2:13 pm November 22, 2010, by Carroll Rogers
November 28th, 20107:40 pm
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November 28th, 20107:41 pm
And the non tender deadline is Thursday, which should add some additional players to the free agent pool.
November 28th, 20107:42 pm
Efrim,the list of names you gave is the reason I would prefer to use the money we have left to strengthen the bench and go with the youth in the BP. That,or trade for a good offensive force in the OF and let Nate be our 4th OF.
November 28th, 20107:44 pm
Wheeler huh? His WHIP has been pretty good the last three years ina row which has not always been the case, made 3.5 mil last year. I have a feeling that prices on decent relievers are gonna go up a bit this year.
November 28th, 20107:46 pm
CB, I’m scairt of tooo many yutes in the pen. I’d really like to see a seasoned performer added
November 28th, 20107:55 pm
I understand the concern,nolie,but I think we have a lot of talent and depth with Moylan,OFlaherty,Proctor and more coming from the minors.
November 28th, 20107:59 pm
Putz took a cut to 3 mil last year and had a decent year so i bet he wants around 5 or so. Too much for the Braves.
That’s where I start getting annoyed with the ownership. It’s understandable when they say Crawford, Lee, Werth, and the like are out of the price range, but it gets a little tougher to swallow when you hear someone making $5 million on a one year contract is out of the price range. It is what it is though.
I do not trust Proctor at all CB. Truth be told he wasn’t all THAT good in his best years. Other than those he has been pretty mediocre with command troubles.One never knows, I’m not counting on him at all.
November 28th, 20108:02 pm
well that’s just my assumption from what I read and hear BH, they might surprise us and spring for 5 mil or so. They had a lot of money come out of the pen with Wags and Saito gone. I’m just skeptical enough to wait till I see it b4 I believe it.
November 28th, 20108:03 pm
CB, I think it’s a pretty decent crop this year. They really need another arm, imo. Kimbrel and Venters are strong, but so young. I have my concerns with Moylan…I mean, you just can’t use him against LH hitters. EOF is solid, though. I really hope that Proctor deal isn’t guaranteed. I don’t really want him in the pen next year, I’d much rather have Marek – which would be another rook. To me, another arm at the outset of the season is important, not to mention I expect them to always grab one at the deadline.
November 28th, 20108:22 pm
Braveheart: You haven’t heard anyone with the Braves say that Putz is out of their price range. And I don’t know that he is. I think they can spend about that much to solidify the ‘pen, if they decide to allocate the dollars there, rather than trying to add another reliever and another bench guy. Don’t know that they could do both, though, without trimming some more payroll somewhere.
November 28th, 20108:39 pm
DOB. What do you think GMs are typically doing 8 days before the winter meetings? I know Frank said hes made his big move, but you have to think theres still time left to make this a better club? You have to think hes atleast listening to offers…
November 28th, 20108:48 pm
but you have to think there’s still time left to make this a better club
Considering there are still more then 4 months before the season even starts, I’d say that’s true…but there is not much more that needs to be done
November 28th, 20108:57 pm
Put would be a tremendous pick up. Insurance to close games and a lights out 8th inning guy.
November 28th, 20109:02 pm
Don’t know that they could do both, though, without trimming some more payroll somewhere. DOB
Speaking of which, have you (or anyone else for that matter) heard any sort of update regarding KK getting shipped to another team and possibly making some budget space? Seems like that was a distinct possibility several weeks ago, but I haven’t heard a peep about the possibility of moving KK recently.
November 28th, 20109:06 pm
Hey if the Dodgers do non-tender Ryan Theriot, Braves should take a look at him because he is a pretty good contact hitter that can play SS, and 2B. He has speed too. Good bench type player.
November 28th, 20109:09 pm
I like Putz, obviously health is an issue. How about Brian Fuentes to replace the role Dunn had? He should be cheap and has a lot of experience.
McFann O O
November 28th, 20109:23 pm
I kinda wanna watch a Braves game…
November 28th, 20109:26 pm
McFann — Just wondering up here.. what do you think is the strongest part of Mac’s game and also what is the weakest?
November 28th, 20109:28 pm
Whatta we got McFann…about 80 days before pitchers and catchers report?
November 28th, 20109:29 pm
On my XM radio the update announcer keeps saying “don’t worry only 14 weeks till ST” Yeee ha!
November 28th, 20109:31 pm
I guess closer to 90 than 80
November 28th, 20109:33 pm
I’m not here to mope and play Debbie Downer jeffrey d
If you change your mind, you can just change your name to jeffrey D.D.
November 28th, 201010:00 pm
bravesfaninok, its funny you mention that. I’m watching opening day this year on mute and jamming to a playlist. Good times. . .
November 28th, 201010:06 pm
Wow…that’s not really that long until catchers and pitchers report, is it?
Hmm…that’s an int’resting Q…haha, kinda hard for me to be objective. I’ll have to give this one some careful consideration. I mean, there’s the obvious, scapegoat, vague thingy of saying, “Well, his strong point is his offense and his weakest is his defense,” but that doesn’t really spell it out very well. His defense has gotten better. But yeah, I’m gonna hafta think about this—you gonna be around a while?
I’m still what you would call a “student of the game”, so when it comes to analyzing, I sometimes tend to dig deeper than I really cann and get in over my head…
November 28th, 201010:14 pm
it will seem longer than 80 days during the season though
November 28th, 201010:16 pm
It’s a shame about Leslie Nielsen passing away. I always thought he was a pretty good actor.
November 28th, 201010:18 pm
I doubt Fuentes is cheap. He made 9 mil last year and really didn’t have a down year. I guess it depends on what you call cheap. I don’t know that he’ll get 9 mil again but he wont be 3 or 4 mil cheap..
November 28th, 201010:26 pm
Russell Bell: Wren told me at the GM meetings that they’d had conversations with several teams in the past week or so. That was a couple of weeks ago. It could happen any time, just no way of predicting when. The Braves are tight-lipped about this stuff, the agent isn’t talking, and presumably it’s most or all Japanese teams on the other end of conversations, so the rumors aren’t exactly flowing on a regular basis.
November 28th, 201010:32 pm
Is there any expectation on when we may hear something on the Hinske front? Sounds like theres only two teams involved and both have made offers.
November 28th, 201010:35 pm
Very sad to hear about Leslie Nielsen – Funny Funny Guy, Airplane has always been one of my favourite movies.
November 28th, 201010:36 pm
Russell, any relation to SB?
November 28th, 201010:40 pm
Leslie Nielsen’s in a better place.
“A better place? What is it?”
“A construct to help cope with grief, but that’s not important right now”
November 28th, 201010:42 pm
Steve McP – thanks for the heads up – I am one of the relatively few here who remember his pre-comedy career…
November 28th, 201010:43 pm
McFann — Sure, whenever (and if) the spirit moves you. Figured you had to know more about his play than I do up here. I just get to see him once or twice a year when we visit our son and grandkids in Atlanta. These days I don’t speak up much here but I try to read the ole blog every day. Signing off for the evening.
November 28th, 201010:44 pm
Safe to say Nordberg won’t be attending the funeral?
and well done, again, Steve McP…
and cabravesfan is a huge Airplane fan – I try to avoid letting her know it’s on, because she is more annoying quoting lines than I am with Butch Cassidy…
November 28th, 201010:45 pm
He was a straight actor at one time early in his career. and one of his brothers was the Deputy Prime Minister of Canada at one time.
November 28th, 201010:47 pm
Braveheart – very funny – I spent several minutes standing next to Al Cowlings last night…
November 28th, 201010:49 pm
And absolutely great in “Mr. Willoughby’s Christmas Tree” with Robert Downey, Jr,. and Stockard Channing (a Jim Henson Christmas special – yes, I’m a Christmas special geek)…
November 28th, 201010:51 pm
A Christmas Story is my favorite
November 28th, 201010:53 pm
Thanks for the update DOB.
Nolie… should I know who SB is? Or am I failing to notice some sort of elaborate inside (blog) joke?
November 28th, 201010:54 pm
nolie – I was not going to favorites – I need to differentiate between TV and motion pictures… and not an easy call – but Ralphie is a classic…
November 28th, 201010:55 pm
What kind of idiot actually types “motion pictures”…
November 28th, 201010:56 pm
I believe they are called “talkies” now
November 28th, 201010:57 pm
Oh, do you mean Stringer Bell? If so, then yes I am he.
Eat lead and death, (remainder of college rejoinder no longer politically correct, though it never seemed so at the time)…
November 28th, 201010:59 pm
As some guys have mentioned before, I think Braves should bat Chipper 2nd and Jason 3rd. I think his SLG is going to be better than Chippers.
As I posted before, I was trying to project the starting lineup stats and I found out some interesting stuff that Im going to repaste here plus some other stuff I came up with all those projections.
4 guys with the potential to score 100+ runs
6 guys with the potential or 35+ doubles
5 guys with the potential of 80 RBI (you could add martin but him batting leadoff might affect his RBI total)
6 guys capable of .800+ OPS
6 guys with the potential of .350+ OBP
Our staring lineup if stays healthy and plays up to their potential, meaning Im not projecting career years to any of them, only Jason, since he is just in his second season.
This guys will score around 690-700 runs, not counting bench players, so I think offense this season is going to be unstoppable. Even with Nate being just Nate.
Im hoping for some Freeman number similar lo AGon but higher OBP and BA.
Im hoping for Nate to hit in between what he hit his best season and what he did in 2009….. I dont think he will get back to his best, but he might get better thatn last season, that shouldnt be hard to do.
There are only 3 guys on the probable opening day roster that might no hit for a .350 OBP or higher. 1 of them is Freeman. I think he might hit for a .360 OBP but, since he is a rookie, I might be wrong and he ends up with .330.
I dont thing he will end up as low as Nate(.265) and (.290). You could easily see there is a big gap between those 2 and the rest of the team. AGon is not about getting on base, but hitting for “power” and his glove. Nate, same story, he is about “trying to have power” and his glove.
Braves can live with what they have right now. 1-5 is as solid as you can get in any team. Right now I dont consider any team having a better 1-5 than the braves. As good, sure, but not better. We are really solid 1-5. Not to mention AGon is a not that bad for a #6 hitter, he has some pop, not very good at getting on base, but he can protect our #5 well enough.
Then there is our rookie that might end up hitting 6th before the ASG if we have some luck and he has a “fair-good” start of 2011.
Then there is Nate. If he can find a way to get on base, just get on base, somehow, Im sure Martin and Jason will drive him in. I can live with all this.
We are in very good shape.
November 28th, 201011:00 pm
nolie – the first TV special I traditionally watch every year is “John Denver and the Muppets: A Christmas Together” – one cool thing on my old VHS copy of that is that after the show there is a commercial for the initial go-round of “The Winds of War” miniseries…
November 28th, 201011:01 pm
Doc made me feel so trivial, compared to the immediate opening of the season…
November 28th, 201011:02 pm
Stringer is one of my all time favorite TV characters.
November 28th, 201011:06 pm
AdirondackDave I just get to see him once or twice a year…
Aw, that’s a bummer…
…when we visit our son and grandkids in Atlanta.
Cute…bet that’s fun!
Yeah, I’ll totally think about this—sleep on it. Haha, I know it’s not a “huge deal”, but I dunno—I don’t wanna just type something up that’s not well thought-out (even though I do that all the time otherwise ). It’s a little difficult because he had a sort of a down year offensively, but his defense was better (14 errors, bah! Some of those shoulda gone to infielders and one of them happened ’cause the umpire didn’t call blatant batter-interfernce on uh…who was that? Uribe?)…
I will say one issue he had the past year seemed to be getting under too many pitches—actually, that was fairly prevalent in ‘09, as well. It’s hard to say whether that’s a “weakness” or somehow tied to his eye troubles…like…’cause he’d sorta get out in front of pitches a little too much, I think…
But, boy-oh-boy, when he stays back and waits on the ball just a tad more…NICE! Gets that toe-tap workin’…he’s got a heckuva beautiful swing, I tell ya. That’s why I couldn’t handle 98 K’s—he so far above that…
November 28th, 201011:07 pm
Sorry about those Nate´s stats. His OBP is much higher than that, I missed that one.
November 28th, 201011:10 pm
Agreed Nolie. Such a smooth and classy bad guy.
I was sad to see him go at the end of season 3… but he had it comin’.
November 28th, 201011:11 pm
big ups to stringer bell! but watch out…omar’s been heard out there whistling.
November 28th, 201011:17 pm
stringer’s pretty great but how bout snoop?
November 28th, 201011:18 pm
There seems to be a nice handful of good relievers this year. But with the Benoit signing setting the bar some could come a little pricey. Interested to see which ones the Braves are actually interested in.
November 28th, 201011:20 pm
the amazing defense of melky cabrera
November 28th, 201011:32 pm
melky’s finest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufICeiWz56A
November 28th, 201011:34 pm
At least by thursday we should know who the whole FA class is. Hopefully that will liven up the offseason.
November 28th, 201011:41 pm
Steve McP–Did I see last night that you are a cricket fan? I occasionally post cricket comments on the overnight blog, as I am watching things elsewhere on the globe, but most often post into silence. I have received some replies from Cricket, I believe. Glad to hear that there is another fan. I would love to see England win the series, but fear that they will not be able to sustain against Australia. Really dislike them. (I live part of the year in South Asia, which inherently necessitates an anti-Australia position.)
November 28th, 201011:46 pm
cab–Very nice. I enjoyed your repartee, even if no one else did. Talkies? Very nice. Have you seen Al Jolson in ‘A Jazz Singer’? Very good–the first talking motion picture. VJ, must be shocked to see it spelled out twice in one night.
November 28th, 201011:48 pm
Yes Moe I am a huge cricket fan.
Good to see the Aussies bowlers really getting pounded in Brisbane, but it looks like ending in a draw, which is actually a good result for England at the Gabba, because they traditionally do really badly there, Cook and Trott set all sorts of batting records today though, looking good for the rest of the series.
Also just got an e-mail from Willow TV to say that they had reached agreement with DirecTV to get coverage of the Ashes on their network, so could actually get to see some of the matches over the winter.
November 28th, 201011:56 pm
Steve McP–Actually, I am quite impressed. Seeing the Ashes? Very nice. I usually follow online. I see online occasionally, and when I am in India, I do. Always happy to see the Aussie bowlers getting pounded. Probably became a cricket fan to bond with my father-in-law…lives a bit away from Edens Gardens.
November 29th, 201012:01 am
Oookaaaaaay…something just exploded outside or something… Odd…very odd…
November 29th, 201012:05 am
McFann–What exploded? Years ago, when I lived in Santa Fe, I was driving home late one night. I saw a giant band of green light in the sky from the northwest, i.e., in the direction of Los Alamos, where the nuclear labs were. I kept thinking it was something simple. I turned on the local news to find out, why there was a giant band of green light in the sky–but nothing. That worried me, even more–a giant green light from the direction of the nuclear labs, but no mention in the news. Very distressing.
I have not (VJ has though)- however, I adore Singin’ in the Rain which makes many references to The Jazz Singer
November 29th, 201012:08 am
I just realized that was kind of a random comment, but whenever I hear “talkies” it makes me think of Singin’ in the Rain, which of course makes me think of The Jazz Singer…makes sense in my brain
November 29th, 201012:10 am
You think we will ever see Nate making a play like this?:
November 29th, 201012:13 am
cab, I love ‘Singin’ in the Rain’. I think Gene Kelly is great (’An American in Paris’ has like 28 different Gershwin tunes). But just the narrativizing of the introduction of sound into cinema makes it worth it. Absolutely wonderful. Makes one momentarily think that Debbie Reynolds is sweet–at least until one hears Carrie Fisher’s rejoinder to her mother.
November 29th, 201012:16 am
Singin’ in the Rain is my absolute all time favorite movie…I just surprised VJ by admitting I actually own 2 copies of it (one on VHS and the 60th anniversary edition on DVD). Everything about it is wonderful.
cab–It did not at all seem random to me. I completely understood.
November 29th, 201012:18 am
Good 1995 memories:
November 29th, 201012:20 am
Good to know someone out there can follow the illogical logic that is my thought process
Time for bed (watching The Wizard of Oz…another all time fav!) Good night!
Singing In The rain is the cat’s meow and the bee’s knees all in one
November 29th, 201012:22 am
cab–I only own it on VHS. I grew up loving it. My wife (who is a film studies professor) is always swiping it as an example of sound–either the (’No, no, no,’ ‘Yes, yes, yes’ sequence) or for the ‘Moses supposes erroneously sequence (not sure what that demonstrates). Bu I thoroughly enjoy the film.
November 29th, 201012:29 am
you mean there are still folks who put up with the poor picture and inconvenience of video tape ?
November 29th, 201012:30 am
Otis Nixon beating the Giants———-we need someone with that speed on this team:
November 29th, 201012:32 am
Yikes! Yeah, no clue what this was—but my Sister and I both heard it and saw the flash through our respective closed window-blinds…thingies…uh…if I somehow come across any clues as to what it might have been, I’ll let y’all know.
PS—We like “Singing In The Rain”, too! “The Music Man” with Robert Preston and Shirley Jones is my favorite, though. (No way in [heck] I’d ever watch the remake, I’m pretty sure!)
Ni—uh…Morning, all! Later!
November 29th, 201012:33 am
nolie you mean there are still folks who put up with the poor picture and inconvenience of video tape ?
Yeah…you wanna make something out of it?
November 29th, 201012:35 am
McFann–Go and get your rest. I know the fear of not know what a sound is. Go and sleep. Hopefully, you will never know and never need to know. Sleep well.
November 29th, 201012:45 am
what are y’all, a bunch of Luddites?
November 29th, 201012:54 am
Hey Moe: Just wondering, is your name really Moe Berg? Did you just take the name as a screen name after the Red Sox catcher from the 30’s?
November 29th, 201012:57 am
ccrider–Yes, I took my name after the catcher.
November 29th, 201012:59 am
November 29th, 20101:06 am
Moe: did you know he was a spy for the United States during World War II?
November 29th, 20101:08 am
Whoops, I see nolie already made that statement. Nice nom de plume!
November 29th, 20101:10 am
Moe travels all over the world and could be a spy himself which I think is why he took the name. Very James Bonsish Moe is , suave and debonair
November 29th, 20101:12 am
nolie, I travel from time to time and have never undertaken espionage. I once worked in an office in which the director had to have security clearance. My tasks, however, did not. I can never be accused of spying, though I did once have to call the head of the C.I.A. for work. (Many directors ago.)
November 29th, 20101:16 am
don’t shatter the fantasy of an old stuck at home dreamer, Moe. a guys gotta get his vicaries somehow during the off season
November 29th, 20101:22 am
nolie, I once had a stash of classified documents in my house for years. They showed that a series of presidential administrations misled the public. I kept thinking that I would anonymously send them off to the New York Times or the Washington Post. Finally, I got tired of having them and tossed them before one of my moves. Not quite a spy, but a potential whistle-blower.
November 29th, 20101:25 am
I would say the original Moe Berg may have coined one of the the phrases: switch hitter or dual threat!
November 29th, 20101:55 am
jed- How dare you post that! That was the only Braves game I managed to attend this past season (although I was planning to make the trip for one of the World Series games if the Braves had made it) and Melky absolutely ruined it. I watched the ball hit the ground, knew it was rolling to the wall, and looked to the infield to see how many runners would score. When I looked back in the outfield, the ball was 40 feet from Melky and I was extremely confused how that could have happened, since I’m normally good at judging where a ball is going to roll. There was a pretty big roar from Reds fans laughing at him, but I had to wait for the replay to understand how awful that play was… uuuggghhh that was terrible.
November 29th, 20108:12 am
I’m ready for the Hot Stove to start getting hot again!
Looks like the Marlins rotation is going to be tough if Javy finds his NL East dominance again!
When are we going to trade some prospects away for Ellsbury/Rasmus and sign a reliever?
November 29th, 20109:06 am
November 29th, 2010
Otis Nixon beating the Giants———-we need someone with that speed on this team:
We’ve got a couple OF’ers with pretty good speed down on the farm, MATT YOUNG, and JOSE CONSTANZA.
November 29th, 20109:18 am
If Matt Young and Jose Constanza has speed and are good then WHY was they not up here last year?
November 29th, 20109:33 am
Thanks, Moe! Yeah, still no idea what the hay that was…ah, the world may never know…
November 29th, 20109:34 am
nolie, I once had a stash of classified documents in my house for years. They showed that a series of presidential administrations misled the public. _ Moe Berg
If you had documents that showed a single administration did not mislead the public you would have had something truly newsworthy.
November 29th, 20109:40 am
I would like to see the Braves go after reliever George Sherrill, and outfielder Ryan Ludwick both could be low price options if they are non-tendered.
November 29th, 20109:43 am
Can’t wait until spring training…. Addressing some of our outstanding need/issues:
Major issue: Nobody on here points out that Alex Gonzalez is a .300 obp player so we have a huge hole at ss. Who cares if he hits 15 homers next season. The fact that he has such a low opb makes him one of the worst starting players in all of baseball. He made some flashy defensive plays, but he was far from sure handed last season. Terrible move by Wren to move escobar for this useless pos.(Many disagree with this, but acquiring Alex Gonzalez for Escobar was just plain wrong. If you have to deal escobar, for whatever reason, then add obp to the lineup. Don’t bring in another frenchy outmaker.)
The only problem with the uggla deal is that our hands have become really tied financially. (uggla wil get a raise for the season) At least some of KK’s salary may come off the books soon. This might be Chipper’s last year and it will surely be Nate’s last season.
2 needs: I would like to pickup an experienced closer and a centerfielder.
Nate Mclouth belongs in AA with KK until he can learn the strike zone again. Anyone with an opb that is below .300 or in that neighborhood should be sent away. Also, the fact that he wouldnt throw the ball in center makes me cringe.
Personally, I might try to swing a deal for Shin Soo Choo from Cleveland and just move Heyward to center. I know that Choo will cost us a lot, but his .400 obp and five tool game would make a significant impact. Alternative outfield options include Josh Willingham(again move j hey to center) and trading for brett gardner. Look up Gardner’s obp and steals total. He’s exactly what we could use at the top.
My preference might actually be to trade for Gardner which would allow us to use the following lineup:
1. Gardner CF 2. Prado LF 3. Heyward RF 4. Chipper 3B 5. McCann C 6. Uggla 2B 7. Freeman 1B 8. Gonzalez
Closer: I like the idea of Putz. Fuentes is another option, but he has had back issues and his lefty vs right numbers are scary bad.
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