10:08 pm November 29, 2010, by David O'Brien
November 30th, 20103:14 pm
Murph with his vast knowledge of the English language maybe ward should be the spokesman.
November 30th, 20103:15 pm
Braves trade Brandon Beachy and Randall Delgado to Royals for Zach Grienke
November 30th, 20103:16 pm
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November 30th, 20103:18 pm
I spelled the Yankees wrong
Don’t kill yourself if you spelled it as METS
There really no way to know what to expect from these guys in 2011.
You don’t know what to expect from ANY player, for that matter. You just have differing levels of uncertainty. A player who’s hit .300 for 7 of his 9 years in the bigs? Good chance he’ll hit .300 in the coming year and you’d feel relatively safe in assuming it. Then again, he might hit .250 if he puts on too much hair dye (Ha!) or goes through a divorce or suddenly can’t find a recurring flaw in his swing or just plain damn has an off year, LOL.
I think the Braves actually have fewer question marks than most, if you assume the players follow form. They all won’t, of course, but nobody is going to pick the outliers correctly in December. But that’s for a different conversation.
Before i leave is that true coach?
Ease™ in Sandy Springs
November 30th, 20103:19 pm
Is Grienke that good of a CF to give up those guys?
November 30th, 20103:20 pm
ward Grienke is really fast and good steal a bunch of bunts and really get on base .
November 30th, 20103:21 pm
Did we get Blanco back in the deal? If not all is lost!!!!!!
Follow me off the cliff – Oh wait, you already jumped.
November 30th, 20103:22 pm
Snarky sounds a little bit crazy
I don’t know about that trade? I have to give it some thought. Grienke is a good pitcher.Talk to guy’s tonight!!!! “Go!!! Braves!!!.”
jeffery d What I don’t get about the Tulo deal is that he was already signed for 4 more years
at which point he would be in his prime at 30 years old getting a massive pay day…probably with a different team.
rockies locked up the face of their franchise throughout his prime years mostly likely without having to suffer a sharp decline during the contract.
I hear he’s got lead off hitter’s speed
P-Town Brave ©
November 30th, 20103:23 pm
I believe they also begged us to take back Chavez…
For 1k coupons for free tacos at Taco Bell (expiration date 11/1/10)
November 30th, 20103:30 pm
nolie, an expert? Nah, he’s just an old blow hard!
November 30th, 20103:32 pm
Fakely announcing trades is worse than Trolling.
November 30th, 20103:35 pm
Don’t know what happened????? Must have changed it by accident??
Hmmm, maybe “fakely” wasn’t a word……but you get my drift.
November 30th, 20103:38 pm
Just wanted to check in here over a late lunch to chew the fact w/ my fellow Braves fans!
November 30th, 20103:42 pm
November 30th, 2010
You say Chipper made so many errors because Macon’s field was bad? How about the 43 errors at Richmond in ‘93? He did improve from .919 to .931. The guy couldn’t cut it at SS, and never really cut it at 3B, but that’s where you stick a one-dimensional hitter. Or LF. Where he was so bad, they had to bring him back to the infield. Chipper was born to be a DH. He never cared about defense. One-dimensional. Prima donna. Goodbye.
O.K. RICHARD, you’re obviously not of the planet earthn so who are you, or should I say WHAT are you?
As I remember CHIPPER tore up his knee which robbed him of his lateral quickness, and upon recovery was moved to 3rd base. Same thing happened to my grandson except his was football related.
nyyankees are the best
November 30th, 20103:49 pm
so whats new today oh i forgot nothing on this blog its the braves
November 30th, 20103:52 pm
dont get tore up just some idiot trying to have fun that trade would never happen
November 30th, 2010
Surprised Schafer’s name still comes up as a possible CF option. The guy has been dreadful the past 2 years. The wrist was an excuse for a while but my bet is Young beats him out easily for a back up role.
Well, whoever wins out, it’s nice to have the luxery of having two home-grown guys contending for the slot.
November 30th, 20103:53 pm
Don’t go confusing us with facts, ok!
November 30th, 20103:54 pm
JAVY VASQUEZ to the MARLINS. Know imusta’ be true ’cause I see’d it on da T.V.!!!!
atlbraves are the best
November 30th, 20103:55 pm
hey yall is my name better now
DAP, After 4 years they are going to be paying him 20 million per year
ward is a wordsmith, that much is certain. He could very easily be our spokesman.
He’d need to borrow one of his dad’s clip on ties and remember to take off his hairnet after work, but I think you’re on to something here Crazy.
“We now take you to breaking news outside the Burger King in Little Rock…”
“Hello. I have called this press conference to announce the Braves are in need of a speedy guy who can steal bunts and get on the bases. He should hit a bunch of the balls and remember the old rules about stealing towards 2nd when you’re down by a few runners. I will now answer your questions……. ok, thank you very much. Go!!! Braves”
November 30th, 20103:56 pm
Now, if I weren’t so sensitive to others’ feelings, I might be inclined to say that to call yourself “nyyankees are the best” might be a stretch of grammatical rules.
November 30th, 20103:58 pm
How much would Johnny Damon cost? I know he is left handed and a hundred years old but wouldn’t he be a better option than Schafer, Young or McScrub? He made 8MM last year and the Tigers don’t want him back….how about 1 year 4MM. If Hinskie goes to the Brewers he can be our lefty off the bench.
November 30th, 20103:59 pm
I just think they took a risk on Tulowitzki that they didn’t need to. You have him locked up through 2014 at which time you could offer him less than 20 million per year and still lock him up
November 30th, 20104:04 pm
nyyankees are the best–don’t get tore up, the Yanks will buy another World Series sometime in the next decade or so.
I think the problem is not so much that Diaz is too expensive, as it is about his position. With the addition of Dan Uggla at 2B and the shift of Martin Prado to LF, the question is where would Diaz play regularly? It’d be great if Diaz played CF, because he’s definitely a better offensive option than McLouth, but he’s too slow and limited to play CF.
One option might be to let Diaz play some 1B as a relief for Freddie Freeman against tough lefties. I know they signed Joe Mather as a utility corner IF/OF but I don’t know squat about him but I know what Diaz can do against lefties. I think if Eric Hinske goes to Milwaukee, Frank Wren might retain Diaz for his pinch hit abilities and personality. I think losing both Hinske AND Diaz might upset some chemistry, although they’ll still have David Ross.
at which time you could offer him less than 20 million per year and still lock him up
Very doubtful unless there is a major, major collapse in the price of players. Tulo is a very, very good player. He plays a high demand position. He would be a free agent coming off his prime seasons playing in a hitters environment and still relatively young. He’d easily cost a minimum of $20M, easily. Hell, Juan friggin Uribe just got $7M a year for three years… he’s terrible compared to Tulo. Just awful. And that’s in today’s money. Add in inflation of the dollar, inflation of player salaries, and a perennial MVP threat and you have considerably more.
Johnny Damon? We have Prado for left field. Damon in CF would be an adventure. With us having a 6.5 million dollar man penciled in for CF, I kinda doubt JD will be in the equation.
Personally, I am not sure he hits any better than McLouth in 2011.
November 30th, 20104:07 pm
So if it’s chemistry we are looking for, let’s get Ryan Freel talked out of retirement. With Farney, we get two for the price of one!
November 30th, 20104:08 pm
timthebrave You have him locked up through 2014 at which time you could offer him less than 20 million per year and still lock him up
November 30th, 20104:09 pm
the question is where would Diaz play regularly?
Regularly? He’d be a bench guy. And more than likely would get a decent amount of at bats with older players resting, platoon situations and potential injuries. If Chipper goes down or needs time off or is unavailable for any reason, Prado moves to third. LF is open.
Personally I think the Braves front office sees Prado more as a long term solution at third base than left field. Chipper only has two years left. Or from another angle, Prado is an infield solution/contingency for 2B if Uggla can’t be locked up, or 3B post Chipper. Maybe I’m way wrong on this, but I see his move to LF as largely temporary and a means to keep him in the line up until an infield spot is opened.
November 30th, 20104:10 pm
It’s OK to be Da Sensitive 1 but, sometimes you gotta let out DaEvil1. If you hold it all in you’re gonna explode man!!!!!!
Treat everyone the same………..until you find out they’re and idiot. Then it’s fair game!!!
November 30th, 20104:11 pm
The Braves (Frank) are just being cheap: they could afford MattE and Hinske and find places to play them both. I love Chipper but the guy is, shall we say, “Injury prone” at his age???? Martin is going to be getting alot of playing time at 3rd and I loved the platoon of MattE and Hinske in LF. Plus, MattE plays a fine RF, too. (as he did when Jeffy Weffy left). Bring them both back, Frank!!!!
November 30th, 20104:20 pm
There goes Theriot….
November 30th, 20104:21 pm
Into the Delorean for a trip, I guess.
Johnny. Bleeping. Damon.
November 30th, 20104:23 pm
Damon hit 100 points higher than Mcscrub last year…they both are terrible fielders with bad arms. Damon would bring a vet leader that goes hard every day. Mcscrub will get every chance in the world because ofh his salary but if has a spring like last year, we need someone. My thinking is if we lose Hinske and could get Damon at 3-4 mill it would be worth it
November 30th, 20104:28 pm
Just FYI, Adam Dunn’s agent says the bidding for his guy starts at four years, $60 mill. (Not that the Braves are or were ever going to get involved; just letting some of Big Donkey’s fans here know.)
November 30th, 20104:33 pm
too bad about ryan theriot unless this is a precursor to us trading for both theriot and rasmus.
November 30th, 20104:34 pm
Tomas – Matt Diaz in center? Are you on drugs?
Even if he had been working intensely on his defense throughout the winter (he didn’t – he’s playing with his kids like he should), he wouldn’t be good enough to even spell someone for an inning or two in center.
I like Matt and would love to see him back as a PH, but if he’s our option for CF? Dude, Richard Dawson might have a minor point, cause we’re one step closer to doom.
November 30th, 20104:35 pm
what’s next, berkman to the cards? what’s this world coming too? another precursor maybe?
My thinking is if we lose Hinske and could get Damon at 3-4 mill it would be worth it — beekay
So you think that’s the best use of probably most of the Braves’ available funds, to spend $4 mill on Damon, who can’t really play CF anymore on any sort of regular basis? So then you’d bench McLouth and the $7.75 mill he’s owed (including buyout of 2012 option), play who-knows in CF, and have almost nothing left to spend on bench (Damon can’t play any position except outfield) or bullpen?
November 30th, 20104:36 pm
Damon has a bad arm, but at least is willing to throw the ball to the cutoff man.
November 30th, 20104:39 pm
Will now really be rooting for Constanza to make the squad. Every time he comes in the game “Can’t STANDYA!!!” Dammit, that would be great.
November 30th, 20104:45 pm
Sorry, but I have taken a vow of civility! No can do, my friend.
What happened w/ Theriot? Did the Cards pick him up? He’s a good little ballplayer.
The best solution for center is McClouth to start hitting
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
November 30th, 20104:47 pm
Hey, I was believing that Grienke crap..
Summa y’all need your mommas to whoop that butt.
November 30th, 20104:50 pm
The best solution for center is McLouth joining the French Foreign Legion.
November 30th, 20104:56 pm
Center goes to McLouth by default with the hope that Matt Young or maybe even remotely possibly Schafer battling with him for the starting role or some playing time. That’s my thinkin’.
November 30th, 20104:59 pm
the bench is gonna be……
Schafer or Young
Still Very Good!!!!!!!!!!
Wren just needs to get a veteran releiver and a great outfielder at the deadline (Ellsbury, B.Upton, Chris Young, Angel Pagan)
November 30th, 20105:00 pm
Seriously, why havent I heard Angel Pagan more often. This guy can rake, swipe a bag, and play gold glove caliber D
November 30th, 20105:01 pm
Put me in coach. I’m ready to play today. Look at me, gotta be centerfield!
November 30th, 20105:02 pm
DOB…people were on here last year rooting for us to sign Damon for much more money before we knew J-Hey was ready. If Mcclouth is as bad as last year than he will need to be benched or cut ala Kawakami. My point is if Hinske goes to Brewers and Matty D is not resigned, that’s almost 4 mm off the books to pay Damon. We can’t start him just because of his salary if we wan’t to pass the Phils. The defensive drop from Mcclouth to Damon is not steep. We can use a late inning defensive replacement as needed.
November 30th, 20105:04 pm
That Tulo deal is reeeeeeeediculous.
November 30th, 20105:07 pm
I say we send Johnny Damon deer hunting and end this BS.
You haven’t heard him mentioned as a trade option because he can rake, swipe a bag, and play gold glove caliber D. Those type of guys with 5 years of team control aren’t exactly on the market.
November 30th, 20105:08 pm
So much for Theriot replacing Omar…acquired by the Cardinals.
November 30th, 20105:10 pm
McLouth will not be as bad as he was last year. (not a stretch to say that)
If he returns to his career norms, he will be as good as JD. McLouth is not terrible on defense. He for some reason was reluctant to throw the ball last year. Not sure why, but his D is at worst average.
November 30th, 20105:17 pm
Maybe it was the fact that he saw 3 of everything, including Heyward continuously making him crap his pants everytime he came within 50 ft of him.
November 30th, 20105:18 pm
Go with Young over Diaz..Diaz is a….. one trick pony…..and not worth 2.45 million . Hinske is worth more than Diaz. Let Diaz go! Wren can find better.
Sign Hinske for 2 million are forget it.
What about Felipe Lopez for utility player?
Go after Jon Rauch for rp.
November 30th, 20105:19 pm
Not so suure Heyward was an issue with Nate banging off the left field wall like a pinball. No matter what anyone says about Melky, he was a suitable buffer.
November 30th, 20105:20 pm
Wren will have a tough job putting together a viable bench unless he can locate someone with Infante’s versatility.
The decision he makes on Hinske will likely determine the fates of both Diaz & Conrad, especially Conrad. Since Conrad can’t play SS (can he really play defense anywhere?), one of the 4 non-catcher bench players will have to be able to play SS.
Braves also need a RH hitter who can play CF, which probably rules out Diaz if Hinske re-signs. The fact that the Cards just dumped Mather does not speak well of him, since they are not exactly blessed with depth at the positions he plays.
One good thing about having Gonzalez as manager is that he will likely be more open to utilizing players at different positions. If I was Prado, I’d plan on bringing a bunch of gloves to ST. He probably won’t need his 2B glove much, but will need ones for 3B and 1B, where he is first in line to spell Freeman against LH pitchers.
Another factor Wren has to consider is the worst case scenario that could require a whole bunch of personnel decisions. What if Chipper can’t cut it any more? Prado can play 3B, but that leaves gaping holes in the OF, especially if McLouth can’t regain his past form.
Because neither Hinske nor Diaz can play CF, the Braves have no Plan B on their current roster for the position if the McLouth of 2010 is the McLouth of 2011.
And what happens in the unlikely eventuality that the Braves overestimated Freeman’s ability and he isn’t ready yet? That’s more reason to re-sign Hinske, who can at least fill in until an adequate replacement is found.
The 2 players best suited to filling multiple holes are Bill Hall & Melvin Mora, although Mora doesn’t play SS or CF. Hall will probably be pricier than the Braves would prefer, but would certainly provide the maximum flexibilty and allow the Braves to keep the rest of their bench intact.
That would be a heck of an offensive bench — Hall, Hinske, Diaz, Conrad & Ross. It may or may not make up for the obvious defensive deficiencies, but no matter what lineup Gonzalez fills out, it will have offensive threats from 1 to 8,
Assuming, of course, McLouth can hit higher than .190.
November 30th, 20105:23 pm
Big Donkeys fans…now that was funny!
November 30th, 20105:27 pm
While I agree with a lot of your 5:20 post, I do have to argue this statement:
“The fact that the Cards just dumped Mather does not speak well of him, since they are not exactly blessed with depth at the positions he plays.”
The Cardinals have Holliday, Rasmus, Jay, Craig, and Stavinoha in their OF, not to mention the fact that Skip Schumaker was an OF until a couple of seasons ago. They have a ton of OF depth, which is why they didn’t keep Mather around.
November 30th, 20105:36 pm
Lew,did you say Melky was a suitable buffer or buffeter? My hearing is not as good as it used to be.
The Cards don’t have GREAT depth though.
Jay was considered good which was why they dumped Ludwick, but now they’ve already soured on him a bit with his 2nd half of the season AFTER they traded Ludwick.
Craig is an unproven now and they are not certain he could perform if given adequate playing time (similar to Mather) and Stavinoha is nothing more than a 4th OF and that is already known very early in his career…
Mather was let go because he was out of options.
Felipe Lopez? Do you really think the Braves would bring on that head case if they let ***** go at SS last year?!
NOT gonna happen!
Enquiring Minds Want to Know
November 30th, 20105:37 pm
Diaz has a little expericence at 1B. Do you suppose he could be coached-up enough to be the RH backup to Freeman?
November 30th, 20105:41 pm
Mr Baseball you have some good points. I agree Bill Hall could make the biggest diffence in this team making the play-off because of his ability to play 6 position above average and hit for power. The only problem is Braves can’t afford him..per some ajc sports people .
Its just how much the Braves management wants to win…………Go Braves.
Thanks DOB for all up-dates.
November 30th, 20105:43 pm
everybody safe down in Georgia after the storm?
November 30th, 20105:46 pm
CB – But wouldn’t a suitable buffeter be a suitable buffer, too?
In case any of you are interested, over his past 10 games, MATT YOUNG has gone 15 for 33 for a .455 BA, 4 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR and slugged .727. He’s stolen a base, drawn 10 walks against four strikeouts for a .578 OBP, and a 1.305 OPS. Oh, and he currently leads the MEXICAN LEAGUE in hitting with an overall .382 BA. in 144 AB’s. I mean…………damn, as in MEN IN BLACK 1, WIL SMITH, “get a decorator in here” damn!!!!!
November 30th, 20105:47 pm
P-Town Brave: technically, it’s misleading to say Mather was “let go.” Cards thought they could sneak him through waivers, or at least hoped to. They didn’t want to use a 40-man roster spot on him this winter as they put together their team, figured they’d wait and let him compete for spot in spring if healthy.
Not so sure that teaching a player who is sub par at his usual position how to play a new position on the fly is such a great move.
November 30th, 20105:48 pm
RC, well said at 5:07 p.m., regarding Angel Pagan.
November 30th, 20105:51 pm
“Get Out The WAYYY! (Boom) Pretty Boy Coming Through! Me And My Crew! We Swaggin In The Room!”
Whats Up All?
November 30th, 20105:52 pm
Well Lew, Diaz can still bend his knees, at least. Its more than Troy Glaus can say.
November 30th, 20105:54 pm
and to put presure on the pitcher.It worked for San Fran. ward
what do you mean it worked for SF? They stole fewer bases during the season than any team in the NL. Mets led the league, lotsa good that did them huh?
Enquiring Minds Want to Know
November 30th, 2010
Diaz has a little expericence at 1B. Do you suppose he could be coached-up enough to be the RH backup to Freeman?
Two games and a total of 2.2 innings played at first. NO is the answer…… to my mind at any rate although I’m sure he would be perfectly willing to try. No, I think the issue is 2.55 Mill, and what you get from DIAZ vs. what you can get with someone else for less money and their individual abilities.
I mean it’s not my money. It’s JOHN MALONE’s and LIBERTY’s money. I’m sure they would be willing if the org wanted it that way.
November 30th, 20105:55 pm
You never know with a new chief in town..I was waiting for that. It could work?
If the Braves don’t have to spend much to fill out the last 2 spots in the bullpen, there should be money available for Hall. Uggla will make about what it cost for Wagner & Saito, and Hall won’t cost more than Glaus & Cabrera combined, if that.
With Hall and 2 modestly priced relievers, I’m guessing the team’s total salary will be no more than last year, maybe less if they can unload a good chunk of KK’s salary.
Signing Hall answers a whole lot of questions, not the least of which is a potential stop-gap starter in CF if McLouth is as lousy as he was last year. And it lets the team keep all 3 of its quality hitters off the bench, which will not happen if the Braves don’t sign/trade for someone with Hall’s versatility.
beekay, you can’t afford to have such a limited positional player on the bench making $4 mill or whatever Damon will command, and you can’t just sign him assuming McLouth will stink. Barring a horrid spring, McLouth is starting. Maybe even if he has a horrid spring, he’s starting. It’d probably take a good month of struggling to begin the season before he’d be benched.
So there just doesn’t seem like there’s any room for Damon, as things currently stand. He’s going to sign somewhere to play, and not to be a fourth outfielder. And the Braves can’t really afford to pay McLouth and Damon a combined $11 mill or so, when Prado is penciled in for LF and Heyward is in RF. That’s why they’re hoping Schafer or Young will be ready, unless they add another player with CF ability this winter.
Oh, and you needn’t remind me of the Damon/Braves prior dalliance — if you recall, I was the one who suggested early last fall that Damon would be a good fit for the Braves, long before they made that mid-winter offer for him.
That was then. Situation is very different. Heyward is obviously no longer a question mark (a year ago there was still some question), and Prado is penciled in for LF and McLouth for CF.
November 30th, 20105:57 pm
You off that gangsta’ rap yet?
but there were numerous times where we should have bunted or hit an ran. P’Cola
I’ll agree on the hit and run,
If you mean sacrifice bunts by other than a pitcher or on a VERY limited late inning sitution, i will not agree with that. There is a reason that the say “If they wanna give up an out, we’ll take it”
From Last Nite…? Damn D.O.B. u were up that early?
November 30th, 2010
[Martini Is Our Number 2 hitter by default…He is the 2010 version of Placido Polanco in his prime but with more power
The only way Martini Leads off is if Nate Dawg has another garbage April — Chef Tomahawkin]
“That’s not how Fredi G. viewed it as of a couple weeks ago. He said after the Uggla signing that most of his lineups had Prado hitting leadoff and McLouth batting second. That’s if McLouth is hitting, of course. If he had a terrible spring, I’m fairly certain the lineup would look different at the top.”
I had to agree with Matt Chernoff a few weeks ago on that I still see Nate Nawg as our leadoff hitter by Default since he possess the speed to be a threat on the bases…
If he struggles the first month then either move him to 8th or “Old Yeller” the kid?
And what happened to his Gold Glove Caliber Defense that a lot of people (not you) said he possessed? He reminds me of Schafer out there with his beat arm and the way he Judges fly balls
November 30th, 20106:01 pm
Chef Tomahawkin: As Nas said, “sleep is the cousin of death.”
November 30th, 20106:02 pm
If (and I recognize its a very big if) Diaz could play a serviceable 1B, then you have a right-handed PH who can back-up at 2 positions. I don’t think the Braves, or anybody else, will pay 2.5 million for that. Diaz is going to have to readjust his expectations I think.
You off that gangsta’ rap yet?”
I’m glad you asked that my man…And ugghhh No…I listen to 97.1 The River (old rock) the river all day at work when I’m not listening to Matt and Chernoff on 680AM
and with that in mind its time to bump that old Warren J, “This DJ” Biz Markie, and some old Dawg Pound. That stuff still goes Hard!
Then I will switch it up later to some old New Jack Swing Genre of music…
November 30th, 20106:04 pm
Agree Mr. Baseball…I hope Hall is signed..it would also free Prado( to stay in lf) in case something happen to Chipper..so many advantage for Fredi with Bill Hall on board..
I struggle with anyone suggesting we bat Nate anywhere but in lower part of batting order,the top five hitters in lineup should be Prado,Chipper,Heyward,Uggla and McCann in some mixed order. Any other suggestions is ludicrous.
If the Braves don’t have to spend much to fill out the last 2 spots in the bullpen, there should be money available for Hall. Uggla will make about what it cost for Wagner & Saito, and Hall won’t cost more than Glaus & Cabrera combined, if that. — mr baseball
You’re going to drive yourself crazy trying to figure payroll that way. It doesn’t work. You’re not taking into account the arbitration raises for guys like Prado, Jurrjens and Moylan, the multi-year contract raises for McLouth and McCann (about $4 mill for those two guys, including McLouth’s buyout), plus small raises for all the second- and third-year guys.
November 30th, 20106:07 pm
I’m not even going to talk about adding any more players til Hinske Leaves…
With that said I can Taste Kevin Gregg Wearing a braves uni in a few weeks…
November 30th, 20106:08 pm
Not to Mention 9 more weeks til my Athlon Sports Baseball Magazine Comes Out…That is usually the signal of baseball…
November 30th, 20106:09 pm
Matt Young is looking better everyday!
November 30th, 20106:13 pm
“With that said I can Taste Kevin Gregg Wearing a braves uni in a few weeks…”
kinda like sucking on a turd, dont ya think? kevin gregg is not that good…
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