise to give it a year or two to see what we actually have in our young talents, Freeman and our young pitchers, and then try to make a move. We have a good projected lineup and really just need to focus on depth but if something falls in our lap of course pull the trigger. I think Frank Wren has an idea of what he is doing. I mean that’s just assuming he got the job because he knows what he’s doing and not because he dresses well.
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
12:38 pm
You guys are forgetting about the Joe Mather acquisition.
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
12:41 pm
That Guy…….there’s no way the Braves would sign Fielder. Nor should they.
hAL
December 7th, 2010
12:44 pm
the guy above talking about the inconsistence of jjhad all his fact right just the wrong name it sounded dead on for the future of the franchise hanson in 09 jj was nothing if not every day steady eddie. hanson on the other hand had a good one, sucked the bag fair last year lol
That Guy
December 7th, 2010
12:45 pm
I agree ppaddy123
yogi2
December 7th, 2010
12:47 pm
Schafer is not trade bait, maybe buzzard bait. he should be taken off the 40-man roster. he’s a joke
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
12:48 pm
“But, if we are going to stay as cheap as possible why not trade Dlowe, Vizcaino, and a third tier prospect for Grienke if he willing to come and trade KK and J Schafer for Lorenzo Cain of the Brewers or Andrew McCuthchen of the Pirates maybe even talk to the Red Sox about Jacoby Elsbury..All three are fast with great defensive skills, base stealing threats and can hit for AVG as well I mean thats all you need from a lead off right, and Why not include Prince Fielder along with Cain and the Braves add JJ or Mike Dunn, Sign Tony Gwynn, and Andy Laroche and have a line up as followed:”
Thank you! He’ll be here all week! Don’t forget to tip your waitress. Good Night from the Improv!
“WTF!!??!!. What is it that Frank Wren and Liberty don’t understand about the need for legitimate outfielders ??!! and maybe some reliable power at first base!!?! The Braves may be”set”, but unfortunateley the are set to lose.”
Breathe. Put down the medication. Step away from the sharp objects.
“What do you mean that they need additional outfield help –”In case McLouth struggles”??????????? What else has he ever done since being a Brave?”
Blunder, you were three question marks shy of getting me to believe you.
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
12:51 pm
“the guy above talking about the inconsistence of jjhad all his fact right just the wrong name it sounded dead on for the future of the franchise hanson in 09 jj was nothing if not every day steady eddie. hanson on the other hand had a good one, sucked the bag fair last year lol”
Sorry, it’s not worth trying to read that three times to decipher its meaning
fsugolf8166
December 7th, 2010
12:53 pm
Bama Brave
I just thinking to let him play 162 games. In a Jones and Prado platoon the best person would be Mays
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
12:56 pm
yogi2 ……..put yourself in the Braves’ front office position. They have a veteran in McClouth set to make almost $8MM this season and there’s no way to move him. Schafer, on the other hand, started out gangbusters before getting injured. He bats left handed and we have a surplus of left handed batting outfielders. He’s the logical choice for the Braves to promote (see DOB’s recent article) in an effort to trade.
yogi2
December 7th, 2010
1:01 pm
The Braves have a couple of border-line backup infielders that are not all that good. Maybe they should use the rule-5 draft to upgrade to someone with more upside potential than we have career backup minor league players are not he answer
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
1:03 pm
For those of you who were saying we should go after Wigginton, and are now bemoaning the fact we lost out, consider that he signed for 2 years @ $8M, and we got Hinske for 1 year @ $1.45M.
Bama Brave
December 7th, 2010
1:08 pm
Hey platoon Aaron and mays lol
ABraveFan2
December 7th, 2010
1:09 pm
Let’s not sound the alarms on CF just yet. Every team has a need or two going into spring training. I’d like to see how Mclouth and Schafer do in the spring. Chances are that one of them will bounce back to be at least adequate in CF. Matt Young is a good OF backup especially for the late innings. All three of them played really well down the stretch at Gwinnett. We also have Hinske in the mix as a utility between the OF and 1B.
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
1:11 pm
“The Braves have a couple of border-line backup infielders that are not all that good. Maybe they should use the rule-5 draft to upgrade to someone with more upside potential than we have career backup minor league players are not he answer”
What do they do with McLouth (there’s only one ‘c’, folks)?
Who would they get that is any better or has any more potential than Schafer and Young?
A rule 5 draftee would most likely not be an upgrade but a lateral move at best.
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
1:13 pm
ABraveFan2 gets today’s “common sense” award. Too bad the chicken little posters will drown out ABF2.
ryan c
December 7th, 2010
1:15 pm
I think the point about acquiring another outfielder doesnt revolve around the center fielders, but rather the left fielder having to move to 3b because the 3b will have to sit at least 1/3 of the season.
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
1:22 pm
ryan c……..good point
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
1:40 pm
If Prado has to play 3rd will a platoon of Hinske and Mather work in LF?
dumb dumb dumb
December 7th, 2010
1:44 pm
There seems to be alot of Braves fans who do not have a grip on reality.
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
1:45 pm
dumb dumb dumb………it’s HOT STOVE, man………chill
Coach13
December 7th, 2010
1:51 pm
K with a K- the BRaves will have no interest in Greinke and the PHils wil not bring back Lee.
David O'Brien
December 7th, 2010
1:53 pm
Orioles are talking to Braves about Kawakami.
Justafan
December 7th, 2010
1:54 pm
Thank God!
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
1:56 pm
It’s good that the O’s are, because it looks like the Pirates may be out now that they are signing Correia. I’d hate for them to eat too much of his salary, especially if he rights himself and has a good year. But I think a change of scenery is needed.
ryan c
December 7th, 2010
1:56 pm
regarding joe mather: joe, much like our jordan schafer, has never been quite the same since his wrist injury. he assured the braves that the wrist is finally completely healthy, but he hasnt proved anything in quite some time. if he turns out to be as productive as his pre-injury days of raking in the minors (81 hrs .340obp, 500slg, , .840ops in 4 years, which was only actually 3 years), then we’re rolling, but there is serious chance that joe is a bust.
ryan c
December 7th, 2010
1:58 pm
dob tweeted that the braves will trade brandon beachy in the right deal.
KK
December 7th, 2010
2:00 pm
I not want to be Oreo.
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
2:00 pm
It’s a shame KK didn’t pan out in Atlanta. I always got the feeling he wasn’t comfortable as a Brave. Maybe a fresh start elsewhere will revive his career.
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
2:01 pm
KK
December 7th, 2010
2:00 pm
I not want to be Oreo.
Hilarious!
fsugolf8166
December 7th, 2010
2:02 pm
DOB
Adam Jones is that possible
Justafan
December 7th, 2010
2:05 pm
GOMEZ CAN REALLY CHANGE A BALL GAME, WHEN ON BASE HE CAN MOTOR! vERY EXCITING PLAYER . excuse the caps. DOB said, Brewers wish to move Gomez not Cain?
Dumbo
December 7th, 2010
2:05 pm
Lord, please get the Braves a 3rd baseman; I can’t go through another season of Chumper at 3rd.
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
2:11 pm
go away, dumbo
Kerry
December 7th, 2010
2:11 pm
Hey DOB
Do you know what the return policy is in MLB? Can we return McClouth back to the Pirates for McCutchen? And tell them we thought we were getting the other Mc? Just kidding!! On on serious note , Andruw Jones would be really affordable and could at the worst case be a right handed stick off the bench… I believe he can put up some descent numbers and could play a good CF since he has seen his Fat Albert days behind him.. And he still is only 33 yrs old…Will you ask Fren Wren for me tell him Kerry wanted to know.. Thanks!!
Dumbo
December 7th, 2010
2:12 pm
ramblingman…I knew I’d find a Chumper, er I mean, Slumper fan in here.
Bedell
December 7th, 2010
2:13 pm
KK and 5 mil for ______________ from the Orioles? A low level minor leaguer?
Bedell
December 7th, 2010
2:14 pm
Hope Wren works out a deal with the Os.
Justafan
December 7th, 2010
2:18 pm
right on Bedell
fsugolf8166
December 7th, 2010
2:18 pm
Dumbo
If you think you A** could do any better get out there and try if not dont watch them because he will be at 3rd. Another d*** stupid comment
south georgia braves
December 7th, 2010
2:19 pm
I read in a MLB rumor blog that the Orioles are after Bartlett at TB. How about this deal….AGon to Baltimore, Reimold to the Rays and Bartlett to the Braves.
Gonzo would be better suit back in the AL East.
south georgia braves
December 7th, 2010
2:21 pm
I meant to say Gonzo and a KK package to Baltimore.
Dumbo
December 7th, 2010
2:23 pm
fsugolf8166…nah, I’ll be in my seat 4 rows behind dugout, ready to snag another errant throw to 1st…but it is time the Star Lovers accept the fact that Chippers best days are way behind him, sad but true.
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
2:28 pm
Dumbo, you are right about Chipper’s best days being behind him. But, just as the Yankees have done with Jeter, the Braves have to play him (and his $14 MM contract) if he’s healthy. He IS the face of the franchise (no disrespect to Bmac or JHey)
fsugolf8166
December 7th, 2010
2:31 pm
ppaddy123
perfectly said thank you everyone knows his best days is behind him but he is the braves 3rd baseman and the face of the franchise
Dumb Braves fan
December 7th, 2010
2:36 pm
Lets go after Ryan Howard
JJ + Minor + Freeman for Howard
That Guy
December 7th, 2010
2:40 pm
I’m pretty sure this is sarcasm
Dumb Braves fan
December 7th, 2010
2:36 pm
Lets go after Ryan Howard
JJ + Minor + Freeman for Howard
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
2:44 pm
fsugolf8166, thanks…..what few here realize is the average baseball fan STILL thinks of Chipper when they talk about the Braves. I would be willing to bet most average Braves fans (you know..like the church group that drives up from Waycross, Ga) would have a hard time listing 5 of the regular starting 8 from last season.
Dumbo
December 7th, 2010
2:55 pm
Dumb Braves fan…listen friend, my handle is Dumbo, but even I know that there is no way the Phillies are unloading Howard, plus the Braves couldn’t manage his Contract at about $21 million a yr for next 5 yrs
gcs
December 7th, 2010
2:56 pm
Watch out, National League! The Braves have Joe “The Beaver” Mather!
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jeff
December 7th, 2010
2:59 pm
Bill Hall would cost more than a utility man, but he would solve the outfield and utility man and be a better than capable 3B if Chipper is out. he can play 7 positions if needed and can plain out hit. even if costs us 5mil would easily be worth it.
Dumbo
December 7th, 2010
3:00 pm
gcs….heard Freddie was kinda hard on the Beaver last night
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
3:06 pm
“I read in a MLB rumor blog that the Orioles are after Bartlett at TB. How about this deal….AGon to Baltimore, Reimold to the Rays and Bartlett to the Braves”
“I meant to say Gonzo and a KK package to Baltimore”
I’d say go for it if they don’t have to pay so much of KK’s salary if they are including Gonzo.
jim
December 7th, 2010
3:19 pm
If the Orioles are after Bartlett, why does he end up with the Braves in your 3-team trade?
Dumb Braves fan
December 7th, 2010
3:23 pm
south georgia braves
you are another example of how the IQ on these blogs is low.
yogi2
December 7th, 2010
3:29 pm
J schafer did not finish strong in Gwinnett. He was sent to Mississippi
and still could not hit AA pitching and faked another injury. -.200 batting average with both clubs
ppaddy123
December 7th, 2010
3:31 pm
Dumb Braves fan……….and surely you’re a member of Mensa!
Larry
December 7th, 2010
3:32 pm
just heard Braves close to blockbuster deal dont know who yet
jim
December 7th, 2010
3:39 pm
Wren gets Angels GM drunk and lands Mike Trout for KK and McLouth with no salary pick up.
Cameron
December 7th, 2010
3:41 pm
Where did you see this?
Cameron
December 7th, 2010
3:42 pm
just heard Braves close to blockbuster deal dont know who yet
** Sorry, this?
rammerjammer
December 7th, 2010
3:43 pm
Who needs DOB when you have Larry?
ryan c
December 7th, 2010
3:52 pm
Blockbuster is about to tank. Everyone’s going to Netflix or Redbox. That would be a bad move for the Braves.
Conyers Braves Fan
December 7th, 2010
3:55 pm
I enjoyed reading all this nonsense. If it was not fun for me, I would not waste my time. I nor anyone else who has posted (except possibly DOB) really has a clue what is or is not going on with the Braves at the Winter Meeting. If anything does materalize, it could be a surprise to everyone. As for me, I will keep on reading all of this stuff and laughing.
Larry
December 7th, 2010
3:59 pm
nevermind just wanted to get everyones blood pressure up ROLL TIDE
Scott from Fairburn
December 7th, 2010
4:04 pm
Remember a few years back when Lastings Milledge was a can’t miss prospect for the Mets? His name was also included in speculation for trades.
dumbassfan
December 7th, 2010
4:10 pm
ok here is the perfect lineup…lets trade heyward,prado,mcann and jj to the cardnials for albert and then we could sign andruw jones and frenchy…and then we could trade hanson for livain hernandez…what yall think about that…come on people quit talking stupid trades….we have a solid team as it is right now,we need to sure up the bullpen and then either get a solid centerfielder or just let mclouth play there…i think people have given up on him to soon and the kid has tons of talent…just my thoughts
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
4:12 pm
Damn right I am a Chipper fan, and I am in no way apologetic about it. It is astounding to me that someone could actually claim to be a Braves fan and rip on Chipper in the same breath. He has been the heart and soul of this team for a very long time.
I hated when they traded Dale Murphy. I wasn’t happy when they let Aaron go, but that was more a case of acceding to his wishes. It’s very rare to have a player now who remains with the team for his entire career and is successful enough to become the face of the franchise.
Yes, it’s a business. They proved that with Smoltz and Glavine. Doesn’t matter. Chipper has earned the right to stay. Is he as fearsome at the plate as he once was? No. Is he as good defensively as he once was? No. Is he still a leader and a presence in the clubhouse? You betcha.
Is he anywhere near as horrible as some of the trolls and posters would have us believe? Absolutely not. Has he earned the right to show he can come back from surgery? Without a doubt.
Am I supportive of Chipper? As supportive as he is of the team.
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
4:20 pm
word is now that the O’s are pulling out of the deal
Justafan
December 7th, 2010
5:05 pm
Wren said Ed Lucas may be our utility player….ok. What’s next?
jim
December 7th, 2010
5:10 pm
Who the hell is Ed Lucas?
And Roodge Owns
December 7th, 2010
5:14 pm
George Lucas’s talking horse?
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
5:18 pm
if Lucas does take that spot, it is one less thing they have to worry about. I’d be okay with that. He looks to have a fairly decent bat and some speed. Don’t know that much about him but I’m willing to see what he has.
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
5:21 pm
For those of you wondering who Lucas is…
More reading the blog, less posting under the blog
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
5:24 pm
Hmm, looks like the Bartlett deal fell through. Maybe there is a possibility of slipping in there and working something with Gonzo and KK in some kind of three way deal like South Georgia Braves suggested earlier.
Justafan
December 7th, 2010
5:40 pm
ramblingman, I too believe he would be ok.Has speed, power and hits for average.
Playing Young and Lucas would save some money and give the kids a chance to prove themselves.
Now you will be the LH relief pitcher?
Justafan
December 7th, 2010
5:42 pm
who not you
Popcorn Arm McOut
December 7th, 2010
5:43 pm
A CF to replace McOut is a necessity to a luxury or just insurance. How can you (DOB & Wren) or anybody be satisfied with McOut after last year’s performance ? Its pretty sad that his $6 million contract makes the Braves have to play him. Any news on Nate actually playing winter ball or getting a hitting tutor ? Damn, he needs one…
Rocky Mount
December 7th, 2010
5:43 pm
What about Grady Sizemore? Trade McCouth and Minor/Beachy. Granted Sizemore is injury prone but an injured Sizemore is better than a healthy McCouth.
Justafan
December 7th, 2010
5:44 pm
Roodge , Lucas does have some good race horses.
Wes Covington
December 7th, 2010
5:45 pm
A fan since 1957, saw Warren Spahn win his 300th against the Cubs. We have no one to play center field, McClouth is a joke – can’t hit, can’t field and won’t even show his pathetic arm. What about left field? Prado goes to third base when Chipper pulls another oblique during the first game. Major holes that no one seems to be concerned about. Same as last year, no CF no LF – and we’re not concerned?
Popcorn Arm McOut
December 7th, 2010
5:45 pm
I meant its a necessity not a luxury.
Popcorn Arm McOut
December 7th, 2010
5:48 pm
Yeah, Chipper may pull anything (oblique,hammy,tendon,ear,left nut,nose,tongue,big toe,etc.).
Nate is just flat out a mistake that will hurt another year even after last year was near unbearable…
Popcorn Arm McOut
December 7th, 2010
5:49 pm
I bought a tv (like Nate) that played really well at first but it tore up after about 6 months (like Nate) and I took it to the landfill…
hawaiibravefan
December 7th, 2010
6:09 pm
Is there any possibility that barbaro canizares could make the team next year? good rh bat, could platoon with freeman?
GarynpOH
December 7th, 2010
6:26 pm
do people that post about trading Mclouth really think a team would want him. if you don’t want him on the Braves then what makes you think any other team would trade anything worth getting in return for him. is this just wishful thinking or do people really believe that these absurd proposals may be considered. Hey, I am all for KK and Mclouth in return for Cody Ross and 10 million cash.. FW make it happen.
ryan c
December 7th, 2010
6:29 pm
a rival executive speculated that there was a possibility that the braves could look into acquring albert pujols.
Marino
December 7th, 2010
6:36 pm
“a rival executive speculated that there was a possibility that the braves could look into acquring albert pujols.”
LOL thats the funniest post I’ve read all year. Is this a trade you tried to make in MLB2K10 on your PS3?
ramblingman
December 7th, 2010
6:40 pm
It’d be nice for the whiners to find something shiny to distract them. Sadly, that won’t happen. Hard to believe someone who does nothing but trash Braves player is actually a Braves fan. And in fact, I ususally don’t believe it. Trolls, jerks and bozos from other team sites are what make up the large majority of the group that simply insults Braves players, makes their names into insults, constantly claim we are the worst team since the 1962 Mets, etc.
So go ahead and post your foolish remarks. Most of us on here who are true fans recognize trolls when we read them.
kenny j
December 7th, 2010
6:57 pm
Beachy and Dellgado, Pastornicky for Greinke or Rasmus. DO NOT TOUCH Mike Minor…am I the only one to see him k 12 cubbies. HE IS THE FUTURE…and our only Lefty..and some of you want to trade him + prospects for Cain????!!?? He has like 46 ab’s in the ML. No no no no. Couple of bench players and another Lefty in the pen period. JJ yes – he’s inconsistant and Beachy can outpitch him. Trade him and Randall for somebody. The rest are UNTOUCHABLE. I wouldn’t trade Minor for Upton straight up. Again, our only Lefty and pitching WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!
Bobby
December 7th, 2010
7:15 pm
As long as we don’t get Gomez! Has speed but stinks at everything else.
kenny j
December 7th, 2010
7:20 pm
I’ll take my chances with Matt Young and even Shaefer. Would love Ellsbury but its not gonna happen. GO BRAVES!!
kenny j
December 7th, 2010
7:31 pm
Jayson Heyward in center and go after Willingham. Hell, Frenchy would b better than McLouth if he doesn’t rebound.
Bobby's chauffeur
December 7th, 2010
7:50 pm
Calm down everyone.. We have a solid team right now.. if Shafer or Mclouth don’t work out, we will get something done. Don’t sell the farm. we are better than most teams just like we are… not saying some reasonable tweaking would be nice…or… maybe someone surprises us and tears it up in spring training….. all in all I am really excited…when does spring training begin…
kenny j
December 7th, 2010
7:54 pm
Early March. 1st week I think.
bringback7
December 7th, 2010
8:08 pm
if we cant get someone like jacoby, sizemore, or crawford, i say bring back francoeur and put him or jhey in center. you know he’ll be more productive than nate and jordan…and he’ll be a little cheaper and we can spend money else where. but i doubt he will want to come back here since the fans were pricks to him
kenny j
December 7th, 2010
8:16 pm
February 26th 1st Spring Training Game
ryan c
December 7th, 2010
8:28 pm
something’s brewing…no tweet from DOB or Bowman in quite some time.
TheAmazingSnyderman
December 7th, 2010
9:35 pm
Frenchy is as good as Milledge offensively plus his defense is extremely good, maybe it’s time to bring the prodigal son home.
Robin of the Hood
December 7th, 2010
10:27 pm
PLEASE tell me all of you are joking about Grienke for JJ??? Zach is a GREAT, AMAZING pitcher but he’s admitted that he hates being in the public spotlight and having to be compared to Maddux at a young age is stressful for anyone. If anything we should hold on to JJ and sign Zach when he becomes a free agent. Grienke, Jurrjens, Hanson, Teheran and Minor. Now that’s scary. Let’s face it, this team is a Contending AND rebuilding team. Rookie 1B, 2B rebuilding this francise with one of the best 2B in the game, SS no definte long term replacement(F Gonzalez would have been able to work with Yunel), 3B ONLY GOD KNOWS, OF NOT EVEN GOD KNOWS, season starts March 31st and Prado will be back at 3B by April 1st, only J Hey is a sure thing, B Mac and D Ross are solid at Catching, great pitching. Dont forget 2 years ago JJ and Escobar were our only reasons to smile. One is gone and now some of you want the other gone to make the team better. In that case let’s just release Chipper. Position wise we only have 4 guys who we KNOW will be here down the road Freeman, Prado (more than likely), Mac, and JASON FREAKING HEYWARD!
Gary
December 7th, 2010
10:54 pm
Supposedly, we’re looking at Mahay. How could we afford him.
Gary
December 7th, 2010
10:54 pm
?
WES
December 8th, 2010
1:05 am
DOB, thanks for all the work and information you provide for us Braves fans. I have a question, is it just me or does signing Bill Hall just make too much sense?
He can play all the outfield and infield positions, this would give much flexibility to Fredi in managing the players if they are injured, struggling, or just need a day off. Especially in the wake of a injury to Chipper, hope not, but Prado can move to 3B and he can play LF or if Prado is satisfied in LF then Hall can play 3B. He can also take over CF if McClouth fails to put it together this season, with Hall replacing McClouth we wouldn’t have to rely on inexperience players, even though I would like to give Jordan Schafer a chance, to take over the position or trade our prospects on someone who may or may night be a “sure thing” to the solution.
It just seems too easy to be true. Signing Bill Hall brings experience, flexibility, good defender, couple SB, and pop to the team.
And if the team is looking for another LP for the bullpen then Ron Mahay certainly isn’t a bad option. He pitched great in his short time here in ATL. George Sherrill and Will Ohman aren’t bad options in my opinion either, just as long as the team doesn’t overspend on this need.
Hopefully we can trade KK to someone and just get rid of him, because we really don’t have a need for him on our roster. If it doesn’t work out right now then have him start the season in the minors and pitch there in either relief or as a starter and then trade him during the season; as injuries do happen during the year and some teams will be more desperate then to trade for him.
Brave Dawg
December 8th, 2010
10:05 am
Dave –
This just may seem obvious to me, but if Wren is looking for a proven backup shortstop who would come cheap, why not go after Adam Everett? He’s a Cobb County boy, and a great glove on defense. I ran into him a little over a year ago in Acworth, and spoke to him for a few minutes, and he told me he and his family would love nothing more than to finish his career with the Braves!
BravosnumeroUNO
December 8th, 2010
11:00 am
throw 5 yr 100 mill at crawford for cf
David O'Brien
December 8th, 2010
11:11 am
throw 5 yr 100 mill at crawford for cf — BravosnumeroUNO
Sure, no problem.
Booby's Blunders
December 8th, 2010
12:11 pm
Some are saying that the Braves may trade Kawakami but have to pay up to 5 million of his salary. — Don’t understand — What is the point if they are still going to have to pay almost all of his salary??????
BravoHeart
December 8th, 2010
12:57 pm
AHHHHH Winter Meetings,I love this time of year almost like I do the trade deadline..lol, So with that said these should be some moves FW be looking at..Signing Bill Hall really does make too much sense,Beachy for Cain straight up looks good as well, the Braves need a legit lead off man with speed..Elsbury and McCutchen are to pricey in prospects,4th outfielder should come in the form of old Brave Francouer..Who is the closer?!?! Zach Grienke should be looked into with possibly KK,Derek Lowe,Low-Mid level prospect and eat some of KK contract..Just a suggestion
SP:Hudson,Grienke,Hanson,Jair,Minor
CF:Cain
RF:JHey
LF:Prado
2B:Uggla
C :McCann
3B:Chip
SS:Agonz
1B:Freeman
SP:SP
just suggestions everything isn’t possible,,
robert
December 8th, 2010
1:04 pm
DOB, just asking, but any Chance that Andruw Joens signs as a back up outfielder?? Good power for a right handed bat off the bench after losing Matty??
robert
December 8th, 2010
1:04 pm
Sorry, Andruw Jones….
NYCBrave
December 8th, 2010
4:25 pm
DOB,
Saw Brandon Flowers of The Killers last week perform his solo album. Not as good as The Killers stuff, but I still enjoyed the album. Both acts are quite good live. Have you seen any concerts lately? Recommendations?
BRS
December 8th, 2010
8:05 pm
woah crazy small world, saw flowers @ highline as too!. what are the odds of that.
goin to c DBT @ the brooklyn bowl on dec 30.
saw joy formidable, black angels not to long ago, great stuff as well.
BRS
December 8th, 2010
8:08 pm
got 3 tix to see them on NYE as well . they are for sale if anyone want rock?
matt
December 8th, 2010
8:31 pm
crawford in center why dont the braves ever go after anybody that is great just watching the parade go by