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Justafan

November 30th, 2010
9:19 pm

Fire Paul Hewitt. Oh! $7 million..I own that school, thank you.

scsecchamps

November 30th, 2010
9:20 pm

francoer broke his hip – oops frankgore

Danga

November 30th, 2010
9:24 pm

Generally not a fan of of long contracts, but Tulo is exactly the kind of player you would want to use one on though. He is 26 and does everything well at a premium position. Not sure why now with him already being under contract through 2014, but I guess they figured the risk of this contract coming back to bite them in the arse in 10 years is less than the risk of losing him in 4.

Braveheart

November 30th, 2010
9:28 pm

Not a big fan of that Tulo contract. Imagine if you’d given Andruw a 10 year contract when he was 25? You would’ve gotten 4 good years, and 6 bad years. Tulo’s really not special enough of a player to warrant a 10 year contract.

That being said, what if the Braves offered Heyward a 15 year contract that kept him in Atlanta through the age of 35? What if they assumed that he’d be on average worth 6 WAR a season during that time, and that the $ spent per WAR would increase by 5% every year?

They would have to offer Heyward a 15 year, $460 million contract once you adjust for the league minimum and arbitration years. If you assumed the more aggressive 10% annual inflation rate, they’d have to offer something like 15 years, $710 million.

nolie

November 30th, 2010
9:30 pm

Eric
I remember now. You said 99 wins or so and I said 90-92 and no way more than 96. You’re wager was that if I lost I had to say that you knew more about baseball than I do. Since just about every time we have disagreed I turned out to be correct, I just couldn’t bring myself to tell such a big fib, so I “bitched” out if that’s how you need to see it. I was right again though ;)

Braveheart

November 30th, 2010
9:33 pm

Oh, this argument is starting to remind me of that argument that went on with Random for like a week last offseason trying to settle the terms of whatever that bet was

P'cola Brave

November 30th, 2010
9:34 pm

Another option for posible INF guy could be Jose Lopez. Been categorized as a non tender guy.

P'cola Brave

November 30th, 2010
9:35 pm

Nvm. LOpez in another Gonzo.

nolie

November 30th, 2010
9:36 pm

BH , I think it is a decent gamble though a bit of a risk of course. He is a very good all-around player at a premium position who also hits well away from Coors. If he has 4 more years anything like his last few and using your aggressive inflation rate he would cost around 20 mil to start with at that time.
Sure it could bite at the end and long ones like that usually do, but he will only be 36 when it ends and the odds are pretty good that it should work out ok. Plus I guess they were fairly pleased with that long Helton one.

richbrave

November 30th, 2010
9:37 pm

FALL BALL:

MERCADO does not get up again, and his team falls to the opposition 1-0, but not because of ORLANDO.

Joker

November 30th, 2010
9:37 pm

Like In the NFL

Contracts over 5 years Never last w/o the player wither getting traded/released (while the team eats the contract) or the player restructuring his contract

I thought the Rockies learned that lesson with Denny Neagle and Mike Hampton?

And now Turdowitzki…? Stupid Rockies F.O.

nolie

November 30th, 2010
9:37 pm

nah it ain’t gonna go any longer than now. It takes two to argue

richbrave

November 30th, 2010
9:38 pm

Braveheart

November 30th, 2010
9:33 pm
Oh, this argument is starting to remind me of that argument that went on with Random for like a week last offseason trying to settle the terms of whatever that bet was

Yeah, I remember the contention, but not the details.

nolie

November 30th, 2010
9:40 pm

Huge difference between those two pitchers who had no proven production record at Coors and were attempting to pitch in a great hitter’s park and Tulo who is much more like the Helton deal.

P'cola Brave

November 30th, 2010
9:42 pm

I don’t like that Tulo deal. For him its great. 10 years of security. I think they could of held off a year or so. The guy was still under contract for a few years. Now they just got to hope he remains healthy over the course of the next 10 years. Risky gamble.

richbrave

November 30th, 2010
9:42 pm

FALL BALL:

DOMINICAN

C WILKIN CASTILLO has not yet been up and the ‘in progress’ report has been frozen in the bottom of the 1st for an hour and a half. Must be raining, or the update tech fell asleep.

David O'Brien

November 30th, 2010
9:48 pm

Justafan: it’s a real bad spot the Jackets are in with Hewitt, no doubt. I mean, Northwestern shot 65 percent from the field tonight and beat Tech by 20, and that was coasting for the second half. How does a team shoot 65 percent against an ACC team with the level of talent Tech has recruited?

nolie

November 30th, 2010
9:50 pm

if he does stay healthy then it’s a good deal for the Rox, though I agree it’s kinda funny they did it this early.

Joker

November 30th, 2010
9:58 pm

Just Imagine if we had Signed Jeff Francoeur to a ‘Lifetime Deal” back in 2008? This Blog would still be Off The Chain…!

Thats just how much as I am opposed to those hustle deals

Joker

November 30th, 2010
9:59 pm

BRB in 15, Got to hook up some Big Boy Fajitas and watch some old Dubya C Dubya Rasslin

Dadgum.....

November 30th, 2010
10:03 pm

Let me say that Hinske ain’t passing on the Braves no matter how good the home cookn is. I mean is this Little League all of a sudden! Stop it with the crap already. Hinske is of the ilk that plays for championships. It can happen easier in the ATL than brew city. Hinske is a winner and understands another World Series can happen next year easier in Atlanta. Can’t see the yeast rising in Milwaukee. Just can’t.

Rock on…. Really hated to see Vazquez sign with the Marlins. Hope that doesn’t come back to bite the Braves in the butt. I’m calling 15 wins 200+ innings and a sub 4 era right now. Any takers?

Mitchie-san

November 30th, 2010
10:04 pm

Man, that Tulo deal makes me nervous about the Braves ability to re-sign Uggla. I think his eyes just turned to dollar signs…

Joker

November 30th, 2010
10:05 pm

And as much as I moan about our owners being cheap at least they shy away from deals longer than 4 years in other words are penny wise…

With that said Regarding Hinske…Now is not the time to be Cheap…! W/O him last year we don’t make the Playoffs…

nolie

November 30th, 2010
10:06 pm

I agree it is a risk, I said so last night when we started talking about it, and the long ones do usually bite at the end. I also think with Tulo’s age and history and position and hitting both at home AND away from Coors that it could work and if it does it will end up saving them some bread. It’s their decision

Joker

November 30th, 2010
10:06 pm

Dadgum…..

“Rock on…. Really hated to see Vazquez sign with the Marlins. Hope that doesn’t come back to bite the Braves in the butt. I’m calling 15 wins 200+ innings and a sub 4 era right now. Any takers?”

Are You Willing To “Bank On It?”

nolie

November 30th, 2010
10:08 pm

W/O him last year we don’t make the Playoffs Joker

caint agree with that one. maybe not, maybe so. after the first two and a half months last year he was pretty mediocre. His OPS the last 4 months were not very good at all. I would like him back, but I do not see it as all that important

nolie

November 30th, 2010
10:10 pm

I’m sorry Joker , I misread your post. I somehow passed over the “last year” and was thinking about this coming one. You might be right about that, he was important sometimes.

Glord1

November 30th, 2010
10:11 pm

I think Vazquez goes 13-11 with 170 innings and 4.20 era at best. I also think he could go 10-14 with a 4.80 era. I will go with our guys thanks.

dap01

November 30th, 2010
10:14 pm

Ga Tech must be run by idiots or Hewitt relatives. How could anyone have such a horrible contract. I smell corruption.

nolie

November 30th, 2010
10:15 pm

Did Javi get his fastball back at the end of the season, anybody hear?

richbrave

November 30th, 2010
10:17 pm

Hey, DADGUM:

Whad’ dup dude? Hope your Turkey Day was filling.

Snotboogie

November 30th, 2010
10:18 pm

FYI: DIORY has been playing 3B exclusively in fall ball this year.

Quite the nugget from richbrave. This says a bit about Diory’s bench job.

Glord1

November 30th, 2010
10:18 pm

Javy was throwing about 87 mph when the season ended.

Bravefaninok

November 30th, 2010
10:19 pm

The dodgers are signing everybody ……http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/dodgers-looking-to-sign-relievers.html

Dodgers GM Ned Colletti has locked up Ted Lilly, Hiroki Kuroda, Jon Garland, Juan Uribe, Jay Gibbons and Dana Eveland since the regular season ended. Los Angeles also acquired Blake Hawksworth for Ryan Theriot today.

richbrave

November 30th, 2010
10:19 pm

nolie

November 30th, 2010
10:15 pm
Did Javi get his fastball back at the end of the season, anybody hear?

Dunno. Haven’t read anything much along those lines. I listened to the MLBN hot stove this morning, and there was some mention of his velocity picking up in the last few games of the season. That’s about it as far as I know.

Churchy

November 30th, 2010
10:22 pm

Javy bounces back and has a solid year like he did with the Braves.
Then after next season, the Yankees take yet another chance with him and sign him to a long term contract. That’s how stupid the Yankees are sometimes.

nolie

November 30th, 2010
10:27 pm

even his velocity loss might hsve been due to tigntening up from nervousness. One of his problems is lack of confidence and he already had a history of failing in NY and i t was pretty obvious from the getgo he did not want to be back there. He started talking retiring right after he got there, and that has not been mentioned this winter

MikeInFl

November 30th, 2010
10:30 pm

His velocity has been declining for about 4 years, but last year was the biggest drop.

Pretty good article at fangraphs, on Vazquez. This writer doesn’t paint too rosy a picture, as far as him returning to pre-2010 form. Here’s the conclusion:


Vazquez has thrown over 42,000 pitches in his big league career, throwing 200 or more innings every year from 2000 to 2009 with the exception of 2004, when he threw 198 innings. He might only be 34 years old, but he has the mileage of a pitcher nearing 40. Given his career workload, I wouldn’t bet on Vazquez’s fastball ever coming back. And if it doesn’t, well, the Marlins just risked $7 million in the hopes that he can teach himself how to pitch without his main weapon. That’s a pretty substantial risk for a team that isn’t exactly rolling in money.

nolie

November 30th, 2010
10:34 pm

well I wish him luck…except against us of course. Not sure what to think about his chances this year. when we got him I predicted a great year in Atlanta, and most of us predicted a poor one in NY. Hafta wait and see this year, I kinda think he will have a decent year if his FB comes back at all. but not sure about it.

Nick

November 30th, 2010
10:41 pm

The Braves are gonna suck this year. I’m saying 82-80.

richbrave

November 30th, 2010
10:44 pm

FALL BALL:

DOMINICAN

C WILKIN CASTILLO goes 2-4, 2 RBI (14), 1 SO, .278 BA.

1B/PH MAURO ‘45′ GOMEZ is quite the pistolero tonight going 1-1 with his third double of the fall season.

CF JOSE CONSTANZA goes 1-4 tonight with 1 SO.

MEXICO

CF MATT YOUNG is 0-2 so far tonight, .377 BA. Game in progress bottom of the fourth.

2B JOE THURSTON having a great night through four, 2-2, .255 BA.

DH BARBARO CANIZARES not so much 0-2, .315. He cold as a stone right now.

VENEZUELA

Only game delayed.

nolie

November 30th, 2010
10:44 pm

yeah right Nick, you have such a great track record in that department :roll:

richbrave

November 30th, 2010
10:45 pm

Nick

November 30th, 2010
10:41 pm
The Braves are gonna suck this year. I’m saying 82-80.

Great NICK. We’ll take that under advisement.

Joker

November 30th, 2010
10:46 pm

Works both ways With Vazquez…Keep in Mind he will not recieve no where near the amout of run support he received when he was Pitching in The Rotten Apple

Joker

November 30th, 2010
10:47 pm

@Nick

I know You seriously Don’t Mean That…?

Didn’t I see you at The ChopHouse hanging with the “Thanks Bobby” Crew…Right behind the railing in Right Center-Field?

richbrave

November 30th, 2010
10:49 pm

Churchy

November 30th, 2010
10:22 pm
Javy bounces back and has a solid year like he did with the Braves.
Then after next season, the Yankees take yet another chance with him and sign him to a long term contract. That’s how stupid the Yankees are sometimes.

RYAN, is that you? Well I guess you would know having been a MET for 1+ years.

nolie

November 30th, 2010
10:50 pm

So KK put the kibosh on getting sold back to J@p@n ??

richbrave

November 30th, 2010
10:50 pm

nolie

November 30th, 2010
10:51 pm

monty

November 30th, 2010
10:56 pm

MikeInFl

November 30th, 2010
10:30 pm
His velocity has been declining for about 4 years, but last year was the biggest drop.

Dang,,4 years ago he musta been hitting 100. Last season he was 93 pretty consistently with occassional 95!

monty

November 30th, 2010
11:00 pm

Miami is about as far away from NY as you can get pressure wise. If he gets back over 90 with his fastball,he’s an easy .500 pitcher for them.

Salt life

November 30th, 2010
11:00 pm

Nick

November 30th, 2010
10:41 pm
The Braves are gonna suck this year. I’m saying 82-80.

jesus Nick!!!!…..Did your dog die?………..Dude, we just got better……….Infante was a +……Conrad was a + until he had to be out there every day………Even without Chip, Prado, and Wagner we still almost took down the series winners…..the galss is half full, bro…

DS1………you are going to be within 40 miles of me…….yet……when I went driving all over Utah, you didn’t come find me!………..all good….stay away from Barbara Jeans…..Sticky fingers is where you will eat every day you are in jax….good stuff!!

Russell Bell

November 30th, 2010
11:03 pm

nolie – I hope not. I mean, is KK really goin’ to be cool with starting the year in AA? I guess he gets paid no matter what, so maybe he can swallow his pride. Would still think going back to the mother country is better for his career than wallowing in the minors for half a season, hoping for a bus ride back to the Bigs.

Salt life

November 30th, 2010
11:06 pm

Oh…….and there is a guy that may get non-tendered by Toronto….Dustin McGowan is from Ludowici GA…..he had shoulder problems last year (he told my brother he was good though)….he’s a damn good pitcher, but a bad golfer……..I beat him!!…(no I didnt but he and I did play)…..if he’s healthy, he’s filthy………..he’s a starter but if available he may go to the pen for the home team.

nolie

November 30th, 2010
11:14 pm

Russell from yesterdays Bowman article

The Braves felt like they had a match with a J@panese club that was willing to provide close to $3 million in return for Kawakami. But the 34-year-old pitcher has said that he wants to remain in the United States to take advantage of at least one last chance to prove he can be effective in the Majors.

When Kawakami was sent to Triple-A Gwinnett for the month of August, he was able to continue living in his suburban Atlanta mansion, which is located just a few minutes from Gwinnett’s stadium. This luxury might not be present if he returns to the Braves next year.

Once Kawakami passed through waivers earlier this month, Atlanta optioned him to its Double-A Mississippi roster

Salt life

November 30th, 2010
11:20 pm

I am not watchting the season finale of “Sons” until tomorrow night so please dont give anything away…I do have to read the blog everyday…….the only thing good about my workday.

abwright

November 30th, 2010
11:20 pm

The need for speed … I think every possible angle on “speed” has been covered in this blog. But, as a blogger used to comment when McCann, Hinske, Glaus, and Chipper were clogging up the basepaths, those tractor-trailers only moved one base at a time.

Adding one speed guy to the Braves isn’t going to make much difference when everyone else is going station-to-station. If the guy gets on base at a .333 clip, it would mean less than a run every three days in the first inning.

The 2010 Braves may have been the slowest team I have ever seen.

Glord1

November 30th, 2010
11:20 pm

Prediction -

Red Sox sign Werth
Sign Derek Lee
Trade for A Gonzalez
Lee plays some first while AG recovers and then DHs against LH pitching.

Russell Bell

November 30th, 2010
11:23 pm

Great, just great.

I can’t think of anything nice to say about him right now (in light of this Bowman update)… I just hope he contributes something next year, other than burning ML dollars in the minors.

I suddenly feel the need to go refresh my glass.

nolie

November 30th, 2010
11:24 pm

Ab, I think Wren is trying to address that in the draft. He seems to be adding a bit more speed that John S often did.

Salt life

November 30th, 2010
11:25 pm

I won $12 more than my bar tab at poker tonight and I am sufficiently drunken…..I must lay my head down now…..BAS, have a couple for me tonight…..I rode my motorcycle through “The Streets of San Francisco” and over the Golden Gate Bridge…….fun town.

Glord1

November 30th, 2010
11:25 pm

Can they option Kawakami to Danville for costing them 3 mil? I wonder how much he would like renting a house there (there are no mansions) and playing on that American Legion field.

abwright

November 30th, 2010
11:26 pm

Diory prolly didn’t get playing time at the end of 2010 because the Braves already had a M*A*S*H unit on the field. Backup 3B, 2B, and a new 1B. You going to replace your SS too? Even for a game? When every game counted (Braves got into the playoffs by one game if everyone remembers)?

nolie

November 30th, 2010
11:26 pm

yeah unless I am mis-comprehending that article it looks like we are back stuck with his 6.7 mil again. I wonder if DOB might have some input on that?

abwright

November 30th, 2010
11:32 pm

On KK back to J@p@n … he can’t refuse a trade, can he? If he starts at AA, surely it’s because the Braves couldn’t trade him, not that he didn’t want to be traded.

I actually think that the Braves would be wise to hold onto KK if they cannot get a decent salary relief in a trade. When he was locked into a slot on the 25 man (or even the 40 man) that really hurt the Braves’s flexibility. Now that he’s off the 25 man, someone else can hold that spot and maybe actually get into a game.

If KK gets his stuff together at AA and Minor, Beachy, et al suck it up, Braves have some MLB pitching experience in the minors.

Scuba Steve

November 30th, 2010
11:40 pm

Just watched the SOA season finale…awesome ending!!! I loved it! Did you watch it DOB?

Kenny Powers

November 30th, 2010
11:41 pm

Anyone seen the new show “The Walking Dead”? Thoughts?

nolie

November 30th, 2010
11:42 pm

it wouldn’t really be a trade Ab, it would be more of a sale, but I have no idea what the rules are. It certainly sounds like he vetoed it not that they couldn’t find a willing team. The rules are likely different since it involves an a J-Asian league. Not sure if players can be sold there without their permission even if they are originally from there.

joedirt

November 30th, 2010
11:43 pm

is it safe to say dob. that braves will only get two more players. one bench player and one bullpen player?

Scuba Steve

November 30th, 2010
11:43 pm

I love the walking dead…zombies scare the crap out of me!

nolie

November 30th, 2010
11:44 pm

I think it’s pretty good. Many critics are hailing it as the best new show of the season. It has already been renewed for a longer run next season, I tyhink perhaps 13 episodes or so.

abwright

November 30th, 2010
11:47 pm

nolie … thanks. based on the article, it did sound like a refusal. I thought that the advantage (to the team) of a contract is that the team can trade the contract (barring service time, no trade clauses, …).

But, surely the Braves could still trade KK to another MLB team if there were a taker. Since they got him through waivers, I’m guessing that no one wanted to pick him up.

So bizarre.

Bay Area Steve

November 30th, 2010
11:48 pm

abwright

November 30th, 2010
11:52 pm

I haven’t seen the Walking Dead (yet), but it’s hard to resist a good zombie flick.

I swear I’m not going to watch, then … several hours of shambling zombies eating brains later …

Some of my favorite takes on the zombie theme …
Dawn of the Dead
Weekend at Bernies (2)
Shaun of the Dead
Dead Alive (from Peter Jackson)

Russell Bell

November 30th, 2010
11:53 pm

Well, this puts a damper on whatever budget space is left. I gotta think KK’s zombie paycheck in the minors makes internal options for the 4th OFer spot more likely. Hopefully there is enough cash left for a vet. reliever, and a little stored away for the trade deadline.

abwright

November 30th, 2010
11:53 pm

And with that … I’m out or I’ll be a zombie tomorrow.

nolie

November 30th, 2010
11:54 pm

yes I believe they can trade him to another MLB team….IF they could find a willing partner.
It is kinda bizarre cause though his W/L record is bad, for the most part he has not pitched poorly enough that it should be all that hard to find a team who would pay 3 or 4 mil for his not all that bad ERA. There are certainly worse pitchers being paid more money I think.

nolie

November 30th, 2010
11:55 pm

Russell Bell

November 30th, 2010
11:58 pm

In the 90’s it was vampires, now zombies are enjoying a period of cultural elevation above horror-flick-schtick. I work at a university, and it seems like most of the undergrads are obsessed with zombies. Maybe its video game influence?

Of course, the Twilight tweens (and True Blood fans) would beg to differ regarding my vampire’s being a 90’s-trivia-piece comment.

one-eyed mac

December 1st, 2010
12:00 am

Braves can’t trade KK back overseas without his permission. They could trade him to another MLB team (unless he has a no trade clause which I don’t think he does). The problem is I don’t think there’s a MLB team that wants him.

unbelievable

December 1st, 2010
12:00 am

getting through waivers just means that no one wanted him for that full contract. Surely some team would trade for KK if the Braves would pay 4-5 mil of that remaining $7 mil. He’s not awful and a lot of pitchers with worse numbers are getting paid more.

P'cola Brave

December 1st, 2010
12:05 am

I keep thinking Baltimore might have some interest in KK. Hes definitely not a bad pitcher for 2-3 mil a year which is probably what he would be paid with the Braves picking up the rest.

P'cola Brave

December 1st, 2010
12:12 am

Or possibly Seattle. Both teams could use SP and depending on how much the Braves would eat might make him affordable for other clubs.

jed

December 1st, 2010
12:14 am

one eyed mac: you’re right that teams aren’t showing much interest in KK, but at 3 million, the guy’s a steal. he’s gotten a bum rap in atlanta.

Russell Bell

December 1st, 2010
12:18 am

I wouldn’t exactly call KK a steal at $3 mill, but Wren might find a team willing to take a risk on him. Personally, I wouldn’t pay him the ML minimum to pitch if I was a GM.

P’Brave – Seattle I could see, but Baltimore? KK would be eaten alive in the AL east.

jed

December 1st, 2010
12:28 am

stringer! you wouldnt pay him the minimum? that’s craziness. no wonder you had bodie kill wallace! KK got no run support last year. then they banished him to siberia midseason at a point where his ERA was only slightly worse than lowe’s. certainly not a great year from him but he didnt get a shot to redeem himself like lowe did. dont forget that in 2009, he posted a 3.8 era and ate 156 innings.

P'cola Brave

December 1st, 2010
12:29 am

KK is a formidable SP for 2-3 mil. He struggled this year but had an ERA under 4 in ‘09. I’m sure he can contribute to some ML team. But theres not many teams lining up for a pitcher whose ERA was over 5 and a W-L of 1-10

jed

December 1st, 2010
12:30 am

when you get no run support in your starts, the old won-lost figures tell you nothing.

Russell Bell

December 1st, 2010
12:37 am

Not too concerned with his W/L record (although it is a lesser factor). I just rarely liked what I saw when KK pitched last year. He looked supremely hittable most of the time.

Not saying he ain’t worth the risk for some team, but if I was a GM, I’d have zero interest, and would be busy looking under different rocks for starting options.

jed

December 1st, 2010
12:39 am

fine. but did you have to have wallace killed? that was COLD, man!

ward

December 1st, 2010
12:47 am

Hello every one! I thought that was a false trade afterwards. Nice try coach.

ward

December 1st, 2010
12:54 am

Back to the speed issue: It did work for San Fran, and i think you should steal a bases when you think you have a chance too.Down by two runs, I say go for it! Baseball is getting to be station to station, and I think you should take a chance on stealing bases.Throw the book out the window…..Speed wins you the tight ball games….

Russell Bell

December 1st, 2010
12:55 am

Just bidness.

ward

December 1st, 2010
12:59 am

Lead off hitters with speed are good, and Mclouth wlll be terrible.Trade for a center fielder with speed or sign one. Play Schafer or Matt Young! Anybody would be better than Mclouth.

bob

December 1st, 2010
1:00 am

fine. but did you have to have wallace killed? that was COLD, man!

yea

David O'Brien

December 1st, 2010
1:03 am

Tonight’s episode of Sons of Anarchy was just about as good as scripted television can possibly get. Superb finale to a terrific season. Wow. What a show.

nolie

December 1st, 2010
1:09 am

It did work for San Fran, ward

c’mon ward they stole less bases than any other team. it was a meaningless part of their offense during the season. steals and wins do not correspond all that highly. The Mets led the league and they stunk.

ward

December 1st, 2010
1:10 am

DOB: Are you sold on Nate Mclouth, as our center Fielder?

nolie

December 1st, 2010
1:10 am

you should pass up the silly disproven baseball folk lore

ward

December 1st, 2010
1:12 am

Speed distracts the defense, and it worke for San Fran.Nolie I know people don’t agree with me, but look at all the teams that won the World Series.

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