2:13 pm November 22, 2010, by Carroll Rogers
November 26th, 20104:52 pm
If Hinske declines the Braves offer, would pursuing someone like Xavier Nady make sense?
November 26th, 20104:56 pm
I’m an SEC fan (UGA grad), but I think you guys are undervaluing Boise St., Oregon (especially) and TCU. Just because we’re the best conference doesn’t mean there aren’t great teams elsewhere.
Hate to say it, but I think Oregon would post 60 points on the Bulldogs this year.
Anyway, Dawgs open with Boise St. in Atlanta next year. BSU won’t be nearly as loaded as this year, but still should be fun.
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
November 26th, 20105:10 pm
Read somewhere today that Jeter and Yanks were gonna settle on a heavily-incentive-laden contract.
November 26th, 20105:20 pm
“did somebody really post that Oregon would go .500 in the SEC!?? ”
Yeah, I take it back – Kentucky, Tennessee, Vandy, and Mississippi – I dont see who else they’d beat
That business about “have you watched them play?”
Yes, I have – and there’s not a team they have played that has speed and quickness that even compares to the upper tier of the SEC
People thought Ohio State was great in ‘06. They thought Ohio State would blow out Florida.Why? Becaise Ohio State had dominated a bunch of big slow teams. Ohio State scored on Florida – once on an accident and once against the third string. The game was a mismatch
I live in Oklahoma – and am an OU fan – In 2008. OU scored about 60 points a game – the locals here thought they’d roll Florida. I told them – you have no concept – if you think you’re gonna score 60 on Florida you’re on drugs – you’ll be lucky to score 20
And meanwhile, Auburn is within 3
If Auburn wins this game – wow.
And if Auburn wins this game – I have $20 that says Oregon cant manage three scores on them in the championship. It will be like Ohio Stae Florida all over again – It will look like Auburn is offsides on every play because they’ll be in Oregon’s backfield before the sanp gets to quaretrback
I said before – I live in Oklahama. I’m an OU fan. Before that, I lived in Georgia, and I grew up in upstate NY. I have no love of Alabama. I hated Auburn for a long time after Pat Dye chickened out of going for a win against Syracuse in the 88(?) Sugar Bowl. Steve Spurrier is an obnoxious arrogant jerk, and the Gator chomp makes me feel like Ive eaten glass -
I really dont LIKE any of the SEC teams except UGA. But respect must be given where respect is due.
The league is THAT good. And they are two and half steps above any other
November 26th, 20105:21 pm
“Hate to say it, but I think Oregon would post 60 points on the Bulldogs this year”
There’s teams that can score 60 on the Dawgs.
But they dont play in the Pac-10
November 26th, 20105:30 pm
“As for the college football discussion, I am completely sold on Oregon”
I have to ask this. Based on what?
This is 2006 all over again. Just like Ohio State in 2006, Oregon is being touted as this superteam, and the bandwagon is growing. Meanwhile, the SEC teams beat the heck out of each other, and the games dont make one team look all pretty and stylish –
Lemme tell you – beating an Auburn or Alabama by 3 is a lot more impressive than scoring 50 on Stanford
November 26th, 20105:42 pm
Dodgers signing Garland sure solidifies that rotation. They got some rotations over there now that could rival some NL East rotations.
November 26th, 20105:45 pm
I bet RHR is on the verge of having a BF right now…
November 26th, 20106:01 pm
Whats up Braves fans? Happy belated Thanksgiving to all. I haven’t been here for a while. Been busy following this Jeter saga. It is absolutely delicous to watch unfold. It’s been everything I could have hoped for and more. Watching the mighty Yankees devalue the iconic “Captain” in public is almost surreal.
I swear I would change allegiances for the length of any contract any other team would sign Jeter away from the Yankees for now that the Yanks have dared him to look.
So yes I do have a price.
November 26th, 20106:12 pm
November 26th, 20106:18 pm
Yeah, I take it back – Kentucky, Tennessee, Vandy, and Mississippi – I dont see who else they’d beat — Robert
Let’s get this straight. Georgia loses to Colorado, one of the worst teams in the Big 12, and we’re supposed to buy that they’d beat Oregon? Seriously? Just because … well, because you say so?
I mean, even my Jayhawks beat Colorado this season, and KU has won only two other games — Georgia Tech and New Mexico State.
If I were Jeter, I would sign somewhere else for less money. 25M is way to much for Jeter. Maybe 15M is the right price. But, it has not been well handled by the Yankees. They are exposing both Jeter and themselves.
November 26th, 20106:25 pm
I guess Saban and the boys couldn’t get up for Auburn today. Or maybe they couldn’t “stay” up during the second half.
I have nothing against Alabama, except for their narcissitic coach!
Good game tonight: Jazz vs Lakers. Will Raja Bell ring Kobe’s bell tonight?
November 26th, 20106:26 pm
As for the college football discussion, I am completely sold on Oregon. But Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, South Carolina, Florida (in their down year), and EVEN Georgia are all better than TCU and Boise St. I am a Tennessee fan (hints in the name!) and if they played Boise’s schedule they would have lost to Va. — TennBravesFan
No doubt in my mind that the SEC West is the best division of the best conference. I mean, that’s obvious to anyone. (Just as it’s obvious the SEC East is mediocre this season.) But so many fans have to take the SEC boasting to ridiculous extremes, whereupon the chronic SEC myopia takes over and trumps all logic, defies all reason.
For instance, there are plenty of SEC football fans that can stick out their chests, for good reason. But right now, Tennessee might want to back off just a bit.
The Vols have played, what, two teams from west of the Mississippi in the past two years? UCLA and Oregon, unless I’m missing another game in there somewhere. They played both of those teams in Knoxville, losing last year to a UCLA team that finished 6-6 before barely beating Temple in something called the EagleBank Bowl. And they played Oregon in Knoxville this season — second game, long before the Vols could be beaten up by the unholy SEC schedule. Vols lost 48-13, their worst defeat of the season.
Doc- Jeter’s numbers aren’t worth even what the Yanks are offering him now but then again imo his numbers were never worth what he was paid all these years. The Yanks always spoke of his “intangibles”. What pray tell has happened to the intangibles? Funny the Yanks never bring them up anymore. This whole thing has gotten much much further than the Yanks thought it would. How could there not be some hard feelings on both sides after this?
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch though…….. (Yankees and Jeter)
November 26th, 20106:29 pm
My god, I’m down here in Va Tech territory visiting family for the holiday weekend and jumped on the blog to get away from all the incessant college football boasting that goes on in these parts and look what I’ve encountered on a baseball blog!
November 26th, 20106:30 pm
Jeters Pride has been sheeeet all over. Poor guy.
This will make some guy like Lee think twice before putting on the pinstripes.
November 26th, 20106:31 pm
No doubt the SEC is an awesome conference. But all the bragging is what makes it sooooo cool when they are brought down a notch or two.
November 26th, 20106:33 pm
This will make some guy like Lee think twice before putting on the pinstripes (Doc)
Gotta disagree with you there. Lee is looking at his last big deal. He’ll take the Yanks $120+ mil they’re gonna offer. Now, how Rivera approaches the Yanks is a different story. He’s been taking one year deals. Now that the Yanks have pledged it’s all business when dealing with FA’s Rivera reportedly is asking for 2 years at $18 mil per. It’s just business, nothing personal.
November 26th, 20106:37 pm
Doc- I’m sure Cashman and the Steinbrenner boys lay awake nights knowing it’s not that far away until Cano’s agent comes a calling (I don’t mean this off season). He’ll expect to end up somewhere between Tex’s deal and A-Rod’s.
$300 mil per year is coming for the Yanks. Mark my words.
November 26th, 20106:40 pm
$300 mil per year is coming for the Yanks. Mark my words.
Wow, is there any player that good in the league already?
November 26th, 20106:41 pm
November 26th, 20106:43 pm
Folks on here complain about the Braves salary constraints. Then we look at all the headaches the Yankees have with their aging team and payroll.
I personally prefer my team to have self imposed salary restraint, to a degree. If say Chipper, McLouth, Kawakami and Lowe all decided to retire this winter (being a bit ridiculous to make a point) I would NOT want my team to try to use up all that additional salary room. It would be much smarter to sign some of our younger guys and keep building like we have been.
Kinda like a consumer going down to Wal-Mart just because they got their $1,000 tax return and spending it all.
Does my point make sense?
November 26th, 20106:48 pm
Doc- I meant the Yanks annual payroll will be at $300 mil in the not too distant future. They were at $226 this year.
November 26th, 20106:50 pm
DS1 – Look at the Braves playoff team last year. That team wasn’t all that home grown.
November 26th, 20106:54 pm
Jeter is a class act; however, the Yankees “braintrust” have shown they are not–by making this negotiation public and their crass comments.
Hank Steinbrenner is a nobody. Where would he be without his daddy’s money?
Jeter deserves at least 4 yrs at $20 million per for what he means to that organization. His words and action over the last 15 years have been a great credit to the Yankees.
November 26th, 20106:55 pm
I’m sure Doc was just messin’ with you, Anders. Geez, loosen up, will ya?
November 26th, 20106:59 pm
I’m sure Doc was just messin’ with you, Anders. Geez, loosen up, will ya? (Tom O’Hawke)
Didn’t realize my answer seemed all that tight. I was just clearing up what appeared (and still does to me) to have been a misunderstanding. Anyway, good to see you again Tom.Hope you had a good holiday.
November 26th, 20107:01 pm
I did absolutely nothing, except eat and drink, Anders. So yeah, it was awesome! You?
November 26th, 20107:04 pm
Don’t get me wrong. The more home grown, the better. But I have no problems with adding players that are needed as a team evolves.
What I have a problem with is adding most of the main parts by signing the most expensive free agents.
I love that Jeter is home grown. And Mo and anybody else on the Yankees that is an original.
Heck, I don’t have issues with my team adding young (or older, depending on the need) players by using surplus. Cano, Smoltz, Lowe (necessary), McLouth, etc.
I just think that the model of going out and adding whatever is needed via free agency is coming back to bite the Yankees in the arse; and I love it. Kevin Brown, AJ Burnett, CC Sabathia, Teixeira, A-Roid (resiging), etc.
November 26th, 20107:07 pm
Tom- I’ve certainly been doing my share of eating and drinking. Getting well oiled right now to watch my hockey Rangers in about 1/2 an hour. (Glad my brother has the NHL package down here).
Enjoy yourself but don’t be driving.
November 26th, 20107:10 pm
DS1- FA is biting the Yanks in the arse? They just won the WS in 2009 after buying AJ, CC and Tex. You have it backwards. FA is what’s made the Yankees what they are. Period.
November 26th, 20107:17 pm
Agreed that free agency has bought the Yankees a couple of titles over the years. BUT, that whole model is going to bite them in the arse, don’t you think? Mo wants 2×18, Cano will want 20m+ per year. Jeter will hold them up much like A-Rod did a few years ago.
Now, if their revenues keep going up and up and up, maybe it doesn’t matter to them.
I guess where I get frustrated is when some fans on the blog expect the Braves and other mid-market teams to bid similarly for talent.
It just doesn’t work as well for our teams.
Adding big pay talent from other orgs is what has put them in this Jeter situation right now.
In Atlanta, the only real salary anvil is Chipper Jones. (Lowe is gone in 2 years)
And if the young players are smart, they will see that the reward for being a career Brave (with talent) will come back to reward them in the end if they are loyal.
When I was a kid back in the 60’s before the Braves came to ATL, I was a Yankee and Met fan. I can probably name 18-20 guys off that ‘69 Mets roster right now, but I gotta run and catch up with a couple of honey-do’s!
Have you visited with my man, richbrave, yet? Oh, and don’t worry, I never do any drinking and driving. I lost a close family member, years ago, due to a drunken driver.
November 26th, 20107:20 pm
I’m not the college football expert but I believe and hope that the national championship will be between Oregon and Auburn. Don’t care who is one or two just as long as its those two teams meeting. SEC East is definitely down this year and i’ve seen Georgia play all year and I ain’t buying what an earlier poster said about them being better than TCU or Boise. Sure ain’t buying the Vols either being better. I still believe the SEC is the best conference but I will admit, some people are getting ridiculous with it.
November 26th, 20107:23 pm
Where’s your fam? The door is always open here in S.W. RICHMOND (MIDLO). My great-uncle was head of civil engineering at TECH. So the roots go deep, although I went to U of R instead.
November 26th, 20107:25 pm
What you been listening to lately? Tried a little JOYCE COOLING, but only hit on a couple of hers that clicked with me. PANDORA RADIO is pretty cool. Have you tried it?
November 26th, 20107:32 pm
“But right now, Tennessee might want to back off just a bit.”
No way! We just won the NIT!
As for the football team, there have been over 30 plays we’ve run this season with at least 6 true freshmen on the field on offense. The turnover from two different head coaching changes leads to this sort of roster crisis. And we still were scaring Oregon until they were given the opportunity to regroup due to the lightning delay. Put me down in the group that doesn’t think Oregon would win the SEC East, much less be competitive in the SEC West.
November 26th, 20107:33 pm
I got deeply into that last list you gave me, and still am when there’s time. When I don’t have the time, I usually just listen to one of 3 stations on sat. radio. I heard enough of “Alice’s Restaurant” yesterday, and since last Friday, to easily last me another year.
November 26th, 20107:34 pm
$300 mil per year is coming for the Yanks. Mark my words. Anders
the matchup between the yanks and Ranger was the greatest payroll disparity in history between playoff teams, and the yanks lost
November 26th, 20107:37 pm
I forgot to answer your last question. Never heard of ” PANDORA RADIO”, but I just added it to your “new age” list you gave me. I’ll check it out.
November 26th, 20107:46 pm
when do catchers and pitchers report? all this football is driving me crazy and no movies on ppv. I’m rehabbing a knee surgery also and bored stiff. May send someone to get the Springsteen thingy to pass the time.
November 26th, 20107:57 pm
just pandora.com for free radio TOM
November 26th, 20107:59 pm
So do yall think Uggla’s contract demands will be more flexible or will he stick to his guns?(5 years 71 million) I personally think playing for the Marlins made his demands more concreate, now in Atlanta playing for a winning team thats expected to compete every season and being closer to his home state could make things different.
November 26th, 20108:00 pm
I think it might help some too Va, we’ll just hafta wait ‘n’ see
Oh, ha,ha, thanks nolie. Maybe that’s why I never heard of them.
November 26th, 20108:01 pm
November 26th, 20108:05 pm
The Braves will finish 2011 in 1st. or 2nd. place if their pitching stays healthy and the skipper doesn’t mess with rotation and they find a solid closer.But in spring training they teach each position player not only how to use the lost art of bunting and hitting the ball where it’s pitched.
November 26th, 20108:08 pm
November 26th, 20108:11 pm
Hi cabravesfan! I see you survived Thanksgiving. Atta girl.
November 26th, 20108:12 pm
Barely. As VJ can tell you, I made it home…and that was pretty much that
November 26th, 20108:15 pm
I think I put quite a burden on my digestive system. All I remember was either having a fork or a bottle up to my mouth. But I’m still here to talk about it.
November 26th, 20108:17 pm
I discovered Chocolate beer.
November 26th, 20108:19 pm
I saw VJ mention that. I would never have thought those two would ever go together. I mean, eat chocolate and then have a sip of beer. Yechhhhhhh! I guess I was wrong, huh?
November 26th, 20108:21 pm
It’s actually quite good. Has a cocoa taste at the beginning and then moves to an actual light chocolate bar aftertaste.
November 26th, 20108:23 pm
How come you never tried it before? Is it new?
November 26th, 20108:25 pm
No- at least I don’t think so! We got the Sam Adams winter mixed 12 pack and it included the Chocolate Bock.
November 26th, 20108:29 pm
Richbrave- Sorry, I left the blog to watch period 1 of the Rangers game. I’m in Midlothian right now visiting my brother and his family. The Tarrytown sub-division right of Robius. Do you know where that is? What a beautiful area this is.
November 26th, 20108:30 pm
Should say right off Robius.
Oh that’s right. I forgot. VJ did mention it was made from Sam Adams. In that case (no pun intended), it must be good.
November 26th, 20108:32 pm
I’ve always liked Sam Adams, but my favorite is still the Kona Fire Rock (we got some of that too )
November 26th, 20108:35 pm
Hey cabravesfan, do you sneak anything into the bottle of this “Chocolate Bock”, the way you do with “Blue Moon” and the orange slices? Ya know, a Hershey bar or something.
chocalate beer hmmm i’d give it a try.
November 26th, 20108:37 pm
Anders – my best friend back in Richmond lives in Midlothian – I saw your correction about Robius Rd and had to go back and see what you had said. I spent over 20 years in Mechanicsville…
November 26th, 20108:41 pm
VaBravesFan = female?
November 26th, 20108:43 pm
Venice Jim -small world huh? I’ll tell you what, I wouldn’t mind living full time in this area. Pretty country and rfeally nice people.
November 26th, 20108:49 pm
Tom O Hawke
no i’m a guy. I dont drink beer to often, but My favorite drink is a white russian or mud slide.
November 26th, 20108:54 pm
Nope. Didn’t need to sneak anything in it
You’d probably like it then- however, I do believe it is one of their seasonal beers that they only make in the winter time
November 26th, 20108:57 pm
Sorry, VaBravesfan. You seem to have a sweet tooth, yes? Plus, I was hoping you were a lady. I can never get enough of them.
November 26th, 20108:58 pm
Tom – ain’t that the truth – oh, wait, never mind…
November 26th, 20108:59 pm
Don’t worry, VJ, I won’t tell her.
November 26th, 20109:02 pm
lol its cool. Yeah I have a sweet tooth all the time. Agree with ya on the ladies too.
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
November 26th, 20109:06 pm
Have ya ever tried or had Honey Brown beer? That’s some good stuff. Haven’t had any in some time tho.
November 26th, 20109:21 pm
I have not had any Honey Brown beer – not a big honey fan
November 26th, 20109:46 pm
honey beer would be something like some varieties of mead I guess
Rob from SC
November 26th, 201010:12 pm
I have never disliked Derek Jeter, but I am beginning to now. Yes he has been a great player for the Yankees… but playing in New York made him a bigger deal than he really was.
You are set for life after a 189 million contract. You skills are decreasing and you should not be paid as much as Tex or AROD or Sabathia.
November 26th, 201010:13 pm
Happy Thanksgiving Blog-folk, Carroll, and DOB! Hope you all have a wonderful day with family and friends…obviously the blog has been good to me over the last year- I am very thankful for all of you that have become my friends (and especially one that has become so much more than that )! — cabravesfan, (yesterday afternoon)
You’re welcome, LAdy. I appreciate you, too!
November 26th, 201010:19 pm
DOB, thanks for clearing up the Mather situation for me. I’ve just read he’s a pretty athletic guy that can cover some ground in the OF. Didn’t realize he’s more of a corner OF/IF type player though.
Lew, I’m still a little concerned with our defense heading into next season. I said a little. Not much.cc
November 26th, 201010:20 pm
Tom – I commented to her after she posted that I knew she was referring to you…
November 26th, 201010:21 pm
Brian Wilson, closer for the Giants, is on a repeat of “Leno” tonight. I don’t know if any of you will still be around that late, but the man is a very entertaining listen-to.
November 26th, 201010:22 pm
Ha,ha, James. We sometimes think alike. As long as it wasn’t Dentz.
November 26th, 201010:24 pm
DOB, thank for clearing up the Joe Mather situation for me. I’ve just read that he’s a pretty athletic guy that can cover some ground in the OF. Didn’t realize he’s seen as more of a corner OF/IF than a CF though.
Lew, well I’m still a little concerned with our defense heading into next year. I said a little, not much. I’d like to see Gonzalez sure up at SS and if he’s going to be the CF then Nate most definitely has to be better and more aggressive out in center, as you/we know. No doubt I’ll cover my eyes when I see CJ dive for a ball or have to just go to his side at any point. Poor guy is almost glass anymore.
November 26th, 201010:30 pm
Tom – this is frightening – I’m reading an article in the NY Times entitled “Masters of Math: Babylonian Tablets That Survived Millenniums”
November 26th, 201010:36 pm
Sorry to appear obtuse, my friend, but you may have to explain why you consider that “frightening”.
November 26th, 201010:41 pm
Maybe “geek-like” would be a better word…
November 26th, 201010:42 pm
if they were that “right on” about math, maybe the Mayans were that right on about calendars
November 26th, 201010:46 pm
I don’t know about the Babylonians, but we don’t have to wait too much longer to find out about the accuracy of the Mayans.
November 26th, 201010:47 pm
nolie – so I guess that makes this a “must-win” season?
November 26th, 201010:48 pm
If Wren believed in the Mayans, he’d probably say to hell with the budget. Let’s do it in 2011!!!!
November 26th, 201010:49 pm
See, James? There we go again.
November 26th, 201010:50 pm
Verily and for soup…um, … forsooth…
November 26th, 201010:52 pm
November 26th, 201010:58 pm
Speaking of soup, I bought some turkey broth the other day. I like to make turkey soup.
Now, I ask you, why the hell can’t they sell turkey broth other times of the year? Chicken, chicken, chicken and more chicken broth. Turkey soup is good too.
November 26th, 201011:04 pm
Got waylaid by grandchildren and had to abandon the blog tonight. Lunch tomorrow around one? Just post up where and when, I’ll check in the morning.
November 26th, 201011:10 pm
We must be bored to be chatting about the 2012 apocalyptic nonsense. I’m pretty sure ya’ll are speaking in jest about such ridiculous topics, but I’m feeling the need for a soapbox moment:
The 2012-world-coming-to-an-end-myth was cooked up in the 70’s by some non-science types trying to sell books. They manipulated Mayan history and its calendar to sound scary in order to drum up sales. The garbage concerning the alignment of the planets, or the Sun facing the galactic center, and the rest of the supposed astronomical calamities that will curse the human race on December 21st, 2012 are total BS.
The Mayan calendar doesn’t end on December 21st, 2012 – it simply signifies the end of the 13th Baktun, and the beginning of the 14th. A baktun has 144,000 days (yeah, I looked that up).
Where’s cabravesfan? She got wined-out early on Wednesday evening. Last night she didn’t make an appearance at all due to being beered-out.
What the heck was she into tonight? I hope you’re not a bad influence on our LAdy.
November 26th, 201011:11 pm
You guys must be bored to be chatting about the 2012 apocalyptic nonsense. I’m pretty sure ya’ll are speaking in jest about such ridiculous topics, but I’m feeling the need for a soapbox moment:
November 26th, 201011:12 pm
Thanks for the double post Comcast. Its always nice to get a duplicate rant in.
November 26th, 201011:19 pm
We must be bored to be chatting about the 2012 apocalyptic nonsense. I’m pretty sure ya’ll are speaking in jest about such ridiculous topics, but I’m feeling the need for a soapbox moment: (from the 1st time) (Russell Bell)
That’s fine. DOB gets paid 5 cents per post. He kicks us back a penny per post when it’s slow like this. It adds up.
I’m not sure, however, if he pays again for repeat posts. You’ll have to ask him yourself.
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