Padres’ Black is NL manager of year; Braves’ Cox is 4th

Bobby Cox finished in fourth place for NL Manager of Year in his final season as Braves manager.

San Diego Padres manager Bud Black won the award, edging Cincinnati’s Dusty Baker by one point in one of the closest races in the history of awards balloting by the Baseball Writers Association of America.

Cox, who retired after the Braves’ division-series loss against San Francisco, received one first-place vote, four second-place votes and 11 third-place votes to total 28 points, two fewer than Giants manager  Bruce Bochy and eight points ahead of fifth-place finisher  Charlie Manuel of Philadelphia.

Black got 16 first-place votes and 104 total points, while Baker received 13 first-place votes and 103 points. Thirty-two writers voted for the award — two representing each NL city — and the only managers to receive first-place votes other than Black and Baker were Cox, Bochy and Manuel (one apiece).

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vmguru

November 17th, 2010
2:32 pm

First on a DOB blog!

vmguru

November 17th, 2010
2:33 pm

It would have been nice for Bobby to win but Bud Black and the others did a really good job as well. No real standout this year.

Scott

November 17th, 2010
2:36 pm

Surprising…Cox seemed to do the most with the least (and made the playoffs). Thought that plus the sentimental aspect would push him over the top.

jokurone

November 17th, 2010
2:39 pm

Freddie will win the award this coming season with that lineup how can he not?

GPB

November 17th, 2010
2:52 pm

Scott, can you even name someone on the Padres? Exactly.

Considering the Padres were planning on trading away a bunch of talent come the All Star break in April, the fact they almost won he division and wild card is amazing.

Ken Stallings

November 17th, 2010
2:54 pm

This really makes me angry! I understand Heyward losing out to Buster Posey for ROY, and there was never any doubt about Roy Holliday for Cy Young — hand’s down choice!

But, Bobby Cox took a rag tag group of mostly average players to the brink of winning the NL East against the Phillies, and then held onto the NL Wildcard with a lineup decimated by injuries to not only several players, but several star players!

Without their best hitter, their best clutch power hitter, and with injuries to two of the starting pitchers, Cox worked his magic.

Bud Black nor Dusty Baker faced these challenges. Black’s team collapsed down the stretch to give up the NL West to the Giants, and did not even earn the Wildcard.

Terrible choice! Terrible choice! Bobby Cox should have won this award for not only the reasons outlined, but also as the obvious swan song selection to end his HOF career.

RegularJoe

November 17th, 2010
3:00 pm

vmguru- Yeah, but you’re still a tool.

I didn’t expect Bobby to win it. Congrats to Bud Black. He deserved it this year.

Mr. Baseball

November 17th, 2010
3:13 pm

Cox’s poor showing in the voting I believe is a backlash over the immodesty and pomposity of the “Cox Farewell Tour”. This was made even worse by the absolute pretentiousness of showing the list of gifts bestowed upon Cox in his honor. Oh darn Florida for now bowing before Sir Bobby!!

A little bit of humility goes a long way to perpetuating a positive legacy. What prevented Cox from doing what Lou Pinella did? Lou was done, he said toight’s my last game, see ya. Why couldn’t Cox have shown that same amount of class? Ego perhaps?

Yes – winning 1 World Series in 14 tries is enough to pump up anyone’s ego.

Byron

November 17th, 2010
3:16 pm

If you look at what each manager had to deal w/ on paper, Bobby looks like the better NL skipper. He had more injury problems & bulls*&t to handle than the other guys. Bud Black certainly has improved as a manager & deserves props for it…but NL manager of the year? NO!!!

ArkyTech

November 17th, 2010
3:19 pm

Mr. Baseball, one of the most ignorant posts I’ve seen on here (and that’s saying a lot).

Gotcurry04

November 17th, 2010
3:20 pm

Why is Charlie Manuel even on the list? He took at $180 mil payroll and choked in the playoffs. He has the easiest job in the National League. “Hmmm which All Star do I want to start today?”

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
3:21 pm

Cox’s poor showing in the voting I believe is a backlash over the immodesty and pomposity of the “Cox Farewell Tour”. — Mr. Baseball

Fourth place, two points behind Bruce Bochy, is a “poor showing” in voting. Really?

And you call yourself “Mr. Baseball”?

By the way, if you saw any interviews with Cox about the farewell tour, you’d know he was uncomfortable with it every step of the way, but teams wanted to do it, and he went out of his way to say how unnecessary it was, but how much he did appreciate it. He did anything but revel in it.

Oh, and he never, ever displayed the parting gifts he received. A Braves PR offiicial, when asked by media in a couple of cities — including Florida, where writers there were surprised that the Marlins were the only teams to not acknowledge his retirement — ran off a list, off the top of his head, of the stuff Cox had received. Because writers asked, not for any other reason. And it wasn’t Cox who did it, it was a team PR person.

You act like Cox had the stuff displayed in his office so he could show people. Give me a break. The guy tried to steer conversations away from the topic whenever it came up in each city after he was presented with something else. Local writers in that city would ask about the whole retirement thing again and again, and he always tried to deflect attention, saying his longevity and career wins, etc., were just a result of having great players.

mike

November 17th, 2010
3:22 pm

Good choice! You don’t win awards for almost winning this or that, the awards come when you produce and Cox did not produce!

John OTC

November 17th, 2010
3:22 pm

I think it kind of fits. Isn’t the wild card kind of like getting fourth place in the NL.

I hate the Ricky Bobby mentality we have. Our manager was noted for being way above average and all we can do is moan.

Mr. Baseball

November 17th, 2010
3:27 pm

I suppose, Arky, that it must be ignorant because you disagree. How many other sports figures can you name who “retired” a year in advance? Tell me how this helped the team? When they left Atlanta on the special #6 plane, they proceeded to get swept in Philadelphia.

It was all about his ego – and the local media and fans were all enablers to this.

Michael Procton

November 17th, 2010
3:37 pm

Nothing to do with a voter backlash. We were just too good too early.

vmguru

November 17th, 2010
3:38 pm

RegularJoe – whats with the name calling? You just trying to be rude or something?

DOB – looks like the off-season bloggers are in rare (i.e. bad) form today! Whenever I read one of these blogs I continue to be amazed at the alternate universes some contributors come up with. It makes one wonder what planet they were born on! It’s kind of like looking at a red light and saying – looks green to me! Amazing….and sad at the same time that people have such poor observation and recognition skills.

Go Braves in 2011…

Michael Procton

November 17th, 2010
3:38 pm

Nothing to do with a voter backlash. We were just too good too early. We didn’t have a ton of talent, and certainly weren’t picked by much of anybody to make the playoffs, much less lead the division for 80% of the year, but when we were so good early, voters probably said “Oh, they must just be really good.” Teams that do work at the end of the year are the types to draw this sort of attention.

Chris

November 17th, 2010
3:39 pm

Bravo DOB, for showing a true idiot the truth. Some people want to be classless morons who continue to rail against Bobby for whatever reason. Pick a different name, because you’ve shown your ignorance.

Giants Fan

November 17th, 2010
3:49 pm

I think Dusty should have won, make the playoff then you can win it. I don’t believe you should win this if your team blows a 8 game lead over the last month. As for Bobby Cox, Did someone say that the braves were “on the brink of winning the NL east”, what baseball season were you watching? They got blown out of that race in the last month and limped backwards into the playoffs. They lost the division by six games and looked like crap during September and collapsed just as much as the padres and thanks to the giants they still got in. Bobby Cox is great don’t get me wrong but he belongs behind dusty, bud and Bruce this year.

Ken

November 17th, 2010
3:50 pm

1st place…4th place… what matters is what Bobby brought to us… we who call Metro Atlanta our home, not just a temporary pit stop on a displaced job hunt. Bobby was the coach who brought success to Atlanta sports, and on a consistant basis. THANK-YOU BOBBY FOR ALL THOSE MEMORIES. Side note… If you don’t like it here, and want to rag on all that is Atlanta, Remember, DELTA IS READY WHEN YOU ARE!

iFrech

November 17th, 2010
3:51 pm

mike:

I think your confusing Bud Black with Bruce Bochy. I know, I know…They are both BB, they both manage in California, to teams starting with San…

but Bochy won nothing.Yet you still say “You don’t win awards for almost winning this or that, the awards come when you produce and Cox did not produce!” Cox *at least* got into the playoffs. Double Standards, I guess.

I agree with it being ridiculous Manuel got votes; Either Black or Bochy or Cox would be good winning the award. But it’s sad not to see Bobby get it.

As for “Mr. Baseball”. You’re an ignorant douche.

vmguru

November 17th, 2010
3:51 pm

Well said Ken.

Chris

November 17th, 2010
3:53 pm

We blew an 8 game lead because we were fielding a MASH unit.

TOMY FOURNIER

November 17th, 2010
3:53 pm

I’M VERY HAPPY…NO MORE MOROOOOOOOOOOOOOON “COX”!!!!…GREAT!!!!

Braves Fan Since I Moved Here 1984

November 17th, 2010
3:55 pm

Well, that’s nuts. Anybody over Bobby Cox this past season is nuts. Well, moving on .. With Dan Uggla at second base and Martin Prado most likely in left field, now we need to fix center field .. The casting call for that job ought to include Andruw Jones who hit 19 home runs last year in Chicago .. Not sure about his contract status but he’s not on their 40-man roster this afternoon .. Who would we rather have, Jones hitting .230 with 19 home runs or Nate McLouth hitting .190 with six home runs? We’re talking about somebody to hit seventh or eighth … Braves at least need to have enough center fielders in camp that the job does not go by default to McLouth ..

vmguru

November 17th, 2010
3:59 pm

I will never understand why so many people on this blog have so much hate for Bobby Cox. You are in such a minority that you need to just go away and stop polluting the web. It just seems odd to me that the players that he managed loved to play for him and yet an ordinary citizen that in all likelihood has never even met the man can have such hatred for him. That just seems incredibly illogical to me.

As the old movie line said… “Lighten up Francis…”

john galt

November 17th, 2010
4:07 pm

Mike – “you don’t win awards for almost winning this or that”??? Is that what you just said? What “this or that” did Bud Black win? Come on, Bobby produced one of his best coaching jobs EVER, given the level of talent he had and the injuries he faced, and still made the playoffs. Black faded down the stretch and handed the West to the Giants. Now, if Bochy had won the award, I might understand it, but there was no one else in the League more deserving than Bobby Cox.

jayvee

November 17th, 2010
4:16 pm

Bud Black far and away deserves this award. The Padres were picked to finish last, and he almost won the most competitive division in the NL. Lost it on the last day.

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

November 17th, 2010
4:19 pm

If you gave Mike a hundred dollar bill, he would bitch because it wasn’t 5 twenties. Some people don’t understand greatness.

jayvee

November 17th, 2010
4:25 pm

I intend to beat the drum early and often for the Braves to acquire Jacoby Ellsbury. He would be a great addition to this team, would steal 60 bags and score 110 runs. Dude plays great defense, too. He’s a big game player, gets key hits. And he’s only earning 400k. Don’t see why the Sox would part with him, but it seems like he might be on the market.

Low and outside

November 17th, 2010
4:25 pm

Who got the 2 votes from Atlanta? Was it any ajc reporters?

savannahdawg

November 17th, 2010
4:27 pm

I can see Bruce winning, The Giants did win the series but Bobby finishing 4th? That is a bunch of crap! Bud didn’t win his division or make the playoffs. Bobby did more with less the second half of the season. He is my manager of the year!!!

Sign Bill Hall

November 17th, 2010
4:29 pm

Jayvee…Ellsbury was out 90% of last year. Nobody knows what he can do when he comes back. It would be a gamble. He was good but no power.

doggiesbestbreggy

November 17th, 2010
4:32 pm

“Any of you homos call me Francis and I’ll kill ya…”

effing classic scene… “Chicks dig me cause I rarely wear underwear..”

Mr Baseball – when you look up “spoon” in the dictionary there is a picture of your ugly mug shown

Sign Bill Hall

November 17th, 2010
4:34 pm

Mgr of year award is like a beauty contest.. everyone has a opinion and a daughter in the race.

Mr. Baseball

November 17th, 2010
4:36 pm

I suppose I should have stuck around……….

I appreciate your comments re: Cox, DOB. You know the person and I don’t. Like everyone else here, I drew my opinions about him from writers like yourself and watching and listening to the games. However, I still submit that this whole retire a year early thing and the “celebrations” opened Cox up to the scrutiny and criticism that simply would not have happened if he had held off and announced and retired – as planned – at the conclusion of this year. Was this his idea or the brainchild of a team/company that will leave no stone unturned when it comes to squeezing another dollar out of this operation?

Please don’t suggest to me that the man of his stature and clout within the organization could not have orchestrated his exit in any manner he chose.

Don't touch my JUNK!

November 17th, 2010
4:37 pm

Jayvee @ 4:16..you are correct…..Heluva Job….

Displaced Braves Fan

November 17th, 2010
4:39 pm

I like how Mr. Baseball failed to reply to DOB’s scathing retort. As always, well done, DOB!

Ed Zachary

November 17th, 2010
4:42 pm

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
4:44 pm

Was this his idea or the brainchild of a team/company that will leave no stone unturned when it comes to squeezing another dollar out of this operation?

Please don’t suggest to me that the man of his stature and clout within the organization could not have orchestrated his exit in any manner he chose. — Mr. Baseball

Cox said at the time of the announcement in Sept. 2009, and many times during the 2010 season when asked, that he had the Braves make the announcement the year before he retired for one big reason: He knew if he didn’t, that if there was no announcement, that he’d probably let himself or others convince him to stick around for another year, and another year… He wanted to put the pressure on himself, not give himself any wiggle room, announce he was retiring and had a five-year consulting contract lined up with team after that.

And his wife bought two expensive cruise tickets for them for April 2011 for the same reason — so there could be no change or heart, no turning back on the decision to retire.

ATL Fan

November 17th, 2010
4:48 pm

Were they voting alphabetically? B,B,B,C…Just wondering?

Don't touch my JUNK!

November 17th, 2010
4:48 pm

I thought the players gave them the cruise? do they get two cruises? DOB who got the 2 votes from ATHlanta

Don't touch my JUNK!

November 17th, 2010
4:51 pm

Atlanta…wow.. sorry

Chris

November 17th, 2010
4:52 pm

Yes, 2 cruises. Wife bought one, players bought the other.

ATL Fan

November 17th, 2010
4:53 pm

Cox has his faults, but he has always been a great manager. He also knows talent. I remember when Joe Torre was asked about the great year he was having as the new Braves manager, his response was that it was Bobby Cox’s team and he was just winning with Bobby’s team.

10-1 lead after 3

November 17th, 2010
4:55 pm

Gosh bless Bobby and all, but the fact remains he managed for nearly 30 years and won 1 championship although he clearly had the best talent for many of those seasons. Even this year, his team went meekly again in the 1st round.

I thinketh that doth writer hath gotten too close to the person he’s supposed to be covering.

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
4:58 pm

10-1 lead after 3: You thinketh that, do ya? Good for you.

You missed a good division series between the Braves and Giants (I saw your line about going meekly, let me know you didn’t get to watch the games).

Oh, one more thing: “Doth writer”?

JeanE

November 17th, 2010
5:03 pm

That is a crock of you-know-what…Cox did more with less than any manager this past year. What a joke that he didn’t get it!

JeanE

November 17th, 2010
5:04 pm

Oh and I’m still pissed they aren’t resigning Diaz. Big BIG mistake, Frank.

Desibrave

November 17th, 2010
5:04 pm

First of all Manager Of Year is a meaning less award. Teams win/lose 95% of the games based on their performance and not based on who the manager was and what he did. It is pure waste of time in my opinion to even worry about who won it. Lets worry about 2011…..,

Desibrave

November 17th, 2010
5:06 pm

I would rather have a GM of the YEAR

Don't touch my JUNK!

November 17th, 2010
5:07 pm

Thanks Chris..hope his ship don’t have a fire in the engine room. What a mess.

I didn’t always agree with Bobby..But no matter the end results..BoBBY was one Hell of a gentleman…I knew Bobby for eight years on a daily base and I can’t tell you one bad thing he did in that time. He was not perfect but he believed in the Golden rule.

iFrech

November 17th, 2010
5:13 pm

DOB: “And his wife bought two expensive cruise tickets for them for April 2011 for the same reason — so there could be no change or heart, no turning back on the decision to retire.”

I remember Chipper saying during Bobby’s day (second to last game of regular season), that the players got them both the cruise tickets. Was Chipper lying, or are they going on 2 cruises?

CajunStorm

November 17th, 2010
5:28 pm

ARGH!!! DOB….Why are you entertaining Knumbnutts Mr. “NON” Baseball and Goofy Fournier. They are waaaaay below your knowledge and insight. Putz’s will always pop out of the crapper when a chance at ignorance is available.

Anyway, I think the voting was about right. Bobby certainly had a Top 5 year and many memoble moments in the final year of a brilliant career.

Kirk

November 17th, 2010
5:31 pm

What in the hell is the point of bashing Bobby after he is retired?

CajunStorm

November 17th, 2010
5:35 pm

Oh yeah and Mr. Non-Baseball….. Go tell Mah and the youngins dat suppa will be ready soon as you finish da daily Shine run. Yeeee Haaaaa git it Peppy.

YOU SUCK….. Not because I 100% disagree with you but because you saw something that NO ONE IN THE WHOLE DANG COUNTRY SAW….Bobby Cox as a “selfish” Man????? You are STUPID!!!

don

November 17th, 2010
5:52 pm

Bud Black deserved the award. Dusty Baker did a fine job with the Reds. Awards shouldn’t be given on the basis of emotion and sympathy. Facts and statistics should be the sole basis. Cox didn’t deserve it.

Mr. Baseball

November 17th, 2010
6:50 pm

Mr. Cajun: If anyone ever wondered how it is that Atlanta fans are satisifed just making the playoffs instead of winning a championship, they need not look any further than you. Spend your winter counting all of your foam tomahawks and the days until you can wander through cartoonland at Turner Field while a baseball game is going on.

MPIMENTEL

November 17th, 2010
7:12 pm

how many mlb managers can bring back to the playoffs a team without : their 2nd and 3rd lineup hitters who’s are at the same time your 2nd and 3rd base positional players…think about the lost of meddlen and jj for the last month pennant race, not to mention a 4th hitter with just a month and a half with rbi production? answer . THE BEST OF ALL… EL GRAN BRAVO… BOBBY COX

iFrech

November 17th, 2010
7:12 pm

Hey Mr. Baseball

How many teams have won multiple times in the last 20 years?

The Blue Jays won their only 2 series just to fade into obscurity.
The Red Sox won 2 after forever of not winning anything.
The Yankees that…well, are still the Yanks.
…and the Fish, who came pretty much out of the blue twice to win in their only 2 playoff appearances EVER.

So I’m pretty sure most Braves fans can be satisfied enough with 1 championship in the last 20 years…and you know, 14 divisions.

I’m not saying they shouldn’t have won more…but…Don’t expect fans to be pissed off at the team for not winning every single time.

MPIMENTEL

November 17th, 2010
7:17 pm

and …don… a playoff team without: even a 95 rbi player, and without a 18 plus game winning hurler…it’ s worth the award…we are emotional, yes we are…who couldn’t been emotional seen this man geting older trying to bring us to another world series crown…. I’m a fan of the best team of all…

Ken Stallings

November 17th, 2010
8:13 pm

Like Tom Glavine said, every single time the Braves went down in the playoffs except for 1996 when they were 2-0 up against the Yankees, the team ran into a team with more talent or was especially hot. In those cases, the Braves played the other team toe-to-toe.

The only time I thought the Braves really blew it was 2006 against the Yankees. And in that case it was mostly Mark Wohlers losing confidence in his fast ball and throwing a hanging slider to cause us to lose game four. Had we won that game to go up 3-1 at home, and we would have likely won that series to win two straight World Series.

Bobby Cox had his teams play well.

David O'Brien

November 18th, 2010
12:11 am

iFrech: They’re going on two cruises, the one the players bought and the one Bobby’s wife bought.

Mitchell

November 18th, 2010
3:16 am

Negative comments about Bobby make DOB angry! Criticisms make DOB very angry!!!

DOB mad at Mr. Baseball, mad at 10-1 lead after 3.

Me no like negative nellies. Negative nellies bad!

Mitchell

November 18th, 2010
3:41 am

Anyway…

Hey, I’m in the future! Is it really 3am? Wow, I guess that’s the old time zone slash time change thingy. Never gets old.

Kickin’ it on the west coast at the moment.

Tough day for Cox lovers it would seem. People, if you’re in first place for three months and you’re in the same division as the slumbering giant Phillies and you end up awakening said giant and fail pull off what nobody gave you a chance in hell of doing, of beating the defending National League Champion Philadelphia Phillies when you practically had them dead and burried in your rear view mirror, you don’t get the MOY award.

That’s just not how it works. Bobby Cox didn’t become the Hall of Fame manager that he allegedly is or supposedly will be by coming up short to the Dodgers in ‘91 and settling for second place.

When you’re up 7.5 games in the division, either finish what you started, seal the deal, win that division or make way for the real manager of the year.

Sure, he got us to the playoffs unlike Bud Black but my God if I have to hear what a ragtag bunch of cast-offs and misfits the Braves were I’m going to break something.

The Braves had 6 All Stars. SIX!!!

The Padres had one. For the record, the Pirates had at least one as well. It’s pretty much mandatory.

Personally, I’m surprised Charlie Manuel didn’t finish higher. I would have given it to him.

The Phillies were this close to blowing everything up and writing off the 2010 season but we left a crack in the door, we gave them just enough reason for hope, going 3 and 6 in late July, early August and well, that was pretty much all they needed.

We had it won. We had the division just like we had the Giants in the playoffs and we freakin’ blew it both times.

Folks, if we win the division in 2010 and unseat the Phillies Bobby takes the award in a landslide. No question.

Finish 13-14 in September? Sorry, no dice.

Mitchell

November 18th, 2010
3:43 am

I’ve got a real jazzy way with words, don’t I?

Indeed I do.

Thank you. Good night.

ernesto

November 18th, 2010
1:54 pm

bad vote. bobby did a great job with what he had to work with and a crippling array of injuries.

timthebrave

November 18th, 2010
3:12 pm

They got the top 5 right but in the wrong order in my opinion

ph

November 19th, 2010
12:19 pm

Bobby placed where I think he deserved to place. Maybe 3rd over Bochy. But what Black and Baker did was clearly one-two with what they had and comparing their teams from the previous year. I am just happy they didn’t give it to Charlie Manuel.

duaned

November 21st, 2010
11:17 pm

Doesn’t matter who took home thr trophy. The manager of the year was sipping Perrier-Jouët in the winning locker room. Congrats Bud. Great Finish!

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