10:08 pm November 29, 2010, by David O'Brien
December 5th, 201010:59 am
“The Reds have a habit of taking failed prospects and getting production out of them for cheap.”
Dude, that is what you said and what I’ve commented on. I repeat – it hasn’t helped the Reds do anything positive in the past twenty years – until last year.
Besides, this is a zero sum argument. What makes you actually believe the Braves will sign this person or that they should follow Cincinnati’s business model which has NOT worked.
Enough of the crap in. We already have enough Lightning in a BOttle players in waiting and just dumped our very own trouble maker (for much lesser offenses and disturbing team harmony) like a live grenade. Why would you think they’d get someone else like that?
December 5th, 201011:02 am
We do have a new manager that may have a different approach to problem players. I’m not saying we should sign every iffy player available, but giving a guy like Milledge a chance wouldn’t kill us if it didn’t work out.
December 5th, 201011:04 am
They can cut a minimum salary player? Really? Thanks for letting me know about that.
Dude – Has nothing whatsoever to do with money here (unless it’s having to give Nate a chance becaus of what he’s owed). It hasn’t got anything to do with what Milledge wouldcost them in salary.
When was the last time the Braves picked up an acknowledged trouble maker? How about one who’s consistently not come up to expectations for any team he’s played for.
This is not the type of player targeted by the Braves and just because Fredi will be there instad of BC, I don’t see this trend changing.
It’s not amatter of giving a guy a chance – it’s giving THIS particular guy a chance.
December 5th, 201011:07 am
Owl – We have a new manager who just got fired for putting an unruly player in his place and refusing to put up with crap. Not sure how this equates to a change in poicy, especially when the poilicy will still be implemented by the same front office that’s been doing it that way for twenty years.
December 5th, 201011:12 am
I’m not saying they should “target” this kind of player. My point is that maybe Fredi may be able to reach players in a different way, and when there is a talented player availagle for almost nothing, there isn’t any harm in inviting him to spring training, and seeing if there’s anything there. McClouth deserves a chance to get his job back, but there’s no guarantee that he will. We’ve gotta keep our eyes open. I don’t have a firm belief that Milledge would work out, but I don’t believe that it’s a lock that he wouldn’t.
Well, I certainly have better things to do that discuss Lastings Freaking Milledge. Besides, I’ve said all I have to say on the topic.
If the Braves DO go out and get him, I’ll acknowledge TommyP’s genius and admit I was wrong (while lamenting the Braves change of behavioral direction). But we know that won’t need to happen cause he ain’t gonna be a Brave.
Later Denizens, enjoy your Sunday.
December 5th, 201011:13 am
He got fired by the Marlins/Loria. That doesn’t count.
December 5th, 201011:16 am
Also, inviting Milledge, or a similar player to Spring Training isn’t exactly a “change in behavioral direction.” Signing him to a huge contract, and giving him a starting job might be. It’s a low risk move.
December 5th, 201011:17 am
Fredi got fired because he disciplined a player – in the Braves organisation (in previous years and in the foreseeable future) the player gets the boot not the manager.
December 5th, 201011:21 am
Exactly! If it were any other organization than the Marlins, I’d have questions. The Marlins are a joke, and Fredi got fired for something that he’d be commended for in ATL.
December 5th, 201011:40 am
And the ‘Lamecocks’ did just as I thought…….
Got blowed away by the ‘$camsters’ …….
THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE….. (meaning SC).
December 5th, 201011:53 am
Milledge seemed to clean his act up some in Pitt. He will forever be known for his antics in WSH and NYM. I’ve heard/read several times that McCutchen was a very good influence on Milledge as far as how to be professional and act accordingly. The guy has a lot of ability and may not be a terrible pickup. There seems to be mutual interest for him to stay in Pitt which is where he’ll probably land. But as far as looking at whats available, he may be one of the best options. You just have to weigh the good with the bad with him and determine if your willing to take the chance.
My reservations with Milledge would have more to do with his total lack of value to this team. The Braves shipped Esco when he still had value as a fielder if not as a hitter, but Milledge offers nothing except a checkered history. He isn’t a very good MLB player and he never has been. If we take on ‘tude, then it better come with some talent.
December 5th, 201011:59 am
I wouldn’t spend significant money on Milledge, but I would definitely invite him to Spring Training, and take it from there.
December 5th, 201012:00 pm
I think the Braves should just let Young and Schafer battle it out. Both have speed and can play CF. Let the Bat decide who makes the team.
December 5th, 201012:03 pm
I like Young, but Schafer has a long road to make it back to the show. I haven’t seen anything that makes me think he’s a major leaguer yet.
December 5th, 201012:07 pm
Pre-injury, Schafer showed he could handle the MLB. He may not put up Heyward type rookie numbers. You never know with Schafer, he was unexpected to be on the 40 man the year he broke camp with the Braves and came out the starter. The kid could show up and suprise again. You never know. Personally I’m on the Young bandwagon. I think he does a lot of things good and could be a great addition to the team this year.
December 5th, 201012:08 pm
No BRAVES in action yesterday.
DH BARBARO CANIZARES goes 1-4, 1 RBI (29), .317 BA.
CF MATT YOUNG has a rare o’fer night in MEXICO going 0-3, 2 BB, 1 SO, .364 BA and falling out of the batting lead.
His weakest stat is with the bases empty where he ‘only’ hits .319, .844 OPS. With runners on it soars to an astronomical .426, 1.159 OPS; runners in scoring position .417 BA, 1.048 OPS. He hits equally well against lefties or righties, day, night. He’s just tearing it up in fall ball. And these are not small sample sizes either. 60+ AB’s in every catagory I have mentioned except day games where he’s only had four AB’s and gone 2-4. I mean………damn!
C ORLANDO MERCADO has a night at the plate yesterday going 4-4 and missing the cycle by a double while raising his BA to a solid .303.
The 24 year-old 5′9″ 220 right-handed hitting stump appears ready to give AA pitchers a lesson in swat this coming year, and is on the cusp of replacing either CLINT SAMMONS or JC BOSCAN in GWINNETT later in 2011. This despite being shellacked in very limited appearances at the plate late in AAA’s season. If he continues to improve at the plate as he has since the inception of fall ball in PUERTO RICO, he might be ready somewhere in July-August to move up.
Make no mistake, he still needs offensive improvement, but his bat is beginning to stir. His line last night; 4-4, 1 R, 0 2B, 1 3B (1), 1 HR (1), 4 RBI (12), 1 BB, 0 SO. Even though his BA is higher against left-handers (.316 in 18 AB’s), his overall numbers against righties (.298 BA in 47 AB’s) are better. His OBP is .316 against lefties, but .453 against righties which is almost three times the # of AB’s. Slugging .389 (left-handers) vs. .511 (right-handers) with a .709 OPS vs. lefties and .965 vs. righties. If he ever starts seeing southpaws like he does RH’ers look out!
YES-S-S!!!! LH/RP LUIS AVILAN finally has a solid outing in middle relief going 3.0 IP, 1 BB, 3 SO while lowereing his ERA to a recognizable 5.63. No back-sliding now LUIS. Keep up the good work you’ve been doing lately.
LH/RP CRISTHIAN MARTINEZ finally gets a fourth fall ball outing going 2.0 innings of middle relief, allowing 4 hits, but only 1 unearned run, a SO, and lowers his ERA to 2.25, .290 AvAg.
DH OSMAN MARVAL goes 0-3, 2 SO, .266 BA.
Steve from OH
Schafer is a great athlete with a lot of tools who is (apparently) healthy for the first time in a while. Don’t count him out. Dude probably needs some time in AAA, of course, but he might surprise us this season.
This year I would take Young. I’d keep Schafer in the minors all year, and see if he can get it back. If he improves, I’d take a look at him in September.
December 5th, 201012:09 pm
Lew: Dude, that is what you said and what I’ve commented on. I repeat – it hasn’t helped the Reds do anything positive in the past twenty years – until last year.
Yes it did. It helped the Reds beef up their bench. It occasionally brought them a starter. To blame all of the Reds troubles over the past 20 years on this is beyond absurd.
December 5th, 201012:10 pm
I really think Schafer should just spend another season in AAA and take over after Nate’s gone. I still believe he can be a average to solid major leaguer. He should make the team if he has a great spring tho.
December 5th, 201012:11 pm
December 5th, 201012:16 pm
Schafer still needs to prove himself. I wissh him luck, but even with a good spring, he needs more seasoning. Remember, he got demoted in the minors this year. He can be a good player, but I don’t think we can trust him on the big club just yet. It would be great if he can take over for McClouth in 2012, though. That means less money we have to spend.
NO to LASTINGS MILLEDGE. He’s doing moderately well in fall ball (.276 BA), but I saw enough of this guy as a GNAT. Swat him is my philosophy.
December 5th, 201012:20 pm
I say no to Millege as well. He was a great prospect who never panned out. The Nationals were lucky to have recieved Nyjer Morgan who played awesome in the 2nd half of the season he was traded, Nyjer’s been downhill ever sense but still a better player than Lasting’s.
McFann O O
December 5th, 201012:22 pm
Uga-brave macc, is a decent hitter but to ask him hit four or five, is over his head.…he is not a cleanup guy, nor is he a fifth hole hitter.
BMac’s stats batting fifth
Not over his head at all. (PLEASE NOTE: Last year (2010) he only batted fifth against LEFTIES.)
December 5th, 201012:23 pm
Remember, he got demoted in the minors this year. He can be a good player, but I don’t think we can trust him on the big club just yet. It would be great if he can take over for McClouth in 2012, though. That means less money we have to spend.
But, we can’t keep forgetting that he was playing hurt for most of the last two seasons. That’s a key point a lot of people are missing. You can’t extract a lot of information from his statistical performance based on that. I agree with you that having him ready to fill in for Nate in 2012 is ideal. I guess my point is that if he is truly healthy this year, he might surprise a lot of us, because he does have tremendous physical ability. You never know.
And OWLHUNTER, I usually agree with your sentiments, but in the case of MILLEDGE, I would catagorize him as high risk, low reward.
December 5th, 201012:25 pm
B-Mac has always hit well in the 5th hole. IMO thats where hes best suited. I’m hoping this year they just leave him in the 5 hole and hit Uggla 4.
December 5th, 201012:28 pm
December 5th, 201012:31 pm
What’s the high risk of signing someone to a minimum salary? And what’s the low reward of signing a young athletic guy with potential?
December 5th, 201012:32 pm
good find on the stats
Brian McCann is a great hitter. He’s not the typical Clean Up batter, but face it he was the best player suited for that spot on our roster. I do agree that he will be better suited in the 5 or 6 hole. Were lucky to have a “Elite” Hitting Catcher on our team, and the word DECENT should never be used when talking about McCann’s hitting. Period!
December 5th, 201012:36 pm
Steve from OH
In my opinion, Schafer has more to prove because of the HGH thing.
It’s not as much about Milledge as is about problem players/ reclamation projects. Lew argued that kicking the tires on Milledge would represent a change in organizational behavior. My argument was that signing him to a signifcant deal might mean that, but checking him out without fully commiting to him can’t hurt. I’m not particulalry high on him, and our season won’t hinge on him, but he has talent, and it’s ok by me to see if he checks out. I’d feel better about our CF situation if we gave some more guys a look. It’s probably going to wind up being Matt Young. I could live with that.
December 5th, 201012:38 pm
Thanks! I always have those handy.
He’s not the typical Clean Up batter, but face it he was the best player suited for that spot on our roster.
Oh, heck, I know that. But now that we do have the “ideal” cleanup hitter, I feel even stronger about getting BMac outta that spot. Haha, and everyone else should, too, ’cause if our manager puts BMac back in that spot this year, I’ll be even more impossible to live with. But, I guess that way BMac would still have better “protection” with Uggla behind him…
Were lucky to have a “Elite” Hitting Catcher on our team
Oh yeah! I think sometimes we even take it for granted a little bit…
December 5th, 201012:40 pm
Batting 4th, 5th, 6th, blah blah blah….there’s one thing we can all agree on: B-Mac is slow.
December 5th, 201012:41 pm
I bet Mac has a good year hitting in a spot he’s more suited to. He won’t have to carry the offense. I can see his numbers increasing this season.
Catchers are slow.
December 5th, 201012:43 pm
I’m letting myself get all annoyed _ cab
Owl Hunter – it’s called “Pushing McFann’s buttons”
“The Andy Griffith Show” is the worst television program in the history of television.
Uggla should be the Cleanup Hitter with McCann batting 5th. Either way teams will still challenge McCann. I’m sure will see Uggla get pitched around a bit to face McCann. I’d like to see this.
McLouth (if has decent spring)
December 5th, 201012:44 pm
Yea Mac is slow but most catchers are. One of the funniest things I’ve seen baseball related was Mac getting a triple and his head first slide into third was more of a flop. I was laughing and so was the entire Braves bench if I remember correctly.
December 5th, 201012:45 pm
DOB’s stepping on his flight right about now.
But his luggage is halfway to Honduras
I agree. Ha, but I shouldn’t get too cocky—never works out. Just see what happened this past season…
jeffrey d there’s one thing we can all agree on: B-Mac is slow.
Bleh. But for the most part, he’s a smart base-runner, and that’s what matters. Not his fault our 3B coach gives him bum-steers every now and then…
I must say that I like our lineup alot more this upcoming season.
December 5th, 201012:46 pm
jeffrey d “The Andy Griffith Show” is the worst television program in the history of television.
After it went color, sure.
Loved. That. Triple!
P’Cola – It’s called “Pushing McFann’s buttons.”
Icee’s are the worst tasting drinks in the history of beverages.
December 5th, 201012:48 pm
jeffrey d Icee’s are the worst tasting drinks in the history of beverages.
NOW you’ve gone to far, Mister!! Don’t make me come over there…
You’re gonna wanna watch it, too—I haven’t had lunch yet…
December 5th, 201012:49 pm
If Milledge was to be signed, would you expect him to be on the big league roster or in the minors?
If he was in the bigs he would have to be the 4th outfielder cause McNate’s money owed. The 4th outfielders job is defense, not his bat. How is his defense? (Im not sure, but Im guessing its not great)
December 5th, 201012:51 pm
I think the Braves should just let Young and Schafer battle it out. Both have speed and can play CF. Let the Bat decide who makes the team. _ VaBravesFan
Okay, I’ll let you know.
December 5th, 201012:52 pm
Personally I’m hoping the Braves fill the 4th OF internally and settle for signing a MIF. Cristian Guzman is on the top of my list for that.
(During Monday night football ….)
I honestly don’t know what to do…it’s so weird to watch a game where I don’t have at least one moment blinding hopelessness… (cabravesfan)
I’m hoping my Packers will be able keep your hands full today, m’LAdy. (Soft objects, girl, only throw soft objects at the TV.)
December 5th, 201012:54 pm
I’ll stop, McFann. I’m not having the best day, so I guess I’m trying to make other peoples’ days worse too.
-The 49ers stink, and so does Calculus (CAB and VJ)
-Martin Prado had a fluke season last year and will become KJ’s backup by July (Soph and RHR)
-Kelly SUCKS (Steve)
-Why is DOB flying to Orlando? Another vacation?? (DOB)
-Logan Sheypheur has big ears (Roman Gal)
-Bobby Cox is the most brilliant manager in the history of managing (Don and Robert)
-ESPN and the Black Eyed Peas RULE!!! (Tomahawkin)
December 5th, 201012:56 pm
Hi I don’t throw things at my TV- cost too much to get a new one. And being forced to watch via computer (not the game, mind you, all I get is the GameDay graphics) makes for slightly less yelling (although VJ might dispute me on that one)…and as for today, I feel the entire game will be one long moment of blinding hopelessness…but I hope to be wrong.
OF Jordan or Young
December 5th, 201012:57 pm
You can’t insult me with the truth
The Braves already have a few question marks in Chipper’s health, Freeman’s rookie year and McLouth’s ability to bounce back and who knows what becomes of Schafer. Why would they gamble on Milledge- who could be a bigger question mark (physically and mentally) than any of those afore mentioned uncertainties. Milledge makes zero percent sense for this team.
December 5th, 201012:59 pm
and as for today, I feel the entire game will be one long moment of blinding hopelessness…but I hope to be wrong.
No offense, cabravesfan, but your trash-talking could use a little work.
December 5th, 20101:00 pm
You can’t insult me with the truth
Ditto to what Tom said
Aw, nah, it’s OK. I don’t mind when I know the person’s not being serious…
I’m sorry you’re not having a good day.
December 5th, 20101:02 pm
Tom & Jeffrey-
Please…I may be a proud and loyal 49ers fan, but I am not delusional!
Are you afraid watching the game online will mess up your computer?
McFann – like with your burn last night ( ) I’ll live
December 5th, 20101:03 pm
Smack talk goes beyond records
December 5th, 20101:04 pm
I know this, but so does the depth of the 49ers suck. Their D is good, but…
December 5th, 20101:06 pm
especially when the Niners are playing without their best player…
December 5th, 20101:07 pm
December 5th, 20101:08 pm
I couldn’t have done it without my supporting cast Cam Hollywood Newton
Franklin … Hamilton …….. good lord, dude
Without my supporting couch my ass would be sitting on the floor.
December 5th, 20101:09 pm
Hey- we’re winning! Let me relish in the moment….
December 5th, 20101:10 pm
we are also on our 3rd field goal kicker in the last 3 weeks…
December 5th, 20101:11 pm
Uh-oh, it looks like the Niners just broke up your ” one long moment of blinding hopelessness…” with the lead.
Sadly, they did not…I refuse to let myself get excited. I have learned that only leads to shattering disappointment
December 5th, 20101:12 pm
I know where Bat’s bottom is
December 5th, 20101:13 pm
does anybody know when Chipper is going to be on CMT?
Roethlisberger listed as questionable
At best, creep.
December 5th, 20101:14 pm
cabravesfan, if I keep talking to you I may start crying.
December 5th, 20101:15 pm
Ugh…The Quarterback is hurt again…prepare for a week of “will he or won’t he play?” crap, complete with it’s own headline on the ESPN scroll…
Chipper wasn’t on there after all. Josh Beckett introduced Jason Aldean instead. Guess Chipper was on another hunting excursion.
December 5th, 20101:16 pm
Accept it and move on…I have
December 5th, 20101:17 pm
and now the Niners’ best corner goes down…
December 5th, 20101:21 pm
A ruse, jeffery d. Otherwise people will question my longevity. The “Loved by Everyone” part though, well what can I say.
December 5th, 20101:23 pm
jeffrey d like with your burn last night ( ) I’ll live
Well, that’s good, I guess.
I’m not in the best humor, either—I think the QT by our house is making a permanent change in their crushed ice. Today it was like all the other QTs’—not so “crushed”, ya know what I mean? It’s more like cubed ice, and their cubed ice is something between Chick-fil-a’s and like…Burger King’s.
Anyway, I’m totally crushed by it.
December 5th, 20101:26 pm
Bat – two very funny back-to-back quips….nicely done
Anyway, I’m totally crushed by it. McFann
VABravesFan, or a lineup like this:
Prado, Jones, Heyward, Uggla, McCann, Gonzalez, Freeman, McLouth
Poor Mac though will get pitched around like a mother fu@!# with AGon behind him. However, Mac has a great eye, so he could pile up the walks.
December 5th, 20101:29 pm
Y’all might as well give up trying to figure out who the Braves could or should get because Wren will once again surprise everybody again in some way or another on that possible bench guy. I do think he’ll sign somebody this time. Maybe it won’t be such a surprise. SOmeone like Bill Hall who can play multiple IF positions.
I’m going to find that article on Linebrink that one of the Sox fans wrote on him and link it. Gimme a minute
December 5th, 20101:31 pm
I’m not in the best humor, either—I think the QT by our house is making a permanent change in their crushed ice.
Crushed heart, hopes and dreams v ice.
Hang in there, jeffery time … time .. time … and friends
And see? Now there is a flicker of hope! This can only end badly…
December 5th, 20101:32 pm
December 5th, 20101:36 pm
I guess Linebrink does suck, but at least Wren got money in return. Then the chance he could bounce back some in the NL again is there too.
December 5th, 20101:45 pm
It’s DOB Going to an Paid Vacation to Disney?…It Nothing to report on the Braves Front need week..we’re done. He problaly going to report about ex-Braves sign with the Phillis (Frenchy/Diaz).
December 5th, 20101:46 pm
As much as this fan as praised most of Wren’s moves the last few winters, especially this one, I think he could’ve done better than Scott Linebrink. That might be ignorant to say because he hasn’t thrown a pitch for us yet, but he might’ve rushed on the RP thing. Might have, I don’t know, I’m not involved. I just think the pen is so improtant because even getting Uggla this team still won’t score a ton of runs and the pen will be involved in plenty of close games throught the season and we need a solid pen. Look at this year and how the pen pretty much gave us a playoff spot.
Kimbrel, Venters, Moylan, Linebrink, EOF, Martinez and whoever that 7th man will be …. not a bad pen, but you have one inexperienced kid closing games and Venters threw a ton of innings in his rookie season. Moylan is getting fatter by the week and Linebrink appears to be another Farnsworth, always getting in trouble on the mound.
December 5th, 20101:49 pm
looks like that adrian gonzalez trade might not happen afterall……
December 5th, 20101:50 pm
jeffrey d Pun intended?
Bat M Crushed heart, hopes and dreams v ice.
Not sure how I’ll be able to go on…
All ice should be like the Varsity’s: shaved! That is the greatest ice on the planet.
December 5th, 20101:52 pm
TnBrian Poor Mac though will get pitched around…with AGon behind him.
Oh no…not again…PLEASE not AGAIN!!!
Maybe he should bat fourth…
December 5th, 20101:53 pm
It seems obvious to me that Wren saw a chance to get a vet out of the pen with a team paying most of remaining money without giving up a good prospect and he jumped at it. We could’ve used another year of Wagner I think to give Kimbrel a little more time to ease in the closer role. Venters worries me and the innings that piled up on his arm. Thanks Bobby.
December 5th, 20101:54 pm
Here we go, jeffrey:
December 5th, 20101:55 pm
Hang in there, jeffery time … time .. time … and friends
I don’t get it…
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