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Bay Area Steve
November 29th, 2010
4:47 pm
Love to P-Town, ‘cept I’ve nothing to add. If I hunted, I’d be the guy shooting people in the face, whether I was raw-doggin’ it, or otherwise. (Dick Cheney joke withheld to conform to MIB rules.)
P-Town Brave ©
November 29th, 2010
4:50 pm
BA Steve-
Raw dogging it is why the economy is in trouble and why there are so many children w/o fathers in this country…
Please wrap it before you tap it…
The preceeding message has been brought to you by P-Town Brave ©
raleighbravefan
November 29th, 2010
4:51 pm
I’m outa here. Got to go home and eat so I can go to the Hurricane’s game (NHL, that is). They’re on Versus tonight.
MaconBraves (RIP)
November 29th, 2010
4:53 pm
Not to mention that Gonzo was one of the league leaders for errors last season, as I stated in my earlier post.
Gonzo had 19 errors and a .973 Fielding pct last year. Escobar had 18 errors and a .972 fielding pct last year. Hmmmmm……
Hillbilly
November 29th, 2010
4:55 pm
I’ll do that tomorrow, BAS. Quitting time now. I missed that discussion Wednesday because I was out hunting. What are the chances?
Anders
November 29th, 2010
4:58 pm
Colby Rasmus over Devine, seems to be another guy who has battled injuries a lot. But given our position back then, Smoltz going from closer to starter, you could see where we had a void for a closer.(Jake W)
Ironically the Braves actually signed the player who should have been their eventual closer that same year (2005) but gave him away in that lopsided trade for Tex. That would be Mr. Feliz. Another talent evaluation high point for the kings of organizational know how.
DS1
November 29th, 2010
5:04 pm
Anders
Your jealousy is showing again!
Jake W.
November 29th, 2010
5:08 pm
Ironically the Braves actually signed the player who should have been their eventual closer that same year (2005) but gave him away in that lopsided trade for Tex. That would be Mr. Feliz. Another talent evaluation high point for the kings of organizational know how
Yeah because our bullpen sure needed Mr. Feliz this season. That trade however lopsided it came out, didn’t exactly ruin this team. Our GM made a trade entirely from positions of strength in this organization to try to give us something that the braves needed, a power hitter. Escobar produced for this team every year until last when they traded him and even Gonzo’s seasons numbers trumped that of Andrus, Salty was never going to replace McCann.
No one could have predicted the injuries that we sustained in 2008 that would lead to us trading Tex before season’s end but if you ask me, your system has to be really good to trade that many players and the very next season still have a farm system that was seen as one of the top 3 in all of baseball. Its called depth and when you have it, it makes getting over trades like that much easier.
Anders
November 29th, 2010
5:09 pm
Your jealousy is showing again! (DS1)
Yep, you have me pegged.
Lew
November 29th, 2010
5:09 pm
I love hearing from a Mets’ fan all about organizational know how. The Mets have made so many excellent moves themselves.
P'cola Brave
November 29th, 2010
5:10 pm
You mean Andrus wasn’t that great this year? I thought during the postseason we traded away a future Hall of Famer? At least thats what I was reading.
Anders
November 29th, 2010
5:13 pm
Jake W- If the Braves system is so chock full why were they playing with back up players all over the feld in the playoffs last season? If you’re now going to tell me that the highly rated players are all on the lower levels of the organization then we can revert back to your earlier argument about younger players – no one really knows, regardless of how they’re rated today.
The point is you can’t have it both ways.
Owl Hunter
November 29th, 2010
5:15 pm
Honestly, I don’t care iff AG’s hitting numbers are mediocre. He’s our 7th or 8th hitter. It’s not like we’re relying on him to spark the middle of the order. We’re not going to have an all star at every position. AG is a pro, at least. Esco is not a winner, plain and simple.
Lew
November 29th, 2010
5:16 pm
Yeah, the Braves’ farm system really sucks. IN three years they’ve only brought up Hanson, Medlen, Heyward, Freeman, Venters and KImbrel.
And what were they thinking playing their third string 2B and 3B in the playoffs last year? hey should have known they’d need four or five players at every position because of injuries. Poor planning. Must be.
Anders
November 29th, 2010
5:17 pm
Lew- Why must you always drag the Mets into every argument? We’re discussing the merits of the Braves system that most on here qualify as one of the elite in the game. I was just pointing out what I perceive as examples showing otherwise. You’re consistent defense with me on almost every topis is “Oh yeah, well the Mets suck more!” How about we put that to rest? – It’s not actually relevant in these types of discussions. Just a thought.
Lollygagger
November 29th, 2010
5:18 pm
I see that Ryan Theriot is expected to be non-tendered now that Dodgers signed Uribe. Wonder if Braves would think about bringing him onboard? He can play SS and 2B, plus a little CF if he absolutely needed to in a pinch. Not much power at all, but is a decent threat on the bases when he gets on. $2 – 3 million may be more than Braves are looking to pay a backup infielder, tho.
Lew
November 29th, 2010
5:20 pm
Gee Anders – When responding to you, why would I even think of the Mets? It’s such a stretch. As for relevance? Why do you blog on a Braves’ blog? Nothing to talk about on one devoted to your favorite team?
unbelievable
November 29th, 2010
5:20 pm
errors are judgement calls and fld % is a garbage stat
Anders
November 29th, 2010
5:21 pm
Lew- so just bringing guys up is considered organizational success? Otherwise I’m not sure how you can list Medlen, Kimbrel and Freeman. Seems a bit premature to me.
Owl Hunter
November 29th, 2010
5:22 pm
If we keep Hinske, I’d be into getting Theriot. Not sure if the money works.
unbelievable
November 29th, 2010
5:22 pm
theriot will get an everyday job somewhere
DS1
November 29th, 2010
5:23 pm
Anders
Most of us get tired of you pulling out a player from a trade of 3 years ago (Feliz) and trying to make something of it.
You are correct, we are NOT deep in the infield in prospects, and beyond Heyward in the outfield. But we do have quite a few top level pitching prospects. Nobody on here ever stated the Braves org was perfect. Heck, no org has that sort of insight into who will be good and who will not.
But Frank Wren is pretty OK in my book on the moves he has made. So if you want to be a dot Don, please go ahead. If you want to talk about the future and not history, please engage.
Most of us could give a rats azz what anybody thinks about the Tex trade from a whole 3 years ago! That’s ancient history, but you keep wanting to bring it up as if we think our org is perfect or something. We don’t.
Lew
November 29th, 2010
5:24 pm
You come here and constantly deride the Braves in every aspect of their currently constituted team, their farm system, management and front office. You rarely have anything worthwhile to say about the Braves. You’re an acknowledged Mets’ fan from New York. And you’ve been doing it for years.
You’re absolutely right. You’re a paragon of fairness, unfavoritism, sense, sensibility and reason. What have I been thinking all this time?
Jake W.
November 29th, 2010
5:25 pm
Anders, come on, use some logic. Depth in the farm system entering into 2008, the season that immediately followed that trade, thats what i’m talking about. You brought up the trade, how lopsided it was and I showed you how my team survived it. How is that having it both ways and what does having a top ranked farm system have to do with numerous injuries to major leaguers? Do you think we have a farm system that has a top rated prospect at every position on the ready so when a player goes down to injury they can show up and produce like an all-star? Come to think about it, I can’t think about one system that does so what do you mean about having it both ways. Sounds like you’re getting depth in the farm system mixed up with injury depth which are two completely different things, right?
drunk turkey
November 29th, 2010
5:26 pm
go bravesssssssssssssss
unbelievable
November 29th, 2010
5:26 pm
“I don’t get where the man love for Brett Gardner is coming from?! P-Town Brave”
.380OBP, good defense, cheap, 50SB…a lot to like there
David O'Brien
November 29th, 2010
5:28 pm
Some of these non-roster invitees are actually interesting, including a versatile ex-Royals prospect (Ed Lucas), an ex-Mets prospect (Shawn Bowman) who hit 22 homers last season, and a speedy ex-Indians prospect (Jose Constanza) who hit for a high average and OBP with 34 steals and a bunch of triples last season in Triple-A.
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2010/11/29/boscan-among-early-non-roster-camp-invitees/
Owl Hunter
November 29th, 2010
5:29 pm
How in the world can a Mets fan criticize ANY organization? We’re not perfect, but geez, the Mets?!? What example has that team EVER set that any other team should follow? Say what you will about Wren, but on his worst day he’s better than Minaya was. And how about the great Terry Collins, who I forgot existed about nine years ago. Alderson ended the honeymoon quickly with that hire. People need to think.
unbelievable
November 29th, 2010
5:29 pm
Anders – You dont think that drafting and developing players is an organizational success? What is it then?
Robert
November 29th, 2010
5:31 pm
“As some guys have mentioned before, I think Braves should bat Chipper 2nd and Jason 3rd. I think his SLG is going to be better than Chippers”
As of right now, based on what everyone has shown the last year or so, Chipper would be my 6 hitter going into spring training
RC
November 29th, 2010
5:32 pm
Anders,
Honest assessment of the Braves current minor league system: Strong on pitching, weak on hitting. A few potential frontline starters who are about 1.5-2 years away, and a ton of potential relief pitchers. Given the volatility of pitching, this could end up changing within a year or two. For position prospects there is Freddie Freeman, and lot of 4th-OF/Util types, and a few guys with potential that are too young to count on yet (Salcedo, etc.). Jordan Schafer falls somewhere between Freeman and the 4th OFs, but at this point nobody is really sure where.
That sound about right?
Anders
November 29th, 2010
5:32 pm
DS1- How often have I brought up the Tex trade? Perhaps you have me confused with someone else on here?
Waahhh
November 29th, 2010
5:34 pm
Boo Anders is mean!
RC
November 29th, 2010
5:34 pm
“As some guys have mentioned before, I think Braves should bat Chipper 2nd and Jason 3rd. I think his SLG is going to be better than Chippers”
I do not want Chippers slow behind clogging the bases in front of Heyward. Besides, studies on lineup construction have shown that your best hitter should bat 2nd in order to score the most runs. Let Chipper keep his 3-hole for another season…Heyward can score 100 and drive in 70 from the 2-hole.
DS1
November 29th, 2010
5:35 pm
Anders
November 29th, 2010
4:58 pm
Colby Rasmus over Devine, seems to be another guy who has battled injuries a lot. But given our position back then, Smoltz going from closer to starter, you could see where we had a void for a closer.(Jake W)
Ironically the Braves actually signed the player who should have been their eventual closer that same year (2005) but gave him away in that lopsided trade for Tex. That would be Mr. Feliz. Another talent evaluation high point for the kings of organizational know how.
Can you say 35 minutes ago???
nolie
November 29th, 2010
5:37 pm
Unless his OBP isn’t high enough RC
The question is why? It looked like he had developed enough patience over the last few years.
DS1
November 29th, 2010
5:38 pm
I think Chipper’s high OBP (assuming he is near what he was last summer) would warrant putting him in the 2 or 3 slot. A lot will depend on how McLouth does in the spring.
Murph
November 29th, 2010
5:39 pm
Did you guys ever notice how one of the kids in a set of twins is always kinda… off? The other is completely normal, but the other is screwed up in some way or another.
No offense meant to any of you who are a twin… my guess is that you are the normal one if you’re on here posting anyways.
David O'Brien
November 29th, 2010
5:39 pm
Ironically the Braves actually signed the player who should have been their eventual closer that same year (2005) but gave him away in that lopsided trade for Tex. That would be Mr. Feliz. Another talent evaluation high point for the kings of organizational know how. — Anders
Feliz was traded to Texas in the Teixeira deal? Are you sure? Why hasn’t that been discussed here previously?
RC
November 29th, 2010
5:40 pm
nolie,
I was just joking about Reyes man…while I think he’d be a nice addition to the Braves, there is no way he’s a possibility for next years club. Maybe in free agency next year if the payroll is raised significantly for 2012, or one of our high dollar contracts is moved. But for 2011 we’d better get used to seeing A-Gonz out there…at least for the first few months.
RC
November 29th, 2010
5:42 pm
I think Chipper’s high OBP (assuming he is near what he was last summer) would warrant putting him in the 2 or 3 slot. A lot will depend on how McLouth does in the spring. – DS1
I agree. But Heyward’s OBP was even higher, and he has so much more speed than Chipper that I’d prefer seeing him in the 2 slot and Chipper in the 3 slot.
P-Town Brave ©
November 29th, 2010
5:43 pm
DOB-
lmao…yeah Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan feel thats gotten stale
DS1-
IF Nate can turn it around, I still like my original lineup:
Prado (also 2 if Nate is real solid early) – bc he hits more 2b;
McLouth (see above); spd could be why he bats 1 if MUCH better
Heyward
Uggla
McCann
Jones
Freeman
Gonzalez
spinelli
November 29th, 2010
5:43 pm
If Hinske cannot be re-signed, could Ty Wiggington be someone FW would try to sign. TW will of course demand more money than Hinske but would actually be better for the team. He can play both corners and LF. I say sign him for 2 years plus an option. He could be a stop gap at 3rd if CJ retires, and could spell FF against left handers. Any thoughts?
P-Town Brave ©
November 29th, 2010
5:46 pm
RC-
Not to negate my lineup w/ Nate batting 2nd, but JHey strikes out way too much to bat 2nd at this point…
If anything I would rather have Chipper 2, JHey 3, and Nate 6/7 if possible…
I just assume that Nate will be 2 considering what Fredi has said so far.
P-Town Brave ©
November 29th, 2010
5:48 pm
Reason I have Nate 2 and Chipper 6 is that it not only balances out the order and puts someone fast ahead of JHey, if Nate can get it together, it makes for about as complete a lineup as you can get 1-6.
Coach (2011 and Fredi G. a GO!)
November 29th, 2010
5:48 pm
Ya’ll stop griping about the Tex trade already, we all know that it was a disaster. As for Feliz, give me a break. Rafael Soriano was the guy we should have kept. His 2010: 45 saves, 1.73 ERA and under contract for 2011. Meanwhile, Billy Wagner is retired. Way to go Wren, nicely done!
unbelievable
November 29th, 2010
5:49 pm
lopsided Tex deal?
who, besides Feliz, are the braves actually missing? Dont say Andrus and his .643OPS, thats atrocious. Salty and Harrison havent done much either. That trade is no where close to as bad as people make it out to be.
P'cola Brave
November 29th, 2010
5:49 pm
spinelli
Well Hinske plays 1B/3B/OF so he plays the same positions as TW. TW has an advantage since hes RH but he will come at a much steeper price than Hinske. I don’t think hes a realistic option at this time.
P'cola Brave
November 29th, 2010
5:51 pm
Coach
Soriano is a FA. He tends to have a nice contract year but you never know with him. Sometimes he shows up, other times you never know.
Owl Hunter
November 29th, 2010
5:52 pm
Coach
Soriano is currently a free agent. Furthermore, we have Kimbrel and Venters who we’re not paying nearly as much as Soriano would cost.
Unbelievable
Agree totally.
spinelli
November 29th, 2010
5:53 pm
Many people on this blog state how bad a trade JS made regarding Texiera. It was not his best trade but by far was not his worst. i would put the Kenny Lofton trade and Jermaine Dye trade way ahead of the Tex trade. And lets not forget that JS traded David Cone for Ed Hern
DS1
November 29th, 2010
5:53 pm
P-town
Yes, if McLouth came out of the gate strong, the only change I’d make is to insert Chipper into the 3 slot and slide everybody down one.
But alas, it will not be your or my choice, but Fredi-Gee’s decision!
It’ll be interesting to see it developed.
Did someone say we traded for Teixeira? When was that?
Coach (2011 and Fredi G. a GO!)
November 29th, 2010
5:53 pm
That’s right dammit! Elvis Andrus sucks balls because he doesn’t hit HR’s. Pass the weed…..gimme a hit!
Jake W.
November 29th, 2010
5:54 pm
Ya’ll stop griping about the Tex trade already, we all know that it was a disaster. As for Feliz, give me a break. Rafael Soriano was the guy we should have kept. His 2010: 45 saves, 1.73 ERA and under contract for 2011. Meanwhile, Billy Wagner is retired. Way to go Wren, nicely done!
You say the trade was a disaster but then you say we don’t need Feliz anyway??? Well who you missing, Andrus and Salty? Meanwhile, we had one of the best bullpens in all of baseball last year and if we wanted Soriano this season we could still go sign him, go figure.
How’s this for irony though, we traded Soriano for Chavez who we then traded for Farns who had just as many saves in the postseason as Soriano.
P-Town Brave ©
November 29th, 2010
5:54 pm
DS1-
True…
And yeah, you mean that guy that blew out his hammy in the ALCS? That guy, yeah, karma is a real b*tch!
Robert
November 29th, 2010
5:55 pm
It’s kind of amusing to see so much attention given now to the whole Escobar issue.
Escobar was a poor fit for this organization.
Some folks are “company men”. They understand a system where there is no officil policy of accountability but then one day they are suddenly held accountable. They understand having to worship a man whose actions suggest he merits no worship. They understand a system where someone’s idea of “looking like a professional” trumps the bottom line of winning games.
Escobar was not such a person. And it did get to the point where his actions were detrimental to the team.
The only thing that COULD have happened had he stayed is that resentment of him wouldve been detrimental to the team and that his career implode – in other words a lose-lose scenario
Trading him got him out of our system and gave him a chance for a fresh start in another. It was an attempt at a win-win
What did y’all expect to get for an item that was not only of no value and never going to be of any further value to us but was in fact a detriment to us?
Getting Goinzo for him was more than fair. We got as much as we could for him.
Now as to right and wrong. There’s blame on both sides
Certainly Escobar behaved immatruely at times. Thing is, in the right environment and with the right mentors, it is possible to rechannel the basic thing lying behind that behavior – which was passion
The Braves, for their part, have always been guilty of passionless operation. Oh sure, they CLAIM they care, but in the end they dont. Not enough, anyways. It’s all good as they as everyone looks nice in their uniforms and shows proper adoration of the chain of command.
What the Braves didnt realize is that all the things things they think of as being part of “acting professional” work in one direction and need an added ingrediant. Let me explain
People are professional because they are highly skilled at what they do and do it while behaving a certain way. But simply acting the part wont ever make one a pro
unbelievable
November 29th, 2010
5:57 pm
Coach, thats a ridiculous comment. Soriano is a FA this year, he’ll reject arb and get a multi yr deal. It was either Wagner or Soriano last year and I think we did ok on that one
Soriano – 62IP 36H 14BB 57K 1.73ERA 0.80WHIP .163BAA
Wagner – 69IP 38H 22BB 104K 1.43ERA 0.87WHIP .159BAA
How exactly was Soriano better than Wagner?
DS1
November 29th, 2010
5:58 pm
Soriano was awesome when he was on, but there was some concern for his health. I guess that can be said for any player.
But I think the Saito/Wagner vs Soriano/Gonzo choice was the right correct. Does anybody really think Soriano would have helped any of the young guys along. I watched Wagner a lot during the late August Denver series (before games) and he was right there talking it up with the rest of the pen. Not sure Soriano does that?
Robert
November 29th, 2010
5:58 pm
“P’Cola – Probably the same contingent that felt we should play Brooks Conrad every day because he was hitting. That tune sure changed in the playoffs.”?
I am not saying that we ever should have played Brooks Conrad every day.
But I must point out that it would be possible to play him every day, while not letting him play defense in the late innings.
In other words, no, that didnt tune did not suddenly change in the playoffs
spinelli
November 29th, 2010
5:58 pm
P’cola.. i agree that TW will cost alot, but he would essentially be replacing Hinske,Diaz and Conrad/Infante. I do realize the money does not match up but I think TW would be a great addition to the team
Jake W.
November 29th, 2010
5:58 pm
That’s right dammit! Elvis Andrus sucks balls because he doesn’t hit HR’s. Pass the weed…..gimme a hit!
Well that would be the reason why he sucks for the braves since lack of power was one of our biggest problems last year. You know, that guy who could drive runs in. Call me crazy but somehow a guy who hit 0 homers in hitter friendly Texas doesn’t exactly fit that bill.
Owl Hunter
November 29th, 2010
5:59 pm
It’s gonna be a long offseason on the blog if people are talking this much about Esco, and the Tex trade.
Coach (2011 and Fredi G. a GO!)
November 29th, 2010
6:00 pm
Soriano’s a free agent? Then sign his butt already
Owl Hunter
November 29th, 2010
6:00 pm
Conrad could possibly play every day in the American League.
Owl Hunter
November 29th, 2010
6:01 pm
Coach
Seriously? With what money? Soriano is going cost a lot.
unbelievable
November 29th, 2010
6:03 pm
Yep, I forgot HR’s is the only factors in OPS. Andrus has 49, yep 49, XBH in 1068AB’s. Thats in a hitter friendly park. He would do absolutely nothing to help our punchless lineup.
nolie
November 29th, 2010
6:04 pm
for a guy with Escobar’s build and stroke? DOB
it is precisely Escos stroke that keeps his homer totald down. He keeps that front shoulder down all the time. does not hit all that many fly balls
BTW Gonzo had the shortest average home runs last season while he was playing in the AL IIRC
just trying to keep such a fresh and interesting dicussion going
.
DS1
November 29th, 2010
6:04 pm
Robert
Huh? Are you still ranting about that manager we used to have and his system? Guess what. His system is still in place. His replacement will be more like him that unlike him.
And Escobar was a frickin head case. A pre-madonna. Please don’t confuse that with passion.
And I agree, he was damaged goods and Gonzo was a good return for damaged goods.
P'cola Brave
November 29th, 2010
6:04 pm
Soriano might cost as much as Uggla.
Owl Hunter
November 29th, 2010
6:04 pm
Andrus is a good player for the right situation. We are not that situation.
Coach (2011 and Fredi G. a GO!)
November 29th, 2010
6:05 pm
Jake, you’re right on man! So what if Andrus plays the next ten years in Texas. Who cares. HR’s are underrated and defense means nothing. Pitching and power always wins in the playoffs.
Robert
November 29th, 2010
6:06 pm
“That means you just don’t believe what players said, both on and off record ”
First off, I believe the players were, as a whole, and ,almost if not entirely, to a man , glad to have gotten rid of Escobar’s presence in the clubhouse
That said, the culture in the Braves clubhouse was a cult of personality. In that environment, little credence can ever be given to what the players say, on or off the record.
In other words, they would say they were glad to be rid of Escobar whether they were or not, becuase they darn well knew they’d be next on the black list if they said anything in opposition to the top
Remember how close John Smoltz came to getting blackballed when he dared open his mouth to even whisper a hint of something against the party line?
If a career Braves man, the only Brave of the Cox era who had true guts, wasnt immiune, then nonne is.
Darn it, if the man had suddenly decided to hit the pitchers leadoff, let McCann play center field and told everyone to wear party hats in the dugout, then you’d have heard the Braves say, in unison, how glad they were that the new changes had been made
Jake W.
November 29th, 2010
6:06 pm
I watched Wagner a lot during the late August Denver series (before games) and he was right there talking it up with the rest of the pen. Not sure Soriano does that?
To be fair to the Gonzo/Soriano combo I think they lacked the years in the game and the experience to offer such knowledge that Saito/Wagner could. Besides I don’t think Soriano talked much. When you think about it Gonzo and Wags, the two lefties, seem to be more outspoken while the two righties, Saito/Soriano, seem quieter, probably a lot due to language reasons. I liked the Wags/Saito combo but also liked the Soriano/Gonzo combo but it wasn’t realistic to keep that one so I think Wren did a good job in getting the two elder statesmen, especially when you can consider their impact on the younger arms down there.
Coach (2011 and Fredi G. a GO!)
November 29th, 2010
6:08 pm
Frank Wren has plenty of money in his Christmas account. 10 million should be enough for Soriano.
Arkansas Transplant
November 29th, 2010
6:08 pm
What about adding Ryan Theriot for our bench? Can’t he also play SS?
P'cola Brave
November 29th, 2010
6:08 pm
Robert
I don’t remember the braves ever being afraid to say something they dislike. When Smoltz wasn’t tendered a contract I believe there was an irrate Chipper Jones who made it known he wasn’t happy about that. You could tell that the Braves as a whole were tire of Escobar’s mopey ass.
P'cola Brave
November 29th, 2010
6:09 pm
Ark. Trans.
He is a SS/2B. He would be a great addition but will probably find an everyday job in a weak SS market.
Owl Hunter
November 29th, 2010
6:10 pm
Robert
You act like you hang out in the clubhouse with the Braves. You seem to think you have insight on what it’s like to work for the Braves. Your all speculation, and no real substance.
Coach (2011 and Fredi G. a GO!)
November 29th, 2010
6:10 pm
Bobby Cox for President! Get your ballots in.
DS1
November 29th, 2010
6:11 pm
He’s gone upstairs Robert. He’s gone. Get over it. Please.
Do we have to rehash this anytime anything from the past is mentioned?
You sound like a lot of folks I have known over the years. Bitter over some relationship, and never willing to get past it. Always reliving it. Never letting bygones be bygones. Living in a bitterness that will eventually eat you up!
Let’s talk about what could be next year instead.
Jake W.
November 29th, 2010
6:11 pm
Jake, you’re right on man! So what if Andrus plays the next ten years in Texas. Who cares. HR’s are underrated and defense means nothing. Pitching and power always wins in the playoffs.
Duh, and the Giants showed Andrus and the Rangers just that when tiny Tim helped to hold the great Andrus down and old man Renteria knocked one over the fence in what proved to be the difference maker, but hey, Andrus and his glove and speed sure looked good going down in defeat.
By the way, no ever said defense never mattered smart guy, the combo of Esco/Gonzo defensively last year was pretty good. Still trying to figure out where we’re missing Andrus.
Coach (2011 and Fredi G. a GO!)
November 29th, 2010
6:12 pm
Yunel Escobar was the second coming of Andres Thomas. Enough said.
Arkansas Transplant
November 29th, 2010
6:13 pm
I thought he played both. I would like to see him added to the bench but your probably right about him finding an everyday job. I’d still like to see some movement on the Rasmus front. There seems to be a rumor that things have once again struck up on him. But I do think Theriot would be a great addition to our bench if he was to become available.
Owl Hunter
November 29th, 2010
6:13 pm
Arkansas
I’d be all about Theriot, but I’m not sure the money would work. He’ll probably get an everyday job somewhere. Still, I’d love to see him in Infante’s role.
Robert
November 29th, 2010
6:14 pm
“And I agree, he was damaged goods and Gonzo was a good return for damaged goods”
Cool as far as that goes.
Understand that part of my point is that him being damaged goods is partly his fault and partly the fault of the Braves organization
nolie
November 29th, 2010
6:14 pm
and fld % is a garbage stat UnB
only if used on it’s own, mate it with a range figure and the two together give a fairly realistic quick glimpse at fielding proficiency
Owl Hunter
November 29th, 2010
6:14 pm
Coach
Ha!
DS1
November 29th, 2010
6:16 pm
Jake
Agreed. Admittedly, the health of many pitchers is always a question mark. But the Soriano/Gonzo combo just seemed to be overly prone to injury. I am glad to see that Soriano had a good year, with no apparent health issues. But I’d for dang sure be scared to offer him more than a 1 year deal.
The big question is this: which 1-2 veteran arms will we add for 2011? I am guessing it’ll be names that aren’t very familiar to many.
Jake W.
November 29th, 2010
6:16 pm
You act like you hang out in the clubhouse with the Braves. You seem to think you have insight on what it’s like to work for the Braves. Your all speculation, and no real substance.
Isn’t it all speculation from all sides since none of us know the depths of what happened between the braves and Escobar since no one seems willing to speak up about it, not that its our business. This blog dwells on it and this Escobar thing probably more than the braves ever have. None of us know what truly happened. Just like a lot of things on this blog, its all speculation. What happens between the players when those doors are closed we will never know.
nolie
November 29th, 2010
6:17 pm
I was just joking about Reyes man RC
yeah I know which is why I led with the smiley.and though what I said was true it was also meant in that same facetious tone
Robert
November 29th, 2010
6:20 pm
“Bobby Cox for President! Get your ballots in.”
You know – Cox is an unintelligent, unscrupulous man who will back his people thru thick and thin until such time as its them or he, at which point he leaves them to twist in the wind. He speaks nonsense to the public via the press; nonsense which he expects them to swallow unquestioningly. He is all about appearances, and above all else, all about his career
He is actually a pretty good candidate for President
But hey, as long as he isnt managing the Braves – I dont care what he does or what people say.
Build shrines dedicated to the idiot if you like. Just dont let him call the shots when the Braves are deciding strategy
Owl Hunter
November 29th, 2010
6:20 pm
Jake
That’s precisely why this should be a non issue. My problem is people who think they have the inner workings of the Braves system down to a science. None of us do. We all speculate, but most of us don’t try to come off like some sort of insider.
Owl Hunter
November 29th, 2010
6:21 pm
Robert
Did Cox steal your girlfriend?
DS1
November 29th, 2010
6:22 pm
Robert
Gotta disagree with you on Escobar. You are so jaded by your hatred for BC and his tenure that you must assign blame to him for just about everything that goes wrong.
When we dealt for McLouth did everybody stand up and applaud for him when he came into the clubhouse. Nah.
Why would the team feel pressured to do so for Gonzo? They wouldn’t. So, to say that Escobar’s failure is not squarely on his shoulders is just turning a blind eye to the truth.
stachemoney22
November 29th, 2010
6:22 pm
If we are still ranting about escobar, i might add that Furcal, who had multiple dui’s, was beloved by Cox. A DUI is very serious offense and it’s a selfish move. It’s detrimental to your organization, teammates, and the community. I note that we even tried to obtain Furcal for a second stint. Kudos to the gm of the Blue Jays, AA, for making a great move to get rid of a ss who gets passed from team to team like a rag doll for a bright young ss who had one bad first half and is cheap.
What’s really sad is that if Chipper hadn’t gotten hurt Infante would have been sitting on the bench and watching Gonzo play SS every game. How many games did Infante play to start the second half after he made the all-star game? Not many until Chipper got hurt. Infante should have been our every day second baseman. That’s old news and we move on…..
NO MORE BOBBY
November 29th, 2010
6:23 pm
See Bobby lovers… the sun still comes up in the morning and life carries on without Bobby.
stachemoney22
November 29th, 2010
6:23 pm
everyday ss. correction
Robert
November 29th, 2010
6:23 pm
” don’t remember the braves ever being afraid to say something they dislike. When Smoltz wasn’t tendered a contract I believe there was an irrate Chipper Jones who made it known he wasn’t happy about that. You could tell that the Braves as a whole were tire of Escobar’s mopey ass.”
Whoa there partner.
Youre now talking about contracts. That means money. That means the player’s union.
If rule number one in the Braves clubhouse was dont ever cross Bobby Cox, then rule number one amongst the membership of the ML Players’ Union is never do or say anything that might get between a fellow player and his money
You HAVE to understand the dynamics before you can interpret actions and words
nolie
November 29th, 2010
6:23 pm
Yunel Escobar was the second coming of Andres Thomas. Enough said coach
what a maroon
Bat Masterson
November 29th, 2010
6:24 pm
I am not saying that we ever should have played Brooks Conrad every day.
But I must point out that it would be possible to play him every day, while not letting him play defense in the late innings. _ Robert
Conrad’s highest value was as a hitter from the seventh inning on.