1:09 pm November 23, 2010, by Carroll Rogers
November 23rd, 20101:11 pm
I hope we renegotiate to 2 years 2.5 million.
November 23rd, 20101:15 pm
he’s worth 2 years 2.5 mil.
November 23rd, 20101:16 pm
We need this guy. Signing him should be a priority.
November 23rd, 20101:17 pm
yea after what hinske has done and offering him pretty much the same contract for next year doesnt sound good =/
Chris from the Rock
November 23rd, 20101:18 pm
Go ahead and sign with the Brewers if you want to be on a 4th place squad. They have no pitching beyond Gallardo.
November 23rd, 20101:29 pm
True Chris from the Rock. I up his 1 year deal to 1.75 or 2 million and see what happens
November 23rd, 20101:30 pm
gotta keep him
November 23rd, 20101:32 pm
Hey, what about me?
November 23rd, 20101:37 pm
It would be a shame if he jumped ship. But being near his hometown might be too tempting. If he goes, he’d be missed. Hope the Braves give him a little more love in the form of another 250k or so.
Billy Jack's Barbecue & Shrimp
November 23rd, 20101:39 pm
No doubt, Eric was a catalyst and leader in the clubhouse, particularly when Chipper went down. Does anyone know where Eric lives now? That would seem to play more importance than his hometown…..
November 23rd, 20101:42 pm
Braves have to keep this guy. After losing Infante, he needs to be in Atlanta for another two years at least. I would rather have him over Diaz any day.
game 3 witness
November 23rd, 20101:44 pm
Carrol. It was the game winner until an un-named player made a huge error.
Had Kimbrel been given his full opportunity, they’d a won it without a question, minus the error.
Is Rick Sund running the Braves now? This sounds like an offer that the Hawks always try. Come on Braves, don’t be second rate like the management of the Hawks.
November 23rd, 20101:47 pm
Braves need to sign Hinske…but if they can’t…they just simply keep Matty Diaz to fill in that role.
Hinske generally doesn’t stay in one place too long. He should go to the Brewers. If we really want him bad enough, we can try to bring him back at the trade deadline.
November 23rd, 20101:48 pm
Hinske is a valuable piece. He has been to the playoffs every year for four straight. This is no coincidence, he brings a bunch to the table. Sign him Frank and make it snappy! Don’t make me come down there.
Winters in Miwaulkee suck !
I hope Hinske stays with the Braves. He is a glue piece for sure.
November 23rd, 20101:55 pm
if he goes, Milwaukee is a good place, not in the fivision.
November 23rd, 20101:57 pm
I like Matt Diaz but this year Eric Hinske was the man.You felt confident he could get the big hit when he stepped up to the plate,not so much with Matt.Hope they both stay though.GO BRAVES!!! Come on February.
November 23rd, 20102:06 pm
What does anybody think of David Ross and a prospect to the Red Sox for Jacoby Ellsbury? Looks like Victor Martinez is going to the Tigers
November 23rd, 20102:08 pm
Hey bring that great center fielder, oh whats his name, Andrew Jones back.
November 23rd, 20102:11 pm
Make him an offer, he can’t refuse.
November 23rd, 20102:18 pm
Does anyone know anything about this report from mlbtraderumors?
“•The Braves have signed four players, according to Eddy (all links go to Twitter). Outfielder Jose Constanza, 27, batted .319/.373/.394 at Triple-A for the Indians; 28-year-old infielder Ed Lucas hit .307/.398/.480 at Triple-A for the Royals; utilityman Wilkin Castillo can catch and play in the infield and outfield, but hasn’t hit Triple-A pitching and Shawn Bowman, 25, hit 22 homers at Double-A.”
November 23rd, 20102:20 pm
SHow the man some love!
November 23rd, 20102:25 pm
need him bad
November 23rd, 20102:26 pm
“had the Braves bullpen not given up the lead again in the ninth” ??????
this should read more like . “had the Braves second baseman not given up the lead again in the ninth”
November 23rd, 20102:27 pm
Giants should consider themselfs luckyyyyyy cuz now its geting Ugllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
Braves Fan in N.Y.
November 23rd, 20102:36 pm
There’s cheap and there’s cheap. C’mon, Wren. You can’t give Hinske a two-year deal for $4 million? Clutch hitter, great clubhouse guy, can play various positions. Let’s not ruin the chemistry this team has.
November 23rd, 20102:41 pm
Keep Hinske, let Diaz go, we need him here so lets GIT ER DONE!
Does it bother anybody here that after 15 yrs people still can’t spell Andruw Jones right? If people are such big Braves fans you would think they could spell Andruw right (there’s no E in his first name)
November 23rd, 20102:44 pm
Offer him 2 years 3 million…That should get it done
Dawgdad (The Original)
November 23rd, 20102:50 pm
All that is left of the Andruw Jones we knew is a much smaller shell. Put a picture of him up in the clubhouse and it will do about as much good as signing him to a contract.
November 23rd, 20103:06 pm
I guess location might be a temptation for Hinske, but not playing time. First base is currently manned by Prince Fielder in Milwaukee, while Ryan Braun is in left field. Barring injury, can’t see much PT for Hinske.
November 23rd, 20103:11 pm
Everyone was saying we MUST sign Eric Hinsky for long here but F Wern waited to long. It is an insult to offer same $ as last year when a guy was so valuable to a club. If was Erik Hinsky I wouldn’t come to Braves with same $ when I got an offer from Brewers.
November 23rd, 20103:22 pm
give him a 2 year deal at $2.8 million
November 23rd, 20103:24 pm
I AGREE with the make him an offer he can’t refuse comments, we need to keep this guy, we have a rookie slated to play first base, WE NEED A BACKUP and Hinske is a great off the bench guy, he’s worth two years, DON’T LET HIM GET AWAY WREN
SF Braves Fan
November 23rd, 20103:34 pm
The guy has clearly earned more than 1 year 1.5 million, and even if he hadn’t, he perfectly fills two needs the Braves have: left handed bench bat and backup for the rookie Freeman. Add to that the fact that by all accounts he has a good clubhouse presence and contributed to this team last year and it would be inexcusable for the Braves to allow him to get away to a team like that Brewers. I know we are a low/medium budget organization but we can afford to give a good guy who we need a reasonable offer. Come on, Frank, we want our Hinske!
November 23rd, 20103:37 pm
Hinske needs to come back to the hot ATL and shave his head again.
Hinske’s a great bench player for us, easily worth $1.5 million to us. Hope they sign him.
Wren will offer him more years and a little better deal. It is called business. If Hinske wants to be closer to “home” and play for a team with no pitching in a role behind the two best players on the team then that is what he will do. He is a good role player but still a role player and they tend to have extremely up/down years
November 23rd, 20103:40 pm
Need to keep Hinske, come on Wren, work your magic.
November 23rd, 20103:53 pm
51 runs batted in will be hard to replace for 1 bench player, we need Hinske. I got a feeling the Braves officials know it. As far as Andrew Jones (that’s with an e) up there can get a job, maybe he’ll buy another vowel, hmm, maybe a ‘u’ and then spell his name right (it’s really wrong, but who gives a s**t?
Just The Facts
November 23rd, 20104:18 pm
Jose Constanza ended up with the Indians because he didn’t want to be near N.Y. near his brother George who was on Seinfeld. He has no speed but is decent friends with the Steinbrenner family. Loves calzones too. Little on the heavy side.
November 23rd, 20104:29 pm
The Brewers website reported that Hinske called them. Frank Wren needs to rethink the last offer and double it!!! COME BACK TO ATLANTA ERIC HINSKE PLEASE!
November 23rd, 20104:34 pm
Erik Hinksy? Andrew Jones? Its crazy that so-called braves fans can’t speel their own players/former players names right
November 23rd, 20104:36 pm
I guess I should learn how to spell (speel) too
In Fredi I Trust
November 23rd, 20104:41 pm
I think Hinske will sign with the Brewers. I live in Green Bay Wisconsin and am only about a 45 minute drive from Hinske’s hometown of Menasha. I use to deliver in Menasha and I have heard people talk about the house where Hinske grew up and have driven past in many of times. Whether that is truly his childhood home I have no idea, but it was cool thinking that a player from my favorite team only grew up about 45 minutes from where I currently live. Of course I grew up in West Palm Beach Florida and that is how I became a Braves fan.
November 23rd, 20104:42 pm
For a bench bat like Hinske, I would go up to 2 years and 3 million. He was such a huge asset for the Braves last season.
Conyers Braves Fan
November 23rd, 20104:51 pm
I doubt the Braves will be able to sign him if the Brewers
offer is more than he was first offered by ATL. Given Milwaukee is close to his home town and the Braves did not
beat their offer, he is gone.
November 23rd, 20105:12 pm
Guys its not like the Braves are’nt going to sit around and let him leave. The first offer is just a starting point. Eric is on the record in saying that he wanted to stay here in ATL. Now that ATL knows what the Brewers are offering they will up the price and he will stay. Relax
November 23rd, 20105:36 pm
Yes…I agree. Up the terms to 2 years with a 3rd year option. I think Eric can be a great asset through the age of 35/36 at least.
November 23rd, 20105:41 pm
Hinske is MONEY! He came through so many times for us in the clutch, I’d really hate to lose him now.
November 23rd, 20106:04 pm
1 year at $2.2 M is a steal for us
November 23rd, 20106:13 pm
The Phiiies are also interested in Hinski per espn insiders. Didn’t Hinski say he would come back for 2 or 21/2 million. I read that somewhere. Yes we need to sign him. If we lose him and Omar who we already traded…we need to go after Bill Hall (if we can afford him). Most cheap players are gone.
Don’t go over two years (he is a little fat) and 2 years is a long time for utility players.
November 23rd, 20106:18 pm
I wouldn’t give A Jones a dime to play. Stop the re-run crap..If he was not good enough to stay forget him. I will never pay to watch him play.
November 23rd, 20106:43 pm
Just wanted to say thanks for all the expert advise on what I should do for the up-coming season. I try to read these blogs on a regular basis so I can make informed decisions about the club. John always did this, and I am trying to continue the tradition. Thanks again, and have a Happy Thanksgiving!
Younger Than That Now
November 23rd, 20106:51 pm
Personally, I had rather see just about anybody else take a hike from the Braves clubhouse but Hinske and Matt Diaz. Say what you will about their defense, speed or anything else, but bottom line is… they are both born HITTERS! Hinske works hard as does Matty D, and Matty D has never seen a pitch he didn’t like and can look as bad on one pitch and equally as good on the next as any hitter I’ve ever seen. So… do all that’s possible to sign Eric Hinske and Matt Diaz!!
Trey - 6
November 23rd, 20107:00 pm
I hope Hinske has fun on a fourth place team if he decides to leave the Braves.
November 23rd, 20107:34 pm
Hinske has a habit of changing teams every year. Probably will do again this year.
November 23rd, 20108:16 pm
Andruw was a hell of a player – today we’d be better off with him under contract ( cheap) than Chipper ( way too expensive)
Andruws stats compare favorably with chippers the last two seasons albeit less abs; he can still play a little D and run – chip’s on his last legs
Braves Fan Since 1966
November 23rd, 20108:24 pm
Hinske is a total winner and I hope we sign him. What a force when he plays!
November 23rd, 20108:28 pm
Matt Diaz is hardly Eric Hinske. That’s not even the same ballpark. Hinske is much more versatile and comes up with clutch hits. I think Diaz is a good person, but this team has to have Eric Hinske’s if they are to return to the postseason.
November 23rd, 20109:06 pm
To me signing Hinske is a must. His leadership, fire, and hustle are what the Bravos need.
November 23rd, 20109:24 pm
Why allthe bad spelling on the blog?
November 23rd, 20109:25 pm
Hooked on fonix worked for me! Now I need to get some of those Tom Emansky videos . . .
November 23rd, 20109:32 pm
We need Hinske back for sure. But we need a right hander to back up at firstbase and a veteran reliever Mr. Wren!!! I think McClouth with bounce back this year theres no way he can go from allstar with the pirates and fall off the earth with atlanta…maybe he should go spend some time with chipper and learn how to hit again.
November 24th, 201012:57 am
November 23rd, 2010
I agree with Bruce. Not in the fivision.
November 24th, 20101:13 am
Can we please just not be such cheap bastards for once and show the guy some respect?
The hit one of the most dramatic home runs in Braves history and then like that I got wiped from the record.
Soon as Bobby got his hands on the situation it was bound to end badly.
But that was arguably the greatest moment in the history of Turner Field. I mean, think about how many times we got victimized like that with late inning home runs and walk-offs off the bullpen over a twenty year span and for once a Brave stepped up and did it in front of 50,000 people who were finally getting to watch the Braves in the playoffs again.
I’m still trying to figure out how we lost that game but then again there are a lot of games I still don’t know how or why we lost.
Hinske was a hero for this team last year. They should give him what he’s asking for. He should be a Brave.
We can’t get rid of Omar and Hinske in the same month. That would be too much to take.
summer of 91
November 24th, 20106:08 am
um…. the bullpen didn’t really give that one up. shoulda never took kimbo out, and poor brooksy, he’s probably still drunk somewhere.
November 24th, 20106:47 am
Kiss Hinske goodbye !
Go get Jacoby Ellsbury for CF !
November 24th, 20107:23 am
We need to keep Hinske and would like to keep Lee but only for a year and much less money
November 24th, 20107:43 am
One year to stay on a contender or two years to move and know your going nowhere? Hummmmmm. I think actually I would stay to win. Then maybe after the winning I would go to a loser team but not before I got a ring.
November 24th, 20108:35 am
Ilike the idea of Jacoby Ellsbury for Ross and prospect to the Red Sox. We need a true legit leadoff with Stealability (new word) that will balance out the line-up……
1. Ellsbury (CF)
2. Prado (LF)
3. Heyward (RF)
4. Uggla (2B)
5. McCann (C)
6. Chipper (3B)
7. Freeman (1B)
Can u beat this line-up…..of course, check out Chipper’s place. He probably would draw a ton of walks in front of Freeman. If Chipper returns to a .333 hitting clip, then put him back in the 3 hole. You could put Heyward back in the two hole and move Prado down. Lots of flexibility if you SIGN ELLSBURY!! I like to see some true speed at the top of the line-up.
November 24th, 20108:36 am
Oooops…left off Gonzo plays SS
November 24th, 20109:16 am
I am trying to do an Ellsbury for Nate trade and then a Gonzales for Jeter trade. I will let you know when those are finalized.
November 24th, 201010:37 am
I just where Hinske is close to making a decision on who he will play for next year between the Braves and Brewers. His family is no doubt pushing him to play for the home team Brewers, but I have to assume that Hinske is wanting to play for a team like the Braves who are competitive even though they are in a much tougher division. If the Braves were in the Brewers division, we would win the Division every year.
November 24th, 201010:38 am
In my above post I meant to say that I just READ where Hinske is close to making a decision
November 24th, 201011:21 am
I’d rather give Francouer another chance than Andruw, if we’re talking long-shots here.
mark bradley's 70's fro and mustache
November 24th, 201011:27 am
November 24th, 2010
Ilike the idea of Jacoby Ellsbury for Ross and prospect to the Red Sox.
Is your name Johnny Blaze? Ross is a good back up catcher. He can start for a team now.
In 2006 with Cin he hit for 21hr in 90 games.
November 24th, 201012:15 pm
Let Hinske go to his homestate Brewers: bring back MattE Diaz!!!!!!!!!!
November 24th, 201012:30 pm
Smart move on Brewers part. Having Hinske is insurance for a Fielder trade in July. But his good luck charm will not be enough for that pitching staff to get into post season. If he is about winning (and I think he is), he will choose to stay in Atl (as FF insurance) unless the $$$ are too much to pass up.
November 24th, 201012:43 pm
Cannot trade Ross unless we get somebody better than Ellsbury in return. Catchers get dinged up too much to expect BMac to catch 150 or more games (plus return punts for Dallas Cowboys). Too much drop-off after Ross on depth chart. Ross is affordable and valuable.
November 24th, 20101:08 pm
We need SPEED and a CENTERFIELDER desperately; the missing piece to the 2011 puzzle.
His name is Jacoby Ellsbury.
I love David Ross as a backup cather & PHer, but if that is what it takes to land Ellsbury, do it now !
Prado & Ellsbury at the top of the lineup would provide countless RBI opportunities for Chipper, Uggla, McCann, Jason , etc.
Its a no-brainer !
Mark (another one)
November 24th, 20102:39 pm
I know you all are concerned about 1st, so I say put Freddie there to start the year. We sign Lee as a FA for $500k and ask him to play in Gwinnett for a year as a backup. We trade McLouth to St. Louis for Pujols and play him behind Freddie and Chipper. While we’re at it, we’ll sign Jeter to backup the middle infield.
Think of the bench; Jeter, Pujols and Hinskie. And all we trade away is McLouth and some cash. It leaves a hole in center, but maybe we can put Freeman in center and trade Shafer for Dunn in right.
I love to dream …
November 24th, 20106:57 pm
Pay Hinske for 2 years, dump the hotdog Diaz (he of the .290 OBP). Diaz is a legend in his own mind. Making faces and acting mad when you don’t get a hit, doesn’t make you a valuable player.
November 24th, 20107:36 pm
Branch Rickey: get used to the notion that CF is right now a two way battle between Nate McLouth and Matt Young, with Jordan Schafer as the dark horse. The (inexpensive) solution to CF will be in-house, and not via trade. Forget about Jacoby already.
If the Braves make a trade, it will be someone offering them a mind-blowing piece in exchange for Minor or Beachy. Hell, they may even be of the belief that Scott Proctor will be that veteran bullpen arm answer they are seeking.
Either way, the Braves are standing pat. Budget-wise, they are over-extended to the limit – and beyond. They still have to pay the arb-eligible players, like JJ and Prado.
Get off the Ellsbury train. That thought left the station years ago.
November 24th, 20107:43 pm
Mark (another one): “We sign Lee as a FA for $500K and ask him to play in Gwinnett for a year as a backup.”
Mark, that is one flight of fancy that will NEVER take off.
November 24th, 20107:55 pm
“…had the Braves bullpen not given up the lead again in the ninth.”
Really? They did their job, it was brooks who couldn’t make a routine play when it mattered the most….
November 24th, 20108:05 pm
To everyone putting up different lineups, I don’t see how the majority of you have Heyward in the 2 hole. I just don’t think it’s a very good spot for him in the future. I think Prado is our best 2nd hitter. Only problem is, we don’t currently have another leadoff hitter candidate besides him. I don’t think we can count on McLouth leading off, but I guess it’s not impossible. I think I’d still rather see him in the leadoff or 2 hole instead of J-Hey. Heyward should be in an RBI slot, like 6th. In case any of you forgot, he put up his best numbers hitting 6th. I’d like to get an Ellsbury type for leadoff, but I don’t see it. And lets face it, Chipper will hit 3rd for us so stop with the alternatives! This lineup still seems better to me.
Prado or McLouth
McLouth or Prado
November 24th, 20108:31 pm
Any news regarding Hinske’s decision?
November 24th, 20108:39 pm
trade Hinske for a kielbasa.
Glaus for some headcheese.
I don’t get these Hinske fans…kept listening to his ‘good luck charm’ BS???
Hoss10 : are you a Braves hater?? why even mention McLouth??
November 24th, 20109:42 pm
bostonbravo: Because we’re stuck with him, that’s why. I’d love to have someone else out in CF, but who will take him off our hands? We’re not the Yankees and can just give him away to someone and eat his salary. That being said, I think he can bounce back this year. Hitting in front of Prado or Chipper, he could do ok. .255 avg/.340 OBP, around 20 HR, and 65 RBI. That’s acceptable, obviously not great for his salary, but we could do worse…
November 24th, 201010:16 pm
What about me??? I’ve been in the Dominican Republic for the past 20 years and I’m here in ATL looking for work. Remember my clinching hit against the Pirates? Man, I can only laugh when I saw Barry Bonds sitting in left field with that look like he got kicked in the nutz. Ahhh, the memories. I ran into Frank Wren at a pub in midtown last weekend, and he told me not to worry that Hinske will be with the club in 2011. When I asked him about a job, he told me that all of the organizational positions have been filled, but he did tell me that he knew the manager at the Varsity and would put a good word in for me. I left with a buzz that night thinking, what a guy!!
November 25th, 201011:58 pm
Signing Hinske is huge, but I won’t hold it against Wren if he can’t. Most MLB players would love playing that close to where they grew up.
I seriously doubt we can retain him without seriously overpaying when his home team is involved.
November 26th, 201012:16 am
By the way folks .. lets just remember Hinske is a role player at best. You can’t be throwing huge dollars at him if you want to get decent ‘STARTING’ talent. Also, just to give you a history lesson:
Two players first years in ATL as left-handed bench bats that could play 1B/OF
Player A – .246ba/358obp with 7 HR’s and 31 RBI’s in only 171 at bats
– thats 1 HR per 24.4 AB’s — and 1 RBI per 5.5 AB’s
E.Hinkse – .256ba/350obp with 11 HR’s and 51 RBI’s in 281 at bats
– thats 1 HR per 25.5 AB’s — and 1 RBI per 5.5 AB’s
Looking at that you would say the players are pretty arn close to the same. Player A actually had a better fielding percentage as well, though the number of chances were very low for both.
Question. Would you sign player A to longer contract?
He is very similar after all. If you are honest, and truly looking at the numbers, you would have to say player A is almost as good, or maybe better counting defense, as Hinske.
Well, Player A is none of than Greg Norton of 2008. We all know what happened in 2009. After a near career year he was beset by injuries and never was right. In 2008 he was regarded as THE best pinch hitter in baseball.
I am not trying to put Hinske down. I would love to have him back. I just don’t want the Braves going overboard for him. There are plenty of aging vets that will be looking for work.
November 26th, 20108:38 am
eric is a ok player but not old enuf!!!! fred in sc
November 26th, 20108:40 am
might reqret not getting jeff back? have they thought about that? just wandering….. fred in sc
November 26th, 201011:39 am
Come on Braves this is a new error Eric Hinske is worth at least a 2 year 3 million dollar contract .
November 26th, 201011:06 pm
In case nobody noticed, while Andruw is not what he once was,in 2010 his was 2nd in the Nl fifth in the majors in HR/AB: 19 in 328 at bats, and a slower Andruw is better in the OF than most who ever played the game. He was more productive as a part time player than any outfiled position the Braves have had since he left, and he can be had for a song.
November 27th, 20101:17 am
@Hoss10, the problem with your line up is that you have 3 lefties in a row. if you hit McCann 4h and Uggla 5th it would be more balanced, and if you switch Gonzalez and Freeman, it would be even better.
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