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CB
November 23rd, 2010
8:25 pm
Those thinking Javy Vazquez might sign 1yr-4mil,Jayson Stark says he has turned down a 2yr –20mil offer. Hard to believe that one,though.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
November 23rd, 2010
8:26 pm
SoWeGa Fanatic
November 23rd, 2010
8:20 pm
I heard the Mets’ new GM on XM today, and he sounds a lot smarter than their last guy. Mets’ payroll after next year drops to $60 mill, giving them a lot of leverage considering it’s $140 mill now. With the new manager, who has always won, the Mutts may be shaping up in a few years.
the mets have 4 question mark players on the payroll for 2011 that add up to over 62 million bux!
i agree they have a chance to be better but not for a while… you can only sign so many free agents they wont all go to the mets in 2012… they have money to spend but dont expect the payroll to go up as high as it once was for a while… i think they should trade wright and reyes now while they arnt going to win and stock the hell out of their farm system and add pitchers worth watching !!! but they would never do that cus they are the mets!
braveschick
November 23rd, 2010
8:26 pm
well how much did victor martinez sign for the tigers today? 4 years and 50 million. i’m not saying that jeter wont get more than 3 years 45 million, just saying it’s possible because of his name
Eric In Albany N.Y.
November 23rd, 2010
8:29 pm
ok im with you on your last comment braveschick… you sold me! good job =)
braveschick
November 23rd, 2010
8:32 pm
lol thanks Eric In Albany N.Y.
Mikeyc588
November 23rd, 2010
8:34 pm
I would be absolutely amazed if Javier Vasquez DIDN’T sign for the Marlins within a week. Hasn’t he always made a big deal about being on the east coast and close to his native Puerto Rico? I can’t think of a better scenario than to get him back into the National League on a one year deal to try to re-establish some value.
Danga
November 23rd, 2010
8:36 pm
yankees will be fine without him
They could even be better on the field. Not so sure off the field. Jeter is the face of the franchise. I think his presence in the clubhouse probably takes a little pressure off of everyone else there. If that counts for anything anywhere, it would be in the Yankees clubouse. AND he is so close to 3,000 hits. 2011 should be a celebration of that at Yankee Stadium. Yanks should be generous here. Ain’t like they are hurting for the money.
Tomas
November 23rd, 2010
8:37 pm
Can’t believe the offers Vazquez is getting…….DOB and Bowman were actually right on this one……
The max I’d offer Vazquez is a 1 yr deal worth 5 million and he got an offer of 2 yrs 20 million he got offered arbitration and agree’d to turn it down. Don’t understand, how he can bounce back after what I saw this season. I know he played in a bang box in tougher league to pitch, and the toughest division in baseball, but his problems go beyond that.
His fastball lost 5 miles per hour he is throwing 88mph now. And his control was brutal. His k/9, BB/9, and k/BB all indicate a serious decline. He wasn’t even on the postseason roster for the Yankees.
For him to be successful he practically needs to reinvent himself, and he is getting huge offers……WTF
Bat Masterson
November 23rd, 2010
8:37 pm
I would be absolutely amazed if Javier Vasquez DIDN’T sign for the Marlins within a week.
Can’t see that happening Mikey.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
November 23rd, 2010
8:38 pm
im going to write the commish…
bud,
you suck, if you would like to suck less please but all west cost games Vs east coast teams on b4 4pm local time on mondays thru thursdays! i cant stand waiting up all night to see what happens in LA when it doesnt even start till my bedtime. please please please do this for me so i can hate you less for a couple days per year!
Efrim
November 23rd, 2010
8:39 pm
Johnson, Vazquez, Nolasco, Sanchez and Volstad is pretty darn good, imo.
Tomahawkin
November 23rd, 2010
8:40 pm
Had to step away for awhile I was prepping cajun shrimp whil bumping some old Ice Cube, Simply Red and some old Queen Latifah…
Eric In Albany N.Y.
November 23rd, 2010
8:42 pm
Danga Dont look now robinson cano is becoming the next “face of the yankees” he will wear the C in no time… the yankees are no worse without DJ! they wont win fewer games or lose any money if they lose jeter! the fans may cry but thats it again the game goes on!
Braveheart
November 23rd, 2010
8:43 pm
I’m just saying that you were all over the place in the point you were trying to make. Like maybe you shouldn’t quit your day job kinda thing. Just poking fun a little. Striking a nerve instead.
SoWeGa Fanatic
November 23rd, 2010
8:43 pm
Eric In Albany N.Y., Alderson(?) said today no one was untradeable, but did say Wright, Davis, Bay would take a lot. Heck, when he parts with Perez, Salazar, and a couple others, he improves the team dramatically.
Tomahawkin
November 23rd, 2010
8:45 pm
Efrim
“Johnson, Vazquez, Nolasco, Sanchez and Volstad is pretty darn good, imo.”
That rotation would be Sick if and only if Vazquez pitches like he did in 2009 for the Marlins…But I don’t think he goes there…
Not to mention their rotation gives us fits even w/o Vazquez and especially when we face them down in Ft Liquordale…
Mikeyc588
November 23rd, 2010
8:47 pm
Bat –
Why not? They saved a pretty big chunk by trading Uggla and his $10mm through arbitration to us and he would clearly be better served to come back to the NL.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
November 23rd, 2010
8:49 pm
SoWeGa Fanatic i heard the intervier… he sounded to me like it was not the dream job and it sounded like he didnt feel like the team was his yet… i think the first thing he should do is try his hardest to trade the only value on his team… i would keep davis cus he is the only guy that is young enough to build off of for the next 3-4 years
Danga
November 23rd, 2010
8:51 pm
Pagan would be a nice piece for this team to try to pry away from Alderson. Plays solid D at all 3 OF positions, and his bat ain’t bad even if he did play a bit over his head last season.
Braveheart
November 23rd, 2010
8:53 pm
I really like the Chuck and Matt Show…
Me too. Best sports radio show in town. Really like their chemistry.
Bat Masterson
November 23rd, 2010
8:53 pm
Mikey_
Just an off the top of my head opinion. Mostly because it’s the Marlins and I think Javy will get a multi-year deal somewhere.
Danga
November 23rd, 2010
8:58 pm
I don’t see any reason for the Mets to go nuts and start trading away all their talent. I would certainly be looking to build around guys like Wright, Reyes, and Davis rather than shipping them off. It isn’t like they’re the Pirates and need to unload talent for prospects just to stay solvent.
Tomahawkin
November 23rd, 2010
9:02 pm
Braveheart
[I really like the Chuck and Matt Show…]
“Me too. Best sports radio show in town. Really like their chemistry.”
You Damn Right Playa! I know those two read the blog because Matt Chernoff read the blog on the air today…And If they are reading this, Then I give them a stoopid Shout Out…! Rock On!
And I love it when Matt imitates Chuck’s Voice…Or tries to keep Chuck up on the Lingo…
Tomahawkin
November 23rd, 2010
9:02 pm
Danja
I want Jose Reyes as our next SS around 2013ish…
SoWeGa Fanatic
November 23rd, 2010
9:08 pm
The Mutts would have to trade low on Bay. Wright, Pagon, and Davis ain’t going anywhere. Pitcher dude whose name I can’t call right now is still hurting.
Tom O'Hawke
November 23rd, 2010
9:28 pm
Hello, everyone …
Many people think the Braves stole Uggla, I sincerely believe that after 1 year you will see this as a nothing deal that got 10 million off the books of the penurious Marlins. (Lou Vales)
One must wonder, then, why the penurious Marlins offered Uggla a 4-year, $50 million deal.
… and good by, everyone.
(Who was that guy?)
cabravesfan
November 23rd, 2010
9:33 pm
Tom-
You aren’t leaving are you? You just got here!
Lou Vales
November 23rd, 2010
9:38 pm
I really did come in peace. I really do believe Uggla is one of the good guys in the game.I also believe if you watch 90% of the Braves’ games–which many of you seem to do–you will have a very similiar opinion to Dan as the opinion I have.I would say the most similiar feelings we will have about Uggla by end of the season is Why??? does he chase so many bad pitches late in counts after watching so many good pitches early in counts. You will also grow infuriated numerous times by the “helicopter” swing with bat winding above the top of his head–watch for it–and the swing that winds up with a near genuflection on his left knee.
Dan always reminded me of Rocky Colavito when I first started following baseball. Would sneak out to an afternoon game in Tiger Stadium and see him pop out in the 7th with go ahead runner on 3rd, ground into a DP with runners on 1st and 3rd in bottom of 9th and then hit a majestic solo homer in the bottom of 11th after Yanks has scored 6 in top of the frame.
IF you follow close attention you will really like Dan Uggla as a human being but you certainly will be lined up against Bravesoffering him 60 million for 4 years.
Just give it a chance.
DS1
November 23rd, 2010
9:39 pm
Now we have a “braveschick” on the board. Maybe I should be come “bravesdude” instead of Da Sensitive One???
How ya been cab and folk?
Lotsa snow out this way this afternoon/evening.
DS1
November 23rd, 2010
9:40 pm
definitely a glass half empty sorta guy, ain’t he………
cabravesfan
November 23rd, 2010
9:42 pm
DS1-
Hey! We’re good (VJ’s at work)- how you been?
cabravesfan
November 23rd, 2010
9:42 pm
It’s been freezing here…no snow though
Lou Vales
November 23rd, 2010
9:46 pm
Tom, The Marlins were put in a position where they had to offer the man 48 million. I know the concept of “having to offer the man 48 million” sounds silly but just look at the Yankees who have to offer an aging SS who had worse offensive numbers than Johnny Damon and has so little range that newcomers to baseball actually believe his first name is “Justoutofthereachofadiving” 45million.
It’s a crazy world. A study shows 53% of American couples between 50 and 60 only have 33,000 in equity and that 63%of Americans in that age bracket will be living SOLELY on social security by the time they are 70 and YET they will agonize over Derek getting his 60 million. Wow!!
DS1
November 23rd, 2010
9:47 pm
temps down in the low 20’s and heading lower, wind howling. Little bit of snow right now, but not like 2 hrs ago! Hey, it’s winter.
Can’t tell you folks how excited I was for the Braves to pick up a legit power threat. Now it’s all tweeking from here on out.
DS1
November 23rd, 2010
9:49 pm
Derek can have his millions……….I just initiated my “burrito” pension from career number 1. Who’s jealous of who, Derek???
cabravesfan
November 23rd, 2010
9:50 pm
DS1-
It’s all the way down to 55 right now- the low for the week is actually 39(!) on Wednesday night
b-rabbit
November 23rd, 2010
9:55 pm
Who let Kelly Johnson in the door?
DS1
November 23rd, 2010
9:55 pm
cab
Hey, I’d normally go into tease mode here, but it’s all relative. When I lived in Houston, we would die when it would get down below 50! Not such a big deal now.
Baseball names to throw out for discussion: Fontenot or Theriot. Ex-Cubbies. If they are non-tendered, whaddya think they’ll cost some club? Would one of them be a good fit on the Braves?
DS1
November 23rd, 2010
9:57 pm
I also think we need an established arm for the pen. I think counting on the young guys for the entire year might be a recipe for disaster. I suspect we are really going to miss Medlen next year (and Infante!).
cabravesfan
November 23rd, 2010
9:57 pm
DS1-
VJ laughs at me when I say 60 is chilly, then asks where all the warm weather I promised him is
Fontenot and Theriot are mainly 2nd/SS aren’t they? (I honestly can’t remember…) If so, not sure how either would work…
P'cola Brave
November 23rd, 2010
10:04 pm
Theriot would be the best backup available. I would gladly take him. He may get a starting job however.
P'cola Brave
November 23rd, 2010
10:05 pm
Not sure how much SS experience Fontenot has if any. Really only seen him at 2nd and 3rd.
cabravesfan
November 23rd, 2010
10:09 pm
P’cola Brave-
Ah, yes- you would be correct about Fontenot…still not sure if it would be the best fit. More interested in pen help and outfield backup
P'cola Brave
November 23rd, 2010
10:11 pm
Not really worried about the OF backup. I really like Young and if Hinske is signed we should be ok there until trade deadline. I’m not comfortable with Diory as a backup MIF. Its definitely not top priority. Signing a BU 1B/OF/PH is front of the list, followed by relief help, then MIF help.
DS1
November 23rd, 2010
10:11 pm
We really need someone who can play a decent SS and can pinch hit. Both of those guys can play second and third (I know Fontenot has played third in SF this year).
I just don’t think we can hang our hats on Diory Hernandez yet.
There might be some others I am not thinking of right now. Those two were on the potential non-tender list.
Prado is the big backup for third and second. Conrad will be the backup to the backup and the PH’er. We need someone who can spell A-Gon for 10-15 games next year and who can hit a bit off the bench.
While I would love to see Matty D come back to form, I have my doubts the Braves are going to talk to him much. Anybody else we get will have their own issues (like Diaz does).
Who are the potential relievers who could close if needed, or set up? I still am holding out hope that Saito will be signed to an incentive contract. When he is on, he is electric! A good manager would not have any major issues with limiting his work.
P'cola Brave
November 23rd, 2010
10:14 pm
DS1
My pick for the pen is Jon Rauch. Theriot would be amazing. Guy who can play 2B/3B/SS and hit off the bench. Afraid he’ll end up outta our price range though. I don’t know that Fontenot fits if he can’t play SS.
DS1
November 23rd, 2010
10:14 pm
P’cola
I suspect Hinske will take the two year deal if Milwaukee offers it. I don’t think you risk a 2nd year on a guy who had a hot 1/3 of a year, and a fairly inconsistent 2/3 of the rest of the season.
I wonder if the X-man Nady would sign for 1-2 million? I’d love to have that guys’ bat off the bench and to backup first base. He really picked it up in the last couple of months of the season.
DS1
November 23rd, 2010
10:16 pm
Rauch would be a good sign. Maybe Kelvim Escobar if he is healthy?
P'cola Brave
November 23rd, 2010
10:18 pm
DS1
Did Escobar ever get healthy last year? If Hinske goes to Milwaukee, I think hands down you got to go for Nady. Fits the role.
P'cola Brave
November 23rd, 2010
10:22 pm
Another name I find interesting for the pen is Chad Qualls. I know he played terrible in ‘10 but he was otherwise solid his whole career.
cabravesfan
November 23rd, 2010
10:23 pm
P’cola Brave -
What you said about a back-up 1B/OF/PH is what I meant…well, emphasis on OF/PH. I hate the idea of losing Hinske, but I just have a feeling he’s going to the Brewers. A 2 year deal combined with being able to play at home might be too much to resist.
I think that a back up SS/3B is at the bottom of the list of needs (keep in mind my list is only about 3 spots long)
P'cola Brave
November 23rd, 2010
10:26 pm
Did Milawaukee offer two years? If so he may be gone. Like I said to DS1, I’d take Nady for a 4/5th OF. He’d fill a lot of our voids. Matt Young fills your defense and speed plus a pretty solid avg. and OBP.
P'cola Brave
November 23rd, 2010
10:29 pm
Plus Nady plays 1B
cabravesfan
November 23rd, 2010
10:29 pm
I’m going to say a big NO on Kelvim Escobar. Guy’s been hurt for the last 3 years and I don’t think he’s worth even taking a flyer on (He’s pitched in one game since 2008)
Tomahawkin
November 23rd, 2010
10:35 pm
Why Does the name Kelvim Escobar remind me of Jorge Sosa?
glord1
November 23rd, 2010
10:41 pm
Assuming Uggla gets about 10 mil this year what does that leave let over?
Braveheart
November 23rd, 2010
10:42 pm
“As much as we want to keep everybody, we’ve already made these guys very, very rich, and I don’t feel we owe anybody anything monetarily,” Hank Steinbrenner said Tuesday. “Some of these players are wealthier than their bosses.”
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2010/11/23/hank-weve-already-made-these-guys-very-very-rich/
P'cola Brave
November 23rd, 2010
10:53 pm
Sign
1.) Hinske/ Nady
2.) Rauch/ Qualls
3.) Theriot/ Felipe Lopez
And we should be set.
Braveheart
November 23rd, 2010
10:57 pm
My pick for the pen is Jon Rauch.
Rauch doesn’t seem to fit the Wren/McDowell profile. They tend to value strikeouts, groundballs, and lefties. Rauch does seem to be really good at inducing infield fly balls though, which suppresses his HR9 rates, and he’s got good walk rates.
Tomahawkin
November 23rd, 2010
10:59 pm
I’d rather us dumpster-dive for a veteran reliever…especially since we are stacked with up and coming young arms that can help in the Pen when needed
BB FAN
November 23rd, 2010
11:02 pm
It’s been a while since I have posted, but I started reading some of this tonight. I love the Uggla trade. I just hope he will resign for a reasonable amount. I actually though Florida offered a very good deal and was surprised Uggla declined it. We’ll see if it’s just Florida that he was tired of.
Anyway, I hope Hinske comes back. I think his bat off the bench and his clubhouse attitude is worth a 2 year, 2.5-3.0 million deal. If he wants two years, let him have it. It’s not like we are talking about 10 mill a year.
I also think the Braves need to add more power to the bench too. And Andruw Jones would be a great one to get. He won’t hit for a high average but he hits homeruns, drives in key runs and draws a decent amount of walks to keep his OBP respectable. I saw him play the outfield for the White Sox last year a few times and he did well. I know he’s not the Gold Glove centerfielder he once was, but I think he would be a great 4th outfielder. He signed for like 1.5 mill early last offseason. I doubt he would want much more seeing how he had almost the same year he had in Texas in 09.
The Braves probably also need to replace Infante. Jerry Hairston Jr would be great. I think he made around 2 mill last year.
A good bullpen arm would be Jon Rauch. I think he made less than 3 mill last season.
The sad part is even though those four players would only make a combined 8 or 9 mill for next year, the Braves probably can’t afford them. I hope they make a splash with their bench to solidify it again. And bring Andruw home would just be great.
P'cola Brave
November 23rd, 2010
11:03 pm
Chad Qualls may be your dumpster dive. He made 4 mil last year but with a terrible year this year I could see him slipping to around 2 mil.
nolie
November 23rd, 2010
11:13 pm
if we need a guy coming off a terrible year why not just use Proctor. he can stink it up too and will be cheaper
DS1
November 23rd, 2010
11:19 pm
nolie
Didn’t Proctor have a couple of decent outings near the end of the season? Maybe he is ready to rebound next year. Won’t cost much to try.
I suspect we might pick up 2-3 more like him and see what sticks.
Or go for Mo Rivera………….
nolie
November 23rd, 2010
11:24 pm
I think we should sneak in there and sign Jeets. They say he led all those 90s Yanks teams to WS wins, Even though he seems to have forgotten how tp lead like that through the last decade, maybe he could discover the magic again and would lead us to a few this decade. Dounds like he can be gotten cheap for such an amazing clubhouse presence.
P'cola Brave
November 23rd, 2010
11:24 pm
Qualls had an abnormal year which I think will cause his value to fall. Before this year his ERA has always been in the mid to lower 3’s. Hes worth a shot if the price is right. If not you move on to other targets. I would still see what Rauch is asking for first.
Tomas
November 23rd, 2010
11:28 pm
Harold Reynolds says Uggla deserves the same as Utley or close to it. Defense is the difference between the two, and Utley is more of an average hitter than Uggla, but Uggla has more pop
McFann O O
November 23rd, 2010
11:34 pm
Eric IM A BIG DOUBLES GUY!!!
Doubles are the greatest…RBI Doubles are my favorite kind of hit, but that’s not much in the way of “news”.
Brave4life I feel bad for McCann right now
Me, too…
McCann has been snubbed for too many years.
Ja.
But at least the players and coaches have known enough to pick him! And he showed everybody this past All-Star Game what he’s made of! 
CB She is lovely until you say something bad about Brian McCann,then you better duck!
nolie
November 24th, 2010
12:02 am
but who would EVER say anything bad about McCann?
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
12:13 am
bravey, your boy josh smith is about to go jeff francoeur. just thought i told you so.
zero fundamentals. has got zero bettter, but he can jump high.
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
12:15 am
nolie, i will.
unless he learns to hit it again the other way he will struggle.
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
12:17 am
he aint good enough to hit it over the shift.
that is reserved for guys like thome, howard, dunn, and fielder.
unless macc muscles up and hits forty, he hits rigth into that shift.
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
12:24 am
DOB, you got me hooked on SOA. this season has been good. not great like breaking bad or rubicon but real good.
nolie
November 24th, 2010
12:36 am
I would not rate Rubicon in quite the same league with either of those others myself
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
1:03 am
nolie, loved the first season of rubicon. find the SOA somewaht out there.
ward
November 24th, 2010
1:27 am
Hello every one: Nolie it’s good to have the salary cap. It keeps baseball honest. Other wise the Yankees would buy The World Series.Sorry about my spelling again. I just realized to post .280 batting average for Chipper Jones a correction.
ward
November 24th, 2010
1:32 am
What about Cory Patterson? He would be a great bench player, and a great forth out fielder. He could be a little high though.
ward
November 24th, 2010
1:38 am
Wren did say he wanted to give Joran Shcafer a shot at center field as well. i would like to see Shcafer, and Matt Young at Center, and I still have my doubts about Nate.
ward
November 24th, 2010
1:41 am
I think Jordan Shcafer will do great too.
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
1:47 am
vidication is great. humility better. let us s see how much adulation treats michael vick.
good for him. he definetely paid his due.
sometimes adulation is harder.
ward
November 24th, 2010
1:56 am
Hinske: Has been declined now too. No Hinske. Glaus, and Lee. Braves want Freeman as First baseman.
nolie
November 24th, 2010
2:12 am
Uga, you know they cancelled Rubicon, right?
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
2:19 am
nolie, really. that stinks.
nolie
November 24th, 2010
2:21 am
yep it does, I was hoping it would come back
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
2:24 am
nolie, never got into mad men. but i really liked that show. really disapointed to hear that.
wish amc would of given it a better chance.
kinda like friday night lights.
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
2:25 am
nolie, it had serious potential. but like they say some like checkers, some like chesss.
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
2:27 am
so correct me if i am wrong, hinske turned down the current contract offered?
nolie
November 24th, 2010
2:28 am
I do not like Mad Men at all, liked Rubicon, Breaking bad is awesome and i like The walking dead pretty good so far. It has already been renewed and for more episodes next year
nolie
November 24th, 2010
2:30 am
I don’t know Uga, did he? Someone said that tonight but I’m not sure if it really happened or not. Won’t surprise me if it is just a one year offer.
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
2:32 am
i know you are a diaz fan, but i dont see it as a part time player.
he is not a good pinch hitter. not a good situational hitter.
swings at just about everything.
not a guy i want hitting with runners at 2nd and 3rd with one out.
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
2:36 am
either way that wont make the braves season.
jjj, is the key to the rotation. if he bounces back and loses some weight, that is the key.
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
2:38 am
gotta have that third guy after hudson and lowe. still not sold on hanson.
dont know why i say that just a hunch. still waiting on hanson to develop that killer changeup.
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
2:41 am
if hanson ever develops some type of off speed thing he will be dangerous.
right now he he fastball and slider.
gotta get hitters off the same type of speed.
ward
November 24th, 2010
2:44 am
I’ll be suprised if Diaz is still around? He will be the odd man out.
ward
November 24th, 2010
2:46 am
What do you guy’s think about Cory Patterson? He might be high priced, but a good bench player with speed.
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
2:46 am
a great changeup defines pitchers.
most lh’ers like hammels and santana live by it.
rh’s not so much. a cutter or a off speed slider.
either way gotta change speeds.
when hanson can throw that pitch without tipping it he will be money.
ward
November 24th, 2010
2:47 am
I think he did, because the Braves declined him 6 hours ago.
ward
November 24th, 2010
2:50 am
Hanson learns to keep his change up down, and away, he’ll do just fine. J.J. should be the 3rd pitcher in the rotation.
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
2:51 am
saw games last year ie. the white sox when it looked like the hitters knew what was coming. same thing when the cardinals got him.
uga-brave
November 24th, 2010
2:54 am
aint about keeping it down and away, it is about having a out pitch.
hanson, threw way to many pitches last year, early.
he needs a consistent out pitch. no foul balls.