Braves trade for Marlins slugger Uggla

ORLANDO – With baseball’s hot stove barely lit, the Braves have already done their offseason heavy lifting. The got their new power hitter, acquiring second baseman Dan Uggla from the Marlins  in a Tuesday trade for infielder Omar Infante and left-hander Mike Dunn.

Uggla has averaged nearly 31 home runs and 93 RBIs in five seasons, including career-highs of 33 homers and 105 RBIs in 2010 to win the Silver Slugger award as best-hitting second baseman in the National League.

“This is the big offensive piece we were looking for,” Braves general manager Frank Wren said. “We were looking for a right-handed-hitting big bat. There’s not many of those guys out there. This guy gives us exactly what we were looking for in the middle of our lineup.”

Uggla, 30, is a two-time All-Star who recently turned down the Marlins’ four-year, $48 million offer. He could make more than $10 million in his final year of arbitration and become eligible for free agency after the 2011 season, although the Braves might try to sign him to an extension first.

Wren said the Braves plan to play Uggla at second and move All-Star second baseman Martin Prado to left field. Prado will also back up third baseman Chipper Jones, who is recovering from August knee surgery.

Wren said Prado would be the starter at third if Jones, 38, isn’t fully recovered, or is unable to make it back. Jones, who has two years and $28 million left on his contract, is progressing on schedule in his recovery.

“Our expectation is Chipper will play third,” said Wren, who spoke with Jones on Tuesday about the trade. “When Chipper can’t play third, Martin will be over there, and he’ll be in left some. He plays left in winter ball. That’s been his primary position in winter ball.”

Uggla, 30, also set career-highs in 2010 for batting average (.287), on-base percentage (.369) and on-base-plus-slugging percentage (.877). He would’ve led the Braves in homers, RBIs, slugging and OPS.

The Braves and Marlins pulled off the first big trade of baseball’s offseason, negotiating the deal in a few days and finalizing it Tuesday on the first day of general managers meetings at Orlando. The consensus among industry types and media at the meetings was the Braves got the best of the deal.

New Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez had Uggla in the middle of his lineup  in Florida, where Gonzalez managed  for 3-1/2 seasons before being fired in June. When Wren called Tuesday to ask him if he’d trade Infante and Dunn for Uggla, Gonzalez asked who else the Braves would have to include.

“No one else,” Wren said, and Gonzalez quickly replied that he’d do it.

“I’m really exited,” Gonzalez said. “I already made out about five lineups today. This is a big bat in our lineup, and he’s a tremendous clubhouse guy. As blue-collar as they come. Our fans are going to absolutely fall in love with him. He’s a great teammate, and he plays the game one way — he tries to beat you.”

Uggla was born in Kentucky and raised in Columbia, Tenn., near Nashville. He was traveling in Mexico on Tuesday when Gonzalez called.

“I spoke to him about an hour ago, and he’s all excited,” Gonzalez said.

Wren said Jones and catcher Brian McCann were thrilled when he called to tell them the Braves got Uggla.

The Braves added a hitter who’s belted more than 30 homers in each of the past four seasons and never driven in fewer than 88 runs. In 45 career games at Turner Field, Uggla has a .354 average with 12 homers, 36 RBIs and a 1.051 OPS.

“We think it sets up the middle of our lineup very well,” said Wren, pleased to have added some balance to the Braves’ lineup, which now has  three right-handers: Uggla, Prado and shortstop Alex Gonzalez.

Asked where he envisioned Uggla in the order, Wren said, “probably right after McCann and before [rookie first baseman Freddie] Freeman. But I’ll let Fredi make that decision.”

Gonzalez said Uggla would be “in the middle of the order, fourth or fifth,” but beyond that he wasn’t sure. Much will depend on whether Jones is back and ready to assume his No. 3 spot in the order.

Uggla made $7.8 million in 2010 and is entering his final year of arbitration. Wren said the Braves would wait to begin discussions on a contract extension.

“We went into this knowing somewhat what his [salary] expectations are, based on the media reports,” Wren said. “We go into this with an open mind and see how it goes. It’s not a subject for today. Once he gets over here and we get a chance to know him and he gets to know us, then we’ll proceed with [extension discussions].”

The Braves’ offseason top priority was adding right-handed power, and Wren didn’t know if they’d be able to without giving up any top young pitchers or elite pitching prospects. They did it without giving up any of their starters, including top minor leaguers, or relievers Craig Kimrel or Jonny Venters.

Losing Infante  hurts the bench, and the Braves  hope to re-sign free agent outfielder/pinch-hitter Eric Hinske and possibly outfielder Matt Diaz. Wren hopes to pick up some of Infante’s slack with the recent addition of corner infielder-outfielder Joe Mather, claimed off waivers from St. Louis, and said Diory Hernandez and Brooks Conrad are backup infield possibilities.

Dunn is a hard-throwing lefty who has potential to develop into a top reliever. As a rookie in 2010, he had a 1.89 ERA in 25 appearances for the Braves, with 27 strikeouts and 17 walks in 19 innings.

Infante made the All-Star team as a utility man  in 2010, playing five different positions and hitting a career-best .321 with eight homers and 47 RBIs in 506 plate appearances, the most he played since 2002. He was a lineup regular in the second half, filling in for Jones after he blew out his knee.

“Omar, in our view, is a real valuable guy,” Wren said. “We said this last spring: he’s the best super-utility guy in the National League. And he showed us. He made the All-Star team, and then when he played every day he came in third in the race for the batting title. This guy is a good player, a guy we’re going to miss because he has so much versatility. And you always count on him to get big hits.

“And Mike Dunn is a young left-hander that really got a chance to show us what he could do. When it got tough late in the season, both in regular season and postseason, he performed well.

“These are two guys that we like a lot. But you’re not going to get a Dan Uggla without giving up something good.”

Meanwhile, the Marlins didn’t waste any time moving Uggla about a week after he turned down their offer. Uggla wanted a five-year deal and was also believed to have asked for a higher average annual salary than the $12 million offered by the Marlins.

“We offered him multiple years and multiple millions of dollars into free agency,” Marlins general manager Larry Beinfest said. “We think we more than fairly reflected his accomplishments and production. We think the compensation would have placed him with the elite players at his position in the game. Dan, I guess, thought otherwise. We weren’t able to come to an agreement, which really left us with two choices.

“Recognizing that he could walk after the 2011 season, we could either bring him back for the 2011 season and have him leave via free agency, or we could trade him and try to get value now. So we took the latter.”

898 comments Add your comment

Kelly

November 16th, 2010
6:28 pm

Thank you Frank Wren! Love the move!

Kelly

November 16th, 2010
6:28 pm

BTW first! Welcome to Atlanta, Dan Uggla!

JOD

November 16th, 2010
6:30 pm

I like Uggla, but not sure about giving up Infante… We will see what happens… The Braves should go ahead and act like Chipper isnt coming back, which is why this trade concerns me.

Kyle

November 16th, 2010
6:30 pm

This is amazing

David (Athens, Al)

November 16th, 2010
6:30 pm

vivabeta

November 16th, 2010
6:31 pm

I previously said it was stupid to go after Uggla, but I didn’t know the Marlins would practically give him to us. NICE, NICE MOVE

Bruce

November 16th, 2010
6:32 pm

Braves325

November 16th, 2010
6:33 pm

I’m so sad that Infante is gone. He was such a key part of the 2010 team.

VP

November 16th, 2010
6:33 pm

I think it is good deal for the Braves. We can’t get a guy for free. The other team has to get something out of the deal as well. I was worried about giving away young pitching to a division rival. Frank Wren has done an amazing job with the Braves.

Todd

November 16th, 2010
6:33 pm

Great trade! Hate to lose Infante but this is what we needed.

VP

November 16th, 2010
6:35 pm

Please tell me his agent is not Scott Boras.

Jones

November 16th, 2010
6:35 pm

Uggla at 2B and Prado in LF? Have they seen Uggla play defense? Seems like a great move that was desperately needed for the Braves

JOD

November 16th, 2010
6:37 pm

Jones, more like Uggla at LF, and Prado staying at 2B. No way I take Uggla over Prado…

Dixienorth

November 16th, 2010
6:37 pm

They might actually be able to sign him, too, which places this trade head and shoulders over some recent ones. Nice move … I can’t think of anything negative about it.

toby

November 16th, 2010
6:38 pm

Very good deal,could become great deal if we can sign him to an extension,and With Fredi as his manager maybe we can get it done!!! good one Wren…..GO BRAVES!!

Neal

November 16th, 2010
6:40 pm

Agree with the majority here. Hate to see Infante go but this was really a great move for Wren and the Braves

Mike10

November 16th, 2010
6:40 pm

Why Omar Infante d###.This team would be beven better if they kept him;I think they still need a outfielder.

Kat

November 16th, 2010
6:41 pm

For those who missed it the first time around MLB Network is going to discuss the trade after this commercial break (I assume a repeat of what they aired around 6pm….)

Tomahawk'n

November 16th, 2010
6:41 pm

Welcome to the Braves, Uggla! Great trade! Definately an upgrade at the plate and in the field at 2B. Infante will be missed and was a big part of the 2010 Braves, but a huge improvement at a great price! However, the real price comes with salary arbitration and/or contract extension. If Uggla could be had for $12M a year for 5 years (with a lot backloaded), Wren should go for it.

Gary

November 16th, 2010
6:42 pm

Don’t like letting Infante go…hope Uggla works out but I really like Infante.

GTP

November 16th, 2010
6:42 pm

If nothing else, this is a great move because our pitchers now don’t have to face Uggla all year. Great deal, Wren!

nique

November 16th, 2010
6:42 pm

Will miss Omar, but this is the type of impact guy we desparately needed.

Kane337

November 16th, 2010
6:44 pm

Fredi Gonzalez has obviously coached Uggla the past 3 and a half seasons. So yea he knows Uggla.
Apparently he thinks Uggla’s glove is good enough to get the job done. Let’s hope he’s right. We sure do need his bat. Hate to lose Infante but you have to give up something to get something. He’s a great a player to have when one of our guys need rest or get injured.

jason

November 16th, 2010
6:44 pm

Dan Uggla Atlanta Brave. Doesn’t that have a nice ring to it? 30+ homer guy since chipper. Brian McCann and Dan Uggla on the same team. Philz watch out, theres a new team that is a force to be reckoned with. No longer will we have to loose against them. Hey why doesn’t wren, “The best GM” bring in a guy like colby rasmus or or mariano rivera? or we can work out a trade with phillie for Brad lidge. All i know is that we can be a 95+ wining team.

Chillahill43

November 16th, 2010
6:44 pm

Oh yes oh yes. Frank wren rocks!!!

Kane337

November 16th, 2010
6:44 pm

Uggla has always torched us at Turner Field. Let’s hope that bat stays hot there.

JOD

November 16th, 2010
6:45 pm

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joe

November 16th, 2010
6:47 pm

AWESOME bat…but where does Prado play, assuming Chipper is back at 3rd? OF??

J-Man

November 16th, 2010
6:47 pm

We need to get a new lefty in the Bull-pen (Arthur Rhodes), We need to get a new utility man. We need a new CF or LF (Ideally Carl Crawford but lets be honest B.J. Upton) And resign Hinske.

Captain Lou Albano

November 16th, 2010
6:50 pm

Uhhh, I’m gonna wait until I actually see Uggla play in a Braves uniform before I decide if this is a good trade or not. Remember when we got McClouth?

layinlow

November 16th, 2010
6:51 pm

At least we didn’t give up a bunch of great prospects for the one year rent a player this time around. Hopefully Boras is not his agent but I have an awful feeling he might be.

J-Man

November 16th, 2010
6:51 pm

You have to give up quality to get quality……. NOW WE MUST RESIGN UGGLA or this will be a lot like the TEX TRADE!!!!

Piedmont Blues

November 16th, 2010
6:51 pm

Now THAT’S a trade!

Dunn has a live arm, but his fastball seemed awfully straight and hittable.

Without Infante, the Braves wouldn’t have made the postseason. That said, I think he was playing above his head, and he’s no more than an average defender at any position. He’s best suited to a utility role.

So this is a great deal for the Braves.

DC, Atlanta, GA

November 16th, 2010
6:52 pm

I think letting Infante go will prove to be a huge mistake.

hawaiibravefan

November 16th, 2010
6:53 pm

I like this trade, but i don’t really like the idea of moving Prado to LF. Look what happened to Chipper when he moved to LF to better the team, no doubt it put a big dent to his career numbers. Prado is still young, and will be very valuable to this team. I just hope this doesn’t slow him down.

Piedmont Blues

November 16th, 2010
6:53 pm

joe,

If Chipper is healthy, Prado probably plays LF (unless Uggla does).

farmer

November 16th, 2010
6:53 pm

i may be in the majority here, but i don’t like this trade.. for one, Uglla wil be a free agent next year and I doubt very seriously if he will resign with us.. two, giving up Infante who can play anywhere was dumb, especially when guys need a day off and the guy can hit. third, Dunn is a young power lefty who we will miss.. maybe it will work out for the best but I don’t think so.. hopefully Chipper will quit so we can use that 14 million to make some more moves.. by the way Frank Wren, please resign Eric Hinske.

bravesgrl4lifeeeee

November 16th, 2010
6:55 pm

Guess I can’t call him “Uggly” anymore :grin:

Dave O'Briens Brain

November 16th, 2010
6:55 pm

If it is a one year and Uggla is done/gone via free agency, then I don’t like the trade. I’m so tired of the Braves giving up multiple players for one other player and not being able to re-sign that player.

bravesgrl4lifeeeee

November 16th, 2010
6:55 pm

But I will miss Omar :(

bird dawg

November 16th, 2010
6:56 pm

AND WE NO LONGER HAVE TO FACE HIM. guess the guy from the cards becomes our new infante. now–center?? cant rely on anyone on this roster. also, gotta re-sign hinske

Toyt Like A Tiger

November 16th, 2010
6:56 pm

Hey Captain remember when Uggla averages 30 homers a year for his career?

Dave O'Briens Brain

November 16th, 2010
6:56 pm

@ Farmer, right on brother!

ThePriceIsWrongBitch!

November 16th, 2010
6:57 pm

Man! I hate to see Infante go!!!

Welcome to town Uggla! Please work on your fielding in the off-season, please…

Kane337

November 16th, 2010
6:57 pm

Prado will play left field, sub for Chipper at 3rd when he needs rest, start the season at 3rd if Chipper needs more time or retires, and will play some first base with Freddi Freeman.

Poorbrave

November 16th, 2010
6:58 pm

Thats great!!!!! Thanks Wren for getting us 30 plus hrs.Now get Bill Hall as utility player and pick-up a good RP somewhere. Play-ball Baby!

Welcome Dan Uggla hope you here for 4 or 5 years.
Go after Upton if you have the funds.

Toyt Like A Tiger

November 16th, 2010
6:58 pm

Prado plays the Outfield every season in winter ball….

jfreak13713

November 16th, 2010
6:59 pm

Good move! Hope we sign him long term because we gave up a couple of good players. Risk vs Reward. They really needed this!

Kane337

November 16th, 2010
6:59 pm

via Twitter:
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
“Now they have a middle-of-the-order hitter, the kind of guy they were desperate to get after Chipper Jones got hurt. Perfect addition.”

getbuzzed

November 16th, 2010
6:59 pm

Nice trade, but I think Dunn is the bigger loss for the Braves. He’s a good young arm. Infante was nothing more than a bench/role player (but a good one)

Kane337

November 16th, 2010
7:00 pm

via Twitter:
jcrasnick Jerry Crasnick
“Uggla will play 2B in Atlanta. Prado can now play some first, third and LF. He’s Chipper insurance & will share time w/Freddie Freeman”

bob

November 16th, 2010
7:00 pm

Farmer are you crazy? We’re replacing Infante’s bat for Uggla’s. That’s basically the deal. Dunn is easily lost in the mix between Beachy, Minor, and Medlin (when/if he’s healthy after rehab). That’s not including our stable of talent in AA and below at the pitching position (our strong point as an organization).

Ask any GM for Uggla or Infante and I’d promise every one would say Uggla.

Justafan

November 16th, 2010
7:00 pm

Don’t worry about moving Prado, Fredi will decide that later.

.Mike S

November 16th, 2010
7:00 pm

HAte losing Infante, and Dunn has all the signs of being a quality reliever for some time, but DAN UGGLA for those two is a great deal for Atlanta.

Well, a great deal for 2011, it will only be a truly great deal if the Braves lock Uggla up long term.

Kane337

November 16th, 2010
7:01 pm

via Twitter:
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
“Love this trade for the Braves; Uggla is an absolutely perfect fit for what they need.”

Kane337

November 16th, 2010
7:03 pm

via Twitter:
jcrasnick Jerry Crasnick
“The Marlins asked for Martin Prado in exchange for Uggla and were told no, then shifted their attention to Infante, says a source”

chopper

November 16th, 2010
7:04 pm

I think this is an excellent deal. I wonder what Florida is thinking. I think they could have gotten more if they had shopped him around. I know Uggla is only under contract for 2011, but so is Infante. So all the Marlins are getting for sure is one season of Infante and 5 seasons of Mike Dunn. Dunn was pretty good, but I wouldn’t consider him a big time prospect, as he is way too wild for my liking. Florida used to get players like Hanley Ramirez and Josh Beckett in these salary dump deals. Not sure why they’d trade for a 28 year old utility man (even if he is the BEST utility man). Seems like Florida could have almost done better by keeping Uggla until July and dangle him to a desperate contender or keeping him all of 2011 and taking the two #1 draft picks that Uggla would surely have brought them as a Type A free agent.

But a bad move for Florida is a boon for the offensively challenged Braves. Is Frank Wren a get it done kind of guy or what?

ryan

November 16th, 2010
7:05 pm

I was watching the MLB network they said this could be another rental player i hope not we need to lock this guy up i am tired of having players for one year .

blazerdawg

November 16th, 2010
7:05 pm

Thank you for the excellent effort and performance INFANTE….welcome Mr. Uggla…now get a centerfielder, preferably from Tampa.

darrin

November 16th, 2010
7:06 pm

DOB

happy with the trade is this it as far as big news this season or do you think they are still loking for a center fielder and have something up their sleeve like upton or rasmus since they didnt give up some prospects in the uggla deal what you think

also now wren please bring back hinske and diaz

Elmer Fudd

November 16th, 2010
7:06 pm

The value of Uggla and the trade will only be good IF he can be signed for an extension. Surely Wren has an idea that is likely.

I have to realize they have to get something of value also, but hate to give up Dunn as well. He’ll probably be closing for the Marlins soon.

scottbravesfan

November 16th, 2010
7:06 pm

You got the best offensive 2nd baseman in baseball for a utility infielder and a lefty reliever. Damn Frank Wren is a pimp! Marlins must be trying to pay us back for Eric Gregg stealing the 97 NLCS for them.

SSA

November 16th, 2010
7:07 pm

Very satisfied. No core players or big prospects moved. Thank you, Frank Wren.

Chop Chop

November 16th, 2010
7:08 pm

Another World Series title for the Bravos.

Bank on it.

chopper

November 16th, 2010
7:08 pm

And shifting Martin Prado to left field should sure up that position on an everyday basis.

Prado LF
Heyward RF
Chipper 3B
McCann C
Uggla 2B
Freeman 1B
Gonzo SS
McLouth CF

I would like to see Wren shop around (and I’m sure he will) for a speedy right handed hitting (or switch) OF with some speed and good glove to backup McLouth in CF and play LF on days where they rest Chipper and Prado subs in at 3B.

Kane337

November 16th, 2010
7:09 pm

I hope we resign Hinske. I love his bat coming off the bench.

Brave4life

November 16th, 2010
7:09 pm

OH MY FUGGING GOD

I just came home and this just made my night

Dave'sfavesbraves

November 16th, 2010
7:10 pm

I’ve always hated Uggla, but knew that if he played for the Braves, I would love him. He has that quality that Chipper had, a swagger with an attitude! Hate to see Infante go, but this move is a stroke of genius! GO FRANK GO !!!!!

Beef Pocoroba

November 16th, 2010
7:10 pm

very happy to hear this.

i love infante, but we gave up a guy with a career .714 OPS, for a right-handed power bat (over 30 HRs each of the last four years) at an infield position. dunn is a nice pitcher, but i don’t think we’ll miss him too much.

go braves!

RJB in DC

November 16th, 2010
7:10 pm

We are trading average (Infante) for power (Uggla). If Chipper comes back, it should be close to a wash on the average side, but we get a huge upgrade on the offensive power production. Having to go through Heyward, Uggla and McCann is going to give us some great match-ups against pitchers in late innings.

scottbravesfan

November 16th, 2010
7:10 pm

It doesn’t matter if this is a one year rental. If so the Braves gave up nothing for him anyway and will get a draft pick next year if Uggla walks. Either way win win. If Uggla does walk just move Prado back to 2nd and Mycal Jones should be getting close, hopefully, to being ready to play every day at short.

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
7:10 pm

We stole Uggla
Infnate came off a career year and was going back to the bench, and Dunn was actually pretty bad with WHIP of nearly 1.7.
Next up Wren needs to get us BJ Upton

Captain Lou Albano

November 16th, 2010
7:10 pm

Well Toyt, all I’m saying is Nate was an all-star when we traded for him too. I’m just saying lets see how he plays first. Hopefully he won’t lose those numbers while he plays for a contender for once.

Toyt Like A Tiger

November 16th, 2010
7:10 pm

@Chopper

lol at Uggla hitting 5th. Uggla’s stance looks like he’s chopping wood, he’s hitting cleanup.

joe steven

November 16th, 2010
7:10 pm

This is a bad trade.

moboman

November 16th, 2010
7:11 pm

Uggla is only guaranteed to be in the fold for 1 year. What if he TEX’s us over and doesnt extend?? I dont believe in this kind of deal unless the extension comes with the trade. This deal could be another 2 for a one year rental. What will yall be sayin if that happens???

Chop Chop

November 16th, 2010
7:11 pm

No room for Hinske and Diaz on this club now.

If you’re starting Prado in left (face it, Chipper’s going to be at third if he’s ambulatory), where do you play those guys?

Nowhere.

Prado, McLouth, Heyward will be your starting outfield, folks.

Looks like Heyward better learn how to Yoga Teleport.

LTown Scrub

November 16th, 2010
7:11 pm

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, not sure if i like it, i gotta digest it.

RJB in DC

November 16th, 2010
7:11 pm

And yeah–even if Freeman comes along as planned.

scottbravesfan

November 16th, 2010
7:11 pm

Also I don’t want to be a dick to Infante because he was awesome for us this year but his year was pretty much a fluke. He is a singles hitter who doesn’t walk a lot and with a slap hitter if he goes into a slump that will be trouble. I think we have all learned from the days of Jeff Francouer what happens when a player doesn’t walk and then goes into a slump looks like.

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
7:12 pm

@ Mobo
Who cares? Infante is a FA next year and Dunn has a good chance to be a bust

Toyt Like A Tiger

November 16th, 2010
7:13 pm

Infante would be a rental for the Marlins too, DUMBA55es! Mike Dunn was terrible in PRESSURE situations.

Brian

November 16th, 2010
7:13 pm

Love it! Liberty Media might actually spend some extra cash!!

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
7:14 pm

Dunn had like 17 walks in 19 innings along with 15 hits
We wont miss him

Toyt Like A Tiger

November 16th, 2010
7:14 pm

Where’s Ted Turner when you need him?

scottbravesfan

November 16th, 2010
7:14 pm

moboman,

The Braves gave up Elvis Andrus(who was there top hitting prospect), Feliz(who was their top pitching prospect), Salty, and Matt Harrison for Texierra. This trade is nothing like that. The Braves did not give up ANYTHING of value for this trade. Mike Dunn is not a big time prospect. Omar Infante is a utility player who had a decent year last year. This is nowhere near the same as the Tex trade.

SeanM

November 16th, 2010
7:14 pm

here is why this is a great deal as well:

1. Infante is a free agent next year as well. We could have lost him anyway, and he may be back.

2. Uggla will be a type A free agent, so if he is one and done here, we will get two first round picks for him from whatever team signs him.

3. we still have all our incredible pitching depth in the minors.

This is a win win all around for the Braves…right handed power also!!!

braveshoo

November 16th, 2010
7:15 pm

I love this deal. I will miss Infante and Dunn, but Uggla is the RH power we needed. He is average defensively, but can play 2b, 3b, or LF. Sign him long term. He is as close to a 30 year old Chipper as we can get. He makes everyone in our lineup better. And he loves to hit at Turner field.

Rilo

November 16th, 2010
7:15 pm

Best Trade of Frank Wren’s tenure…Hands down!!! Now we need a good defensive outfielder who could possibly hit leadoff. Granderson??? Don’t think Wren…just make it happen!!

JOelll

November 16th, 2010
7:15 pm

BOUT TIME WREN! good FING move now lets try and get one more threat!

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
7:16 pm

Remember Infante was going to be a bench player also………..I predict we sign Bill Hall as the new utility man

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
7:17 pm

Good stick, obviously, but now we get Brooks Conrad like D at 2nd all year long.

J-Man

November 16th, 2010
7:17 pm

I also think we need a new defensive to pick up the late innings outfielder (maybe we can resign Rick Ankiel cheap)

AdirondackDave

November 16th, 2010
7:17 pm

Outstanding deal. In fact, I’d love to see him sign an extension, but even if he doesn’t, it’s still a good deal. Braves are back in the playoffs in ‘11 with Dan Uggla. Thanks, Frank.

RomeDawg

November 16th, 2010
7:17 pm

Good move. I do think Dunn turns into one of the premier closers in 3-4 years. I hated to lose Infante but to get Uggla, man that’s one helluva move Wren!

Paul From Milton

November 16th, 2010
7:17 pm

Holy Crap! I love this trade. Great job Frank Wren.

RAMBLINWRECK

November 16th, 2010
7:17 pm

Uggla will fit in nicely with all the errors he will make!! The braves continue making errors every night and it won’t matter if we resurrect the “babe” and slide him into the 4 hole with our crappy defense. Uggla will hit some bombs but we have no speed and no outfield help.

CajunStorm

November 16th, 2010
7:17 pm

Ha, Ha, Ha…GREAT MOVE!! 5yrs $60 Mill—for Uggla and 6yrs $96Mill for Craword and another 5+ years of dominance for the BRAVOS!!!

1. Carl Crawford CF
2. Martin Prado LF
3. Jason Heyward RF
4. Dan Uggla 2B
5. Brian McCann C
6. Chipper Jones 3B
7. Freddie Freeman 1B
8. Alex Gonzales SS

I know, I know, I know Stop dreaming Cajun, but hey OL FW is on a roll. Wagner and Saito’s Money accounted for Uggla’s Money & we were only at $84 Million last year. Eat half of McLousy’s deal, talke off Farnsworth, Ankiel, Melky, and Infuego’s 2.5Mill and we’re only at about $94-$96Mill. FW, you will SURPASS “give away Johnny” in Atl Brave GM history. Make it happen!!!

Toyt Like A Tiger

November 16th, 2010
7:18 pm

@Derrick

Get a FN life loser! We all know what you just said and you dont have to keep telling us a billion times a week.

moboman

November 16th, 2010
7:19 pm

I wasnt a big Dunn fan anyway, and it is possible that Infante had a career year last year. I just dont like rent a player deals. Extending Uggla is a must.

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
7:20 pm

Well Cajun,
I think BJ Upton from the Rays would be more likely

The Real Deal

November 16th, 2010
7:21 pm

Sorry Bobby was not around for this deal. Would love to have Elvis Andrus back and Felix.
Get the cubs guy out of their and lets put that 13 million for some pitching.

BravoFan

November 16th, 2010
7:22 pm

Uggla, I have to get use to the name and the man, what a hitter. I hate Infante had to go and I liked Mike Dunn but its part of baseball.

AdirondackDave

November 16th, 2010
7:22 pm

Dan Uggla’s agent is Terry Gross, according to Cot’s Baseball Contracts… Yes!

Ted M

November 16th, 2010
7:22 pm

Terry Bross, Uggla’s agent, said the player was in Mexico on a Nike tour and not available to discuss the trade.

ryan

November 16th, 2010
7:23 pm

I hear Braves could still go after Pat Burrell or Ludwick .

Churchy

November 16th, 2010
7:23 pm

I assume Uggla will be at 2B instead of Prado because Prado would play a good amount (maybe about half) of games at 3B where he is good defensively. That way, he can just concentrate on 2 positions instead of 3.

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
7:23 pm

I’ve seen balls go through and off Uggla, that’s his downside. But Fredi knows him well and obviously was ok with this deal…

Playoffs!!!!

November 16th, 2010
7:24 pm

Love the trade!! Like everybody else, I’ll miss Infante. But that was a classic “trade high” situation with him.
I just hope Prado plays a decent leftfield, or we’ll be a worse team defensively than last year (and that’s hard to imagine).
But still love this trade–the BIG power righthanded bat we needed.
And this definitely spells the end of Matt Diaz’s tenure here. Oh yeah, and can everybody please shut up now about Colby Rasmus

Billy

November 16th, 2010
7:24 pm

Nice post Derrick! I already believe it maybe others will accept him as well!

J-Man

November 16th, 2010
7:24 pm

I think Chipper should play 1st some since his knees are gone and have Freeman platoon. Whose bat do you want this season Prado or Freeman. Prado > Freeman and Prado > Chipper

Dan Schlossberg

November 16th, 2010
7:24 pm

Great deal — solves the need for righthanded power — but Braves still need speed at the top of the lineup. With Scott Podsednik a free agent, he’d be a great addition, with Prado moving down to second in the order, followed by Heyward, Chipper, Uggla, and McCann. Wouldn’t mind adding Colby Rasmus either. Speed is the need now, Frank: go for it !!

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
7:25 pm

What about… Rasmus !!! lol

Toyt Like A Tiger

November 16th, 2010
7:26 pm

FREEMAN WILL NOT FREAKING PLATOON. HE IS OUR FIRST BASEMAN GET THAT OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM.

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
7:26 pm

Upton > Burrell, Ludwick or Podsednik

Michael

November 16th, 2010
7:26 pm

HALLA-FREAKIN-LUYAH! Uggla was always one of the infamous Braves killers with Florida!

Kurdt Kobain

November 16th, 2010
7:26 pm

This is nothing like the Tex trade. We send Texas a bundle of blue chip prospects. We just sent Florida a utility bench player coming off a career year and a young left handed reliever.

We have ridiculous pitching depth, so losing Dunn doesn’t matter, and Infante was great for us this past year, but its highly unlikely he’s going to repeat that performance, and besides, you have to give up something to get something. Good to trade him while he has such value.

Steal of a trade. Shore up the bench by resigning Hinske now. He can play left when Martin subs for Chipper and back up Freeman at first when necessary.

Toyt Like A Tiger

November 16th, 2010
7:27 pm

http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal

Uggla is “excited” to join the Braves.

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
7:27 pm

The Freeman platoon is if he struggles. If he’s hittin .180 after 200 ABs, he’s in a platoon.

Lebron Smith

November 16th, 2010
7:27 pm

Billy

November 16th, 2010
7:28 pm

@ toyt,

So you get mad at a man for trying to help you save your life?? Wow!! Grab a clue big guy!

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
7:28 pm

Infante always had a natural lightning stick. He’s a solid hitter. This is still a fine trade if we can live with Uggla’s D and if Venters our pen lefty is not dead after this past year.

Bravesfan

November 16th, 2010
7:28 pm

Umm, the Braves traded for a 2B that has averaged 32 home runs the past four years and has never hit less than 27 for a rookie reliever and a utility infielder. Don’t get me wrong, I liked Infante, but this trade should be illegal. The Braves have robbed the Marlins and left them with a bench player and a guy that has a K to walk ration of almost 1:1.

Toyt Like A Tiger

November 16th, 2010
7:29 pm

Ghost Hunters.

YAD

November 16th, 2010
7:29 pm

I like it, I love it, I want some more of it.

hawaiibravefan

November 16th, 2010
7:32 pm

Although i like this trade, is this trade our ‘big trade?’ are we still looking for a LF/CF? or does that make prado our official LF?

btw why would we miss dunn? we still have venters and oflaherty. dunn was just an extra guy that was gonna get sent back down to Gwinnett

shawn

November 16th, 2010
7:32 pm

What a great trade by Frank Wren.outttttaaaaaaa boyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Brian in Villa Rica

November 16th, 2010
7:33 pm

Uggla’s presence negates the need for another infielder and Venters and O”Flaherty will handle the role of lefty out of the pen (Kimbrel) will close. Got this guy without giving up starting pitching nor the top talent in the minors. An OF who hits 30 HR every year would have cost much more. Chipper will almost certainly hang it up next year and there is the money to extend Uggla. Fantastic move!

Oh Nah!

November 16th, 2010
7:34 pm

ahahaha wow! Marlins got taken for a ride with this genius move. Infante and Dunn for Uggla seems like another Braves trade rape. Good job Wren. I’ve been hoping Uggla would play for us for the past 2-3 years. Now he can’t kill our pitching. I wonder if the Marlins will trade Josh Johnson too?

Mutts

November 16th, 2010
7:34 pm

An excellent trade. We needed a right-handed batter with power and a proven rbi track record, and we now have one. If we could get a speedy center fielder who can get on base, our line up would be vastly improved. I’d like to see us take a chance on Upton, who has speed, defensive skills and some pop. GO BRAVES!

AdirondackDave

November 16th, 2010
7:34 pm

Can hardly wait to read DOB’s interview article with Dan Uggla.

dpelfrey

November 16th, 2010
7:35 pm

Holy smokes, what a solid move. A legitimate cleanup hitter and all it cost was a utility guy (who played beyond his capabilities last year) and a project lefty reliever. Who cares if it’s only a one-year rental, there is no Wainwright, Andrus or Feliz involved in this deal, so I don’t understand anyone trying to use the Drew or Texeira comparisons.

Lebron Smith

November 16th, 2010
7:35 pm

agreed 110% Mutts

Stuart

November 16th, 2010
7:36 pm

Why did they get rid of Omar??? Putting Uggla at second? May as well put HIM in left; his fielding is awful. I would rather have Brooks Conrad playing defense at second. VERY sad to lose Omar… no longer able to give players a day off here and there while having an All-Star backup to step in. Also, Uggla turned down 4 year/$48 million from the Marlins, so there is no way the Braves will afford him beyond this year. There’s another Teixeira one and done. We also lose Dunn who was going to be one of our top relievers for next year. This deal doesn’t seem to make too much sense. I hope Wren at least gets a solid center fielder to be leading off for us next year.

Lebowski

November 16th, 2010
7:36 pm

The Dude Abides.

southern hope

November 16th, 2010
7:36 pm

Not Omar! I’m actually kind of sick over this…he had become the heart of the team for me….

cheese

November 16th, 2010
7:36 pm

Freeman hasn’t really proven himself yet and now is the weakest link on this team. Goodbye.

darrin

November 16th, 2010
7:37 pm

trade for upton or rasmus if possible i doubt it sign hinske and ludwick or burrell plus a vet in the pen please wren

Brian in Villa Rica

November 16th, 2010
7:37 pm

A prediction. Uggla signs here for less money than he demanded in Florida which was reported to be 5 years $71MM.

Stuart

November 16th, 2010
7:37 pm

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t hate the trade or anything… just had to give up a lot. I’ll feel better if Uggla is hitting 30+ homers playing at Turner Field (and not booting the ball every 3rd play).

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
7:39 pm

Hinske = essential; Upton > ludwick, burrell; bye bye Diaz

Joe Mama Angie Daddy

November 16th, 2010
7:40 pm

If we stay healthy, I don’t think we will lose any games next year!!!!!

Mike

November 16th, 2010
7:40 pm

Thank you, Omar Infante, for how you played the game as an Atlanta Brave.

cheese

November 16th, 2010
7:41 pm

Maybe Uggla didn’t want to play for the Marlins anymore and that’s why the contract difficulty. They let that punk Hanley Ramirez run the show over there because they think he puts butts in the seats. And they fired Fredi! Uggla doesn’t want to deal with that scum owner Loria or how the Marlins SCREWED the taxpayers of Miami on the new stadium or the Mini-Manny show anymore.

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
7:41 pm

Mike, true that. I like Infante’s line drive stick and he was fairly clutch.

Obama Bush Dynasty

November 16th, 2010
7:42 pm

Frankly, all Infante was a singles hitter coming off a career year, though he was versatile. Dunn was wild and dangerous and we won’t miss him.

southern hope

November 16th, 2010
7:42 pm

Does everyone love this trade but me? Not Omar, please. He’s one of my fave Braves! I know Uggla adds power…and I know to get him Wren must give up someone good…but Omar? I’m bummed out. Gosh, he was the spark during the pennant drive.

ryno

November 16th, 2010
7:43 pm

Stuart, we gave up basically nothing. A utility infiielder and our third lefty reliever for a player with 4 straight years of 30+ hrs. You are the only person in the world who thinks we gave up a lot.

.Mike S

November 16th, 2010
7:43 pm

OK people, can we stop B*tching about the Vasquez deal now… that deal just brought us Dan Uggla. And we still have Vizciano.

Jim

November 16th, 2010
7:43 pm

I hate to lose Infante but this is a really good move. Getting him for Infante and Duncan says alot about the mess that is the Marlins. The Marlins are a team that should not even be in the major leagues. Horrible ownership and those evening showers just make it a pleasure to go to a game there. Uggla was playing with a crowd of 4000 each night – a joke. Go BRAVES !!!

Michael from Macon

November 16th, 2010
7:43 pm

I don’t know where I read it, but I believe Dan’s agent is a guy named, Matt Sosnick.

Steve

November 16th, 2010
7:43 pm

Wooooooooooo. WOW!!!!

I love Omar Infante and he plays the game the right way .. but man did we trade him at PEAK value. He might put together better seasons that this year, but probably not by any measurable amount.

Dunn could be a Billy Wagner a few years from now, but is more likely to top out as a lefty specialist along the lines of Mike Stanton or Arthur Rhodes .. which means he will be a major force in the majors for quite some time.

All that being said … I love this trade!!! Uggla is a BEAST!

I don’t care if we can’t sign him after this year. I believe that we only control Infante for 2011 and he would be a free agent and likely due a significant bump where the Braves likely wouldn’t be able to keep him. So basically, we could be trading a year of Infante and a few years of Dunn for a year of Uggla. As much as I like Infante and Dunn (check back to the previous blogs where I kept saying the Braves should trade Escobar because Infante was better and not much older), I absolutely love this trade.

I am not sure about Prado in left field, but I am actually of the belief that he willplay more games at 3B than in left field.

Not only do I love the trade, but if the Braves are out of the running early they could trade Uggla to a contender if they don’t think they can sign him. They might not get a ton for him on a short rental, but could recover for the loss of Dunn at the least.

And there is ALWAYS the chance we could sign him long term.

Wow! Love this deal as we finally go into a season with a right hand power bat that isn’t trending over the hill. Complete offence intended for Andruw who was a lazy bum that wasted his natural skills .. but no offence intended for Glaus who played his tail off for us.

Total Grace

November 16th, 2010
7:43 pm

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Nick

November 16th, 2010
7:44 pm

I really cannot believe the people on here that don’t like this deal? WE ROBBED THE MARLINS!! We got one of the best power hitting 2b guys in baseball for a utility man and a lh relief arm…… Seriously? Even if it’s only for one year…. it’s a no brainer…. Don’t overvalue Infante, he was a great guy for us last year, but odds are he won’t repeat that . He will never have more value than he has now .

Not to mention that if we can re-sign Uggla ro replace Chipper at 3b (or move Prado over there and leave Uggla at 2b) this could end up just a flat out best deal in baseball this year kinda trade!

think!!

Prado
Heyward
Chip
Uggla
McCann
Freeman
Gonzo
Mclouth.

not to mention Mclouth hit .867 after he came back…. I think that team could win a ton of games. We aren’t the Yankees, we just can’t go get Justin Upton, Carl Crawford and Adam Dunn!!! I think FW deserves kudo’s here!

Kane337

November 16th, 2010
7:44 pm

Uggla: “While I’m saddened to leave the Marlins family and thankful for all they did for me in my career, I’m certainly MORE excited to join the Braves’ organization.” Uggla lives in Nashville, a drive of several hours from Atlanta.

Don't touch my Junk!

November 16th, 2010
7:44 pm

We need a utility player and Bill Hall can play six positions and hit 18 homers 46 rbi’s in 120 games 30 yrs and better than Omar.. Sign him if possible in place of Diaz and Henski.
Go after BJ Upton for speed and “D” in CF—– Damn what a team we would have.

sid's bream

November 16th, 2010
7:44 pm

i hate to just repeat what everyone else is saying, but wow I sure didn’t think we’d get uggla, and I didn’t think we’d get him this cheap. As others have said, Infante is a big loss (how could you not like the guy?) and Dunn might have a great career, but what we needed was some power and that’s what we got for far less than I thought the marlins would require. We got to keep Kimbrel and Venters and didn’t lose any of our big prospects. It’s a win for Florida by getting a quality second baseman who is cheaper than uggla will require and a quality cheap young reliever, and a win for the braves get the power righty who has been nothing less than consistent. I agree with others though that they have to resign him to really make it worth it.

AZBravoFan

November 16th, 2010
7:44 pm

Perhaps now someone like Billy Hall could fill the super-utility role.

Steve

November 16th, 2010
7:45 pm

Gee, I was kind of hoping to see Brooks Conrad back at 2B for 2011……

BIG O

November 16th, 2010
7:45 pm

Great move Frank !!! Cajunstorm I like that lineup but that is too good to be true. I think we as Braves fans should demand more from Liberty. They can afford it !!! Hell I want a championship !!! The Giants ; Seriously come on man !!!! Oh yea… Frank please don’t pull a Glavine with Chipper let stay another year dude !!! That’s what scares me.

don

November 16th, 2010
7:46 pm

This has all the trappings of another one year rental with, most likely, the same result as past rentals. At least we know Dunn is no Feliz or Wainwright and Infante is no Andrus.

birddawgbill

November 16th, 2010
7:46 pm

Great trade. Now lets go get Elsbury.
CF Elsbury
LF Prado
RF Heyward
C McCann
2nd Uggla
3rd Jones
1st Freeman
SS Gonzales

That would be a Tough lineup.

todd

November 16th, 2010
7:47 pm

We will miss Omar – but a great trade for us!

Ekim

November 16th, 2010
7:48 pm

@Derrick: Wound a little tight there, buddy… Everybody has things that inspire passion them. For some of us, it’s baseball, in and out of season. For others, it’s telling everybody else how they should live their lives. I suspect you to be in the latter category. Chill, take a couple of deep breaths. Now tell us what you think of the trade!

dpelfrey

November 16th, 2010
7:48 pm

Wow, I didn’t expect to see so many people hating on this trade. This lineup needed some pop, and Wren got exactly that without trading any top prospects. Infante is easily replaceable and Dunn was an excess lefty arm (already have Venters & O’Flaherty). I say this is an absolute fleecing on Wren’s part.

Did you negative Nancy’s actually watch baseball before last year? Infante is not an all-star caliber player. Uggla is. Braves are vastly improved by this trade. And it doesn’t hurt the depth, all they gotta do is move Prado to 3B if Chipper can’t play and find someone to play left. Either way, vastly improved.

She thinks my tractors sexy, it really turns her on!

November 16th, 2010
7:48 pm

Dunn was horrid no doubt about it, needs some serious minors work at control.
Infante will be missed but Wren will sign a super utility player like Bill Hall or Felipe Lopez, and thats really all Infante was with us. With the Marlins Infante will get to start and he will get a chance to prove himself as a fulltime starter.
This is a good trade from Infante’s perspective!

Kane337

November 16th, 2010
7:48 pm

Gonzalez on Uggla: “I’m excited. That’s a big bat. Tremendous clubhouse guy. Blue-collar. Our fans will love him.”

Stanley Crowe

November 16th, 2010
7:49 pm

When the Braves played the Marlins, I always hated to see Uggla come up — so I think he’s a fine player, and I see no reason why he shouldn’t hit as well for us as for the Fish. I didn’t know he was considered a substandard fielder (is he, really?), for the only really bad fielding I saw him do was that business at the All Star Game in 2009. I like the combination of power and average, and I think the guy is just a player — a feisty, tough out. All the same, I really liked Omar — it could be that his career was just taking off. But at least he’ll be on a contending team, and if he comes to Atlanta with the Fish, he won’t kill us with power. So — one of these trades that’s “good for both teams” maybe? Should I worry about Prado in the outfield? Maybe — but we’ll see. I don’t think I’ll be worrying about him at the plate. Interesting times ahead! With Uggla in the bag, I wouldn’t mind seeing Pat Burrell with the Braves — another “player”!

don

November 16th, 2010
7:50 pm

Good grief. The same posters who were moonie-eyed over the Drew and Teixeira deals are prematurely filling their trousers again. Let’s hope this move is a positive rather than another disaster.

She thinks my tractors sexy, it really turns her on!

November 16th, 2010
7:50 pm

Agree “dont touch my junk”

Ekim

November 16th, 2010
7:51 pm

Yeah, the nerve of those damn Marlins… firing OUR manager! (Hey, wait a minute…)

benchwarmer

November 16th, 2010
7:51 pm

Toyt, we live in the south. Guys like Derrick are everywhere. Engaging them in argument only encourages them. You will never achieve any anything by arguing with a doctrinaire person. By the way Uggla is a really good move. I would like to see a little bit less platooning around here. Sub more often to rest a tired player,play the hot hand when ever possible, but platooning seldom does anything but irritate both players and me.

She thinks my tractors sexy, it really turns her on!

November 16th, 2010
7:52 pm

Hey guys, check Ugglas splits
He kills at turner field

Stanley Crowe

November 16th, 2010
7:52 pm

@ birddawgbill (7:46)

That’s a HELL of a lineup!! Is Ellsbury really a possible? If he is, I’ll pass on Pat Burrell!

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
7:52 pm

What about Jesus Christ in center field?

Blue

November 16th, 2010
7:53 pm

If Jesus makes it here in time. we may can plug him in the clean-up spot!

chopper

November 16th, 2010
7:54 pm

Mike Dunn is not closer material. He’s a lefty specialist at best. Wren got the best of that deal.

doggiesluvbrekee

November 16th, 2010
7:54 pm

Infante almost won the batting title and folks here still call him a bench player.. gulp

Lebowski

November 16th, 2010
7:54 pm

Uggla’s numbers at the Ted are mind bottling. yes, i said mind bottling.

Playoffs!!!!

November 16th, 2010
7:54 pm

So what if Uggla is a “one-and-done”. Infante will be a free agent after next year, too. If we want him back that bad, we can re-sign him then.
Just a great trade-a steal!

ChattaVol

November 16th, 2010
7:54 pm

Great, great trade. I didn’t think they could pull it off. Selling high on Infante and the potential of Dunn. Infante was likely to come back to earth after his career year this season. Dunn was never going to be more than a situational lefty or 6th/7th inning guy (stuck behind Venters & Kimbrel in the pecking order). Uggla is exactly what this team needed and reading Fredi’s quotes make him sound like he’ll fit in great. Now, if they could dump McLouth somewhere….

Nick

November 16th, 2010
7:54 pm

I would really like to see us go For Bill Hall and Tony Gwynn Jr to be used as a late defensive replacement in cf and pinch runner. The guy has a 87.5 career UZR out there! BTW, Mclouth is not gonna be getting paid $7 mill to ride the pine. Unless he has another opening to the season like last year, he’s gonna be starting out there.

I don’t see an upside to taking on BJ Upton’s salary minus the prospects we’d have top trade versus what we “might” get out of him. Heck, If we pick up Hall and Gwynn Jr…. we don’t need anybody else…. cept maybe a high K rh pen arm maybe.

Wooderson

November 16th, 2010
7:54 pm

OMG this was a GREAT TRADE!!!!! Wren is one decent outfielder away from having a PERFECT offseason!! HELL YES

Ed F

November 16th, 2010
7:55 pm

I am one fan that is glad Bobby Cox retired. He was so predictable. I liked Him But the past 5 years was too long. What I have seen so far at the point is just the same ole. We trade Great people for ones that either do not work out or stay here. Florida got the better deal as always Braves LOOSE.

Bobby Cox never Changed and we always came up short. Just Like UGA football the other guy knows what you are going to do. I knew all the moves on Bobby. Now it seems real easy to read Management also. I need a New team.

Lebowski

November 16th, 2010
7:55 pm

Uggla’s chopping that wood with his batting stance.

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
7:55 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=6462&type=batting3
Right she thinks my tractor sexy, just about killed the Braves at Turner every year but 06 I think.

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
7:55 pm

Steve

November 16th, 2010
7:55 pm

RENTAL complainers please read.

All you folk complaining about this being a rental and not liking the trade because we might only get Uggla one year need to read what Chopper and I have noted (and maybe a couple of others).

Uggla – signed thru 2011
Infante – signed thru 2011

They are BOTH rentals.
They will BOTH be getting huge salary bumps.

That being said, if the Braves are out of the running, whom do you think would bring more back in a trade dealine type of deal?

Yes, this could be a rental, but technically so is Infante as the Braves would simply not sign Infante to a big deal to be a utility infielder.

For those of us who really love Infante (myself included) … look at it this way .. he will finally be getting a chance at being a full time player. He deserves it and I hope he has a great season (except against ATL).

bigwheel

November 16th, 2010
7:55 pm

DOB!! I can’t believe the Marlins GM would JUMP on Omah and Dunn without playing a little auction on his sluggin’ 2B….Great for us though, gotta hand it to Wren and Co.

YAD

November 16th, 2010
7:56 pm

In five season’s, Martin Prado’s fielding percentage while playing second base is .982. In five seasons, Dan Uggla’s fielding percentage while playing second base is .980.

AVL Fann

November 16th, 2010
7:57 pm

I hate to see Omar go, but Uggla is definitely a good addition. I’m not gonna miss Dunn at all, though. His numbers are deceiving. He was afraid to throw in the strike zone all season.

Anyway, I’m a little leery of having Uggla play 2B instead of Martin. Martin’s an excellent defensive second baseman. Better than Uggla, for sure. But since Martin has some experience in LF, it could work out.

Anyway, I think Wren made a good trade here. Time to update my MLB 10: The Show rosters. :D

shmoe

November 16th, 2010
7:57 pm

“Looks like Heyward better learn how to Yoga Teleport.”

LOVE IT!!!!!! Who knew there is still an old school street fighter fan around.

Gulf Coast

November 16th, 2010
7:57 pm

Living in FL (though a proud southerner living along the west coast) and having a family of Marlins fans, let me be the first to inform fellow Braves fans of a bit of absolutely useless trivia: Uggla is Swedish for “apple” . . . now go about your business . . .

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
7:58 pm

YAD, you are forgetting range

ChattaVol

November 16th, 2010
7:58 pm

Bravesfan @ 7:28

Couldn’t agree more. If this trade was made in some fantasy leagues, every opposing manager would protest it.

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
7:58 pm

YAD, those are the numbers, but Prado is a much better fielder with much better range. I’ve seen Uggla field, and it’s not pretty or even adequate really. You know the super hero, the Thing? That’s our new second baseman.

bigwheel

November 16th, 2010
7:59 pm

Didn’t anyone tell Beinfest what Oakland gave up for Matt Holliday????

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
7:59 pm

For the record I think the best defensive combo would be Uggla in left and Prado at second
Wren said Uggla will play 2nd but lets see what Fredi decides

BraveFalcon

November 16th, 2010
7:59 pm

I have three minor concerns: batting average, strikeouts, defense. However, last year he was improved in every one of those areas, so it looks like we may have added him at a good time in his career. Y’all help me edit this if you see something wrong, but I’m thinking the lineup would optimistically look like this (Chipper’s return isn’t certain yet, but that’s what I’ll work with):

LF Prado
RF Heyward
3B Chipper
2B Uggla
C McCann
SS Gonzo
1B Freeman
CF McLouth?…probably not for long
P

benchwarmer

November 16th, 2010
8:00 pm

Uggla and the Braves get it done somehow. I think I saw this in a dream.

Paddy O

November 16th, 2010
8:02 pm

crawford does not like to play CF – besided, he is probably going to the angels.

Churchy

November 16th, 2010
8:03 pm

Uggla is not that bad defensively. He had a lot of errors but also had a lot more chances and games than most at his position.

Nick

November 16th, 2010
8:03 pm

BTW, the people on here hating this deal are so far the only fans on the entire internet I have heard complain. Folks from every other team over on mlbtraderumors and such are calling this a straight up hwy robbery of the Marlins by the Bravos. The marlins fans there are hanging their heads and cursing their GM!!! This is an amazing trade. It really is. Seriously, say it with me …utility infielder who had a career high OPS of under .800 and a good lh pen arm with control issues for a 2nd baseman with a career OPS of .850+ who average over 30 hr’s……… It’s such a no brainer? we didn’t trade prospects, we didn’t move Delgado, Vizcaino, Teheran , Minor,Beachy, Marek….etc This is nothing like the Tex or JD Drew deals…….. It’s one of the best trades in franchise history.

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
8:03 pm

By the way, not all muscle guys are on roids. Ron Gant was not on roids, and Uggla is not either.

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
8:04 pm

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
8:05 pm

I will have see this “defense is not that bad” before I believe it. Hubbard is gone. And from what I have seen of Uggla, he is a pretty bad fielder.

Dave O'Briens Brain

November 16th, 2010
8:05 pm

Enter your comments herethe Cardinals expect talks to heat up with Albert Pujols within the month, they may also be looking at a former All-Star second baseman. Though the free-agent market is short on second basemen, the Florida Marlins’ willingness to make power-hitting Dan Uggla available for trade has caught the Cardinals’ notice.

Read more: http://www.fannation.com/#ixzz15UtcLBoD

Could we now package Uggla to St Louis for Colby?

Don't touch my Junk!

November 16th, 2010
8:05 pm

Bill Hall can play 7 positions instead of 6..just looked at his stats and he pitched a complete inning .no hit, runs=0.00 EA. Hope Wren checks him out. Anyone know his agent?

Still need more

November 16th, 2010
8:05 pm

Not over the top in love with this trade and im not going to railroad the trade. I’m hoping that Wren doesn’t just stop here because while we upgraded ourselves defensively we’ve drowngraded what was already a bad defense. Time to get some true outfielders and it also might be time for Chipper to play more of a role off the bench. Really, at 39… how many games are we truly expecting to see him play this year? How many times next year are we going to have to go to Brooks or Mather to play games at 3rd or 2nd… or see Prado moved down to 3rd and have Mather or Diaz play LF with McLouth out in center.

Frank, i implore you… go after one of the Uptons or even Kemp. Get a natural outfielder! Add some more speed to an even slower line up that you just created.

Kerry

November 16th, 2010
8:05 pm

Good move Frank Wren!! May I ask how u pulled that one off?? You must have had some nude photos of someone in the Marlins organization!! Lol just kidding.. I hope the Braves can sign Uggla to an contract extension but if they don’t they basically gave Dunn for an upgrade from Infante to Uggla. Plus we have a surplus of lefties and we traded from our strength. I don’t think the Braves need to go out and max out their payroll before the season starts in case later in the season if Chipper gets hurt again we have the flexibilty to replace him or bring Prado to 3rd and get an OF.. Gives us options. Plus we are gonna need a couple veterans in the bullpen after losing Wags and Siato.. I would say let McClouth try to get back on track possibly with our new hitting coach and bring in…… Wait for it….. Listen Frank Wren……………..bring back Andruw Jones.. He will command a salary under 1million and the last 2 years with under 300 at bats each season he has hit 17hr and 19 hr.. Plus he has passed his Fat Albert days and seems to be in better shape.. Plus he is only 33 yrs old. I know he will bat only .220 but he always played good defense and still has power. Also Braves fans would be excited to have him back!! Upton will bat about the same and cost us prospects..

TS

November 16th, 2010
8:06 pm

Although I love Omar as much as everyone else does, this is a great deal for ATL regardless of whether they can resign Uggla. It’s really not even debateable.

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
8:06 pm

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
8:06 pm

fslusser seminole 58

November 16th, 2010
8:06 pm

I said I would wait & see what we would have to give up to get a good hitter, but I was not thinking of infante. I might like this trade if we did not have to give away our top hitter, and then face him all next year. Why not Gonzales I still do not think he is going to hit enough to justify keeping him. It does not matter because we don’t have any in put on the trades to begin with so we root for the cards that are delt our way.

ChattaVol

November 16th, 2010
8:07 pm

Is Uggla and update defensively over Conrad? I’ll have to wait and see before I ‘OK’ this trade. FW – you’re on notice.

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
8:11 pm

I would love to see Uggla packaged in a Rasmus deal. That would truly make the team stronger. Keep Prado at 2nd and get a good CF with some speed and some power. I like the Uggla trade, but his hands of stone keep it from being an absolute OMG upgrade to the team. It was a great trade though, and I’m glad we did it.

Tony Graffanino is available

November 16th, 2010
8:11 pm

Uggla’s defense matches his name. His offense is pretty, though. Still, Infante? I hate having to give him up. We lose 40 points in b.a. and better defense. FW gave us Jair and Javier Vasquez, so it’s possible he knows more than me.
Now, if we can just get Chip to do the right thing and ride into the sunset, we could use his 16 mil…

old timer

November 16th, 2010
8:11 pm

This is an even trade. Omar is a really good baseball player. It’s a matter of needing power, which Uggla provides, to balance the lineup. Omar doesn’t figure to hit .321 again, but he will hit for a good average. But no power. We have enough guys like that in the lineup. Uggla has to hit cleanup. McCann is much better suited for the 5 hole. I think Heyward should hit third and Chipper 6th behind McCann. It’s a spot suited to his game now, and if he’s healthy, he can produce a lot there. Sign Podsednik to hit leadoff. Prado second. Keep all the pitching. It’s a real good team that could win the division.

vermont 39

November 16th, 2010
8:11 pm

How can this NOT help the BRAVES?
Omar had a breakout season…we need POWER and INSURANCE…plus Freddi knows him!!!
Nice trade Wren!!!

dpelfrey

November 16th, 2010
8:12 pm

fslusser…

Infante our best hitter? Eli Marrero hit .330 for the Braves a while back in a similar role to Omar’s. Would you have called him our best hitter? Ridiculous, I’m going to make a cocktail.

ATLER (ramblin wreck)

November 16th, 2010
8:12 pm

Can we get more African American player on this team????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why do we always cater to the rednecks in this state!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTW Micheal Vick looked awesome, Falcons should have kept him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now bring it on haters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JD

November 16th, 2010
8:12 pm

Chattvol…exactly…this is an average trade if you count 1) he is a rental player 2) 3rd lowest fielding % for 2B in MLB in 2010. 3) FW says this is “our big deal”. Given this…our defense still is in terrible shape, we have zero team speed and the worst OF in MLB for the FOURTH year in a row.

Nick

November 16th, 2010
8:13 pm

Infante wasn’t our best hitter!!!!! He wasn’t even in the top 5!!!!

team OPS numbers:
Ross- .871
Heyward- .849
McCann-.824
Brooks- .811
Chipper-.806
Hinske-.798
Infante-.775

He has little power. He is a good slap hitter, but good slap hitters aren’t better than guys like Uggla who last year put up an OPS of .877!!! He would have been the best hitter on the team!!!

old timer

November 16th, 2010
8:14 pm

ChattaVol, I am a defensive upgrade over Conrad at second.

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
8:14 pm

Uggla is better at getting on base than Infante
Infante wasnt going to start anyways

Ron H.

November 16th, 2010
8:14 pm

This is a good trade for a few reasons:

1. We sign Uggla to an extension and have a power bat…
2. Uggla walks, but has an outstanding year b/c he’ll be a free agent
3. We get 2 picks if he walks…

JC from DR!

November 16th, 2010
8:15 pm

There goes Omah! He will be missed!
Great move Wren, if we cant beat Uggla, then let’s make him a Brave! LOL!

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
8:15 pm

BJ Upton is black enough and lazy enough to fill the void. I see your hater and raise you a hater.

darrin

November 16th, 2010
8:15 pm

ok fellow braves fans who do yall think will be the next last name put on the back of a braves jersey

upton either one
rasmus
kemp
someone else

Tony Graffanino is available

November 16th, 2010
8:15 pm

Kerry…are you on crack? No one who watched Andruw play his last three years with the Bravos would be ‘excited to have him back’! He was a guaranteed GIDP with runners on base, unless you got lucky and he only struck out with runners in scoring position. We have enough centerfielders who can’t hit.

dpelfrey

November 16th, 2010
8:16 pm

I was all excited to get on this blog and join in on the fun of enjoying one of the most lopsided trades in recent memory (remember the Tim Hudson deal). And I get here and people are actually mad that Wren acquired exactly what this team needed (a power hitting right hander to hit cleanup) without giving up a single legitimate prospect. I’m shocked. Absolutely shocked that anyone could not like this deal. Shocked. Did I mention I’m shocked.

JD

November 16th, 2010
8:16 pm

ATLER: I agree with you Vick was Sick last night…and we brought in Lee…never were gonna resign him…brought in Anderson…and well he played like he didnt want to be here. Prolly cause he was alone if you know what i mean.

Buck shot

November 16th, 2010
8:17 pm

Atler, I don’t agree with the red-neck crap but I would love to see BILLY HALL playing for Braves.

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
8:17 pm

Darrin
I will take BJ

Steve

November 16th, 2010
8:18 pm

We get 2 picks if we offer him arbitration, and he would probably get 10-12 million in arb .. so it’s not a definite that the Braves would risk it.

Just wanted to put that out there.

JD

November 16th, 2010
8:18 pm

dpelfry…we couldve gotten the power numbers by getting Burrell. and he doesnt figure into the amount of balls in play that the butcher Uggla does.

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
8:18 pm

Garret Anderson was uppity. Like Kenny Lofton.

jay

November 16th, 2010
8:19 pm

Omar could play every position he has even caught. That is versatility any team can use.

-"The Boss" G-

November 16th, 2010
8:19 pm

NICE NICE trade Frank Wren..you da man!!! Love this move, love Uggla and yes he does rake at the ted! Sad to see omar going but man what a great deal for a top power hitter, so excited.. Wondering though since it seems like chipper will be out of the lineup a good deal (as usual) who will play LF?? Are we gonna acquire a LF or stick with diaz and re up his deal and hope he turns it around from this season…

Jesse Stone

November 16th, 2010
8:19 pm

I live in South Florida and fans down here are DISGUSTED over this trade. Marlins are now without the two fan favorites: Cody Ross and Uggla.

stephen

November 16th, 2010
8:19 pm

Can’t wait to get my uggla jersey

JD

November 16th, 2010
8:20 pm

Count..Anderson was uppity to the plate and back downity on the pines as fast as 3 strikes were thrown

james

November 16th, 2010
8:20 pm

ATLER

why dont you get a life get the h**l off here and quit bring up race people like up give the human race a bad name that has to be the dumbess d**n comment i have ever read shut the h**l up

mudcat

November 16th, 2010
8:20 pm

Wow, wet dreams do come true!

Don't touch my JUNK!

November 16th, 2010
8:21 pm

Bob Watson retires…good!
Hope Lee resigns with Texas.

Tony Graffanino is available

November 16th, 2010
8:21 pm

ATLer, you’re right, the Falcoons should’ve kept Vick. Of course, it would’ve wreck two seasons not having a quarterback while he

Tony Graffanino is available

November 16th, 2010
8:21 pm

ATLer, you’re right, the Falcoons should’ve kept Vick. Of course, it would’ve wreck two seasons not having a quarterback while he

dpelfrey

November 16th, 2010
8:22 pm

JD,

Burrell is past his prime. What he showed in SF was a flash in the pan. Uggla is still in his prime and is almost a lock to hit 30 homers and drive in 90 runs. You can take Burrell on your fantasy team, I’m happy to have Uggla on the real Braves.

Tony Graffanino is available

November 16th, 2010
8:22 pm

oops, while Vick was in PRISON. But, hey this is UGGLA’s blog. Good job FW. ATLer, take that race card and put it back in your deck. I’m sure you’ll use it again soon.

Churchy

November 16th, 2010
8:23 pm

Looking at defensive stats. Here are the fielding percentages for when these players were playing 2B.

Uggla: career .980, last year .976
Prado: career .982, last year .987
Infante: career .981, last year .978

Where do you see that Uggla is such a liability on defense? He’s far from being one of the best fielding 2B but he’s not bad.

Jesse Stone

November 16th, 2010
8:23 pm

Got a pal that works with the Cardinals that says any trade involving Rasmus will most likely have to include Kimbrel

JD

November 16th, 2010
8:24 pm

I hope Uggla is good at catching throws from the catcher in right center field

Don't touch my JUNK!

November 16th, 2010
8:24 pm

Atler…Why not Fire that Coach at GT named Hewitt..he’s not worth a crap..

ChrisfromSacramento, CA

November 16th, 2010
8:24 pm

THANK GOD. POWER. NOW PLEASE GET ELSBURY, or KEMP

Roja

November 16th, 2010
8:24 pm

Uggla made on average ONE error every NINE GAMES — not 9 errors in 1 game like Conrad did.

He made 18 errors the entire season. He averages 30 hr’s a year and 100+ rbi’s (more hr’s and rbis than Prado and Infante combined)

2 years ago David Wright won a gold glove with only TWO less errors.

Jesse Stone

November 16th, 2010
8:25 pm

JD

November 16th, 2010
8:18 pm
dpelfry…we couldve gotten the power numbers by getting Burrell. and he doesnt figure into the amount of balls in play that the butcher Uggla does
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I remember when I was 5 and didn’t know much about baseball, too.

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
8:25 pm

You have to watch Uggla to see how had he is at 2nd base. He will not have range, and he will stone hand many balls. He also hits 30+ HRs, so, we can live with it. By the allpstar break, you will see that not all .980 fielding percentages are created equal.

Jason

November 16th, 2010
8:26 pm

DOB, do you think there’s any mutual interest in the Braves and Andruw Jones on a one year deal to be 4th outfielder? He could platoon with McLouth in CF and one of them could play LF if/when Chipper gets hurt. Seems like we still need another OF bat or two, depending on what happens with Hinske & Diaz. Andruw only made 500K last year and hit 19/48 with .827 OPS.

JeanE

November 16th, 2010
8:26 pm

Yuk, Uggla a Brave, gag, I guess I have to get used to it. Hope the homers he hits outweigh the inevitable gaffes at 2nd. And for the love of God, Frank, resign MattE D for the bench. He will turn it around next year and it better not be for another team!!!!!!!!

Roja

November 16th, 2010
8:26 pm

What Burrell showed us in the World Series (he took an O for the Series) is what he’s got left in the tank.

JD

November 16th, 2010
8:26 pm

Jesse you just like Uggla cause he’s white

jason

November 16th, 2010
8:27 pm

for all u ppl who think this is a bad trade, lets not forget uggla hit .287, the guy can hit and hit hr’s. we need a guy who can hit hr’s so we can be a team that doesn’t rely on walk off hits.

YAD

November 16th, 2010
8:27 pm

I can’t wait for the season to start. I can, however, wait for the inevitable nicknames that will flood this blog when Mr.Uggla boots a grounder or strikes out with the bases loaded.

bob

November 16th, 2010
8:27 pm

Wow! This is huge.

I like Omar and Dunn but this is a potential steal.

I must believe that Uggla will want to stay with Fredi as his manager.

Now I would like to see a Derek Lowe for Jacoby (red sox) or Gardiner (yankees) for some defense and speed in CF. Use the money to extend Uggla and add Crawford as I really feel that Chipper does not have more than 80 games a year in him.

Thomas

November 16th, 2010
8:28 pm

It’s about time!

JD

November 16th, 2010
8:28 pm

JeanE thanks for some sanity…far to many people following the FW pied piper….this is an average trade at best. Our infield is atrocious. and to the guy that said NO PLATOONING Freeman…yeah…wait till that .212 average goes on for two months…we’ll see about him playing 150 games

Roja

November 16th, 2010
8:29 pm

Vick played like a pit bull let out of the cage last night :)

Nockahoma's Tent is on Fire!!

November 16th, 2010
8:30 pm

Great trade. Now lets go get Jacoby Ellsbury to play centerfield and hit lead off and we have another playoff quality team that hopefully can get to the World Series.. Go Braves!!!!

Roja

November 16th, 2010
8:30 pm

Gonna need at least $185 million to sign Crawford.

JD

November 16th, 2010
8:30 pm

jason…he hit .261 man….that’s pretty poor with all those K’s. this is an average trade at best. We have many many more problems to fix.

Jesse Stone

November 16th, 2010
8:30 pm

I guess every baseball columnist/reporter and baseball insider is following the FW pied piper as well. It’s embarrassing that some of you are fellow Braves fans.

BUzzzzzzzz

November 16th, 2010
8:31 pm

All of you who would rather have Omar Infante instead of Dan Uggla please move out of the state of GA and start rooting for another team. You are thinking with your hearts, this is a great move NO a tremendous move and if you don’t see that then you know absolutely nothing about baseball.

jason

November 16th, 2010
8:31 pm

wait who is playing CF? hope it’s not mcclouth or diaz.

ray

November 16th, 2010
8:31 pm

this deal is actually decent – for a change. did Wren really do this himself ? it becomes terrific if Uggla stays after 2011 (unlikely)
to get comp picks for free agents you have to offer them arbitration, so the Braves don’t get 2 picks automatically. they often decline to offer arbitration ( Drew, Laroche, Johnson). they are the only team who has been burned twice by players unexpectedly acceptng arbitration (maddux and Soriano)

Andrew

November 16th, 2010
8:31 pm

Braves opening day line-up (assuming Chipper is back): Prado, Heyward, Jones, McCann, Uggla, Gonzalez, Freeman, McClouth, and pitcher.

Assuming Chipper’s not back: Prado, Heyward, McCann, Uggla, Gonzalez, Freeman, Mather, McClouth, pitcher.

Although, to be fair, we still don’t know if they are going to sign/trade someone else yet.

Steve

November 16th, 2010
8:32 pm

I don’t think Freddi would ok a trade for Upton given the run-ins he as already had for lack of hustle and workouts. In fact, I am not sure we want that kind of cancer on the Braves.

Just ask yourself .. why are the D-Backs in such a rush to trade a top flight young talent? Well?

I wouldn’t touch Upton until his attitude improves. I am not sure about Rasmus as he is a complainer as well, but he hustles and he was complaining because he wanted to play more (and quite frankly he was right). Not sure on Elsbury either as his rib injury could affect his swing for years.

As for the whole race thing .. Atler is probably a white guy just baiting everyone to ruin a good blog. The Braves front office has never backed down from bringing in minorities. McGriff, Lee, Soriano, Pendleton, Anderson, Willie Harris, Renteria, Brian Jordan, Alfonseca, Pena, Sheffield. I could go on and on, but anyone thinking the Braves organization is racist is actually a racist themselves.

Gulf Coast

November 16th, 2010
8:32 pm

I need to correct an earlier post- Uggla is Swedish for “owl”- you all can now sleep better tonight because of this!

Kerry

November 16th, 2010
8:32 pm

I guess all the Braves haters in here must be Yankee fans.. the Braves have desperately needed a power bat for the last few years and we get one and they cry about it. And hey Tony I guess u don’t like it neither!! There are NO quality free agent CF on the market so I said Andruw because he is definately an upgrade and way cheaper that Ankiel.. Plus if anything he could be good odd the bench as a pinch hitter!! Sign Hinske, Andruw, and let Diaz walk..

TDub

November 16th, 2010
8:32 pm

WhawhawhAAAAA??? Wasn’t expecting that when I opened my laptop tonight…

Jesse Stone

November 16th, 2010
8:33 pm

JD

November 16th, 2010
8:30 pm
jason…he hit .261 man
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
check those numbers and get back to us

Vince McDong

November 16th, 2010
8:33 pm

@ Tony Graffanino is available

Yeah I hated Andruw’s last 3 seasons in Atlanta too… He only hit 51, 41, and 26 Homeruns respectively…. And won 3 straight Gold Gloves, so yeah I hated those last 3 seasons!

ChattaVol

November 16th, 2010
8:33 pm

Sarcasm obviously doesn’t come through the written word very well. I could care less if Uggla has hands of stone, less range than Prado and only a .980 fielding percentage. Dude can absolutely rake it. Anyone who thinks this is a questionable trade b/c we gave up a utility infielder is nuts. I loved watching Omar play, but come on! A utility IF for a bonafide clean-up hitter who’s not left handed? This is a no-brainer…so those of you doubting this might be over-thinking this just a bit.

JD

November 16th, 2010
8:33 pm

Buzzzzed you are high. FW said this is our big move. If so, we get a rental player for 1 yr. a defensive butcher. and no help for the OF. We had a 2B and 3B ALL STAR. Go get a bloody Out fielder.

Don't touch my JUNK!

November 16th, 2010
8:33 pm

JD, lets stop the black and white crap. We are all Braves Fans and wish to win. Color don’t make a damn if he can hit, field, throw, run and wants to win. So get a life and learn to live in this world the one the good Lord gave us all. Now shut up and play ball.

para brave

November 16th, 2010
8:34 pm

Hate losing Omar, But YESSSSSS

Jesse Stone

November 16th, 2010
8:36 pm

Infante’s contract is also up after this year. It is EARLY in the offseason. FW isn’t done yet. I fully expect us to lose at least one young pitcher this offseason and it will bring us a bat.

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
8:36 pm

It is smarter to let Prado play second and Uggla left
I hope Fredi figures that out

Mutts

November 16th, 2010
8:37 pm

Enter your comments here

Braves Fan Since "80

November 16th, 2010
8:37 pm

Good trade…. we will see if it is great on the field…..On paper we are a much better team now but the games are played on grass….. This is great chipper insurance and we will be much improved if we get speed and defense in center or a power bat in LF with solid D….. Matt Diaz should go Hinskie a keeper if he will…… Maybe we can pick up an oldtimer to play SS and 2nd base…… and can the conrad…… This is a great start

Jesse Stone

November 16th, 2010
8:37 pm

Prado has more experience in the OF than does Uggla. Martin plays some OF in winterball

Mitun

November 16th, 2010
8:38 pm

gr8 trade Wren!

here is an Ideal batting lineup imo

Prado
Chipper
J Hey
McCann
Uggla
Gonzo
Ellsbury
Freeman
P

james

November 16th, 2010
8:38 pm

some people would have gripped if they would have got josh hamilton in a trade for infante and dunn never seen anything like it im happy as all get out

JIm (not Mora)

November 16th, 2010
8:39 pm

Geez…where did this come from? From left field I guess. What a move! Now if Ted can just sell off a few million acres in Montana, and buy the team back………

Jesse Stone

November 16th, 2010
8:39 pm

Careful with Ellsbury. His injuries seem chronic and are a concern.

In Fredi I Trust

November 16th, 2010
8:39 pm

I love this move, Uggla is a great pickup. I see us scoring so many more runs this coming season. Sweet deal.

On a side note, I am going to miss Infante. That dude is a gamer, and I am going to hate seeing him play for the Marlins. Oh well, we got our RH power bat now. Now lets upgrade at CF and we should be alright.

rc35

November 16th, 2010
8:39 pm

INSANITY!!!!!! The Braves traded our BEST player and a promising, fireballing pitcher for Uggla? Now Uggla can contribute to 162 Braves’ losses instead of just the times we play the Marlins.

The ONLY thing good about this is that Uggla did beat us so many times as a Marlin. (What is it with the “U” guys, anyway? We could never beat Uggla, Utley, or (until he went to prison) Urbina.)

If we could have traded some of the deadwood, this could have been a good deal. Has anybody noticed, however, that Uggla plays the same position as Prado?

And they traded Omar Infante?

I repeat, INSANITY!

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
8:40 pm

lol agree James

JD

November 16th, 2010
8:40 pm

james you were happy about Kawakami too

Reid in EAV

November 16th, 2010
8:40 pm

I know I’m getting greedy, but I’d still love to see us add a CF of the speed/OBP variety. And fortunately those guys are a lot more affordable than the Carl Crawfords and Jason Werths of the world.

So… Jacoby Ellsbury? Any of the accountants out there know if there’s a chance we have enough to land him? Or someone like him in a trade? We have a surplus of SPs, so I wouldn’t be too distraught to see a Minor or Beachy move if that’d swing it.

We need some bench flexibility now, but I’m not too worried about the role players. FW does a pretty good job getting those guys here and in the right spots.

Jesse Stone

November 16th, 2010
8:40 pm

james- you are absolutely right. I felt bad for my Marlins friends when they told me of the trade. The mood is not good down here in SoFla

In Fredi I Trust

November 16th, 2010
8:41 pm

Also, the Braves will find a way to only have Uggla for 1 year. They are to cheap to give him 5 years and 60+ million that he will get from other teams.

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
8:41 pm

Damn, rc35, you are stupid or a kid

JD

November 16th, 2010
8:41 pm

rc35 you the man. but I must say…beware…the Koolaid drinkers are about to cascade their words upon you

jonathan Simeone

November 16th, 2010
8:42 pm

This is a good trade! I really don’t think the Braves gave up much, because I think Omar had a career year in 2010. Having said that, I’m not sure Uggla should be offered a huge deal. He is one of the worst defensive second baseman in the game and his fielding will only get worse as he ages. When he has to move to the outfield or third base his bat will be much less of a luxury it currently is. Because of his bad defense our excitement over this trade must be tempered. The Braves were one of the worst fielding teams in the game and this will make that problem even worse.

Kerry

November 16th, 2010
8:43 pm

Wth?? Let’s get Uggla then trade him.. That is a stupid post!! Frank Wren worked this trade to perfection.. He saw that signing an outfielder like Werth or Crawford was beyond the Braves payroll and after that their was no other outfielders that would put up better number than Prado if he moved out to LF!! Prado has been playing LF in winter ball the past 2 years an obviously the Braves were confident with what they saw. So Wren went and got an 2nd baseman with better numbers than Werth!! And let me Remind you all that Werth only hit 9 homers away from Citizens Bank park last year!! This is a huge trade and Frank keeps amazes us.. Yeah all u haters let’s go get Pat Burrell who is a huge liability in the field and went like 0-13 in the WS with 11 strikeouts!!

shmoe

November 16th, 2010
8:43 pm

we now have two silver slugger all stars on the diamond. woohooo!!!

Ralph

November 16th, 2010
8:44 pm

All we need now is a center fielder, McOut must go.

JD

November 16th, 2010
8:44 pm

the two silver sluggers are fools gold fielders

bob

November 16th, 2010
8:44 pm

Chipper please go away now!

Ken Stallings

November 16th, 2010
8:46 pm

This is probably the least cost the Braves could have possibly paid to get a bonafide power hitter. Moving Prado to left field is a rational move. Of course, the trade really becomes focused when we learn if we can sign Uggla to a multi-year deal.

If he bolts after 2011, then the trade can still be seen as a best possible move.

Obviously I hate losing Omar Infante. He may be an excellent second baseman for Florida. But, he won’t be the power hitter that Uggla was. Wren was able to pull this trade off because Florida knew Uggla would leave them after 2011. This way they get two good players long term for him.

But the Braves get the hitter they need right now by giving up the best utility man in the National League (maybe MLB) and a average at best relief pitcher. Again, if we sign Uggla to an extension, it may well end up being Wren’s best trade so far.

rc35

November 16th, 2010
8:46 pm

Triple John, I’ve been a Braves’ fan since 1965, so I’m a long way from a kid, and I don’t consider myself stupid, either, but I don’t see the benefit to the team. If we’d unloaded McLouth or some AAA guy who had never proved himself, OK, but to send off one of the two guys (watch out, Prado!) who could actually be counted on to reach base with regularity and a hard-throwing pitcher who had shown signs of real promise…

It may not be Brett Butler for Len Barker, but I don’t see a reason to stand up and cheer when we traded more than we got.

BTW, Triple John, I hope I’m wrong, but in the words of Han Solo, “I got a bad feeling about this.”

Jim

November 16th, 2010
8:47 pm

Love the trade.

I have a feeling we are going to see Dunn a lot in the late innings coming in to face Heyward and McCann.

Lebowski

November 16th, 2010
8:47 pm

All you haters of this deal will shut up after Uggla hits a homer in his first game. Mike Dunn was terrible you guys are just looking at his ERA but if you watched EVERY game last year like I did, you would think he throws a straight fastball and melts in pressure situations.

As for Infante, BEAST! but we needed Uggla more.

Frumpy

November 16th, 2010
8:48 pm

CF Mclouth
LF Prado
RF Heyward
C McCann
2B Uggla
3B Jones
1B Freeman
SS Gonzalez

Liking it alot!!!

Techmate

November 16th, 2010
8:48 pm

My guess is that Chipper may play one more year. If that is the case, the Braves would then have Chippers’ salary available for Uggla.

Jesse Stone

November 16th, 2010
8:48 pm

By ridding themselves of Uggla’s salary, the Marlins plan to spen 6M per year on FA catcher John Buck.

JD

November 16th, 2010
8:48 pm

rc35…well said…get out your umbrella for the KoolAid gang

bob leblah

November 16th, 2010
8:49 pm

I like the trade but… what does Chipper Jones own the 3rd spot in the batting order ?? I thought Fredi would have some balls and either bench Chipper if necessary or move him down in the order. How can you decide before preseason that Chipper is 3rd?

Pat my Lemke

November 16th, 2010
8:50 pm

Overall a nice trade for power and solid back up plan for Chipper. We still need a few more pieces in the outfield and maybe someone to relieve Freeman like Hinske or Cantu if he struggles. How much is the team salary at this point? Any ideas of how much they are going to be spending this year?

TydeFan

November 16th, 2010
8:51 pm

Uggla and Josh Willingham are close buds. I know Willingham was out part of last year with a bad back, but imagine those two sluggers being added to the Braves’ lineup.

cheshire

November 16th, 2010
8:52 pm

I think you have to love this trade. To the people who are complaining about only having him for 1 year, i can promise you that if he’s a great offensive piece, they will find a way to keep him… you have to remember how much salary we have coming off the books in the next couple of years. Chipper likely retires next year (if not this year), Kawakami’s salary will be gone, Nate’s will be gone, and Lowe’s will be gone shortly thereafter. That’s more than enough $$ to either sign Uggla long term or get a replacement free agent in the future.

I really only have 2 concerns now:

1 – what are you going to do at 3rd if Chipper can’t return? My honest hope was that he’d just go ahead and retire so we could have the salary to spend on another player… what’s going to suck is if we are paying $14M to a player next year who can barely play half the season. but if he gets hurt again, you’re going move Prado back to 3rd, and if you don’t make a move for an outfielder, you’re going to be stuck with the same miserable outfield situation you had this past year.

2 – you CAN NOT start McLouth next year. i don’t care if he’s batting 8th. PLEASE go find another centerfielder… just someone who is semi-competent against major league pitching and doesn’t do the worst imaginable thing with every at-bat. If he just bats .240 with a decent OBP, that’s a massive improvement. Just someone who isn’t an automatic out.

So i guess both of those lead to the same conclusion… you really need to get a decent outfielder. Just plugging Prado in left and hoping Chipper makes it through the year is way too risky.

Lebowski

November 16th, 2010
8:52 pm

i think the Braves payroll will raise from 84 mil to 87-90 mil this season.

Jesse Stone

November 16th, 2010
8:52 pm

rc35

November 16th, 2010
8:46 pm
we traded more than we got
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You may have been a Braves fan since 65 (or 66), but you can’t judge talent. Infante is a lifetime utility player who had one outstanding year. We would never get a higher return for him than now.

Jimmy G

November 16th, 2010
8:53 pm

I’m not too sure about this. Getting a great guy but giving up an amazing young player and an amazing young pitching prospect. Seems like status quo for the Braves in recent years. LET’S NOT THINK ABOUT BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE…LET’S SEE HOW WE CAN WIN NEXT YEAR. We don’t have the money from our wonderful media company bosses….if I remember correctly, our media boss makes more than the combined Braves roster.

Build from within.

We’ll regret the two trades down the line. For sure.

Lefty

November 16th, 2010
8:53 pm

Oh boy, we get a guy who averages 160 strikeouts a year and a .259 batting average the last 4 years. If we’re that desperate, Jeff Francouer could hit 30 home runs if nobody cared about HIS batting average and strikeouts. It’ll get old watching him do a u-turn back to the dugout with runners in scoring position (100 RBIs only once). This smells like a younger version of Troy Glaus.

Prado and Chipper are injury prone (at least Uggla is not), Alex Gonzalez lost his Toronto power and has a way overrated glove. Freddie Freeman has proven nothing. Our center fielders have proven they can’t play. I miss Infante already!!

Kerry

November 16th, 2010
8:53 pm

Andruw Jones for CF!!

EDDIE

November 16th, 2010
8:54 pm

Chipper is done. He needs to retire and let the Braves put a good healthy team together.

Lebowski

November 16th, 2010
8:55 pm

I agree with Kerry, Andruw for CF. He showed tremendous power in his limited time in Chicago.

Jesse Stone

November 16th, 2010
8:55 pm

Lefty, if you miss infante that badly, there are PLENTY seats available at SunLife Stadium for you.

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 16th, 2010
8:56 pm

Infante wsn’t even going to start
What don’t people understand?

TDub

November 16th, 2010
8:56 pm

Wren: “I’ll give you Infante and Dunn for Uggla.”
Bienfest: “Gosh, I don’t know, that sounds a little light…”
Wren: “Ok, ok. I understand. But here’s what I’ll do for you to sweeten the deal. I’ll give you these special magic beans, too!”
Bienfest: “…Magic… Wait, what?”
Wren: “Yes! Magic beans! You know what they do?!?”
Bienfest (breathless): “What! What!”
Wren: “If you plant them at night, they grow into a shiny new stadium with luxury boxes and everything. And, if you plant them during a full moon… They might even grow into real human fans!”
Bienfest: “Oh! Oh! Ok!!! Let’s do it!”
Wren: “Splendid…” (rubs hands together)
(end scene)

Kerry

November 16th, 2010
8:56 pm

Come back home Andruw!! Call Frank Wren yourself!!

ChattaVol

November 16th, 2010
8:57 pm

Sign Jeter, trade Jones for D Wright, give up on Heyward for J Rivera, Manny to CF, Barry Bonds out of retirement to play LF. Would that make you morons happy?!?!?!?!?!

Just Wanna Say

November 16th, 2010
8:57 pm

like most have said, I love Omar, but we needed a guy like this. We still have our players of the future as well. Great move Frank! Also, think about it this way, we should be able to resign him, and if Chipper retires resigning shouldnt be a problem, financially at least, and we have his replacement. Love it!

Just Wanna Say

November 16th, 2010
8:59 pm

P.S. Omar is not that young anymore people.

cheshire

November 16th, 2010
9:00 pm

rc35, i couldn’t disagree with you more.

A good offense needs two types of hitters – guys who can get on base and guys who can drive them in. The problem is that this team was filled with guys who could get on base… for much of the season we had one of the highest OBPs in the league. Those are great players to have toward the top of your lineup, but in the middle of your lineup you need high SLG % guys to drive them in. That’s what we were lacking. We had tons of the first type and hardly any of the second type.

You’re correct about Infante – he was great at getting on base. But that wasn’t a commodity we were lacking. You basically just traded two things we had plenty of – a high OBP batter and a left handed reliever – for something we desperately needed, a power hitting batter with a good SLG % and high RBIs. That’s what you have to do to build a team.

The other thing you have to remember about Infante is that he’s never done what he just did for a full season. Could he be a great every day player? It’s possible, but it’s more likely that he had an above average year (especially considering his age), which means that we just traded him at the height of his marketability. That’s a good thing.

Mitchell

November 16th, 2010
9:00 pm

Omar, don’t go!

I miss Omar already. I might very well have a man crush on Omar.

I can’t help it, he’s awesome. That being said, he’s no Dan Uggla.

Mike Dunn, you can get the hell up out of here for all I care.

I’ll take this trade any day of the week.

But still, Omar… parting is such sweet sorrow.

Okay, that’s kind of gay. Pretend I didn’t say that.

DHD

November 16th, 2010
9:00 pm

If you want to see what a great trade this is for the Braves, go to a Marlins discussion board. I haven’t heard so much cussin’ since I listened to a Rap station.

jack bauer

November 16th, 2010
9:01 pm

Please retire Chipper! We need your salary you haven’t ben earning.

Jesse Stone

November 16th, 2010
9:02 pm

Marlins ownership popularity is at an all-time low. They traded Cabrera for a bunch of prospects and now they are all gone. They LIED to get funding for a new stadium and got caught. They GIVE fan favorite Cody Ross to the WS Champs, and now they trade Uggla for a utility man and a LH reliever. Did I mention that the Dolphins top 2 QB were injured Sunday? oh well, at least they have LeBron.

Lebowski

November 16th, 2010
9:03 pm

Chipper is earning his salary. He gave up millions so we could get other players.

Kerry

November 16th, 2010
9:03 pm

David O’Brien please tell Frank Wren to take a look at Andruw Jones..

Omar Infante

November 16th, 2010
9:04 pm

I’m taking my utility talents to South Beach

Gary O

November 16th, 2010
9:05 pm

Great trade for Wren and the Braves. Even if we have Uggla for only 1 year, we can get 2 draft picks for him next year.

This is different than the Tex trade, because for Tex, we gave up blue chip prospects (including a future ROY closer).

This is different than the McLouth trade because Uggla has a 5 year track record. Nate only had one or 2 good years.

Optimism in November Doesn't Win Championships

November 16th, 2010
9:06 pm

Here we go again. “Frank Wren is the greatest GM!” until the season starts and you unrealistic Braves fans realize you still have the weakest hitting outfield in the majors. Daniel Cooley Uggla will hit homeruns but who will be on base? And when (not if) Chipper goes down and Prado has to move to the infield, the defense will be even worse. You gained a few HR but lost OBP at the top of the lineup and weakend your bench. Who will close? Venters was good in his role last year but he is no Billy Wagner. Stop daydreaming, you still need an outfielder that can drive in runs and Freddie Freeman is no guarantee at 1B. S.O.S. 85-90 wins and looking up at Philadelphia and maybe Florida.

Kerry

November 16th, 2010
9:06 pm

Everyone access MLB Network facebook, twitter, etc and tell Frank Wren to sign Andruw!! Let’s get the rumor swirling so it might get his attention!!

AlabamaRamblinwreck

November 16th, 2010
9:06 pm

Strikeout Machine…Big Mistake….Omar should have stayed

Quincy

November 16th, 2010
9:06 pm

“Uggla made on average ONE error every NINE GAMES — not 9 errors in 1 game like Conrad did.

He made 18 errors the entire season. He averages 30 hr’s a year and 100+ rbi’s (more hr’s and rbis than Prado and Infante combined)

2 years ago David Wright won a gold glove with only TWO less errors.”

=================================
Hey Einstein, David Wright plays 3B!! Ryne Sandberg went a whole season at 2B without making ANY errors. An error every 9 games at 2B is TERRIBLE. After watching Uggla kick the ball around the infield and strikeout more than Rick Ankiel, get back to us, okay? Uggla also has a terrible habit of not hustling. Glavine ripped on him last year for walking back to home plate after a foul ball. “He couldn’t play for Bobby Cox” were his exact words.

shmoe

November 16th, 2010
9:07 pm

hell yeah lets win now, and later. the future has been coming for the pirates for the last 20 years

Gary O

November 16th, 2010
9:08 pm

From DOB’s article.

“Much will depend on whether Jones is back and ready to assume his No. 3 spot in the order.”

Why should Chipper be penciled in as the #3 hitter? Wouldnt he be better off at second in the lineup, since his biggest asset is hs OBP (and not power)?

Isnt Heyward ready to assume the #3 spot?

What do you guys think?

shmoe

November 16th, 2010
9:09 pm

quincy,

that’s the thing. uggla ain’t playin for bobby cox

Mitchell

November 16th, 2010
9:09 pm

Couldn’t we have traded Brooks?

I’d have given up Beachy instead of Omar.

I’m amazed they didn’t want JJ or Minor or somebody. You’d think they would want young pitching.

Mike Dunn, I’m not losing any sleep over that.

Good trade. Damn good trade.

braint

November 16th, 2010
9:09 pm

Can’t believe I’m reading where people think it was a mistake to trade Infante….Huh? Infante had a career year for the Braves this year and I liked him a lot and he was huge for us but, his career year was 8 HR 47 RBI in over 500 ABs….Uggla has averaged almost 31 HR and 88 RBI the last 5 years. Get a clue.

K. Sam

November 16th, 2010
9:10 pm

LF Prado
3B Jones
RF Heyward
2B Uggla
C McCann
CF McLouth
SS Gonzalez
1B Freeman

Optimism in November Doesn't Win Championships

November 16th, 2010
9:11 pm

@Gary O – agree wholeheartedly. The only thing you can count on Chipper doing is gettin hurt and missing time. Over under on first injury 18 games.

shmoe

November 16th, 2010
9:12 pm

1. prado
2. chipper
3. heyward
4. uggla
5. mccann
6. gonzalez
7. freeman
8. mclouth

a

November 16th, 2010
9:13 pm

i know it may be asking a lot, but can you guys imagine how good this team will be if freeman has a season like heyward’s rookie year AND mclouth returns to even 75% of his old self? that’s a great team.

Lebowski

November 16th, 2010
9:13 pm

Chipper will come back to form, just watch. Just when you count Chipper out, he’s not. Plus he hasnt had a true 30 homer guy hitting behind him since Andruw and you know how he faired in the 07 season.

Evian

November 16th, 2010
9:14 pm

Wow, just wow! I’ve watched a lot of Marlins games (unfortunately) and Dan Uggla is the streakiest player I’ve ever seen. He is the master of the meaningless home run and he saves his errors for the most important game-losing moments. This guy strikes out an obscene amount, and his lifetime batting average is right on par with Alex Gonzalez. What we have now is Rico Brogna with a stone glove (at least Rico could pick it at first). If Uggla is the savior, our goal must be mediocrity.

Michael Altamura

November 16th, 2010
9:14 pm

Fix the damn article, will you? It’s “excited”, not “exited”. I HATE when people do that.

chyna doll

November 16th, 2010
9:15 pm

@Derrick

dang, i didn’t know the Uggla trade was a prophecy!

cheshire

November 16th, 2010
9:15 pm

Optimism – what are you talking about?? You act like every year Braves fans get delusional about their team and are then brought down to earth. Wren is constantly attacked by this fanbase, not worshipped.

Additionally, you don’t seem to understand much about how our team was structured… we have plenty of high OBP players. We were sorely lacking SLG % and power. Gaining HRs and losing an OBP player is exactly what we needed to do… We just gave up what we have tons of to get what we are sorely lacking. How exactly is that a bad thing??

I do think you’re right in saying we need a good outfielder, but we don’t have to have a power hitting outfielder. We just needed one more power bat, which Uggla gives us. It doesn’t matter which position it’s from. What we need in the outfield (specifically centerfield) is just a competent bat, not a silver slugger.

And who will close? Seriously?? Go look up Venters and Kimbrels numbers and get back to me on that one. The bullpen is the part of this team that’s in great shape.

Just Wanna Say

November 16th, 2010
9:17 pm

We still need an outfielder in my opinion. Rasmus might be worth some prospects. He is young and talented. I know he is a lefty, but replacing Mclousy with Rasmus would be awesome. I think we have enough in our farm system to not get hurt.

Fred's Barney

November 16th, 2010
9:18 pm

Evian, I agree that Uggla hits meaningless home runs…unless he’s playing the Braves. When the other team gets a big lead and their pitchers start throwing all fastballs, Uggla will pad his stats! In clutch moments, he can’t hold his water, so to speak.

cheshire

November 16th, 2010
9:19 pm

braint, totally agree… Infante was a well liked player so i think anytime you get rid of someone like that, people are understandably going to freak out and act like the sky is falling.

But if you understand what this lineups strengths and weaknesses are, this trade makes perfect sense. And like you said, it’s not as if Infante is some 22 year old rookie who just came up this past year and blew everyone away. He’s a utility man in the middle of his career and had a great year, which happens sometimes… it doesn’t mean he’s now an untouchable commodity. Given where he is, it makes perfect sense to trade him at the height of his value to get something you need, especially when Infante represents something you have a lot of (high OBP).

jerry

November 16th, 2010
9:19 pm

Uggla’s strikeout ratio to homers is about 5 to 1. That’s why he is a .250 hitter. No big deal here. At best a treading water trade.

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
9:21 pm

People, we owe Chipper every bit of this comeback opportunity. No way in heck, we let his last play be Chipper crumpled up on the grass. That said, Chipper is 39 and no stranger to injury the last several years. He also owes it to us to know if he is done, or if he gets injured again, to take a Bobby Bonilla type deal to ease the Braves payroll the next 2 years. I’m rooting for Chipper to hit .290 with 22HR and 80RBIs. I don’t see how any Braves fan can’t be rooting for the same.

cheshire

November 16th, 2010
9:21 pm

ugh, seeing these suggested lineups with McLouth still in them makes me cringe.

Wren HAS to go get another outfielder. doesn’t have to be an all-star, but just someone who can play at the major league level and not strike out or hit into a DP every at bat. Preferrably a centerfielder. If Nate is doing anything other than sitting on the bench, pinch running, or hanging out in Gwinnet until we can unload him, that is a VERY bad thing.

Delmar

November 16th, 2010
9:22 pm

Prado
Heyward
Jones
Uggla
McCann
Freeman
Gonzales
McLouth
P

David O'Brien

November 16th, 2010
9:22 pm

DOB
happy with the trade is this it as far as big news this season or do you think they are still loking for a center fielder and have something up their sleeve like upton or rasmus since they didnt give up some prospects in the uggla deal what you think

also now wren please bring back hinske and diaz

I think this is it for big news, but re-signing Hinske is a good possibility, if they can agree to terms. Diaz also, though not sure if quite as likely. But definitely possible.

Fan since 1977

November 16th, 2010
9:22 pm

Great move. Dunn sucks. We finally have a cleanup hitter.

Query: Why can’t the cripple play LF? He did for 3 years. Prado’s natural position is 3B.

ChattaVol

November 16th, 2010
9:23 pm

So all the “experts” are calling this a steal for the Braves, that they got exactly what they needed. BUT the blog “experts” are poo-pooing this trade. You all should replace Olney, Rosenthal, Gammons…hell, even FW. Quit your day jobs and go run the Braves. You obviously are way over qualified for the position. Hacks.

old brave, retired

November 16th, 2010
9:25 pm

Good trade, Frank. We still have Diory Hernandez for Jack of all Trade utility man. All he did was hit .300 last year. Give him a chance to be your bench guy that plays all the positions. And we are not finished in the trade dept. Go Bravos!

Optimism in November Doesn't Win Championships

November 16th, 2010
9:25 pm

h@Cheshire – pitching in the 7th and 8th innings is not closing. Venters and Kimbrels were great in their “setup roles” but there is a big difference in seeing the man and being the man. The Braves need another bat, Dan Uggla is not going to put fear in the hearts of pitchers (other than the Braves).

cheshire

November 16th, 2010
9:26 pm

count_schemula, i think any Braves fan would love that, but at this point in his career, it’s just not realisitic.

It’s got nothing to do with liking or not liking Chipper… it’s just that seeing as how my team is on a very strict budget, the notion of giving about 1/6th of our payroll to a guy whose numbers are declining at a rapid pace that can’t stay on the field for even half the season just seems incredibly unwise.

Yes, the ideal scenario is that he comes back and has a great year. But seeing as how all indicators make that incredibly unlikely, it would just be better for the team if he’d go ahead and retire to free up some salary and not make the front office scramble in the middle of the summer when he has a season ending injury. The worst case scenario is that we both spend $14M on him and get nothing in return.

Lebowski

November 16th, 2010
9:27 pm

DOB, can you ask Wren if he’s still looking for a center fielder? A cheap one like Andruw?

E-6

November 16th, 2010
9:28 pm

Great first strike by the Braves. Like others hate to lose Infante but when you get 30 homers, your trading partner isn’t going to be asking for Melky and KK. Now perhaps a veteran reliever and, please God, an upgrade at shortstop and we’re set.

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
9:28 pm

Which is why I said Chipper owes it to the Braves to take a Bonilla type deal if he is truly done. He has to know he’s right on that edge right now.

Don't touch my JUNK!

November 16th, 2010
9:29 pm

Fredi told Uggla he couldn’t wear 6 because it belong to a guy that won 2500 games..per Jeff S.

gcs

November 16th, 2010
9:29 pm

cheshire

November 16th, 2010
9:29 pm

Optimism, you are aware that many closers (Rivera included) start as set up men? And that Kimbrel is being groomed to be the set up man? And that Wagner himself has stated numerous times that he thinks Kimbrel is an astonishing talent who will make an amazing closer? Either of them should be able to step into that role… it’s not THAT big a stretch, and each of them actually did it a few times during the season.

Fan since 1977

November 16th, 2010
9:31 pm

Lebowski –

I’ll answer that. Because of $$ our CF will be McLouth. Sad but true.

DOB –

Will Washington take JJ in exchange for Adam Dunn?

Lebowski

November 16th, 2010
9:31 pm

If anybody watched Craig Kimbrel they would know he is a right-handed Billy Wagner. Venters stuff is just absolutely filthy for the set up role.

Don't touch my JUNK!

November 16th, 2010
9:31 pm

What about asking Wren if any interest in Bill Hall?

Thanks DOB.

Lebowski

November 16th, 2010
9:32 pm

@Fan since 1977

Adam Dunn is a Free Agent.

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
9:32 pm

This Chipper contract is a reward for him basically deferring a lot of money when he was an MVP candidate. He got paid plenty and is getting paid plenty, but it’s not 100% fair to look at his current salary and numbers and ask is he worth it. The Liberty CEO makes more than the whole Braves team. I’m just saying give him his due, don’t just sweep him out like he’s fantasy baseball. He is Atlanta Braves baseball.

glove51

November 16th, 2010
9:32 pm

Hate to see Infante go, but probably a good time to trade him, at a possible peak value. I’m kkind of surprised the Braves would throw in Dunn. I’m not super enthusaistic about Uggla, but he may have been the best power bat that was readily avilable. He strkes oiut an awful lot for his level of power, and my be entering his delcine phase.

Lebowski

November 16th, 2010
9:32 pm

Ill answer that.

collegeballfan

November 16th, 2010
9:33 pm

“In 45 career games at Turner Field, Uggla has a .354 average with 12 homers, 36 RBIs and a 1.051 OPS.”

Uggla is gonna love playing 81 games at The Ted.

Really nice trade. Now if the owners will fork over some cash so we can keep him for 5 to 6 years.

It is November and I am already saying “we”.

jch

November 16th, 2010
9:34 pm

Infante for Uggla – works for me!!!

I know we lose Dunn as well but we were dealing from surplus stock, very, very good surplus, but still he’s no great loss considering the stock of quality pitchers we have.

Great move! If Freeman pans out we have a pretty potent line up and top notch pitching

Fan since 1977

November 16th, 2010
9:35 pm

Lebowski -

Thanks. Since he’ll want $60 million over 4 years minimum I guess we won’t get him.

Cheap bastards.

Bill

November 16th, 2010
9:38 pm

I had rather have Billy Hall than Diaz. Hall has more to offer. Henski and Hall would make a great Left & right utilty bench.

count_schemula

November 16th, 2010
9:39 pm

My love affair with Diaz has waned… he was fun for a while, but I’m over it.

Fan since 1977

November 16th, 2010
9:40 pm

Weird watching college football on a Tuesday night. Even weirder listening to a chick announcer. Shouldn’t she be ironing a shirt somewhere?

David O'Brien

November 16th, 2010
9:42 pm

From ESPN stats guru Mark Simon:

In obtaining Uggla, the Braves not only acquire the premier middle infielder in terms of home run hitting, but also, next to Albert Pujols, one of the best right-handed power hitters in the National League.

Uggla’s 154 home runs are the most by a middle infielder in his first five seasons, in major league history (18 more than Ernie Banks). They also trail only Pujols for most home runs by an NL right-handed hitter in these last five seasons.

Uggla is a .354 career hitter at Turner Field. His batting average is the third-best of anyone there since the ballpark opened in 1997. His .652 slugging percentage there trails only a pair of immortals — Barry Bonds and Pujols.

Those concerns that the Braves dealt with in the postseason regarding their defense may not go away though. Baseball Info Solutions rates Uggla tied for the worst among second basemen in baseball in terms of defensive runs saved (a metric that measures ability to turn batted balls into outs and turn double plays) and he’s rated among the worst in three of the last four seasons.

Historically, Uggla’s biggest issue is fielding balls hit to the left of where the second basemen typically plays (the first base/second base hole), though he did improve from a minus-12 to a minus-6 in BIS’s plus-minus rating (the batted balls into outs component of Runs Saved) on balls hit that way from 2009 to 2010, meaning that new first baseman Freddie Freeman may have some extra ground to cover.

Trading their top home run hitter is nothing new for the Marlins. Each of the top four players on the Marlins all-time home run list (Uggla, Mike Lowell, Miguel Cabrera, and Derrek Lee) have been traded away by the franchise during the prime of their careers. With 124 home runs, Hanley Ramirez is 30 behind Uggla’s mark and can take aim in 2011.

collegeballfan

November 16th, 2010
9:42 pm

Some put up this:
Prado
Heyward
Jones
Uggla
McCann
Freeman
Gonzales
McLouth
P

Facing a lefty on the mound I would prefer Uggla between McCann and Freeman; and with a righty as written.

Hinske needs to be a priority for Wren. That is one guy who earned his $$ last season.

kirkinga

November 16th, 2010
9:43 pm

On paper this appears to be a very good deal for the Braves. But in my gut, I can’t help but wonder how you replace an Omar Infante?

You have to give up something to get something and Infante was more than just a spare part. I ask myself if the Braves make the playoffs last season without Infante and clearly the answer is “no”.

One of the team’s strengths last season was it’s bench and now the cornerstone of that strength is gone. The pen was also a strength and losing the leftie Dunn weakens the pen. The offense has been improved without inflicting a severe price, but we are fooling ourselves if we think the trade doesn’t create holes that must be filled if the Braves are to contend again.

So yea for the offense. Boo for the defense, and a big “I” for incomplete for the bench and pen. I hope the Braves can sign this guy to an extension or we’ll be talking about this trade along side the ones that brought us Tex and Drew.

darrin

November 16th, 2010
9:44 pm

DOB

thank for replying what do you think about andruw jones for cf and is it a possibility ive seen his name brought up here some have you heard anything about him

Optimism in November Doesn't Win Championships

November 16th, 2010
9:44 pm

@Cheshire – they are great talents but Wagner’s SO/BB was 4.73; Kimbrel 2.53; and Venters 2.38; Until they cut down on the walks it will be dicey. We will talk again in June, July, August. LOL!

Braves325

November 16th, 2010
9:45 pm

Dave,

Second sentence: ‘The’ should be ‘They.’ :)

chuck the barber

November 16th, 2010
9:45 pm

What’s Ryan Howard’s K to BB rate? Most power hitters don’t live by HR alone. Can’t drive home 100 without some gappers, too. BTW, errors only part of the story on defense. Does he get to more balls than most, judgement call errors, how’s he turn the DP? Uggla’s got that determination, doesn’t seem to fear the runner, a bit of Napoleon

GB

November 16th, 2010
9:47 pm

Dave, any chance the Braves still go after Elsbury or Upton from Tampa?

darrin

November 16th, 2010
9:47 pm

DOB

also bill hall MAYBE as a utility player to replace infante instead of diaz

Kerry

November 16th, 2010
9:50 pm

DOB.. I agree with signing Hinske but I think it’s time to pass on Diaz.. Plus he is a liabilty in the outfield especially going back on balls.. I think the Braves need to take a look at Andruw Jones..

Najeh Davenpoop

November 16th, 2010
9:51 pm

Frank Wren is continuing a pattern of trading for career .260 hitters after one outlier career season (see McLouth, Nate and Gonzalez, Alex). Uggla gives the Braves power (much like Gonzo was supposed to give the Braves power) but at what cost? Taking the high average and plate discipline of Infante out of the top of the lineup in exchange for 150 more whiffs per season in the middle of the order? And let’s not forget that Infante was one of the few somewhat bright spots on this defensively challenged team last year, and he’s being replaced by one of the defensively weakest second basemen in the league.

At least let’s hope they can sign him to an extension. If Uggla walks after this year this trade will be atrocious. As of right now it is merely questionable.

DHD

November 16th, 2010
9:52 pm

Andruw is WAY to fat to play CF. You guys are living in the past. Get over this fascination of bringing re-treads back to ATL. We need McLouth to play like he did when we all got excited about getting him. We may as well because we are stuck with him. If we can make a deal for Ellsbury or either Upton, do it.

JacketFan

November 16th, 2010
9:53 pm

Very excited about this trade. Welcome to Atlanta, Uggla! Glad to have ya!

Najeh Davenpoop

November 16th, 2010
9:54 pm

Oh yeah, and in the absence of another move this trade necessitates that Heyward remains in the #2 spot instead of moving into a more run-producing position in the order. Not a big fan of that.

Fan since 1977

November 16th, 2010
9:55 pm

Ted should buy back the Braves and sign Jason Werth.

Jess Think'n

November 16th, 2010
9:56 pm

Don’t let Terry Pendleton near him !

Justafan

November 16th, 2010
9:56 pm

Hall to replace Infante and forget Diaz.. he can hit but thats all. One bad LF’er.

A Jones is past History…..no place for him in Atlanta.

Jimmy Beam, you are my friend

November 16th, 2010
9:58 pm

Wow! Am I in a drunken dream state, or is this really Braves news?! Go Frank, GO! I too, absolutely hate to give up Infante, and Dunn looks very promising, but thank the Lord above, I’m NOT GM. I don’t see all the in’s and out’s and contract terms and if’s, then’s, or but’s. Haha! And I’m sure all of you are glad I’m NOT GM, too!

Frank, just pulled the rug out from under about 8 other teams who were saying, “I’ll get Uggla, and you get _______, and then you can trade ________ for #######.”

Wow! Time for another adult beverage….. I might even go kiss my cousin, Jack. Jack Daniels.

Kerry

November 16th, 2010
9:58 pm

DHd.. Andruw is past his Fat Albert days.. He learned his lesson after almost being banished from baseball but has got himself back into shape and has had decent numbers in limited play the past 2 yrs.. I know he seems old but Andruw is only 33yrs old!! BOOYAH!!!

TruthSeeker

November 16th, 2010
9:59 pm

Najeh, usually I think you’re spot on in your analysis, but I wouldn’t call Uggla’s 2010 season an “outlier career season.” True, he did have a career-high OPS at .877, but it was a mere three points higher than his 2008 total. His slugging totals have been pretty consistent (.480, .479, .514, .459, .508).

With a guy like McLouth, it was fair to wonder if he was a one-year wonder. But with Uggla I think we pretty much know what we’re getting, which is a guy who’s going to hit 30 homers with an .800+ OPS.

Super G

November 16th, 2010
9:59 pm

Chipper needs to move to first base.

Fan since 1977

November 16th, 2010
10:00 pm

I’d still sign Diaz and Hinske for bench.

Agree re: Pendleton but he ain’t hitting coach no more. Thank God. He’s gonna steal his money holding shin guards at 1B.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 16th, 2010
10:02 pm

And for those of you trying to argue that Infante was a fluke last season, think again. Infante had the same OBP in 2010 as in 2009, and the same SLG last year as in 2008. Uggla on the other hand had an OPS last year that was 60 points higher than his last three seasons.

If anyone is likely to disappoint in this deal, it seems like Uggla, not Infante.

darrell starks

November 16th, 2010
10:03 pm

Good move braves but i still like infante.
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!

Braves Fan in Illinois

November 16th, 2010
10:03 pm

Great trade. Frank Wren continues to do an excellent job.

Frank Wren

November 16th, 2010
10:04 pm

To accomodate this move we plan on starting Chipper at SS. He did play that position in the minors.

LD

November 16th, 2010
10:04 pm

Oh great…another stocky player with no speed who strikes out a lot and doesn’t field his position well.

So thrilled.

darrell starks

November 16th, 2010
10:06 pm

Go get crawford 6year 100mill and the braves will be in business.
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!

JoJo the Godfather

November 16th, 2010
10:06 pm

Najeh…Omar’s OBP was lower than Uggla’s last year, and is lower than Uggla’s for their careers.

bo

November 16th, 2010
10:07 pm

just say no to Diaz………

RJB in DC

November 16th, 2010
10:08 pm

I know I am opening myself up to flames on this one, but I just am not sure why people view Hinske as being more valuable to the Braves than Diaz (under the circumstances). Both are arguably bench players who should do spot duty in the outfield or at first when necessary. Matt is far more effective against left handed pitching, and also serves as the “emergency catcher”. Because he can do this, we are one of the teams that doesn’t carry three catchers on the roster. And he is a year younger than Hinske. Sure, Hinske has more pop off the bat as a pinch hitter, but I can’t see him behind the dish.

Still, maybe it isn’t such a big deal anymore with the AAA club being 45 minutes up the interstate.

Joshua

November 16th, 2010
10:09 pm

Perhaps this is the piece that makes Liberty Media go “hmm with one big signing we could win a WS” and decide a Carl Crawford size investment could yield dividends.

We haven’t committed any money so far and have substantially improved. Sign Crawford. Even the Phillies would blanch at our lineup.

Hoosier Aaron

November 16th, 2010
10:09 pm

Highway robbery….plain and simple!

Not only do we have him now – he won’t kill us 18 times per year.

Seriously, that’s the best deal the Fish could get? Do they think they’re getting Adam Dunn instead of Mike?
Wow!

Ted Turner

November 16th, 2010
10:09 pm

Leave me out of this. I’m out of the baseball business. Do you know what kind of great s–t they grow out here in Montana. It’s groovy, man….

Infante for President

November 16th, 2010
10:10 pm

Well, last post under this moniker. Good trade, Wren. Really, a ridiculously good trade. I’ll miss Infante a lot, but when you can get a power hitter like Uggla… you’ve got to pull the trigger. No question.

Uggla for President? I don’t know. Doesn’t have quite the same ring…

Frank Wren

November 16th, 2010
10:12 pm

LD –

OK, d–khead, what would you have done?

Speedy Gonzalez ( Fredis cousin)

November 16th, 2010
10:14 pm

Chipper needs to be dropped to the 6 hole if he comes back with JHey in the 3 hole, Uggly hitting cleanup, McCann 5th, Larry 6th, & Gonzo 7th

hawaiibravefan

November 16th, 2010
10:14 pm

maybe when the marlins fall out of competition by the deadline, we can trade to get omar back! since he’s only going to be there for a year. btw whoever thinks that dunn is the best reliever for next year is crazy. did u forger kimbrel, venters, and possibly moylan? bwahahahahhaha

Britt

November 16th, 2010
10:14 pm

The great thing about free agency is that you dont have to lose any of your guys. Not sure why we trade Omar and Dunn for Uggla, when you can just sign a player like Uggla. OK, maybe not a power 2b but someone, and then adjust accordingly. That way we keep Omar. Questionable move, but go Braves.

Martin Prado

November 16th, 2010
10:15 pm

Left field my ass!! Nobody cleared that with me!! Anyone have Scott Boras’ number?

darrell starks

November 16th, 2010
10:17 pm

1.MCLOUTH CF
2.PRADO 3B
3.HEYWARD RF
4.UGGLA SECOND BASE
5.CRAWFORD CF
6.MCCANN CATHER
7.FREEMAN 1B
8.GONZALEZ SHORTSTOP
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!

Texas Frenchy

November 16th, 2010
10:17 pm

FW, dont sweat it, LD stands for little d***, so take it for what its worth, Uggla puts us right in the mix again, playoff baseball is back in the ATL!!!!!!!!!! nice job Frank

GarynpOH

November 16th, 2010
10:17 pm

wow its been hours since more news, is Wren on vacation now or what, and where are the proposals of a package deal of Hinske/diaz for Rasmus and quality minor league pitcher. too soon i guess, still must be buzzing over Uggla

Conway

November 16th, 2010
10:18 pm

Wish Chipper would retire! He is just showing up for the paychecks!

John Doe

November 16th, 2010
10:19 pm

Nice to see that Dan Uggla’s agent Terry Bross also represented Tom Glavine…

Scott Boras

November 16th, 2010
10:19 pm

1-800-GET-CASH

George

November 16th, 2010
10:19 pm

This trade sucks !!! Uggla might have a big bat, but he’s a definite liability in the field (can anyone say Brooks Conrad?) I remember Uggla’s performance in the All-Star game a couple of years ago. He made several errors in the field, and choked at least twice with a chance to drive in the winning run. The NL lost in extra innings. I also can’t believe Wrenn mentioned Conrad as a utility infielder. I don’t have a problem with Conrad as a pinch-hitter, but I think we all saw what he does defensively. Infante was one of the Braves most valuable players last year. I think we will rue the day this trade was made.

LD

November 16th, 2010
10:21 pm

I do have a little jimmy. How’d you know?

GTSteve

November 16th, 2010
10:22 pm

Darrell….you might want to move one of those guys over to left field

I Miss Skip

November 16th, 2010
10:23 pm

Now bag Delmon Young and look like a genius!

Frank Wren

November 16th, 2010
10:25 pm

George –

Step away from the crack pipe. We got a right handed power bat. Conrad only made this team because of his stick off the bench. No one expected him to start ANYWHERE during the playoffs. Don’t forget he was trying to replace an All-Star second baseman.

This was a good deal.

Frank Wren

November 16th, 2010
10:28 pm

ALL – we ain’t getting Crawford, Werth, Upton, Cliff Lee, Babe Ruth. or any other free agent not already on our team last year. Get over it.

Just The Facts

November 16th, 2010
10:29 pm

DOB……

Wonder what number Uggie will wear? He was 6 with the Fish. Braves web site has it as 6 on home page but not on the roster. Won’t 6 not be an option since Cox was 6?

Frank Wren

November 16th, 2010
10:31 pm

Anyone else before I go to bed, bEATches?? Bring your uninformed asses on!

It’s my team, and I’ll do what I want to….

Mark

November 16th, 2010
10:32 pm

Great move Frank.

One question, and maybe you can help with this DOB: if Uggla’s defense at 2nd is so questionable, why does he get the immediate nod at 2nd rather than Prado. Why not have Uggla in left?

LD

November 16th, 2010
10:37 pm

Frank,

Probably I’d keep the good infielders that I had, and instead go out and fill the gaping holes in the outfield with some players who had a little speed. Adding a 30 HR guy to a team that already potentially has 6 20 HR guys doesn’t seem like such a coup to me.

Texas Frenchy,

Maybe someday, if I’m really lucky, I can be as awesome as you.

Just The Facts

November 16th, 2010
10:37 pm

Mark – Prado has played LF in winter ball several times is why Uggla goes to 2B

The Real Brave

November 16th, 2010
10:38 pm

“We’re satisfied he’s here for one year.”-Wren
Here we go again!

cracked bats

November 16th, 2010
10:41 pm

I’m sick and tired of the Braves trading for “ONE YEAR RENTAL PLAYERS.”
My goodness Sign Uggla to a five year deal and be done with it!!! These one year things never work out!!!

Nate

November 16th, 2010
10:42 pm

Wow, how can some of you people not like this trade? We just got a RH 30+ HR 850+ OPS hitter for a utility player and our 3rd best LH bullpen arm. This trade SIGNIFICANTLY improves our team next year without giving up any of our core young players or top prospects. Sidenote: For those of you who think we’re going to sign Crawford, keep dreaming.

George

November 16th, 2010
10:46 pm

For all of you Uggla fans…check out his defensive stats…73 errors in 5 years. In the 2008 All-Star game, he was horrible…0-4 at the plate, three (3) errors in the field (cost the NL a win). Plus, he strikes out a lot. I would never have made this trade.

eskippy

November 16th, 2010
10:46 pm

I dreamed about Uggla last night

hAL

November 16th, 2010
10:49 pm

i wouldent mind them resighing ankiel at alll good glove good speed and a great arm in center

Just Wanna Say

November 16th, 2010
10:49 pm

Wren has made it clear he wants to sign him. Chill out folks. Uggla is in Mexico right now. He’s bee a brave for 5 hours. Calm down.

Leonard Parent

November 16th, 2010
10:50 pm

Like this a lot! An average defensive player who can hit vs one who can’t is a no brainer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paulie

November 16th, 2010
10:50 pm

It will be nice seeing some 3-run homers for a change. Finally our starters may have some runs to work with. Now maybe we can pick some speed.

JRW7

November 16th, 2010
10:50 pm

Just a thought, how about resigning Jeff F. to play RF and move Jason H. to CF?

Ralph

November 16th, 2010
10:51 pm

Unless we get a center fielder thst can hit, run, field and throw the Phillies will blow us away again. McLouse is a loser.

Wendy

November 16th, 2010
10:52 pm

Awesome job, Frankie! Couldn’t be happier. To those who want Upton and Crawford though, don’t get carried away. Uggla IS our big catch. He’s the turkey, now all Wren has to do is pick up the trimmings. I imagine this almost locks in Atlanta signing Eric Hinske. I’d like to see us go out and get a reliever (or best case scenario: talk Wags out of retirement), and go out and get one more piece for for the bench.

George

November 16th, 2010
10:53 pm

Yeah, Frank Wren, we got a right handed power bat, who can’t catch a cold in the field…has a .980 fielding average…strikes out 150 times a season. Yeah, that’s what we need alright.

JRW7

November 16th, 2010
10:54 pm

Great trade FW, Welcome to the ATLANTA BRAVES, DAN UGGLA!!!!!!!

Joe

November 16th, 2010
10:54 pm

That’s an absolute Steal because we get a legitimate 2nd baseman and we get to bring up a quality rookie reliever/bring in a veteran pitcher like Heath Bell to help Venters and Kimbrel close games.

Nate

November 16th, 2010
10:55 pm

For all of you non-Uggla fans… if you’ve watched the Braves at all the past few years, you know how dangerous this guy is at the plate. He single-handedly beat us more times than I can remember. His offensive output greatly offsets his defensive liability.

Matt the Brave

November 16th, 2010
10:57 pm

George, you fool, what power have we had in our lineup for the last four years? Nothing, that’s what. Uggla will more than make up in his bat than what he might miss in the field.

Jake

November 16th, 2010
10:57 pm

Uggla is a terrible second baseman. He’s got to play left field.

gcs

November 16th, 2010
11:02 pm

I am glad to have Uggla but if this turns into YET ANOTHER one year rent-a-player, I am gonna be peeved.

.

Wendy

November 16th, 2010
11:03 pm

Freeman hasn’t proven himself, Atlanta gave up “too much” in the deal.. what the hell are some of you smoking? Wren dealt from a position of STRENGTH- the bench and the ‘pen. Do you really think we’re going to go into the 2011 season with 3 count them 3 left handed relievers?

And yeah, Omar Infante is a super utility man but his high obp / avg is a bunch of singles. What this team NEEDS is power. Infante is far from the heart of this team.. ahem.. that would be players with the last names such as McCann, Hanson, Kimbrel, Heyward, etc.

Freeman hasn’t “proven” himself.. yeah.. true.. i mean he was named MVP of the 2009 AFL and knock out 18 bombers at a .319 clip for AAA Gwinnett. Yeah, he’s totally not proven himself. what the friggn’ Ell. Freeman has established(big word that means proven for the laymen) himself MORE than Heyward had.

Your starting 8 for ‘11:

1 Lf Prado
2 Rf Heyward
3 3b Jones
4 2b Uggla
5 C McCann
6 Ss Gonzalez
7 1b Freeman
8 Cf McLouth

George

November 16th, 2010
11:04 pm

Matt the Brave…time will tell who’s the “fool”. I’ve probably been a baseball fan longer than you’ve been alive, and a Braves fan since 1954 when they were in Milwaukee.

SF Braves Fan

November 16th, 2010
11:05 pm

I didn’t like the idea of picking up Uggla earlier, but obviously I didn’t anticipate us being able to get him for so little. The more I think about this trade, the happier I am.

dpelfrey

November 16th, 2010
11:06 pm

gcs,

“Another one year rental” is only a bad thing if you give up something significant. The Braves gave up a veteran utility guy and a project lefty reliever. Zero prospects….I repeat…zero prospects. Brilliant move.

Braves #17 Fan

November 16th, 2010
11:07 pm

Good job, Frank and Fredi. Welcome home, Dan. Get used to an average of 12,000 more fans for home games. Is Crawford next?

Fred's Barney

November 16th, 2010
11:08 pm

Dan Uggla struck out 49 more times than Troy Glaus last season. Nuff Said. But while I’m at it, in 2008 when Glaus actually played in more games than Uggla, Uggla struck out 67 more times. I’m just saying, if you got tired of Glaus leaving runners in scoring positon, Uggla is in another league!!

Wendy

November 16th, 2010
11:12 pm

What is with the whole “I’m older there for i’m the greater, more knowledgeable fan”. Just because you have been a fan of the braves since they were bean eating in boston doesn’t make you more knowledgeable or greater than a kid attending his first ball game.

That has to be the biggest self-imposed stereotype known to man “i’m older than you so therefore I’m smarter. I win”. What a crock

.

Fred's Barney

November 16th, 2010
11:13 pm

By the way, if power is such a necessity, how is it that the Giants won the World Series with Aubrey Huff as their big power bat? Yeah, Frank is a genius for signing Glaus instead of Huff . This is another McClouth, A.Gonzalez, Melky Cabrera, Troy Glaus, Derrick Lee, “genius” move by Frank Wren. Keep bringing in the sure bet “power solutions”. None of them have panned out yet!!

Wendy

November 16th, 2010
11:15 pm

1) Dan Uggla is en route to Mexico thus unavailable for extension talks.

2)An extension has by no means been ruled out by Frank Wren.

3)Omar Infante too is a free agent at the end of the 2011 season.

4)Unlike Infante, Uggla is a Type A so if he does indeed walk- we get compensation picks.

4A) Should Uggla walk, come on.. we essentially give up a BENCH player and a lefty reliever for a guy that has hit 30+ home runs the last four consecutive seasons and has a career .354 avg at Turner Field.

Win.. Win.. Win.. Win..oh yeah, WIN.

Tom

November 16th, 2010
11:17 pm

I am telling you our new utility will be Ed Lucas…we just signed him…He hit over 300 this year in triple A Omaha….

Wendy

November 16th, 2010
11:19 pm

@ Fred’s: Giants won with one thing- pitching pitching pitching.

What does Atlanta have? Pitching pitching pitching.

Now for me the dream scenario would be Billy Wagner putting off retirement for one more season. You hear that fat man in the red suit– I want Billy Wagner for Christmas!!

Uggla may strike out quite a bit but he also does something else– HITS HOMERUNS. I know. It’s been so long since Atlanta actually had a power threat and that thing called power is probably a little fuzzy in your memory.

Now.. if only we still had Hubbard around to work with uggs on defense. O.o

The Dude

November 16th, 2010
11:20 pm

If we can sign him to an extention…then great move. If not, we just put a band-aid on a gusher. Looks good on paper if it’s just not for one year.

kreedham

November 16th, 2010
11:22 pm

Suppose the Braves have asked Wagner not to officially retire? I say this because he might be willing to do a Roger Clemens type deal, not sign until late, not making him eligible until June (I think). Might be willing to play 2/3 of a season.

DDawg10

November 16th, 2010
11:22 pm

You are trading and all-star utility man and a pitching prospect who combine payroll might be $2.2 Mil for a second baseman making $10 Mil. are you telling me the DU production is 5 times what Omar’s is. Be honest, Chipper is done. It is hard to watching him play. He is an old 38. Why even consider bring him back and playing him at 3rd. And you are moving MP to Left. How many position dide you just weaken and increased you payroll doing it. This was a very bad move. Wren, you need outfielders and a shortstop. Please do your job.

Chris

November 16th, 2010
11:23 pm

He better hit 30HR’s to make up for all the errors. Heyward is going to be having flashbacks of Conrad playing 2nd and having to field all those ground balls rolling through his legs. I hope the Braves aren’t done….I hope the will go after a BJ Upton or someone to play center that can be a true leadoff guy and steal some bases.

Wren 4 President

November 16th, 2010
11:25 pm

Dan Uggla boosts this team up to the 95 win range

Phillie loses out on Werth– the NL East Pennant will be back in Atlanta come 2011.

Peter

November 16th, 2010
11:27 pm

Rent a player continues with Wren. He will be here one year and gone for Big money with another team.

Did any not read the article about the CEO of the Braves organization, he personally made more than the entire Braves payroll last year ? He is not giving up his money and there are share holders to appease.

If he some how bombs this year…or gets hurt……. this IS crazy.

Remember….. he personally wants a 5 year deal at 14.2 million a year, or 71 million and the Braves will NEVER give him that !

We lost a great young pitcher, and Infante, who was a really great team player.

We win the World Series Great trade, we don’t stupid as HELL !

AdirondackDave

November 16th, 2010
11:30 pm

I too will miss Infante. Not to worry though, one year with the Marlins and the Braves may have the opportunity to re-sign him after the ‘11 season when he’s a free agent.

Wendy

November 16th, 2010
11:30 pm

We need a shortstop? uhm.. Alex Gonzalez?

Dan Uggla has “insurance policy” written all over him. Chipper goes down, Prado goes to 3rd, Hinske to left until a more permanent solution presents itself.

2.2 million on a bench player and a reliever that did not win us the pennant, that did not get us past the first round of the playoffs.

Only idiots do the same thing over expecting a different outcome.

ckgator

November 16th, 2010
11:31 pm

It may not feel like it now, but we just sold the farm for an old mule. Not a good move.

ckgator

November 16th, 2010
11:33 pm

You cannot beat Infante’s versatility. Defensively he will be tough to replace. Plus tossing in Dunn?

As happy as we feel, Marlin fans must be ecstatic (all 3 of them).

Wendy

November 16th, 2010
11:38 pm

How is Omar Infante and Michael Dunn “selling the farm” ?!

I fail to see how 2 players (not prospects) is “selling the farm”.

Owl Hunter

November 16th, 2010
11:44 pm

I swear that some of you started following baseball last week. I love Omar, but I’d trade three Omars for Uggla. You are a complete idiot if you think we sold the farm, a super utility is more important than a top shelf power threat, and Uggla’s strikeouts are a big deal. Power hitters strike out alot. It happens. Seriously, where do some of you people spew this trash from? Educate yourself. We just had our way with the Marlins. Enjoy it.

Dick Army

November 16th, 2010
11:45 pm

No way you can compare to the mclouth trade

nate was only good for one year and that was ‘08
unless you think batting .260 or lower is good enough..

Owl Hunter

November 16th, 2010
11:46 pm

Are any of you even going to remember Michael Dunn in two years? No offense, Mr. Dunn.

AdirondackDave

November 16th, 2010
11:46 pm

CKgator — With Ventors and O’Flaherty ahead of him, Dunn would likely spend as much or more time in Gwinnett than Atlanta.

Owl Hunter

November 16th, 2010
11:47 pm

If you compare this to the Tex trade, please jump off of a bridge before you decide to breed.

dpelfrey

November 16th, 2010
11:47 pm

DDawg10…

You are wrong. The Braves needed a right handed power hitter, and that is exactly what they got. Oh, and they did it without trading Minor, Teheran or Delgado. Suck it….suck it.

I’m sorry, I’m not usually this mad about posters, but the stupidity I see on this blog about this trade is really bothering me on a personal level.

PEOPLE, WREN TRADED A REPLACEABLE UTILITY GUY AND A LEFTY PROJECT PITCHER FOR A PROVEN 30-HOMER, 100-RBI GUY!!! WHAT THE HECK….WHY IS EVERYONE NOT ECSTATIC.

David O'Brien

November 16th, 2010
11:47 pm

You cannot beat Infante’s versatility. Defensively he will be tough to replace. Plus tossing in Dunn?

As happy as we feel, Marlin fans must be ecstatic — ckgator

I really hope you’re kidding. No, really. I hope you really don’t believe Marlins fans are happy with this trade.

Peter

November 16th, 2010
11:50 pm

Uggla had 18 errors last year, the combination of Infante, Conrad, and Prado had 14 during the season………..so add the 4 to the impressive 126 we made as a team, and we would lead the league in errors.

Uggla has 73 in 5 seasons and his defense is NOT getting any better.

Add a healthy Chipper at third, Gonzalez at short, and Uggla at second………. the Braves now have easily the most pour-is of infields in either league.

Add the strike out totals for Dan……149…….wow the errors and strikeouts are going to kill the pitching.

Sorry I don’t like the trade.

Owl Hunter

November 16th, 2010
11:51 pm

dpelfrey

I’m with you, man. I’m not a hateful person, but the ignorance here is suffocating! Are they watching the same sport that we are? We just solved a two year old problem without giving up a prospect. I hope they all find their own planet where they can eat fleas off of each other’s backs all day long.

Owl Hunter

November 16th, 2010
11:52 pm

If I were a Marlins fan, I’d have killed myself three times by now.

Owl Hunter

November 16th, 2010
11:53 pm

Peter

What would you do for a bat instead?

a

November 16th, 2010
11:53 pm

DOB, how much do you think Uggla’s Type A status had to do with this? Knowing we could lose either Infante or Uggla after 2011, is Wren looking ahead by at least safe guarding with a draft pick if we can’t re-sign Uggla?

Or, even better, do you think they’re serious about signing him long term?

This is a great, great trade for the Braves.

David O'Brien

November 16th, 2010
11:55 pm

This was a very bad move. Wren, you need outfielders and a shortstop. Please do your job. — DDawg10

I’m speechless reading some of these comments. Absolutely speechless.

Why don’t you check around baseball, see what national writers are saying about this trade, DDawg.

“Please do your job,” you say. On a day when Wren basically fleeced the Marlins, according to anybody and everybody I talked to at the meetings today, every single writer who stopped by the table where I was working along with two Florida writers I know from my days covering Marlins.

Some of you, seriously, cannot be pleased. Can not. Regardless of what the Braves do. They just traded for the only second baseman in history to have 150 homers in his first five seasons, the only second baseman to have four consecutive seasons of 30 or more homers, a guy coming off a career-best season, at age 30.

They gave up a versatile veteran infielder who’ll be a free agent after the 2011 season, and a left-hander who would have been the No. 3 lefty in the Braves’ bullpen behind Venters and O’Flaherty.

You don’t see many trades with a more clear-cut winner than this one.

Owl Hunter

November 16th, 2010
11:55 pm

a

Wren said that they are going to explore an extension, but they want Uggla to get settled into the team before talks officially start. It think we have a good chance of keeping him.

Rumblekat

November 16th, 2010
11:56 pm

Good deal for the Braves. I’m perhaps happiest for Omar. He was going to have to go back to being a platoon player again. He deserves to be a starter. This way, he will hopefully be the Marlins everyday second baseman. Will miss him. But, those 100 extra whiffs Uggla brings to the middle of the lineup will also bring 20+ more homeruns and quite a few more RBIs to the middle of the lineup!

dpelfrey

November 16th, 2010
11:56 pm

Amen Owl Hunter…

They are not watching the same sport. The sport they watch has Omar Infante being equal to Derek Jeter or something. This was a steal of trade and anyone who can’t see that doesn’t have any real baseball knowledge. I haven’t been this excited since the Tim Hudson trade for Dan Meyer and Chuckie Thomas.

Owl Hunter

November 16th, 2010
11:57 pm

DOB

Everything you just said should be carved into the side of Stone Mountain.

jwdavis88

November 16th, 2010
11:58 pm

DOB do you think the braves will still go after a top end center fielder either through trade or free agency such as ellsbury,kemp or one of the diamond backs outfieders chris young or justin upton

dpelfrey

November 16th, 2010
11:59 pm

DOB…I second your comment “Absolutely speechless.”

I came here tonight ready to revel with all the other posters in this trade, only to come on here and discover that half the people are pissed. Absolutely speechless.

Owl Hunter

November 16th, 2010
11:59 pm

Larry Beinfest looked like a broken man on MLB Network earlier this evening.

a

November 16th, 2010
11:59 pm

haha, agreed owl hunter. replace the carving with the gospel of DOB!

a

November 17th, 2010
12:01 am

the only way wren can be faulted for this trade is that he may be one day arrested for shattering larry beinfest’s soul and costing him his job. but hey…i’ll take it.

AdirondackDave

November 17th, 2010
12:04 am

Peter — Your scenario isn’t entirely without merit.. well, not entirely. You somehow have forgotten to mention the Uggla flip-side and that would be 30+ homers and 100 RBIs. Guess those won’t win any games?

Owl Hunter

November 17th, 2010
12:04 am

DOB shouldn’t have had to say any of that. Wren’s mugshot should be online soon, because he straight up burglarized the Marlins. I’ve been back and forth on Wren during his tenure, but this was a work of art.

Peter

November 17th, 2010
12:04 am

Hey Owl Hunter..

We needed an out fielder, both left and center……we needed speed, we just traded the lead off guy twice now…….

Infante batted 320 plus, and was solid……..Dunn was throwing 98 mph, had an era under 2……both are young, and can get better.

Also please…… Hayward is not really as good as Frenchy was in right. So putting him in center is a joke.

Our fielding which sucked, just got worse.

Add 149 strikeouts a year, and the 71 million he wants for 5 years, and we traded for a rent a year player.

MDBraveFan

November 17th, 2010
12:04 am

I will miss Omar.Thanks for a great 2010 in a Braves uni. Not sure about Uggla at second though. Prado should play 2d and Uggla in the outfield.

MDBraveFan

November 17th, 2010
12:05 am

Oh, great trade though but I hope Wren isn’t done. We need to get rid of McOut or at least have a back up in case he starts sucking it up again like this year.

Owl Hunter

November 17th, 2010
12:06 am

The Marlins just became the Redskins of baseball. Minus the history, and large fanbase, that is. I truly feel for their handful of true fans.

dpelfrey

November 17th, 2010
12:06 am

DOB…

Have you ever seen more fickled fans than what you see on this blog tonight. Just curious, cause it’s pissing me off reading all these comments.

Peter

November 17th, 2010
12:09 am

Yes AdirondackDave…….the bat is what is the draw…..any at bat he can produce, or strike out.

Hopefully he produces in the games that matter, not the 8 to 10 run blow outs.

Then again look at the roster……instead of getting younger and faster, we are getting older and slower.

I still maintain like Tex, and others before him, he will be a rent a year player, and messed with a position we didn’t need to mess with.

carlchamblee

November 17th, 2010
12:10 am

haha DOB, you follow up your “I’m speechless” remark with a 5 paragraph tirade. Hardly speechless!

For me it’s a good upgrade offensively of course, but not as clear cut as you say when all things are considered, especially with the trumpeting of Uggla as replacing Prado at 2b and pushing Martin to LF.

Do you not remember in the very past that poor defense absolutely bludgeoned the Braves? So now you downgrade defensively at a very important IF position and put an experiment in OF where we also have major issues catching and throwing?

Defense wins and loses games especially in crunch time when the scores are close and the pressure on. How the Braves braintrust can seemingly ignore that after the disaster that was the 2010 Braves defense is beyond me. Of course they fell in love with A Gonzales HR totals too and he proceeded to kick the ball around for 3 months.

Owl Hunter

November 17th, 2010
12:10 am

Hey Peter

Infante is only an everyday player when guys get hurt. Dunn has serious control problems, and we still have about 20 LH relievers. Uggla has his faults, no doubt, but this team has improved.

Who said anything about Heyward in center?

Did you just extol the virtues of Jeff Francouer?!? Defense is important, but hitting is still a part of the game.

By the way, you never answered my question. Who is your solution?

Jimmy Beam, you are my friend

November 17th, 2010
12:11 am

Come on DOB, don’t mince words (your 11:55pm)! Tell us how you really feel!

Excellent. Great job, and I mean that sincerely.

dpelfrey

November 17th, 2010
12:11 am

Peter, I don’t intend to be mean, but you must not have watched the Braves before last year.

The rent a player thing only works if you actually give something up for it. I repeat, we gave up a veteran journeyman utility player and a project lefty pitcher that would at best be a situational guy for a proven 30-homer, 100-RBI guy. What the heck, people, can anything make you happy?

Peter

November 17th, 2010
12:13 am

OK David O’Brien…if he is here for one year only is this a great trade ? Then we will need a 2nd baseman and two out fielders.

You don’t think we could have found a guy with similar talents in the out field and paid him 10 million a year ?

And maybe some SPEED ?

Owl Hunter

November 17th, 2010
12:14 am

I’m also really sick of the 6-7 guys who COULD hit 20 hrs argument. That never happens for us.

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
12:15 am

depelfrey: That’s the most wacked-out part of the criticism found on this blog — that the Braves somehow mortgaged the future for a rental player. I guess some here must be convinced Mike Dunn is destined to be the next Adam Wainwright or Neftali Feliz? What, should the Braves have refused to part with him, along with Teheran, Hanson, et al? Apparently the Braves should have been able to get Uggla for Barbaro Canizares and James Parr?

AdirondackDave

November 17th, 2010
12:15 am

I’m probably forgetting somebody, but isn’t Uggla the best power hitter the Braves have traded for since Sheffield and wasn’t that nearly a decade ago. I’ll take Uggla over J. D. Drew any day of the week and twice on Sunday (even considering JD had his career year with us).

Maybe the best reason to be excited about this is Uggla has hit over .350 at Turner Field, as DOB said… And one more thought. I like the idea of playing the Marlins next year WITHOUT Dan Uggla in the middle of THEIR lineup!

carlchamblee

November 17th, 2010
12:15 am

The veteran journeyman utility guy hit 320 as a starter this past year. So let’s not crap on Omar to pump up Uggla. And we already have an allstar 2b who is a lot better defensively. Defense wins and loses games has everyone forgotten 2010 season already?

Happy to have Uggla’s bat but screwing up 2 positions on an already swiss cheese D is reckless.

dpelfrey

November 17th, 2010
12:16 am

Peter, WTF!!!!!

Hell yes, this is a great trade, even if he’s only here for a year. I repeat again, for the third time, we gave up a veteran journeyman utility player and a project lefty reliever. What more needs to be said. Hell yes, I would pay that for one year of Uggla. Hell yes!!!!!

Peter

November 17th, 2010
12:16 am

Hey dpelfrey….I have been watching Bobby ball which is having players that look like a weekend softball team play for years. He fits right in. No team Speed wait for the bomb.

And wow the Errors killed us in so many close games last year……..do you think we are going to win 24 games in the last at bat this coming season ?

Dick Army

November 17th, 2010
12:17 am

Peter

Dunn only had an ERA under 2 because….he only pitched 19 INNINGS!

& its hEyward

so then i guess you wouldnt want Ryan Howard or A-rod since they strike out a lot huh….
who do you want then?

John

November 17th, 2010
12:17 am

Tell em DOB!!! Ignorant A holes are what the haters are! Yes our defense is not up to par but neither was our offense and we made it to the playoffs. Now we have a major power threat with about the same level of defense that we have had in the past. We also move Prado into left which he KNOWS how to play and that solves the problem in the outfield. Now lets hope we can sign Uggla to an extension and get Hinske back and we will be a HELL of a team next year!

Owl Hunter

November 17th, 2010
12:17 am

Peter

Even if he leaves, we still get two draft picks. I’m still waiting for you to bring an actual IDEA to the table since you know so much more than Wren, DOB, the entire baseball media, an any fan with half a brain. Who’s your perfect-fielding, affordable, 30-100 guy that will make everything wonderful?

Owl Hunter

November 17th, 2010
12:19 am

Oh yeah, and all we did was add 30-100 to a 90 WIN TEAM!

Peter

November 17th, 2010
12:20 am

Sorry dpelfrey……. the one year deal sucks in my boat, and we have a terrible outfield, if we spent 10 Million on a center fielder or left fielder with speed and power, I would be a happy camper.

We have a sad defensive infield as it is……and it just got worse……..this is like playing Brooks Conrad everyday at second.

Dick Army

November 17th, 2010
12:20 am

Do you really think we’re gonna have 100+ errors again?

Peter

November 17th, 2010
12:21 am

Owl Hunter…..take away the Miracle 24 plus wins in the last at bat and we are a 3rd place team, with maybe 80 wins.

Dick Army

November 17th, 2010
12:22 am

Peter, how would the braves need a 2nd basemen next year if uggla leaves… did you already forget about PRADO?

carlchamblee

November 17th, 2010
12:22 am

Aholes, wacked out, haters. And this frothing at the mouth group think egged by the AJC blogger himself.

Pardon a few fans for remembering the recent past where defense KILLED the Braves and a short term trade (Tex) did nothing but put the Texas Rangers in their first ever WS.

But God forbid opposing views get treated w respect and an open mind. Let’s just all praise the almighty homerun

dpelfrey

November 17th, 2010
12:22 am

Peter,

You’re right. Bobby ball sucked. Being in the postseason 15 out of 19 years was just brutal, wasn’t it? I’m convinced you have never played an inning of baseball, because if you had, you would know more than this. And no, I don’t think they will have 24 last at-bat wins this year. I think they’ll scored more runs early in the game and won’t have to come back, especially with this pitching staff.

Peter is a Troll

November 17th, 2010
12:23 am

well in that case, take away the miracle wins in the last at bat for EVERY team and see what happens…

Peter

November 17th, 2010
12:23 am

Hey Dick Army…….how does the fielding get better when you bring in a guy who averages 15 errors a season ? The Braves made 126 errors last year 127 lead the league.

Who is getting better …Chipper ? Gonzalez ? UGGLA ? These guys all going to win Gold Gloves ?

Flo-Ri-Duh!

November 17th, 2010
12:24 am

This smells like a Texiera fiasco. Why trade away the future for a one year player? I would not have made the trade unless Uggla agreed to a 3 year contract. He is 30 and should be good for 3 years. Infante is a lot to give up and 3rd base is still undecided- as well as the outfield.

Owl Hunter

November 17th, 2010
12:25 am

Peter

Guess what? We actually won 90 games in real life. I don’t know what happened in your magic land where exceptional hitters with no errors or Ks just rain from the sky and into the dugout, but here on Earth, the Braves won 90. Why bother pontificating like that? You still have yet to offer any kind of real solution, or even name one player that you think fits. You got nothing.

dpelfrey

November 17th, 2010
12:25 am

carlchamblee…

That’s just silly. This is nowhere close to the Tex trade. Unless Omar starts taking massive steroids and turns into the next Marquis Grissom (in the latter Giants years) and Mike Dunn somehow turns into the next Billy Wagner (highly unlikely, if not impossible). Other than that, your argument is pretty sound.

shmoe

November 17th, 2010
12:25 am

i’m lovin it. lovin lovin lovin lovin it. we get some slugg back in atl

TNScott

November 17th, 2010
12:26 am

**DOB** Just goes to show you, that some people will find a cloud in every silver lining.

shmoe

November 17th, 2010
12:26 am

these people that hate the trade are mets or phillies fans. end of story

escoBEAST

November 17th, 2010
12:26 am

I don’t understand why people are so upset that we traded for Uggla. We just got one of the top home run hitters in the nl and type A draft picks at the end of the year, for 1yr left of infante and a good but replaceable relief pitcher. does this team still have problems….Yes? we don’t have speed and the defense is week, but we just solved some of the power problems. the only way your going to get all three of those things fixed is 120mil to Crawford and the only way that could happen is if chip retires. RETIRE CHIPPER! PLEASE!!

Peter is a Troll

November 17th, 2010
12:27 am

Flo-Ri-Duh!

who is the future?
infante… who is a free agent next season??
dunn, who has only a small sample size of 19 innings with the braves??

shmoe

November 17th, 2010
12:27 am

i’m hearing a ton of chatter on various boards about getting one of the uptons

Peter

November 17th, 2010
12:28 am

No other team in baseball had more than 10 miracle last at bat wins…..can any other person think of a year that the Braves had 15 big last at bat wins ?

I think Frank Wren sucks…he was run out of Baltimore, and we haven’t won a playoff series yet here with him at the helm.

He traded away a good team last year, and now we will see what happens to this group, minus a closer and two out field positions.

kaminari

November 17th, 2010
12:28 am

It seems like Uggla likes ATL especially the Ted. I wonder what if we held onto Infante and got Uggla in free agency next year. Only time will tell, but as good as it looks now we have to realize we gave up a great player and a young gun for what could be a one-year rental.

Owl Hunter

November 17th, 2010
12:29 am

I gotta go. The ignorance is killing me. Have a great night dpelfrey and DOB.

This trade is a WIN, and that’s it!

Owl Hunter

November 17th, 2010
12:30 am

Peter

Tell the nurse to up the meds, and go to bed.

Peter is a Troll

November 17th, 2010
12:31 am

Peter

they had 25 last AB wins in 1995

the phillies had about 20 something this season
plenty of other teams in the 17-20 range

carlchamblee

November 17th, 2010
12:31 am

“Do you really think we’re gonna have 100+ errors again?” – D Army

With Uggla at 2b, AGonzo at SS, and Chipper at 3b you are already more than halfway there. Throw in
BMacs league leading errors and a question mark outfield and you tell me how 100 errors will NOT happen.

Peter

November 17th, 2010
12:32 am

Honestly Owl Hunter……football has my attention…….I was shocked to see the Falcon’s as the number one team in ESPN’s Power ranking today.

I don’t know who is available….out there now……but renting players has never worked out for the Braves….and I know the defense was the undoing of many games this year including the playoff losses.

Peter

November 17th, 2010
12:33 am

Hey Owl Hunter…..remember the meds when you watch the Braves this year.

Peter is a Troll

November 17th, 2010
12:34 am

all those errors this year, yet STILL made the playoffs

errors arent the only reason the braves lost in the playoffs
maybe if they would’ve scored some runs those errors wouldnt have mattered.

Owl Hunter

November 17th, 2010
12:34 am

Peter
well then i guess you wont be watching the braves this year…. since you’re not even a fan

Peter

November 17th, 2010
12:36 am

But the errors did cost them…….and you all want Bobby ball to continue…..slow boring baseball……no team speed……and you get Uggla’s 149 K as well with the power assuming he is healthy all year.

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
12:37 am

But God forbid opposing views get treated w respect and an open mind. Let’s just all praise the almighty homerun — carlchamblee

Actually, I like the fact that Uggla has OBPs of .369, .354 and .360 the past three seasons, an .837 career OPS that includes .877 in 2010 and .874 in 2008, and totals of 499 runs and 465 RBIs in five seasons.

Peter

November 17th, 2010
12:37 am

I have been to two World series Braves games, and many more…….sorry I am not a fan of Wren or his moves in general.

carlchamblee

November 17th, 2010
12:38 am

dpelfrey in you sarcasm i see you failed to address my main points about defense because you got nothing. Instead you took my reference to the Teixeira trade (which wasn’t even literally comparing this trade to) and got all puffy.

Our horrible defense just got shakier at two positions. That’s silly to ya?

Peter

November 17th, 2010
12:38 am

Sorry I am not a fan of WREN……the Braves are the home team, and I want them to win.

RichieRich86

November 17th, 2010
12:44 am

Do any of yal posters do any research? Prado isn’t an experiment in LF. He plays there regularly in winter ball. I’m embarassing some of yal are Braves fans. Yal are clueless This was an awesome trade for us.

carlchamblee

November 17th, 2010
12:45 am

DOB I like his offense too. But you don’t move a better fielding second baseman (who is also Allstar and can hit very well) and weaken two positions defensively on a team where the defense was an utter wreck.

You left out Uggla’s other big numbers – his league leading errors at 2b and ever declining fielding %.

If you wanna only screw up one defensive position – put HIM in LF and enjoy his bat.

Second base is very important to the pitchers, Ask Brooks Conrad.

RichieRich86

November 17th, 2010
12:46 am

Peter, you are clueless. Go to a GT blog or something.

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
12:47 am

jwdavis88: No. By all indications, this was the Braves’ big move. Wren said they’ll focus on smaller pieces now, like the bench and bullpen. I think Hinske is at least 50-50 to get re-signed, and maybe Diaz, too. I’d be surprised if at least one of them isn’t brought back.

RichieRich86

November 17th, 2010
12:48 am

carlchamblee,

Please enlighten us where your getting this information Prado is a liablity in LF? Do you go watch him in winter ball when that’s his primary position?

RichieRich86

November 17th, 2010
12:50 am

We need Hinske back bad. The guy is a winner he gives his all and is really good off the bench. I wouldn’t mind starting him in LF if we didn’t make this trade. I still don’t understand why he didn’t start in RF for the Rays in 08′ over Gabe Gross. Hinske is a ball player man!

carlchamblee

November 17th, 2010
12:52 am

RichieRich show us dummies your research where Prado played LF *regularly* in winter ball. Don’t just read one line from the trade article that makes a passing reference to him playing some there.

Did he play real well defensively there? Do you have numbers to back it up? Enlighten us with your in depth research please.

And while you’re at it look up Uggla’s defense at 2b

Bobby's Cox

November 17th, 2010
12:54 am

Apparently the Marlins were waiting until Nov 16 to give “6″ a going away party…

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
12:54 am

DOB I like his offense too. But you don’t move a better fielding second baseman (who is also Allstar and can hit very well) and weaken two positions defensively on a team where the defense was an utter wreck. — Carlchamblee

How are they worse in LF with Prado than with Melky/Diaz/Hinske? I think they’re probably better.

They are worse defensively at 2B, but better at 1B with Freeman, which should help some.

The Braves talked to Carlos Tosca (new Braves bench coach, former Marlins bench coach) and Fredi about Uggla’s defense, and both said it wasn’t a negative to the degree that some have described. If both watched him for every game several years and believe it’s not a major detriment, shouldn’t that opinion count? I mean, it’s Fredi’s job, right? His team. Or should we just read the error totals and go with that?

John

November 17th, 2010
12:56 am

I guess some people will NEVER be satisfied! Wren pulled off what is going to be the best deal of the year and people are whining. I think we need to order up some cheese for these whiners.

We just traded a rookie lefty reliever who was THIRD on the LEFTY reliever depth chart…who pitched less than 20 innings in the bigs last year AND a super utility player that hasnt had a starting job out of opening day in what…..FOUR years. Oops…..I almost forgot that Omar is ALSO a free agent after this next season!

What did we get in return?? An All Star 2nd baseman who hits for power AND for a high average. So what if we dont sign him long term! Hes a Type A so that will give us two draft picks! What about Prado you ask?? Well he will be moved to left field…..which is what I call killing two birds with one stone!

Frank Wren 1……HATERS 0

GloryDays

November 17th, 2010
12:57 am

Just for fun take at look at this
Player 1 Player 2
Avg. .284 .287
HR 26 33
RBI 71 105
Runs 93 100
BB 79 78
SB 13 4
OBP .370 .369
SLG .496 .508
Fielding% .988 .976
Salary 2.3M 7.8M

Seems to me that player 1 and player 2 are fairly similar with the biggest differences being RBIs for player 2 and SB fro player 1. The other big difference is salary.

carlchamblee

November 17th, 2010
12:57 am

Prado’s played 3 games in LF in his MLB career. All in 2008. Perhaps not even the whole game in those.

So yes it’s experimental. so make Uggla the experiment since he stinks defensively at 2b and Prado is fine there.

2b is a very important position defensively. That no one seems to care about that so soon after Conrad in the playoffs is amazing.

RichieRich86

November 17th, 2010
12:58 am

Actually DOB, posted it in this blog that he plays LF in winterball and it was also on ESPN. What more research do you need that he played LF in winterball? and I agree uggla’s defense isn’t great but he can’t be worse than Conrad. We just got the best hitting 2nd basemen in the league for a super utilty player and a 3 lefty reliever in our bullpen? What can’t you like about that trade?

Seth

November 17th, 2010
12:59 am

This is one heck of a job by Wren to bolster our power! When do pitchers and catchers report? I’m ready for the 2011 campaign to get under way! Our lineup will be absolutely sick if Chipper can get back to 100% and Uggla continues to TORCH pitching @ Turner Field! He seems to have a knack for hitting well in our ballpark, now HIS ballpark as well! As with everyone, I hate seeing Omar go, but if Uggla can hit 30+ HRs for us and we can re-sign him then this a an amazing deal! Our bullpen is still very solid and you have to give up something to get better and that WREN DID! Great job Frank! Very happy with the start to the off-season! Look out Phillies!

Bobby's Cox

November 17th, 2010
12:59 am

I wouldn’t call Prado a regular in LF in Winter Ball. If my recollection is accurate, he played maybe 15 or so games last season in Winter ball & that many or less the year before… I do however want to mention that Martin did so on his own because he knew the braves were weak in the OF, and with RH bats. Dude is such a team guy. Let’s give him an extension soon….

Myke Hawk

November 17th, 2010
12:59 am

colby rasmus 148 k’s
justin upton 152 k’s
jayson werth 147 k’s
jason heyward 128 K’s
Dan Uggla 149 K’s
Matt Kemp 170 K’s

Using Uggla’s K total from this season as a negative is just flat out stupid

RichieRich86

November 17th, 2010
1:00 am

GloryDays,

Who are the two players?

RichieRich86

November 17th, 2010
1:02 am

Bobbycox,

I agree we need to sign prado to an extention and uggla for that matter asap!

Myke Hawk

November 17th, 2010
1:03 am

and using Uggla’s error total he had 18
INFANTE had 16

miguel cabrera had 13, but i guess you wouldnt want him since he commits errors

carlchamblee

November 17th, 2010
1:06 am

DOB saying “it wasn’t a negative to the degree that some have described” is hardly praise.

I wouldn’t expect the manager to say his defense stinks would you?

Sorry I’m just an ignorant fan – I should ignore not just stats but all the games I’ve watched and surrender my opinion to the organization’s spin at all times. That’s so much more fun!

Good point about LF – we weren’t great shakes there anyway. I’d rather keep the better 2b where he is and take a flyer in an already weak OF position on Uggla.

GloryDays

November 17th, 2010
1:06 am

Uggla and Kelly Johnson

Bobby's Cox

November 17th, 2010
1:07 am

DOB,

How is Prado’s injury progressing? He was supposed to have no activity for 2 months and we’re just about at that 2-month mark. I know you have other things on your plate, & this may be a little premature, but any word?

iTiSi

November 17th, 2010
1:08 am

This deal just made a lot of people in TN happy. They may not realize it but this will increase attendance figures. Uggie has a lot of family, friends, and fans in his home state and they will drive to ATL, whereas Miami was way too far.

Ron Hyatt

November 17th, 2010
1:09 am

2011 will be the year the wheels fall off Dan Uggla.

alcoholic

November 17th, 2010
1:10 am

I’ll gladly take the path of the devil. i’m not drinking that wine

carlchamblee

November 17th, 2010
1:10 am

Rich – I welcome Uggla’s bat. I hate his defense. Our defense already stinks. The middle defense especially (2b, SS, CF) is vital for a team to succeed. Being better than Brooks Conrad is like being less evil than Satan. Who isn’t?

Bobby's Cox

November 17th, 2010
1:11 am

We’re probably waiting to see what we can do to get rid of the Kawakami dilemma, and maybe the McLouth fiasco, before we start contract negotiations with Uggla. Either way, I’m sure they’ll do a prorated deal until after Chipper’s salary is off the books. If Chipper retires early, we can then sign another player to a front loaded deal.

Bobby's Cox

November 17th, 2010
1:15 am

One thing that’s not talked about: think about the improvement in Uggla’s stats playing in front of a home crowd. You’d think that will increase his production…

Harry from da Burn

November 17th, 2010
1:17 am

Oh thank God, Infrante. For a second there I thought we gave up Infante for a clownfish.

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
1:18 am

I wouldn’t expect the manager to say his defense stinks would you? — carlchamblee

No, but if the manager believed it was as big a problem as you do, I’d expect him to tell the GM when the GM called him today to ask Gonzalez whether he’d do the deal. Or do you think the manager doesn’t want to have as good a team as possible, or doesn’t know the personnel involved as well as you do?

In Wren We Trust

November 17th, 2010
1:24 am

Anyone who says they don’t like Wren’s trades in reference to this deal is inherently stupid. In one of his first deals as Braves GM in 2007, he acquired a guy named Omar Infante, along with Will Ohman, for the then-future star, Jose Ascanio. Yes, two major leaguers for a guy who’s since pitched in 22 games in the majors, covering 40.2 innings with an ERA around 5.00. Last offseason, Wren acquired a stud pitching prospect, Arodys Vizcaino, along with Melky Cabrera and Mike Dunn for Javier Vazquez and Boone Logan. Argue what you may about Vazquez, but he had an awful season in pinstripes, while Logan very good in relief. Vizcaino still has to pan out, but the point being he was the headliner of the deal, while Melky was next in line and Dunn was the least-known and appreciated part of the deal. So, Wren, who acquired both Omar and Dunn for relatively little, now flips the two of them to Florida for a guy who’s averaged 31 HR and 93 RBI over the last five years and is a model of consistency (low HR – 27, high HR – 33, low RBI – 88, high RBI – 105). Long story short, to anyone who says they don’t like Wren’s deals in reference to this deal – you forfeit the right speak on the topic, as only Wren’s past deals made this deal possible. And, I for one, believe this is yet another in a long line of very good deals by Frank Wren – Jurrjens for Renteria, Omar and Ohman for Ascanio, etc. And for those of you who belittle the McLouth deal, what great payoff have the Pirates enjoyed? Do you want Charlie Morton, he of the 7.57 ERA in 17 starts in 2010, back? While both just 23, Jeff Locke and Gorkys Hernandez haven’t made it past AA yet. Some of you really need to get a clue.

I Miss Ted Turner

November 17th, 2010
1:30 am

I like this deal.

RichieRich86

November 17th, 2010
1:30 am

In Wren We Trust,

Thank you so much for posting that. I feel like I’m talking to women that think they know about baseball.

Edgar

November 17th, 2010
1:31 am

Wait, so we’re supposed to be excited about the 1-year rental of a career .260 hitter who averages 160 strikeouts per season? And we gave up a younger, better-fielding middle infielder (who was also an All-Star last year) who barely ever strikes out, along with a potential bullpen ace? And we still have a glaring hole in the outfield and we’ve split up the Venezuelan connection? And we’re moving our All-Star second baseman to left to fill one of two outfield holes?

What am I missing? I mean, 30 homers is nice and all, but a .260 hitter who has been 10th, 6th, 3rd, 2nd in the National League in strikeouts over the past four seasons? Hey Frank Wren, was Adam LaRouche unavailable? Jeff Francouer too costly? Because Uggla is essentially a right handed LaRouche.

oldandntheway

November 17th, 2010
1:38 am

And the president of the company that owns the Braves, makes more per year than the total salary for the team. Great job if you can get it.

GloryDays

November 17th, 2010
1:39 am

If you know so much how come you can’t spell LaRoche

carlchamblee

November 17th, 2010
1:39 am

“No, but if the manager believed it was as big a problem as you do, I’d expect him to tell the GM when the GM called him today to ask Gonzalez whether he’d do the deal. Or do you think the manager doesn’t want to have as good a team as possible, or doesn’t know the personnel involved as well as you do?”

Maybe he did mention his less than stellar defense but it wasn’t a deal breaker. Do you know everything that was said even though you have far more access than I do? Do they tell you everything DOB?

I would assume the manager and GM on every team ALWAYS wants the best team possible. Doesn’t mean every move they make is above questioning and turns out perfectly does it?

Myke Hawk

November 17th, 2010
1:41 am

edgar,

potential bullpen ace based off of a 19 inning sample size???

Najeh Davenpoop

November 17th, 2010
1:42 am

“You don’t see many trades with a more clear-cut winner than this one.”

If Dan Uggla walks in 2011 and Omar Infante hits .300 for the Marlins in 2011, will you still consider the Braves winners?

I can see how the Braves are considered winners if Uggla is locked up to a long term deal; it’s easy to overlook poor defense and 150 strikeouts when you have a reliable power bat like that in the middle of the lineup. In the absence of a long term deal, though, he’s just JD Drew all over again.

GloryDays

November 17th, 2010
1:42 am

I do think it ironic that Kelly Johnson put up similar numbers last year with the D’s. Regarding Uggla, I would like it better if he could play left field. The Braves became good when they got a good infield to go with their pitchers, I thought this is what were still after. I guess not.

Myke Hawk

November 17th, 2010
1:43 am

if mike dunn is that good, then why’d the yankees trade him in the first place?

Myke Hawk

November 17th, 2010
1:44 am

Najeh Davenpoop

omar’s a FA too after next season

Najeh Davenpoop

November 17th, 2010
1:47 am

I just have a hard time seeing how a defensively poor team with strikeout machines from 5 through 8 in the order, one of whom was supposedly acquired to provide power, is a clear-cut winner when they trade for a defensively poor strikeout machine who was acquired to provide power. Are you really improving overall if, in the process of alleviating one weakness, you make your other weaknesses even weaker?

robert

November 17th, 2010
1:48 am

the people saying dunn will be something special

what about charlie morton?
kyle davies, jorge sosa, oscar villareal, chuck james..?

Najeh Davenpoop

November 17th, 2010
1:50 am

“omar’s a FA too after next season”

And he’ll get paid a fraction of what Uggla gets paid, assuming the Braves don’t extend him.

Let me make myself clear — I can see how this deal might benefit the Braves, assuming Uggla stays long term. I don’t think it’s a certainty by any means, but it makes sense that it might. But until that extension happens, I can’t see how DOB and most of the rest of you see this as an automatic win. Infante was one of the most valuable players the Braves had last season. All of a sudden I’m supposed to believe last season was a fluke and he’s expendable just because Uggla can hit homers? I don’t buy that.

In Wren We Trust

November 17th, 2010
1:50 am

“In the absence of a long term deal, though, he’s just JD Drew all over again.” – Najeh Davenpoop

And who is Adam Wainwright in this deal? Dunn? You can’t be serious. One-year rental idea, fine. But this isn’t one-year rental for future staff ace whose arbitration clock hasn’t started yet like the JD Drew for Adam Wainwright deal. It’s a guy with one year left on his contract for yet another guy with one year left on his contract and a converted outfielder who’s always struggled with control and walked nearly a batter an inning this year.

carlchamblee

November 17th, 2010
1:51 am

GloryDays I agree with you on defense. It’s very important especially up the middle. That couldn’t have been more evident this past season. We just downgraded defensively at second. That’s important no matter how many sluggers you put in the order.

I’m glad the Braves got more punch, but would have preferred it be found at a position where we didn’t already have an allstar and better fielder.

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
2:00 am

If Dan Uggla walks in 2011 and Omar Infante hits .300 for the Marlins in 2011, will you still consider the Braves winners?

I can see how the Braves are considered winners if Uggla is locked up to a long term deal; it’s easy to overlook poor defense and 150 strikeouts when you have a reliable power bat like that in the middle of the lineup. In the absence of a long term deal, though, he’s just JD Drew all over again — Najeh Davenpoop

No, actually it’s not in any way like the J.D. Drew trade. You and others are trying hard to compare this to that trade or to the Teixeira trade, but you’re missing one crucial point: Those deals backfired on the Braves because the player the Braves got didn’t put them over the top and help them win a pennant or World Series, AND the young players they traded for them — Adam Wainwright in the Drew trade, Feliz and Andrus in the Teixeira trade — have gone on to develop into standouts with their new teams. A standout starting pitcher (Wainwright), shortstop (Andrus) and closer (Feliz).

In this deal, the Braves aren’t trading any top prospects, no young players that are projected to possibly develop into aces or top closers or Gold Glove shortstops, etc. They are trading a standout veteran utility man who has spent most of his career as a backup, and who will be A FREE AGENT after 2011. He has the same amount of time left under contractual control as Uggla — one year.

Which leaves only Mike Dunn with any possibility of developing into a player who comes back to haunt the Braves for years, ala Wainwright. Problem is, Dunn’s not one of their top pitching prospects. He’s a converted outfielder with a great arm, a raw pitcher who may or may not turn out to be a good relief pitcher. Now, unless you’re saying that 25-year-old rookie Mike Dunn should have been untouchable, just like Kimbrel, Venters, Teheran, Delgado, Minor, Vizcaino, et al, I don’t see how this is at all comparable to the J.D. Drew trade. Dunn is not akin to trading a young Wainwright.

You asked: If Infante hits .300 in 2011 and Uggla leaves as a free agent after 2011, will I still consider the Braves winners in this trade? Think about what you’re saying. Infante, too, is a free agent after 2011. So if he hits .300, with his usual limited power and run production totals, and Uggla produces like he’s produced every season he’s been in the majors — if he hits about .270 with 30-31 homers and 90-95 RBIs — and both are free agents after the season, then how did the Braves not fare better for having Uggla than Infante? I mean, where is the logic in your point?

Again, unless you think Mike Dunn is the crucial factor here, that he might come back and haunt the Braves for years like Wainwright, how is this like the J.D. Drew trade? How is it at all like that one?

Bobby's Cox

November 17th, 2010
2:01 am

If Dan Uggla walks in 2011 and Omar Infante hits .300 for the Marlins in 2011, will you still consider the Braves winners?

Yes, because the Braves will get two draft picks. It’s no secret they’re trying to revamp their strength in position player depth in the minors. This should help should Uggla walks. Either way, it’s a win-win and a low-risk, no-brainer trade for Wren & the Braves.

robert

November 17th, 2010
2:06 am

infante hit .321
but in reality, did it really matter..
i mean…. his runs scored total was low..(65) and RBI total (47)

infante could go 5-5 in a game… if no runs are scored as a result of those 5 hits… then whats the point???

jwdavis88

November 17th, 2010
2:08 am

DOB do you think that this trade possibly means the braves will trade prado in a deal to st louis for rasmus.i just dont buy that the braves are going to move an allstar second baseman to leftfield especially given the fact that so many teams are in need of a middle infielder like prado.it is well known that the cards were interested in uggla before he was dealt to atlanta.in prado the cards would get the second baseman they need who will give them about the same production as rasmuss for about the same salary

summer of 91

November 17th, 2010
2:12 am

good trade, I hate to lose omar, and what looks like a non tender to matty baseball if chipper is really coming back. I think if anyone ever gave matty baseball 140 games in a year he would hit 270/25hrs/90 rbis. he just aint sexy enough i guess. I like this trade all things considered.

JASon

November 17th, 2010
2:12 am

“Atlanta sends Infrante, Dunn to Marlins”

Great job, guys.

Bobby's Cox

November 17th, 2010
2:14 am

I love Infante, but for what it’s worth, Uggla has a tremendous OBP, even higher than Infante’s. I think we, or those who are questioning the trade, are overlooking that stat here. Infante got on base by a bunch of singles. We have Martin and Heyward and Chipper that do that pretty well, and now Uggla to drive them all in.

Look at the OBP’s of the players hitting in front of Uggla, and all of the RBI situations that Uggla will be in, and then try to discount this trade…

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
2:17 am

If Dan Uggla walks in 2011 and Omar Infante hits .300 for the Marlins in 2011, will you still consider the Braves winners? — Najeh Davenpoop

Yes, of course, if Uggla performs like he has in all five of his previous major league seasons. If he hit 30-32 homers, 30 doubles, scores about 100 runs, drives in 90-95 runs — pretty much his typical production — then yes, I’d take that over a .300 average from Infante, who in eight seasons has driven in 50 runs once, never hit 30 doubles, never scored as many as 70 runs, and hit as many as 10 homers once.

At the end of the year, both are eligible for free agents, so why wouldn’t the Braves be winners in the deal? Unless you think Mike Dunn is the big difference-maker and should have been treated like Braves pitchers or pitching prospects including Teheran, Hanson, Minor, Kimbrel, Venters, Delgado, et al? You worried that Dunn’s going to come back and haunt the Braves like Wainwright, or become a standout closer like Feliz? Because otherwise, how is the trade at all like the Drew trade? Both key pieces in this deal are free agents at the end of the season.

There are no top young prospects involved. So unless Dunn is the difference-maker for you, or you’d rather have Infante’s versatility and .300 average over Uggla’s higher OBP, and immensely superior OPS, power and run production, then yes, the Braves are winners in the deal — whether or not Uggla walks after the season. If the Braves had kept Infante, he’d be at the end of his contract after his 2011 option year, too.

summer of 91

November 17th, 2010
2:19 am

i like the trade, we need that bat and that’s another great move by wren, and freddi g made the decision an easy one, i just hate losing true braves. but that’s life, that’s baseball.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 17th, 2010
2:24 am

“They are trading a standout veteran utility man who has spent most of his career as a backup, and who will be A FREE AGENT after 2011. He has the same amount of time left under contractual control as Uggla — one year.”

At the time I posted that, I didn’t know that Infante’s contract is also expiring, which changes my opinion about this deal to a significant extent. In my mind, the Braves were trading multiple years of Infante and Dunn for one year of Uggla, but apparently that’s not the case. I like Dunn, but with the Braves’ pitching depth I don’t have a problem including him in a trade.

But having said that, based on what you know, who do you think the Braves would have had a better chance of re-signing in 2011, Uggla or Infante? And for that matter, how likely do you think it is that Uggla stays a Brave beyond this season?

And considering that Lowe and Hudson rely so heavily on ground balls, is it really a good idea to weaken the Braves’ already weak infield defense further by playing Uggla at 2nd? Why not, if anything, stick him in left and keep Prado at 2nd?

summer of 91

November 17th, 2010
2:25 am

that’s also my idiotic perception- as if there were any loyalty in today’s game. but tip of the cap to omar, played his but off for us and did it with all the class in the world.

Bobby's Cox

November 17th, 2010
2:39 am

I just have a hard time seeing how a defensively poor team with strikeout machines from 5 through 8 in the order, one of whom was supposedly acquired to provide power, is a clear-cut winner when they trade for a defensively poor strikeout machine who was acquired to provide power.

Just to set the record straight, the Braves, even with their poor defense, arguably played the World Champs better than any other team in the playoffs. Even with their strikeout prone team, they were 1 bat from away from taking the Giants series.

Enter Uggla, who is better defensively than Conrad. Exit Infante who made 1 huge mistake by not knocking a ball down in Game 1 of the NLDS that led to a loss.

Then look at the lineup: Prado, Heyward, Chipper, Uggla, McCann at the top. Your #5 is not strike out prone like you say he is. He’s a 5-time All-Star and 4-time Silver Slugger winner. Batting 6th is a strike out prone veteran SS who will hit 20+ HR and drive in 70+ runs. Batting 7th is one of the best prospects in all of baseball, and an A+ fielder who will help with Uggla on the left side of the infield. And if Uggla is so bad at 2nd, they could move him to LF and put a GG caliber fielder in Martin Prado at 2B.

For every single one of your arguments, there is a clear rebuttal. Keep them coming….

Bobby's Cox

November 17th, 2010
2:42 am

Najeh Davenpoop,

If the trade never happens, and Infate is signed by another team after 2011, the Braves likely do not get any draft compensation.

Now if Uggla walks, like you’re so concerned about, the Braves not only get the signing team’s 1st round pick, they also get a supplemental 1st round pick. That’s 2 1st round draft picks that they would not get if they never make this trade, and it’s 2 draft picks at the expense of a questionable reliever in a department the Braves have depth, and at the expense of a Infante whom the Braves could possibly resign.

Dude, why are you so worried about this deal?

Bobby's Cox

November 17th, 2010
2:47 am

This deal is the equivalent of the Phillies stealing Oswalt from Houston.

Bob the Blogger

November 17th, 2010
2:48 am

I’m having trouble imagining how the Marlin’s thought this was a good deal for them.

Bravos0516

November 17th, 2010
3:06 am

This trade is great in my opinion. Even before this move Infante would have been a utility player for the Braves. If Uggla performs close to his average so far we would receive two draft picks if he doesn’t sign which is great value considering what we gave up. Dunn is basically a wash because we are plentiful in good lefties. To those who said we need a new lefty in the pen, shut up, O’flaherty is the lefty specialist plus you have Venters in the set-up role so we’re good for now. Lefty pinch hitter, defensive 4th OF, and a veteran righty reliever are what we need now.

Manny

November 17th, 2010
3:45 am

I’d like to see Chuck Norris hitting clean up but since the Yankees will always out-bid the entire league.. Uggla will due. I always worried when he came to the plate. He was never cheated with a half-hearted swing like we saw from Melky on more than too many occasions. Uggla will also help everyone else in the lineup with his 30+HRs. I think Diaz had an off yr because of the hand injury but I love his playing style and heart… resign him and Henskie and we’ll improve by 6 games over last yr… Diaz can play relief in left and right…Henskie can play relief for 3rd and 1st…

the don of realism

November 17th, 2010
3:55 am

Uggla is slow & on the the way down. He won’t hit higher than .250 nor more than 15 hrs. Gimper Jones doesn’t have the skill to play AAA ball anymore. Bravos don’t win more than 80 games next year…if they are lucky.

loafer

November 17th, 2010
4:57 am

You had me until you mentioned brooks conrad would be a backup in the infield. r u crazy????? did u not see what i saw in the playoffs. r u crazy????

Not Sure About Losing Infante

November 17th, 2010
5:08 am

Ok so he has hit homers but for some reason Wren thought Ankiel and Farnsworth were going to be productive—lateral move?

GOP Cannon

November 17th, 2010
5:43 am

VERY good move!

Notso Fast

November 17th, 2010
6:07 am

IF I THOUGHT HE WAS THE ONE PLAYER MISSING TO GET US TO THE TOP, I WOULD BE DELIGHTED. WE HAVE IN THE PAST TRADED FOR GREAT PLAYERS AND NOT GONE TO THE TOP, THEN TO SEE THAT GREAT PLAYER LEAVE AND THOSE PLAYERS WE TRADED AWAY COME BACK TO BITE US. I WISH WE COULD SIGN HIM LONG TERM, THEN IT WOULD BE A GOOD DEAL.

Obee

November 17th, 2010
6:11 am

Ah, DOB, some people just aren’t happy unless they got something to complain about.

Elmer

November 17th, 2010
6:16 am

Too high a price; we need both U. and Infante.

TommyP

November 17th, 2010
6:25 am

At least 75% of the bloggers love the deal. Why are we focusing on the ignorant 25%?

Frank Wren: You, sir, have made me a believer. I was on the fence with you for awhile but you’ve made more good trades than bad. Now your FA signings haven’t been some of my favorites but I can no longer complain about the job you’re doing after this heist.

Uggla for a utility guy and a wild, situational lefty. Are you friggin’ kidding me?

VERY similar deal to the deal Schuerholz made for McGriff. I’m shocked but ecstatic.

wally pip

November 17th, 2010
6:31 am

This is a potentially great deal. I will miss Infante, and Dunn has a great future. But if the Braves had had Uggla this season, they might have won it all. He’s the missing piece. And the Braves didn’t have to trade Jair to get him. Obviously, the new manager knows and loves this guy, and we Braves fans have good reason to celebrate. I always hated when Uggla came to bat against the Braves. Seems like he always did some damage. Kudos to Wren et al. With Uggla in he lineup, Chipper will drive in 100. If Chip can’t he ought to hang it up and let the Braves use that salary for productive youngsters. We could still use a legit leadoff hitter. That way Prado could hit second and Hayward could move down. Jacoby Elsbury sounds like the perfect fit to me.

wally pip

November 17th, 2010
6:36 am

Ellsbury
Prado
Chipper
Uggla
McCann
Heyward
Gonzales
Freeman

That would be a very troublesome lineup for anyone to face.

GMCK

November 17th, 2010
6:39 am

I WAS REALLY HOPING BROOKS CONRAD WOULD BE OUR STARTING 2B NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!! DANG YOU BRAVES!!!!

steveP

November 17th, 2010
6:43 am

I am with you DOB….so of these people just cannot be pleased. I wonder how they are outside of this blog?

Mary

November 17th, 2010
6:44 am

I hope Uggla is not another McClouth! I think they should have kept Omar Infante…he will be missed. We still need a center fielder or left fielder. If Arthur Blank or Ted Turner owned the Braves, we could get Werth or Crawford…the sky would be the limit if L wasn’t the owner.

steveP

November 17th, 2010
6:59 am

so if Chipper can’t go, and Prado goes to 3rd, who plays LF?

GaryinBham

November 17th, 2010
7:01 am

I just woke up to the good news. I LOVE Omar Infante, and I will miss him. Dunn has a good arm, but I just keep remembering straight fastballs getting hammered in some crucial situations late and in playoffs. I LIKE getting someone I always hated to see coming to bat. Good trade, FW!

justin1

November 17th, 2010
7:07 am

DOB,
Of course from a power standpoint I love the deal. But if you look at how much getting another 2nd baseman has changed the defense, Im not so sure Wren made the right move for this team. We just replaced arguably our team MVP with a guy who makes a ton of errors. We also replaced our “leadoff hitter” I dont like the idea of our only viable leadoff man not having a true position. Really, Prado is the perfect 2 hole hitter. So that said, Im hoping Wren can move Gonz for a true leadoff shortstop. Do you think thats possible? I also think we could have found 30 hrs from the outfield market had we waited this out a little bit. Im sure everyone on the Braves is happy to have some power again, but at the cost of poor infield defense? Im not so sure how Huddy and Lowe feel about it.

Chipper's ACL

November 17th, 2010
7:12 am

This trade doesn’t address the teams defensive troubles but does inject a little fear to the order. A good trade for both teams. Fla needed a year rental from someone until their 3B phenom is ready and the money freed them up to sign Buck. I’m not sold on Dunn. Can’t get too excited over a pitcher that walks as many as IP. He won’t repeate this years numbers. The big question is how this trade looks at the end of ‘11. Is Uggla wrapped up to a multi year deal? If not then the Braves will no doubt receive 2 draft picks if he walks. Infante wouldn’t have stayed because he would be looking for a starting position and a raise. No need to have a bench player making over 3m, which he would ask for, when the team is strapped for funds. So a power hitter is found. The OF situation still has not been addressed. At least not yet. Sure Prado can play left. He was also an All Star at second. So an OF of Heyward, McLouth, and Prado will rank in top 5 outfields in the league? CF still must be addressed. McLouth will be the fourth OF so I cannot see Diaz nor Hinske returning. Prado is now the utility player so Hinske’s value has been reduced. I think the return of Hinske won’t be determined until more is known about Chipper’s health, which won’t be for a few months. Can’t see him waiting around. So the focus is now on CF. Maybe the target can now be on Upton, not BJ but Justin. Rumor is he’s available and the DBacks need pitching. JJ for Upton? Could happen. Heyward in CF, Upton in right. More power to the lineup.

London Calling

November 17th, 2010
7:16 am

I can’t claim to be a huge Uggla fan, mostly due to his defence, and I wasn’t that thrilled when people started talking about trading for him. But, good grief, we got him for nothing! We gave up a versatile (ie moderate at a lot of positions) singles hitting utility player and our 3rd best lefty reliever (most teams don’t even HAVE 3 lefty relievers!). Could this be a belated retirement present from the Marlins for Bobby? I can’t think why else they did it.

Chipper's ACL

November 17th, 2010
7:18 am

justin1 I agree with your comment about SS. I’ve said for weeks Bartlett would be a good fit for this team. This past season is the first Gonzo has had injury free. To assume he can duplicate it next season is a big risk. I’m sure TB would swap SS’s straight up just to reduce payroll. Bartlett is a good defender and has speed. I’d love to see the deal but………..

CJ

November 17th, 2010
7:19 am

I did not feel like reading all 7 pages of comments. I like the trade a lot, and I think the roster is getting close to being set. I think Ankiel will have a comparable numbers year to BJ Upton, so why spend more money on a negligible upgrade. Ankiel’s speed and defense, plus he will have the chance to get his bat going will be a productive piece in center field.

Arkie

November 17th, 2010
7:22 am

Great Deal – Sorta – Defense and speed also win games. Chipper has been a GREAT player and still can help the Braves – not on an every day basis. Chipper is a # 2 or 5, 6 hitter. The power appears to be gone. If he stops swinging for homers and hits the ball to all fields, he can set up a lot of runs. McLouth needs a good hitting coach to tell him to stop trying to hit homers – hit line drives – use his speed, probably will not happen. We still need another OF. Pitching, Defense, Power, Speed and team chemistry, do we have enough?? Wren get it done.

Bill M.

November 17th, 2010
7:32 am

If the Braves can sign Uggla, why not explore a trade involving Prado. The Braves need two OF’s with some speed and power. Reguardless this trade for Uggla is great,

Lotimus Pyle

November 17th, 2010
7:34 am

Uggla is Jeff Francouer at the plate. Unfortunately, he’s not Frenchy in the field. Yeah, he’s topped 30 HRs 4 times, but he doesn’t care about striking out, working the count, moving runners over, or simply getting on base. If you give Francouer the same freedom to hit .240, he would likely deliver 30 bombs a year too. After watching how much defense matters in the NLDS, why would we DOWNGRADE that aspect of the team.

We also keep hearing about how the Braves are going to solve their power problem with the bats of McClouth (DOB, you were really pumped about him batting 3rd in the lineup), Glaus, Cabrerea, Lee, and Gonzalez. How have any of those panned out? Why is Wren suddenly a genius with this deal when those 5 acquisitions all failed? We just subtracted defense and consistency from a playoff team and added an erratic player who has never played under any pressure, unless you count his 3 errors and 3 K’s in the All Star Game. The only thing Uggla has ever done with any consistency is lose. We didn’t need a 2nd baseman, but if we really wanted to move Prado to LF, Orlando Hudson would have been cheaper, a better fielder, and more consistent producer. Save this blog and revisit it in July when Uggla is getting booed for leaving runners on base.

Sid

November 17th, 2010
7:35 am

Great trade. Hate to see Infante leave but this was a no brainer. Now, can they sign him. Let’s hope so.

rainman376toothpicks

November 17th, 2010
7:39 am

Uggla knows big money from the Yankees,Red Sox,Angels,Mets,or Dodgers is out there in free agency. Lock him up now before he hits .290 35 100 and is unsignable for the Braves.

DOB, does Chipper himself believe he will be playing 3rd base for the Braves next year ? We want to know. If he can’t, then all they’ve done is replaced Chipper’s bat with Uggla’s bat and haven’t accomplished anything really. But with Chipper’s bat Uggla rocks !

dap01

November 17th, 2010
7:43 am

DOB: As presently constructed, is Mather the backup CF now? If no big piece is added, who would be the alternative if McLouth does not bounce back?

Do you see us going after a RH relief pitcher? Would Diory be the backup IF?

Thanks for the updates. Wren is a great GM.

rainman376toothpicks

November 17th, 2010
7:43 am

Bill, you are retarded. Trade Prado ? Prado is making peanuts in money compared to what others with his production makes. Braves would be insane to trade him.

Ray

November 17th, 2010
7:44 am

Those complaining about the trade… are you Kidding me? 1) we gave up as DOB said no top prospects,, not Prado. We gave up someone that had a career YEAR. Uggla has done it for several years. Its not like he has only had one good year. Look at the prospects that everyone was posting they would give up to get Uggla. The Braves still have ALL of them. Had any of us said we would give up INfante and Dunn for Uggla,, every one of us would have said NOOOO way would the Marlins do that. This is an awesome trade. For some of you, the only way you would be happy with this trade is if the braves gave up Conrad and Diaz. You have to be realistic. We replaced Uggla’s bat for Infante. What if Infante hits 300 and walks after this year? Did the Marlins win in the trade? The braves prospects and bullpen are all in tact. Good move Wren. Maybe its true, some people are not happy unless they have something to complain about.

dap01

November 17th, 2010
7:45 am

If I am the Braves, I dont COUNT on Chipper being the #3 hitter that we expect. He would be better served being lower in the lineup.

farmerjoe

November 17th, 2010
7:46 am

you people putting chippy third in the lineup are DREAMING as he was a drain the last two years at the plate and in the field–he needs to retire so we can use that money for crawford or werth and then they would challenge the phillies

rainman376toothpicks

November 17th, 2010
7:47 am

They traded Uggla because he turned down their contract offer. Its hard to play with a player that has rejected you.

farmerjoe

November 17th, 2010
7:50 am

Lotimus–you lost credibility when you brought up Francouer–JF NEVER listened to anyone and was the WORST at plate patience

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
7:53 am

dap01: Good question at 7:43, about backup CF. I asked Wren yesterday about Mather in CF, and he said that’s not really ideal. So I don’t know that they can go into the season without a Plan B in case McLouth flops or gets hurt, and that’s probably going to be addressed. He said bullpen and bench depth were the remaining needs, so I’d think that would have to include someone with more CF experience.

I’ll try to find out today, to get him to clarify. I sure didn’t get impression earlier this offseason that they’d be relying on, say, Schafer to fill that role.

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
7:56 am

DOB, does Chipper himself believe he will be playing 3rd base for the Braves next year ? — rainman

Yes, he does. Has never given any indication that he’s thinking anything but that. And says he’s had no setbacks in recovery and is still intending to be ready for spring training.

feartheBraves

November 17th, 2010
7:57 am

This trade should definitely help the Braves – but I hate to see them let Infante go – great bat to have coming off the bench and can fill in anywhere in the field when needed. The good thing for him at least – he might be a starter in FL.

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
7:58 am

So that said, Im hoping Wren can move Gonz for a true leadoff shortstop. Do you think thats possible? — Justin1

No, I don’t. Because Braves don’t view it that way and have no desire to replace Gonzalez.

DoninTococca/78

November 17th, 2010
8:01 am

Okay, okay, okay!! Like C Storm has it down just right! Now, I am excited about our chances, however, don’t mess with our pitching staff and we really WANT Chipper back with his hitting skills.

Randal Patrick McMurphy

November 17th, 2010
8:06 am

When Uggla sends the first (of many) balls into the left field seats next season, nobody will be thinking about Omar Infante… this was a HUGE trade and it’ll prove itself out over time. This Uggla kid can PLAY with a lotta heart!!!

Cecil34

November 17th, 2010
8:10 am

This is a good move and a needed one.

Reason is because number one, he hits. With power.

Two is Chipper is going to be a shell of himself. Even if he comes back, the odds are not in his favor. The main focus with him will be what his next injury is.

So counting on Chipper would be foolish.

What we gave up won’t matter in the long run.

The question now is can we sign Ug for an extension?

Ug always murdered Braves pitching so at least we won’t have to face him anymore!

stew

November 17th, 2010
8:12 am

What a steal! Infante was a punch and judy with decent but not great defense and no real position that he was accomplished at. Ok at ss and second and definately not an everyday player at third. Dunn walked 17 in19 innings. Now we need either Braun, Rasmus, or Upton and we’ll be better than the Phils assuming Werth walks and they fill his spot with an unproven Domonic Brown. With Ibanez on his way to being over the hill, there could be a big void in the outfield with the Flying Hawaiian as the only proven commodity. So they’ll have Howard, Utley, Shane, Rollins, and a bunch of scrubinos. They should be much weaker than this year.

richham

November 17th, 2010
8:13 am

Steal for the Braves. They need to sign this guy to an extension. Solid deal, especially since we got the hitter we needed. This is almost the best of both worlds. Left field now looks a lot stronger offensively and I know Prado will do a good job and now we have an all-star second baseman to replace the all-star we moved to left. I like it!

Bama Brave

November 17th, 2010
8:14 am

Alot of PEOPLE on here will Never be happy. How in the world could you not love this trade???

Braves Fan #10

November 17th, 2010
8:17 am

Great move Wren. But…. We still need Dunn or Werth or Crawford to push us over the top !

mowreck

November 17th, 2010
8:17 am

Uhhhhh, thought we needed an outfielder.

jason

November 17th, 2010
8:21 am

Najeh, if we were to make this trade a year ago, u would have loved it. This is our first 30+ hr guy since chipper. cmon now. if u didnt forget this hit .287 which is pretty close to a .300 hitter. I agree we need a utility man, and some RHPing.

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
8:21 am

Uhhhhh, thought we needed an outfielder. — mowreck

What the Braves said they needed all along was right-handed power. Which they got. And with Prado moving to left field (unless Chipper doesn’t make it back), then they effectively added an outfielder, since he’ll be playing one of the three outfield positions. At least that’s the current plan.

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They asked for Martin hahaha

November 17th, 2010
8:28 am

•Meanwhile, ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick says Florida originally asked Atlanta for Martin Prado in exchange for their second baseman, but later settled on Omar Infante.

Can’t believe they thought we would part with Martin. Not sure how I would feel if Wren went with that deal!!!!

JoeFan

November 17th, 2010
8:29 am

Good trade, not great unless the Braves can lock Uggla up for a several years. Still this is a team full of holes. Chipper is a big question mark, which means LF again becomes a vacancy if Prado has to take over for him at 3B. CF needs an upgrade for sure and SS isn’t far behind. Hopefully the Braves will begin to find some of the answers through the fram system and draft.

TMAC

November 17th, 2010
8:30 am

2011 Lineup:
1. Martin Prado 2B
2. Jason Heyward RF
3. Chipper Jones 3B
4. Brian McCann C
5. Dan Uggla LF
6. Freddie Freeman 1B
7. Alex Gonzalez SS
8. Nate McClouth CF <——-Unfortunately
9. Pitcher P

JoJo the Godfather

November 17th, 2010
8:32 am

What will the bench will look like now?…Question marks have to surround Conrad’s ability to rebound after the playoffs?…Do you bring back Matt Diaz, who’s not very versatile, when we now have a RH hitting LF’er in Prado?…You can’t count on McLouth in center, so we need an OF’er that has that ability?…Who’s the backup SS?…I assume Prado helps at 1B, but what if Chipper is injured, Freeman doesn’t get a day off?…There’s 4 spots on that bench along with Ross, and I’m interested as to what type players we go after to fill them?

They asked for Martin hahaha

November 17th, 2010
8:32 am

2011 Lineup:
1. Martin Prado 2B
2. Jason Heyward RF
3. Chipper Jones 3B
4. Brian McCann C
5. Dan Uggla LF
6. Freddie Freeman 1B
7. Alex Gonzalez SS
8. Andruw Jones CF <——-fortunately
9. Pitcher P

GwinnettDad

November 17th, 2010
8:34 am

Can anybody remember “Teixeira”? In one year, Uggla will be a Yankee or a Dodger. And the Braves will end up with nothing.

Churchy

November 17th, 2010
8:34 am

If the Braves don’t acquire an OF this offseason that would upgrade our lineup, chances are pretty good they would get someone before/around the trade deadline that would help them in the post-season.

doggylikeshisbrekky

November 17th, 2010
8:37 am

If I am a Bravos GB pitcher like I dunno, Lowe, Hudson, JJ, Venters, Moylan etc I would be thrilled having perhaps the worst IF defenders in Bravos history behind me (assuming HOSS is at 3B)… with all apologies to Fab 5 Freddie… this could be ugiler than late 2010..

but we will be a hitting a few more hr in 2011

darrin

November 17th, 2010
8:41 am

now all we need to do is sign andruw jones, matt diaz, eric hinske and a bullpen vet what do yall think

Walker, Texas Ranger

November 17th, 2010
8:41 am

Braves will lead the league in errors in 2011. Plus we gave up a lefty with a sub 2.00 era though unproven to go along with our best infielder with a .321 average. This was anything but a steal for the Braves.

buntcrazy

November 17th, 2010
8:41 am

Glad Mr Cox is gone so we won’t have to watch Uggla bunt!

doggylikeshisbrekky

November 17th, 2010
8:43 am

Sign Hinske, Capt Caveman yes, Andruw… hmm not sure we will go down that path again, imagine

Uggla
Andruw
AGONZ
Freddie all in a row K, K, K and K and then imagine the meltdown on this board…. nope

doggylikeshisbrekky

November 17th, 2010
8:45 am

DOBI – was looking at Uggla’s nos and they are much better OPS wise against RHP, but could that just be a small sample size from 2010 based on facing excellent LHSP (Hamels etc)

Submariner

November 17th, 2010
8:46 am

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he’s snatchin your people up
tryna rape em so y’all need to
hide your kids, hide your wife
hide your kids, hide your wife
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and hide your husband
cuz they’re rapin errbody out here
you don’t have to come and confess
we’re lookin for you
we gon find you
we gon find you
so you can run and tell that,
run and tell that
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home, home, homeboy

we got your t-shirt
you done left fingerprints and all
you are so dumb
you are really dumb–for real
the man got away leaving behind evidence
i was attacked by some idiot in the projects
so dumb, so dumb, so dumb, so

Mikey

November 17th, 2010
8:49 am

Brilliant trade getting a true 30 hr. and 100 rbi r/h hitter to protect McCann. Now if we can just fill the void in center we can put some scare in the Phillies.

gtjackets

November 17th, 2010
8:51 am

would so of you please for gods sake quit bring up the damn Teixeira deal its over done we got screwed move on please he has nothing to do with and never will have anything to do with this team anymore let talk about the current team

dpelfrey

November 17th, 2010
8:51 am

Submariner…I like the overall point, but those lyrics are a little distasteful.

Walker, Texas Ranger

November 17th, 2010
8:51 am

I didn’t hear, who won the AL rookie of the year award?

gtjackets

November 17th, 2010
8:52 am

some instead of so

Spud Webb

November 17th, 2010
8:53 am

wait, wait…….where is everyone that bashes wren??? come on!!?? where I say??
The guy makes solid moves all the time w/ a tight budget. Great job frank.
Now Chipper, retire, lets use that money and go get another big bat.

Submariner

November 17th, 2010
8:54 am

dpelfrey: It’s funny though. I’m still blown away that the Marlins agreed to this deal. Even if Uggla walks after the season. Wren Bought low and sold high with Infante and Dunn. This was a great deal for the Braves.

Kerry

November 17th, 2010
8:55 am

Hey DOB. Ask Frank Wren about Andruw Jones back in CF.. I would love to see him back!! He is affordable! Also everyone understand the Braves definately have more money to spend but need some veteran relievers, and why max out at the beginning of season when in June and July the unspent money under the max allowed payroll would give the Braves the flexibility to go get a need..

JohnS

November 17th, 2010
8:58 am

As with most here I like this trade. I will like it a lot more if we don’t give Uggla a ridiculous 5 year contract. A potential first round pick and a sandwich pick will have far more long term value than the disaster that years 4 and 5 are likely to be in a long term contract. Especially as he will eventually have to move from 2B because of his defense.

Infante had a career year, but either tired at the end with regular play, or the pitchers figured him out. His numbers in the last 6 weeks were underwhelming. Dunn would have been the 3rd lefty in the bullpen.

vmr

November 17th, 2010
9:00 am

Will the Braves please get some speed to go with all this power.

feartheBraves

November 17th, 2010
9:01 am

DOB, not too many established veteran relievers are free agents (exceptions are Trevor Hoffman and Arthur Rhodes) and it seems less likely they’ll trade for a starting OF now (best FA options may be to bring back Andruw Jones or Willie Harris if the price is right). Honestly, I wouldn’t mind if they got Ankiel back (great defensively). Who do you think would be the best addition to the Braves bench (FA or trade)? Bullpen? Any possibility they could still work a trade for Ellsbury with a package of Vizcaino, Beachy, Diaz (or Schafer)?

Submariner

November 17th, 2010
9:02 am

vmr: Yeah! Like BJ Upton?

Chief

November 17th, 2010
9:03 am

I love the trade. Now what about signing Andruw to be backup CF or to platoon there with McLouth? One of them could play some LF when Chipper gets hurt. Andruw hit 19 HR’s last year with .827 OPS in limited role, and only made a half million. Between Nate and Andruw surely one of them would step up.

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
9:04 am

doggylike: I also noticed that huge jump in OPS vs. lefties in 2010, compared to previous two seasons for Uggla. Surprising thing to me was the previous two seasons, not 2010 (you’d expect him to have a significant advantage in OPS vs. lefties). Before 2010, last time he had better OPS vs. lefties than righties was 2007.

Chief

November 17th, 2010
9:07 am

And we aren’t trading for Upton or Ellsbury, or signing Crawford or Werth now people. This isn’t fantasy baseball. We have severe budget limitations, and a loaded farm system which we want to preserve, get over it and get used to it. Wren will only make small moves from here on out.

doggylikeshisbrekky

November 17th, 2010
9:08 am

Right on Chief

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
9:09 am

Can anybody remember “Teixeira”? — GwinnettDad

I think everyone does. And it’s probably why most Braves fans are glad the Braves didn’t give up a bounty of top prospects this time around to get the big bat they needed. Instead, they gave up a veteran infielder coming off a career year and headed for free agency after 2011, and the third lefty in their bullpen.

Kerry

November 17th, 2010
9:09 am

Also all people in the ATL.. Listen to 680thefan @ 9:35am. Fredi G. is going to be on the show!!

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
9:11 am

Who’s the backup SS?…I assume Prado helps at 1B, but what if Chipper is injured, Freeman doesn’t get a day off?… — JoJo

Braves hope that Mather nails down backup 1B job in spring training. Diory Hernandez could be backup SS, having strong winter-ball season after getting stroke back following shoulder surgery. But Braves are still trying to add to bench, nothing set in stone.

GaryinBham

November 17th, 2010
9:15 am

We weakened our bench and strengthened our power and starters. Martin is an upgrade most anywhere but especially in our left field. The outfield still isn’t great, but our infield will hit well. Don’t understand all the hand-wringing–if you’re unhappy, at the end of 2011 let him walk and re-sign Omar. I predict we’ll be VERY happy. We had a great bench team last year, showing that you can’t get to the Series with the bench being your main strength. If Chipper, Mac, Heyward and Uggla play most of the year and our pitchers stay well, watch out Giants.

Thundersticks

November 17th, 2010
9:19 am

It would be nice to upgrade in CF, or at the very least add some quality depth there. Chipper will miss some time, the only question is how much? So when you bring Prado in from LF to play 3B, or to play 1B for Freddie, or to play 2B for Uggla, the OF will be right back to where it was last year.

I had been against bringing Andruw back, and am still not crazy about the idea, but we need someone like him to platoon with Nate in CF or play CF when Nate shifts over to LF to fill in for Praco. It would be great if Schafer could bounce back and earn that role, but we can’t count on it. No more than we can count on Nate bouncing back. Maybe Wren could pry BJ or Ellsbury or someone else like that away for a similar package. I’d first see who gets non-tendered. The answer may present itself.

Kashi

November 17th, 2010
9:19 am

Is it time to DROP Terry Pendalton and REsign Glenn Hubbard? Hubbard’s work ethics and his teaching mechanics on Marcus Giles, Kelly Johnson and Martin Prado…defensively there was never a problem. Now Mr. Uggla is on board, is it time to bring back Glenn Hubbard?

Feeanch

November 17th, 2010
9:25 am

How bout a round of applause for DOB folks? Dude puts out a post @ 2am and then is back on the beat posting for us knuckleheads @ 730am. I know it’s his job, but this is why I follow this blog each and every day. Appreciate the work, Chief!

And my 2 cents…love this trade as well. Curiously, I haven’t seen anything from “Fire Frank Wren”

nashvillewill

November 17th, 2010
9:28 am

Nooooooo. You don’t trade your best player (co-best with Prado). At least I don’t. And Uggla is a defensive liability at 2B; the Braves should work to improve defense first, hitting second. So I don’t like this move but thought they might try to move Infante for some reason. He didn’t get the love from the Braves that I thought he deserved. Also, Dunn is a potential star reliever. So I disagree with pundits who think the Braves got the better deal.
One other thing–the Braves track record for signing expensive players to long-term deals is terrible. So this may turn into a one-year rental player (Again!) in exchange for your best player (who could have been signed to a longer deal for much less than what Uggla will command) and a potential pitching star.
Not a good deal. In fact a terrrible one.

Glenn Hubbard

November 17th, 2010
9:28 am

I’m not concerned about Prado playing LF. Hell, he can’t be any worse than Diaz and Hinske. I really wish the Braves could bite the bullet and get rid of McNothing and get a new center fielder.

Anyone hiring 1B coaches????

george

November 17th, 2010
9:30 am

DOB…I hope you, and those with like thoughts, are still this elated next October. I suppose I am one of the “ignorant 25%”, but I still don’t like the deal. My mind keeps going back to the 2008 All-Star game where Mr Uggla distinguished himself by going 0-4 at the plate (twice in crucial situations) and setting an All-Star game record for errors…three (3) in ONLY SEVEN CHANCES. It could have been worse had it not been for the official scorer’s generosity. And, he wants more than 14 million for 5 years to sign. Sounds like a good deal to me…why don’t we just go out and sign Manny.

DostaDawg

November 17th, 2010
9:31 am

Now all the braves need is another arm in the bullpen, trade for B.j. Upton, and resign Hinske and nothing will stop them from being the world series champs!!! Go Bravos!!!

@WreckBuZZ

November 17th, 2010
9:32 am

You know what…this reminds me of the trade the Braves made last year with the Yankees which ironically included Mike Dunn.

The Braves needed payroll flexibility so they tried to trade Derek Lowe, but found no takers. So they were forced to move Javy Vasquez after a great season, and got Melky Cabrera and Mike Dunn.

The Braves got Uggla and the Marlins got Infante and Dunn.

The difference is that the Braves also got Arodys Vizcaino, who is really the valuable part of that trade. I’m shocked that Florida wasn’t able to get at least a prospect out of the deal.

Bigwheel

November 17th, 2010
9:41 am

Hey dave thanks for the nuggets at 2am. Completely thrilled we landed this guy, uggggggla. Hes going to really help this team out driving in some runs, our middle of the line up is philliesqe. He seems to be an all or nothing sort of guy. Youd have to think a every so often stikeout with RISP is better than the ever giving 6 4 3’s weve been getting the last 2 1/2 seasons out of our RH bopper. Dont think well be meeting his contract demands but atleast we can enjoy it while it lasts

george

November 17th, 2010
9:45 am

Wendy…If you’re still hanging around, go back and read my earlier post. Nowhere in that post does it say, or imply, that I’m smarter because of my age. I was making the point that I’ve seen many of these deals before that did not work out like everyone thought. Anyone ever hear of “the next Henry Aaron” (AKA Brad Komminsk)? He spend most of two seasons (limited in two others) and hit a total of 12 home runs, with a batting average of .227 and below. In his 8 seasons in the bigs he hit 23 home runs and batted a whopping .218.

Kerry

November 17th, 2010
9:48 am

Yeah Nashville let’s just keep the same team as last year and scramble again to make the wild card in the last day of the season.. If y’all love Infante that much go to Florida they have plenty of seats for u!!! Infante had 1 great year.. The previous 2 years he spent alot of time of the DL.. Plus did anyone of you see Infante in game 1 of NLDS when he cost us the game of his lack of ability to get a ground ball that he knows he should have made!! You can’t make errors if u can’t get to the ball!!!! That should have been an error but how the rule states it wasn’t!!!! Hey DOB did u ask Wren about Andruw Jones yet??

jhughes

November 17th, 2010
9:51 am

I like this quote i found…
Uggla plays second base. He’s not great defensively, but as one scout said Tuesday, “He’s a Gold Glove second baseman — when he’s in the batter’s box.”

Flo-Ri-Duh!

November 17th, 2010
9:57 am

This team lacks defense (terrible last year) and speed and this trade did not help either. What good is scoring 4 runs a game if the other team scores 5? Prado will probably end up at 3rd but he can’t replace Chipper’s defense. Uggla at 2nd will be a defensive downgrade and there is only one decent defensive player in the outfield (Hayward).

Chaos

November 17th, 2010
9:57 am

Great move! but now let’s concentrate on some speed at lead off and defense overall, we need to be able to create runs when the team is in a slump…..

Robbie

November 17th, 2010
9:59 am

Uggla is great…., but losing Omar is going to hurt. He was a spark plug for the team in his consistent playing. Gonna miss him.

TDub

November 17th, 2010
10:00 am

Every time I want to get depressed about the state of humanity and our collective intelligence, I just open up this blog. It’s better than mixing Joy Division and Nyquil.

On another note per backup CF – he’s not a good hitter but maybe Tony Gwynn Jr. if the Padres release him? Gives us speed too…

Retired Soldier

November 17th, 2010
10:00 am

Love the trade! Uggla will be a great addition. We did give up alot but got alot in return. I wish the Braves would play Uggla in LF and keep Prado at 2B. Prado is an excellent fielder and Uggla is just serviceable at best. Still a great trade for the Braves.

NORRIS

November 17th, 2010
10:07 am

We still need an outfielder. IF Chipper doesnt come back we still need two outfielders.

T.C

November 17th, 2010
10:08 am

Yep its a good trade but the question is,will he be in a braves uniform after the 2011 season? if he don’t then this trade would be terrible getting rid of omar and dunn.

NORRIS

November 17th, 2010
10:14 am

I would imagine that the salary chipper has been making will be off the books after next year and that money will go to locking Uggla down with us for many years to come.

Jack

November 17th, 2010
10:17 am

My first thought was that this is a good deal. Uggla is a talent, and we needed the power.

My second thought was what do we do with Prado? I investigated and found that Prado is being moved to left field, where he played in the Venezuelan league I believe.

Prado was moved to third last season and struggled defensively. I am not sure how a move to the outfield is going to work out, although he was a utility player before the permanent move to second base.

My feeling is that Prado was leading the world in hits, for much of the 2010 season. He was a constant for much of the season while most every other position either struggled or fought through injury. He played a solid second base, and performed well anywhere you put him in the lineup. Prado is the main reason we made the post-season. I think he deserves to own second base.

What if Prado struggles defensively in LF, like he did at 3B? This team needed fine tuning, not blowing up.

If Prado excels at LF, then I my worries are for nought. However if he struggles defensively, and then his hitting is affected, then… Well, I guess the wisdom of this move remains to be seen.

GwinnettDad

November 17th, 2010
10:18 am

@David O’Brien – understood about the young talent. If Uggla wouldn’t sign for 48 million for four years with Florida, what are the chances of him being with the Braves for more than one year? Again, the Braves will end up with nothing. That’s the point.

NORRIS

November 17th, 2010
10:19 am

Word is that Prado is playing left field in winter ball. If Garrett Anderson can play it then Prado surely can.

TDub

November 17th, 2010
10:27 am

/sticks head in blender

Jack

November 17th, 2010
10:28 am

Not sure if this was mentioned among the 737 comments, but Uggla played under Fredi in Florida. I believe Uggla’s signability was thoroughly discussed with Fredi, (and perhaps Uggla, shhhh), before the deal was consummated. I think we’ll have a good chance at signing Uggla.

NORRIS, I agree. When Prado was moved to third last season, he didn’t have a whole lot of time to prepare for it. That was my thought at the time, also. A winter of adjusting to left field might be enough for the flexible Prado. In that case, this was a great deal. Like DOB said in a comment, Dunn was third on the bullpen depth chart.

Never have seen a comment on Prado’s arm one way or the other. That is also a consideration.

Fire Frank Wren

November 17th, 2010
10:28 am

Trading away Infante and the best bullpen lefty, both of whom could be here at reasonable prices for 4 to 5 years for a 1-year mercenary? Does anyone remember the Mark Teixiera trade? This is the same thing.

Can you imagine the Braves if we still had Neftali Perez (who just won AL Rookie of the Year), Elvis Andrus, and Salty?

The Braves will regret this when Uggla leaves for the $$$ a year from now. He already turned down 4 years $48 million. The Braves won’t offer him more than that.

PMC

November 17th, 2010
10:30 am

Awesome! Uggla will be gold in the middle of the lineup.

Who leads off now?

Andrew

November 17th, 2010
10:31 am

@Fire Frank Wren Youre right, Gwinnett could use another catcher. Salty would have been perfect for that!

In Fredi I Trust

November 17th, 2010
10:31 am

Wow, how could any TRUE Braves fan be bashing this trade? Where do I start on this?

1. We traded away a very good UTILITY player who himself will be a free agent after the 2011 season and committed only 2 errors less then Uggla did and he started pretty much every game. So what does that tell me? It tells me that Infante messed up in the field just as many times as Uggla did with FAR LESS chances to mess up.

2. We gave away a LH reliever that was not even originally in our system, and who didn’t immediately start in the big leagues with us anyways. What did Dunn have last year, 18-20 innings the entire year? We have Venters and O’Flaherty anyways. Dunn was hardly untouchable.

3. Sure Infante his .320 last year, but many of those hits came with nobody on, or nobody in scoring position. Uggla hit what .288? He also had 30+ HR’s and over 100 RBI’s. Imagine what an extra 60+ runs would have done for this Braves team last year? That could have been the difference between Division Champs and the 2nd place that we finished.

Point being, this was a great trade in every sense of the word. Uggla will have an opportunity to drive in 120 RBI’s next season, and if he is placed in between a healthy Chipper and Mac, it will increase the numbers of those guys as well. If Uggla walks after the 2011 season, then we get 2 draft picks whereas if we kept Infante and he walked, we get nothing. How can anyone bash this trade? Unreal.

PMC

November 17th, 2010
10:32 am

The Vasquez trade seems a lot more sexy already when they got a few quality innings out of Mike Dunn and now they have Uggla.

I’ll miss Infante, I liked him a lot.

coach13

November 17th, 2010
10:34 am

THis is exactly what we needed. Infante was a great player for us but we needed a 30/100 guy, period, and got one.

DOB- any chance we still go after Kemp, Upton, or Ellsbury or are we done?????

PMC

November 17th, 2010
10:34 am

This is also huge in that Mac can move down in the line up some and maybe get more rest as we have David Ross who is pretty excellent too.

Open; Prado; Heyward; Uggla; Mac

or Prado; Heyward; Chipper; Uggla; Mac…

Is pretty sexy yes?

timthebrave

November 17th, 2010
10:35 am

Wren just needs to add some good bench people and wait to see what happens with chipper. He might need to do some wheeling and dealing at the end. Would love to see Braves get some help for the outfield on the cheap. I wonder if there is a veteran hitter with a little pop that could fill this role….Love the move…Go Braves!!

nelson

November 17th, 2010
10:35 am

I believe that the change was perfect, if you change to infante and dunn for uggla but to turn the braves acquire ..that is super . now as close to the braves serious search for a CF to help someone quick .I do not believe that have the money to crawford although serious the player perfect for atlanta , quick , good contact em order , but also the braves have to look for someone to help to steal bases and legitimate first bat can no longer be experiencing.

kaygeeone

November 17th, 2010
10:35 am

Infante for Uggla…another stupid move by Wren.

timthebrave

November 17th, 2010
10:36 am

Everyone liked Infante but the Braves are better today than they were yesterday….

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
10:40 am

coach13: they’re not done, but not going to be any moves as big as Upton, Kemp, Ellsbury. Not unless things change and they unexpectedly shed a big salary or another player currently projected to be in lineup.

nelson

November 17th, 2010
10:41 am

Fire Frank Wren , you are very pessimistic , this GM is not the john schuerholtz , this kept the minor leagues of the braves intact and if you want grab something good you have to give something good , uggla is a tremendous player who tells you to you that will not sign for some years more , there are $$$$ myfriend in atlanta ,Atlanta has money , bet that uggla sera signed by some years more and more than the florida marlins he wanted offer . also recalls that chipper jones this at the edge of the withdrawal.

fastasballs

November 17th, 2010
10:41 am

It’s impossible not to like this deal. Maybe it’s too good because I don’t recall such a one sided deal this early in the off season.

Even if Infante has a career yetar for the Marlins it would not match an average or below average year from Uggla. If he’s only here for the season the Braves will get two high draft picks. If they extend him they have that power bat for years to come.

Dunn is not even on the radar as far as a prospect. He’s not closer material or even set up material.

Wren did not have to part with ANY prospect to fill a HUGE need. That’s amazing if you think about it. The team doesn’t have the money to sign a Crawford or Werth. Trading was the only option to fill that need & one that most Braves fans thought would result in giving up some of the top prospects. I didn’t see any way around it to be honest.

I can’t believe anyone would compare this deal to the Tex/Drew deals.

Marc in FL

November 17th, 2010
10:44 am

Infante was a personal fav, but we needed power badly, this will help a lot with that. Uggla also seems to own Turner Field, maybe he will shine with us.

count_schemula

November 17th, 2010
10:44 am

“Uggla, 30, is a two-time All-Star who just turned down the Marlins’ four-year, $48 million extension offer.”

It’s not that I don’t like this trade, it’s just that I wonder what it means from a philosophy standpoint. The BA and the strikeouts are a concern, but not unusual in a power hitter. Does he work the count? I don’t really know about that aspect of his game. I can’t help but wonder, for the amount of money Uggla is going to want as a FA, if throwing somewhat more money at a Carl Crawford is not a better move since our infield defense would be better with Prado and Infante and Crawford would add some speed, BA and some power. I’d take a lighter hitting better fielding infield and look to get my power from my outfield, especially with a team built on pitching. The Uggla trade is basically asking our starting pitchers to work out of one more jam per start. I do like the trade, but it means living with Uggla at 2nd base for maybe 5 years. I’ve seen balls bounce off of him on their way to right field. I’m sure he has heart, but as much as heart wants to field the ball, heart can’t fix hands of stone. I do like the trade, it’s just that I really value defense in my national league game. That said, it is a pretty weak FA class this year and Crawford is a nice piece, not a god.

Chief Pitchanono

November 17th, 2010
10:46 am

This is by far the best move the Wren could possibly have made, under the circumstances. He is in a real tough position because of the chipper situation. Chipper is a complete question mark other than the fact that he will take up a huge chunk of the payroll. No team on a limited budget like the Braves would want to be in this situation. Wren was really backed into a corner and too be able to pull off a move like this is like a game winning grandslam in the bottom of the ninth. Thanks Marlins! Yes we gave up some great talent, but its hard to believe that another team would not have offered more. Then you factor in that they are a rival, it makes the deal even more unbelieveable. Great job Wren! This gives the Braves a real good offense, with or without chipper as long as heyward keeps progressing and freeman has a decent rookie year.( I believe both will be do fine.) Need to add some affordable depth at centerfield, just in case Mclouth struggles again, (possible, but doubtful, I excpect him to get it turned around, he’s in his prime and he’s hit before) but a cheap backup never hurts. If Mclouth just pulls his weight our outfield will be greatly improved with Prado and Heyward out there with him. Can’t wait for spring training!

Fan in RIC

November 17th, 2010
10:47 am

A consideration in re: Uggla’s defense: he played home games in Sun Life Stadium (or whatever its nom du jour is), where players were constantly plagued by poor weather and fielding conditions. Not to mention the field is shared with the Miami Dolphins, and anyone who remembers Fulton County Stadium can attest to the poor fielding conditions there. While Uggla’s defense will likely not rise to the form of Roberto Alomar, I bet it improves a good bit next season when he plays on the well-manicured Turner Field.

BC10

November 17th, 2010
10:50 am

My favorite thing I heard was when Wren called up Freddie and said “What do you thing about getting Uggla for Infante and Dunn?” and Freddie said “Yea! How many prospects do we have to give them?” NONE!!!

JReeves

November 17th, 2010
10:50 am

DOB, Have a question about the bench……as it currently sits, here are the projections:

B.Conrad (S) – 2B/3B/PH $425,000
Joe Mather (R) – 1B/3B/OF/PH $400,000
Ross (R) – C $1.625
4th Outfielder
Backup Middle Infield/SS

The question is where does Hinske or Diaz fit???? In my estimation neither one of them seems to fit what the bench needs. We need to spend the remaining budget on our 4th outfielder with Mclouth being such a question mark. Besides that we need a SS option that we lost in trading away Infante. I can’t see any way that Diaz or Hinske make sense, unless it is Hinske vs Mather in spring training. Thoughts???????

willie

November 17th, 2010
10:53 am

Everyone needs to stop complaining about losing Omar. He was great this season, but he clearly had a career year and he is a free agent after next season anyway. 30 HRs in each of the last 4 years for a 2nd baseman….are you kidding me? This is a guy they will definitely look to lock up. Great trade!

count_schemula

November 17th, 2010
10:53 am

In a lot of ways, the trade is a no brainer, but I’m just wondering if this is us making our one allowed move under the Liberty regime (the CEO made more than the whole team) if there was really no way to use straight cash to sign a Crawford, keep the whole team intact, and wait for Chipper and KK and McOut to come off the books. Winning = cash. It’s also about having out corner outfielders locked up for the first time in a long time. Then we could run lighter hitting decent fielding (Blanco? oh, wait, we gave him away) players in CF. Uggla can hit, no question, but the question is, what does this do to our pitching and defense, especially if we keep him for 5 years. The Giants got it done with Renteria, Sanchez and Uribe. They really got it done with defense and pitching.

Bob the Blogger

November 17th, 2010
10:57 am

Statistically, Uggla has been pretty bad at 2B, and the Braves were near the bottom of fielding percentage in the NL already. On the other hand, Prado was becoming a pretty good second baseman. I would like to see Uggla be the one to move to LF, then concentrate on a super CF, if something can be done with McClouth. Good teams are usually strong defensively up the middle, and McCann, Uggla, and McLouth don’t exactly fit that description.

I still like the trade, however, and am becoming a bigger fan of Frank Wren’s by the week.

count_schemula

November 17th, 2010
10:58 am

The reason this makes Crawford more of a possibility (in hindsight) is because people are talking about locking up hands of Uggla long term. If you are going to go 5/60 on Uggla, you might as well go 8/100 on Crawford.

count_schemula

November 17th, 2010
10:59 am

I don’t think Uggla can play LF. He’s build like a truck, and moves like Pete Incaviglia.

Bill M.

November 17th, 2010
11:00 am

rainman376toothpicks— Why don’t you take your teeth out and pick them. Did you even read what I said. I said if if if they sign Uggla explore trading Prado for OF with speed and power. I know his salary is not great but it would be nice to have some speed in Of.

feartheBraves

November 17th, 2010
11:08 am

I’d hate to see them trade Prado – but the fact Wren filled his spot at 2B has me a little worried. Would Wren be crazy enough to trade Prado? I’m sure we could get a good, speedy OF in return – but Prado is such an important part of this team – Wren wouldn’t consider trading him, would he?

jim

November 17th, 2010
11:10 am

The Braves got the RH power bat they needed, although the defense is compromised a bit. The Marlins did not fair as poorly as some on the blog are suggesting either. Their combined move was to sign John Buck for 3 year at 6 million/year plus add Infante and Dunn. The payroll for the marlins will be about the same, but they add 20 HRs at catcher, better defense at 2B and another 8-12 HRs there, and get an 8th/9th inning arm for their pen. They get 3 useful regulars for the price of 1. They will more than make up for Uggla’s power with a full year of Mike Stanton plus Buck. They are still a formidable contender in the division.

bill

November 17th, 2010
11:11 am

DOB,
Do you think the Braves would ever consider making Jeff Francoeur an offer to come in as the 4th outfielder? He’s got more power than Diaz and Hinske, and is a great defensive outfielder and could easily play any of the outfield positions. With his and Jason’s arms out there, no one would be running on the Braves.

myra

November 17th, 2010
11:19 am

Its tough because Omar has played his way into maybe being our best utility guy eva. But, another 25+ HRs?…..you gotta be feeling happy about that. Also, Dan Uggla IS an Atlanta Braves type of guy. Its a perfect fit.
Now its up too Roger McDowell and our pitching coaches down the organization to turn these potential phenom pitchers into lights out World Series champions. Lets go!

p.s. Shout out to KRIS MEDLEN: keep gettin stronger kid.

jim

November 17th, 2010
11:28 am

The gorrila in the room here is Chipper. Will Prado play LF, 3B, some 2B or back up 1B? If Prado is to be our LF, he needs to go there and stay there — same if he is to be the 3B. Prado will not improve defensively at any of the new positions if he is to become the new Infante. He is an all-star and he deserves a position. The other thing that is being overlooked here is what is a semi-healthy Chipper able to contribute. A 270, 18 HR, 80 RBI season with adequate defense would be an improvement over the numbers he was putting up over the last 2 years before the injury. One year older and recovering from reconstructive surgery does he even have these numbers in him? Even if the answer is yes, these are not the numbers needed from a 3-hitter If the answer is no, then we are missing an opportunity to fill another roster spot and possibly playing people out of position to accommodate an old fan favorite. If we knew right now that Chipper either could not be ready to play or to be able to play to a minimal standard, then we could go after the likes of an Alex Gordon to play 3B, or an Ordonez or Upton to play LF and resolve the roles for our bench players. As of now the lineup is not set and the need for another regular or for an additional bench player instead is in flux.

Gary O

November 17th, 2010
11:29 am

It’s funny to see some of the comments on here from bloggers. They make it sound like this is the JD Drew or the Tex deal all over again.

They make it sound like Infante was an all star everyday starter (and not a utility guy) who we had under control for multiple years, or that the 25 year old Mike Dunn was going to develop into an all-star closer.

Relax people. Uggla can be penciled in for 25 HRs, 30 doubles, and 90 RBIs, which he has done for 5 years in a row (unlike Nate who had one really good year).

Think of what his presence does for the rest of the lineup. If Chipper hits in front of him, they have to pitch to Chipper.

We left a lot of men on base last year because we couldn’t get 3 hits in an inning to drive them in. Now, one bad pitch to Uggla can lead to one run.

I understand those who have concerns about his defense and his strikeouts. Those are legit concerns.

But to make it sound like Infante (a career backup and free agent in 2011, just like Uggla) and Dunn were too much to give up for a right handed power hitter? I could not disagree more.

James

November 17th, 2010
11:30 am

In Fredi I Trust

November 17th, 2010
11:30 am

Not to mention that we just weakened a division rival in the process. We just took away a HR threat from their lineup and added him to ours. How can that not be a great move?

Curt

November 17th, 2010
11:32 am

DOB, the Braves have several options for starting pitching past the top 3. Any indication the Braves might deal JJ?

Slowhiteguy

November 17th, 2010
11:34 am

This isn’t a good trade, this is a great trade. I am still in shock that Beinfest pulled the trigger on this prior to the winter meetings. Unreal. If the Braves don’t sign Uggla to a long term deal, they simply offer arbitration and take the two picks. Incredible deal for Atlanta. Wren should be nothing but commended.

fastasballs

November 17th, 2010
11:34 am

Wren’s hands are tied as far as spending a ton of money on free agents right now so I’m very happy with Uggla. Bargain price if you ask me.

In the next few years a lot of cash will free up when Chipper hangs them up & Lowe’s contract is done. Some of that will probably go to extensions/raises for a number of players, but will still leave plenty to spend.

Also I’d look for JJ to be traded at some point, not this year, but next off season. If Minor, Teheran & Delgado continue to progress I’d say it’s a given. He will bring a bit in return if he can have a solid season. Had he been injury free this season he may have been moved this off season.

The Braves a loaded with pitching & with Wren protecting the young guys I’d say we have a solid rotation for years to come. JJ will command some serious cash & with Boras as his agent I’d say Wren moves him at some point. Hanson will be the one they go after to lock up long term IMO.

Thanksgiving

November 17th, 2010
11:34 am

feartheBraves

Fear not. The Marlins wanted Martin, but Wren sadin no way. They settled for Infante instead.

Slowhiteguy

November 17th, 2010
11:37 am

Also, something else to keep in mind. The Braves more than likely would have received NOTHING when Omar left after next season.

kwajbraves

November 17th, 2010
11:38 am

Good trade but I hope the McLouth is up to the task because He will have to cover a lot of ground to make up for the lack of range of Prado or Uggla. I feel that we still another player away to take over the Phils. The Marlins are the only team that can give away a 31 HR hitter and not miss him too much. They still have a couple of mashers in their line up.

Daren in Utah

November 17th, 2010
11:48 am

I really like this trade, though I will miss Infante’s consistent quality at-bats next year.

All players strike out. All players make errors. Some K or E more than others. Over the course of a season, I think Uggla’s bat and fielding will far outweigh his strikeout or error numbers.

Minnie's Squirrel

November 17th, 2010
11:48 am

I’d invite Andruw Jones to spring training and let him compete with McOut for the CF job. Them Jones boys used to best bad boys together !

TDub

November 17th, 2010
11:50 am

From Keith Law on ESPN today:

“Bad day to be a Florida Marlins fan. First the team gives away one of its best trading assets, then it gives a multiyear deal to a catcher who should have been happy with just one…

“The Marlins almost come off as determined to spite Uggla by cutting off their own noses. In the deal, they acquire Omar Infante, who has one year left before free agency like Uggla, and Mike Dunn, a hard-throwing but hilariously wild left-handed reliever who might figure something out over the next five years but is probably just as likely to blow out his arm, especially since he’s a converted position player. He throws a fastball offset with a slider, but since both pitches move in toward right-handed hitters, they get a good look at the ball and will hit Dunn hard unless he starts commanding his fastball. His arm action is long but not violent or difficult to repeat, so there’s no obvious mechanical reason he couldn’t throw more strikes. Infante had a fluke year driven entirely by batting average; he can play a few positions but has no business as a starter on a contending club. He’ll earn $2.5 million — or about $7 million less than Uggla — but he’ll be worth 3-4 wins less on the field.

“In this instance, at least, the Marlins won’t get what they don’t pay for.”

Easy But Sleezy

November 17th, 2010
11:50 am

Yeah Minnie’s, McOut is the weakest link by far now ! He hits .186 and misjudges fly balls…

Gary O

November 17th, 2010
11:55 am

bill,

Frenchy wants to play everyday. That’s one of the problems he had in NY, because he was platooning, so he demanded a trade.

I dont think Braves want to deal with him and his complaints.

Trader Jack

November 17th, 2010
11:56 am

Why not invite Barry Bonds to spring training ? Put Barry in LF,Heyward in CF and Prado in RF. I bet Barry could still hit .285 30 100.

Trader Jack

November 17th, 2010
11:58 am

What about trading Lowe for Kemp or Upton, DOB ?

Innocent Bystander

November 17th, 2010
12:00 pm

Let’s hope for good years from D Lowe and Huddy again this year. If Huddy matches even 80% of his performance last year and D Lowe can regain what he was doing in September, we may have one of the most well-rounded teams in baseball.

LD

November 17th, 2010
12:00 pm

DOB,

You made the argument that Uggla’s lackluster defense isn’t really a concern because we’ll be upgrading defensively with Prado in LF and Freeman at 1B.

Just to clarify, are you really saying that Freeman in his rookie season is going to be a better defender than Derrek Lee? Really?

Speech Impaired

November 17th, 2010
12:02 pm

Hey me you thank I will get him sum more balls four hims hittin cages ?
Very gooder plus nicer tradings him Wren did its.

Speech Impaired

November 17th, 2010
12:04 pm

Why you invited Don Sutton two bees thems mops up pitching ?

jim

November 17th, 2010
12:04 pm

Who knows what moves the Philliews will make this off-season, but if they were to lose Werth and stand pat, replacing him with Dominic Brown, they would all be 1 year older (Ibanez, Polanco, Howard, Rollins, Oswalt especially) and would miss a key RH bat in their lineup. They would appear to be starting on the down turn. The Marlins lineup of Coghlan, Infante, Ramirez, Morrison, Stanton, Sanchez, Buck, Dominguez? + P is scary — as scary or more so than the Phillies, and they have Johnson, Nolasco, and A. Sanchez heading their rotation, but still have issues in the pen. The Nats seem a year away, waiting for Strasburg to return, but have talent coming into place and seem ready to be players in the FA market. The Mets are still the Mets, but should begin to improve under new leadership. The Braves have added the RH bat they have lacked, but the bullpen depth is not as solid as last year with the departure of Wagner, Saito, and Dunn, and the injury to Medlen. There is a lot of additional pressure on two young relievers. The Chipper question and the McLouth contract inhibit the ability of the team to add the missing parts it needs to compete on stronger terms within a strong division. Those 2 issues should be resolved in 2012 and Heyward and Freeman will have had a year or two of experience. It is imperative that we sign Uggla for multiple years, because 2012 and 2013 should be the years we will field our most competetive team with the most realistic chance of winning it all.

count_schemula

November 17th, 2010
12:05 pm

The gorilla in the room is not Chipper, it’s McOut and KK. Chipper is not worth his current contract, but that’s not what this current Chipper contract is about. The people who just want to throw Chipper out with the trash is just astounding to me.

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
12:05 pm

Just to clarify, are you really saying that Freeman in his rookie season is going to be a better defender than Derrek Lee? Really? — LD

No, not better than D-Lee, whom the Braves had for about six weeks. But many times better than Glaus, whom they had at first base for more than four months.

sportsmandh

November 17th, 2010
12:06 pm

Denizens,

I think the Marlins willingness to trade Uggla without a prospect being part of the deal may come from the owner. No doubt Hanley Ramirez is the owners golden child. This is probably part of the reason Gonzalez was fired so early in the season not long after the Hanley loafing incident and their record wasn’t even that bad. The owner is pampering Hanley. If you will recall at the time, some of the Marlins players were not happy either with Hanley’s loafing, supportive of the way Fredi handled things. I am willing to bet Uggla was very much in the anti-Hanley attitude camp. So the owner already knows Uggla is not resignable, and also wants to build around Hanley. So Uggla is expendable from his perspective probably, regardless of what prospects he gets. Does anybody think the Marlins management gives a flip about what the rest of baseball thinks about them? They don’t care, and they weren’t keeping Uggla. So they made the trade. It’s probably about that simple.

jim

November 17th, 2010
12:08 pm

I think DOB is saying that Freeman is a better defender than Sanchez or Cantu.

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
12:09 pm

I think the Marlins willingness to trade Uggla without a prospect being part of the deal may come from the owner. No doubt Hanley Ramirez is the owners golden child. This is probably part of the reason Gonzalez was fired so early in the season not long after the Hanley loafing incident and their record wasn’t even that bad. The owner is pampering Hanley. — sportsmandh

Agreed on the owner part. But I tend to think it was more about the owner being perturbed that Uggla quickly turned down their four-year, $48 mill offer and asked for five years, $71 mill ($1 mill more than Hanley got).

Owner, who’s made plenty of knee-jerk sort of decisions before, probably told Beinfest to get whatever he could for Uggla and dump him now. I mean, otherwise there’s no reason they couldn’t have waited at least till Winter Meetings and gotten more for Uggla.

count_schemula

November 17th, 2010
12:11 pm

The other dark part of this trade is the need to use medium to big money to tie up Uggla (30years old) to a longer term deal. Look at how fast Utley deteriorated defensively this year.

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
12:13 pm

Count: Utley was hurt this year.

sportsmandh

November 17th, 2010
12:16 pm

DOB,

Any chance the Braves may look at offering Saito a new incentive laden contract? Or another veteran reliever to add some bullpen depth?

count_schemula

November 17th, 2010
12:17 pm

Yes, but in the playoff, he was awful looking.

Spud Webb

November 17th, 2010
12:19 pm

Fire Frank Wren,
yea, we’re really missing salty. He’s tore up both leagues since he left hasn’t he? He’s in boston working on THROWING THE BALL BACK TO THE PITCHER.

BravePack

November 17th, 2010
12:26 pm

DOB

Have you talked to Wren about what he might be thinking as far as a timeline for talking about and getting an extension worked out? I know Uggla is on some kind of tour now but his agent probably isn’t so they could still talk. Many are saying not to lock him up but Uggla has been consistent for many years now and we need that power in our line-up for years to come with Chipper leaving soon. I feel Uggla has put up the numbers in this league so why not give him the money he’s worth. We’ve needed the right handed power bat for years now and now that we have it we should try and keep him here. Great clubhouse guy who works hard, puts up consistent power numbers, and by all accounts wants to be in Atlanta. Great trade Frank despite what many bloggers are saying, but those are the same who would never be happy anyway so who cares.

dpelfrey

November 17th, 2010
12:27 pm

Guys, this scenario is a win any way you look at it. We didn’t give up any prospects. The $10 million Uggla will get is more affordable than any other free agent. The Braves have $14 million coming off the books next year (McLouth & Kawakami) and about $40 million more in 2012, so the money is there to sign him long-term if he has a good year for the Braves. Even if they don’t resign him, he’ll probably be a type A free agent next year and we’ll get draft picks. In that scenario, the offical trade becomes Infante & Dunn for one year of Uggla and a first round pick. WIN WIN WIN!!!!

Guys, this is the best case scenario all of us were talking about a month ago, filling the hole of a right-handed power hitter without giving up any key prospects.

G Bravo

November 17th, 2010
12:30 pm

This will only be a good trade if the Braves sign Him to a long term contract. If not it will another trade like the Texas trade.

Choppinmama

November 17th, 2010
12:41 pm

Dan, Dan, he’s our man, if he can’t do it, no one can. Welcome to the ATL, Ugly.

If Chipper only plays one or two more years, maybe that will open up payroll room to sign Danny Boy to something long term after 2011. He’ll also be in a good comfort zone playing for Freddi. I say, “welcome to the Owl.” Hate to see it cost us Infante, but it was definitely worth doing.

A big Atlanta Braves rasberry to the Marlins – you wuz robbed.

NORRIS

November 17th, 2010
12:42 pm

I dont understand why we still are not going after an outfielder. I mean lets think logically. Even if chipper comes back he does not play every day.
We need an outfielder!

Rock

November 17th, 2010
12:45 pm

The Braves are going to miss Omar Infante.

Desperado

November 17th, 2010
12:46 pm

Now batting for Atlanta, number E4, Dan Uggla.

jim

November 17th, 2010
12:46 pm

Count,

McLouth is a drain on salary, but he is not “owed” a roster spot. He could be relegated to the bench by a cheap alternative like a Hall or Matt Young that would otherwise be a utillity player. Chipper IS penciled in at 3B. The Braves cannot go get a regular 3Bman or LFer that they would need if Chipper is unable to go or produce. They would have to make do with a Hinske/Diaz/Mather type of option for LF as well as a McLouth option in CF in that case.

Slowhiteguy

November 17th, 2010
12:47 pm

To compare this trade to the Texas trade is extremely myopic.

bravesfaninNashville

November 17th, 2010
12:49 pm

Brilliant move….. especially so early in the offseason. FW had to act fast as there would have been competition to get Uggla from other teams. We gave up a REALLY GOOD utility player in Omar and I loved his approach to hitting for sure. But we win either way you look at it IMHO because if Omar signs elsewhere as a free agent next fall we lose him anyway and if he wants to play for the Braves we can resign him next year. If we lose Uggla to FA we get two high picks because he’ll be a Type A free agent. My hunch is we sign Uggla to an extension before spring training and we’ll have a shot to sign Omar next fall. Thank you Frank Wren…. Awesome move and job overall.. By the way this turns the move for Vasquez into a one year rental of Melky, a help in landing Dan Uggla, a very promising Vizcaino on the horizon and a three year extension of Tim Hudson. I still can’t believe anyone is complaining about the Vasquez deal especially after the year he had for the Yankees and the year Hudson had for the Braves for $2 million dollars less than we would have paid Vasquez. Frank Wren you are a smart man….

ramblingman

November 17th, 2010
12:49 pm

Everyone who says this is (or could be) like the Texiera trade only reveal themselves to have zero knowledge on the inner workings and intricacies of baseball, and that they are merely the types who live by the sound bite. They’ll repeat something ad nauseum without bothering to attempt to understand it.

Rowland Office

November 17th, 2010
12:50 pm

In 45 games at Turner Field, he has hit .354 with 12 homers and a 1.051 OPS.
I’ll take that over a full season. The souith Fla people are NOT happy about this trade. So all you Atlanta fans should be very excited. If it is possible to weigh out a trade before they play, all the stories I have read and heard have all said the same thing… The Braves won this trade.

bravesfaninNashville

November 17th, 2010
12:57 pm

I have a question….. Now that the Braves have Dan Uggla would you trade him to the Marlins for Omar Infante and Mike Dunn? I wouldn’t even think about that trade..

count_schemula

November 17th, 2010
1:03 pm

This works both ways, I hope. We do owe Chipper this comeback. But he’s 39 and had to watch the playoff run and playoffs from the dugout. He said he would not, but is pulling a mild Farvre. If Chipper can’t produce, I hope he has the good sense to step aside and take a deal much like what Bonilla did with the Mets. Regardless, I think this is his last year and they (and we) will have to live with that and then redo this deal so he can retire a Brave. After this year, even he has to know it’s over.

Fols

November 17th, 2010
1:23 pm

Chipper is not even close to pulling a Favre….he’s just been coming back without the drama. Not fair to start that BS.

Uggla is going to be sweet in our line-up, I will sac fielding errors for that kind of production at 2B.

REALLY could use a speedy lead-off hitter in CF and our line-up is set. Very excited for this coming year already.

Not sure how this Prado/Jones 3B/LF is going to pan out? I just want a regular everyday line-up for a change. I’m getting sick of the platoon. I never want to see a platoon again. I don’t even like the word platoon.

…platoon…okay last one!

BILL MAIER

November 17th, 2010
1:25 pm

Wow unbelivable. i guess you cant please everyone.. This is a fantastic move a bench player for us next year if he stayed- infante, and our third best left hander out of the bullpen– look at Dunns inherited runners scored it is huge–for a 30 home run 90 or more rbis every year and a hard nose player with a great clubhouse prescence. Many of you are forgetting we should have chippers money after this year and lowes in 2012 — enough to pay Uggla. Those who are complaining did your really watch last year? Just what we needed a power bat without giving up the farm as in the past.

BILL MAIER

November 17th, 2010
1:26 pm

lowes after 2012 sorry—

count_schemula

November 17th, 2010
1:26 pm

I called it a mild Farve, in that, he said he would know when to step down, and that time will be BEFORE this contract expires. He can’t be our 3b at 41 years old. He has to be thinking about what criteria it will take for him to approach the Braves and ask for the Bonilla restructure.

NORRIS

November 17th, 2010
1:31 pm

IF Prado is at 3rd then who is in left and center?

Threadkiller

November 17th, 2010
1:31 pm

I really like this trade! Plus it leaves the door open for another possible trade!

count_schemula

November 17th, 2010
1:33 pm

Right now, Prado is in LF.

Brainiac

November 17th, 2010
1:34 pm

Yeah, as DOB said Utley & Rollins were both hurt this year. That’s 40 to 50 homeruns and two all-stars that will be back next year.

Chase

November 17th, 2010
1:36 pm

@ cajun, i like what ur thinkin but uhm, we wont get crawford, we are interested ellsbury though so just switch him out with carl, but ur lineup is retarded.
1. Ellsbury
2. Prado
3. Chipper
4. Uggla
5. Bmac
6. Heyward
7. Alex
8. Freddie

Brainiac

November 17th, 2010
1:36 pm

If Julio Franco can be a Brave at 45 years-old why can’t Barry Bonds be a Braves at 40 years-old ? Wren you need to invite Bonds to ST.

Brainiac

November 17th, 2010
1:39 pm

DOB, are the Braves actually gonna let McOut start in CF ? I mean come on, does Wren even watch players play ? McOut wouldn’t make it as a softball team starter.

LittleRockBravesFan

November 17th, 2010
1:40 pm

DOB, is true that at first the Marlins wanted Prado in the deal and were told “no” by Frank Wren? I hate to lose infante, but on the other hand I’m very glad that Martin is still with us.

Brainiac

November 17th, 2010
1:41 pm

Invite Andruw Jones & Barry Bonds to ST. Let the best one earn a roster spot. I’m sure Barry has vengeance in his bat.

Nova Scotia Steve

November 17th, 2010
1:42 pm

I don’t understand why people are even slightly trying compare this deal to the Texiera trade. It’s not even close and those that are….well it ridiculous to do such a thing

With the current contract situation’s of both Uggla and Infante – they basically got a 30-HR per season threat for a super-utility player with limited power and their third best left hander out of the bullpen.

Fredi Gonzalez asked Frank Wren on the phone who else did the Marlins wanted for Uggla…when Wren said that’s it (Infante and Dunn)….Gonzalez was shocked….I think that says a lot. Especially coming from a guy who managed Uggla for a good portion of the last four seasons.

Braves got the better end of this deal – and if the Braves sign Uggla long term (which I think they will) this one of a no brainer – if it isn’t already.

If Infante has another career year (which is highly unlikely) he probably would be departing Atlanta after this season anyway. So then its down to acquiring a guy with 30 HR potential for a reliever.

Not a bad deal at all.

Brainiac

November 17th, 2010
1:43 pm

Norris, if Prado’s at 3rd then Mather’s in LF and McOut’s in CF. Two automatic outs in the lineup.

Nova Scotia Steve

November 17th, 2010
1:44 pm

LittleRockBravesFan – Yes. The Marlins wanted Prado and were told he wasn’t available. The focus then shifted to Infante being the centerpiece of the deal on the Marlins end.

NORRIS

November 17th, 2010
1:47 pm

To even consider Mather as a starter made me vomit a little in my mouth.
The guy is a nobody with no upside. Mcout adds diahrea to my sickness.

Brainiac

November 17th, 2010
1:47 pm

Excellent copying abilities of DOB’s post there Nova Scotia…

South Georgia Braves

November 17th, 2010
1:50 pm

Bonds? We don’t want Barry. Neither does the other 30 teams. Let’s be real about this.

This deal, after studying it for a while, is a great move by Wren. Worst case is we have Uggla for one year – the two first picks if he leaves.

As I posted yesterday before it happened, I can’t believe the Marlins traded him within the division. I still can’t believe it now that it has happened. Maybe it was a delayed gift for Bobby Cox.

David O'Brien

November 17th, 2010
1:53 pm

LittleRockBravesFan: Yes, Marlins asked for Prado first

count_schemula

November 17th, 2010
1:56 pm

I would not trade Prado for Uggla straight up. Yes, Uggla has a lot more power.

NORRIS

November 17th, 2010
1:57 pm

We have to have another quality outfielder to be competitive.

Brainiac

November 17th, 2010
1:57 pm

I wouldn’t have traded Prado head up for H.Ramirez much less Uggla. Prado’s a star on the rise.

Why not offer McOut & Lowe to the DBacks for Upton and Braves pay McOut’s salary ? I mean McOut’s like throwing in a condiment sized pack of ketchup with a hamburger…

Nova Scotia Steve

November 17th, 2010
1:58 pm

Brainiac – I haven’t even read DOB’s post. I normally do but missed that one apparently. However, I did read several articles (including DOB’s) last night analyzing the deal and this angle made the most sense.

I also listened to MLB writers and read AJC’s stories by DOB. I believe the part about the phone call conversation between Wren and Gonzalez was included in DOB’s story – and it definitely caught me attention.

But I’ve never copied anything in my life – if DOB posted a similar comment – he’s right.

count_schemula

November 17th, 2010
2:00 pm

Um, I would trade Prado for Hanley. Let’s not get carried away here.

LittleRockBravesFan

November 17th, 2010
2:09 pm

LittleRockBravesFan: Yes, Marlins asked for Prado first

Thanks for the response; I wasn’t sure if that was just a Facebook/Twitter rumor.

Peter

November 17th, 2010
2:15 pm

Well Rah Rah…..Kiss butt for the Home team……..If Uggla is a one year player we will cry about Infante being gone.

If Uggla can be signed for 3 + years, and can be helped defensively we did make out on the deal.

But now where is the money for the outfield ?

NORRIS

November 17th, 2010
2:27 pm

Yep. We made a sweet deal but there is a bunch of money that is being cleared and can be spent on a quality outfielder.

gtjackets

November 17th, 2010
2:29 pm

ANDRUW JONES, ERIC HINSKE AND MAYBE MATTY D

Arkansas Transplant

November 17th, 2010
2:30 pm

Now I say we move Prado for Justin Upton, sign Vazquez and trade KK. We might be able to make a move for BJ Upton as well. I would say an outfield of Upton, Upton and Heyward would be awesome. No balls would drop and each would feed off each other.

Florida State Trooper

November 17th, 2010
2:33 pm

Braves, do you know why I pulled you over?

Arkansas Transplant

November 17th, 2010
2:38 pm

Then we resign Diaz and Hinske.

GM of the Future

November 17th, 2010
2:46 pm

When you look at the players involved it was a great deal, but here are my 2 concerns. Our bad defense just got way worse. Uggla is a sub-par defender and now Prado is out of position in left and we still have cement-shoes Jones manning 3B. Also, we spent all of our excess funds for the offseason and we have no leadoff hitter and Nate MccOut is still playing center. Replace Mcclouth with a speedster that can hit leadoff and we may just have enough to win the East despite our poor Defense.

Chipper's ACL

November 17th, 2010
2:51 pm

I can’t see the Braves locking Uggla up for 4 years. I think in the next two years we will see the move toward youth. The contracts of Huddy, Lowe, Chipper, and Gonzo will be gone. We will be looking at Hanson leading a young group of starters and Kimbrel closing games out. Freddie, Jason, Mac, and Prado hitting .300 and driving in runs. The next wave of young arms are close. Some will be traded to fill other needs. Hopefully the return will be young players who we’ll see for years to come. All eyes should be on how the next two drafts pan out. We will have multiple picks next spring and there appears to be strength at third and OF.

Hater’s of the Tex trade should be more furious over what we received in return from LA. Do some checking and look at the two picks LA selected that spring. One is the best CF prospect in baseball. Talk about getting nothing for something.

NORRIS

November 17th, 2010
2:53 pm

We have not spent any money at all at this point. Also Liberty supposedly was to be increasing the payroll last I heard…
There should be no excuse for not picking up an outfielder with the money we have off the books.

NORRIS

November 17th, 2010
2:56 pm

kawakami 7.3 mil possibly half gone
wagner 6.7 mil
M.Cabrera 3.1 mil
saito 3.2 mil
diaz 2.5 mil
Glaus 1.7 mil
= a bunch of money to play with…

GM of the Future

November 17th, 2010
3:01 pm

What I heard is the Braves have approximately 10-15 Mil to spend this offseason and they just picked up Uggla who will get around 10 Mil. We lost Infante’s salary of 2.5 Mil. With the Arbitration raises due Prado and Jurrjens we do not have that much cash left. Don’t forget we still need 1 or 2 (now that Dunn’s gone) relief pitchers as well as an Outfielder. DOB, can you verify?

BravePack

November 17th, 2010
3:05 pm

C’mon DOB, what’s your gut feeling on if Uggla will be here for more than one year? You have to have some kind of idea on if the Braves are thinking if this is a one year thing or plan on locking him up.

NORRIS

November 17th, 2010
3:18 pm

Uggla was making 7.5 mil and infante was 2.5 or so. So we went into spending money 5 mil or so?
But there is plenty of money on the table still to work with.
Podsednik is out there and could play center and lead off.

so al brave

November 17th, 2010
3:19 pm

If frenchy would sign aaa contract and have a good hitting coach, he would be the the ball player he used to be, and be back a brave.

rocky

November 17th, 2010
3:26 pm

Now that braves got the uggla, a power right hand hitter, pretty much for nothing….no disrespect to infante who I loved when he filled in. Now lets continue our great off-season and solidify our center field position by trading for Colby Rasmus. This lineup would rock.

1.(LF) Martin Prado
2.(SS)Alex Gonzalez
3.(3B)Chipper Jones
4.(C) Brian McCann
5.(2B)Dan Uggla
6.(RF)Jason Heyward
7.(CF)Colby Rasmus
8.(1B)Freddie Freeman
9.(Pitcher)

Johnny Brave

November 17th, 2010
3:27 pm

DOB
I think we need to go after BJ Upton, he is a great defender, great basestealer, has some pop, and is still young. OBP and BA could be a problem though he has shown to be good at both in the past. Rumors are he wouldn’t take a lot to get and will only get paid 5 million next year. Don’t you think Wren should at least ask about him? Remember, Mclouth never was a player as good as Upton is now and he is no lock to bounce back.

gtjackets

November 17th, 2010
3:27 pm

anyone heard if the braves have thought about andruw jones

i hope they sign him, hinske and diaz

please wren get this done and some relief help

gtjackets

November 17th, 2010
3:29 pm

i wish rasmus or upton but i dont see it happening

gtjackets

November 17th, 2010
3:35 pm

i change my mind no diaz but yes to bill hall

rocky

November 17th, 2010
3:35 pm

BJ Upton intrigues me too…especailly his speed. The braves should push to get one of these three players to solidify our centerfield position.

B.J. Upton-good mixture of power, excellent speed(reminds me of what we had when Marquis Grissom was here), but his average has been down….if he shows he can hit…he could move into our leadoff spot.

Colby Rasmus-Has great power, hits for average, and good OBP…this is my pick…would give us a solid lineup of power and average from top to bottom.

Jacoby Elsbury-Has great speed, hits for average with great base discipline(doesn’t strike out much and has a high OBP)…He would definitely solidify our leadoff spot.

Mountain Braves Fan

November 17th, 2010
3:38 pm

Compare these two second basemen:

Games 160, 159
AB 626, 589
Runs 103, 100
Home Runs 29, 33
RBIs 109, 105
Stolen Bases 3, 4
Walks 57, 78
AVG .319, .287
OBP .381, .369
SLG .534, .508
OPS .915, .877

Does anyone think the Braves could have gotten Robinson Cano (Player 1)from the Yankees for Infante and Dunn? Can you believe Uggla (Player 2) had more steals than Cano?

Right handed power is what the Braves needed. Uggla fills that need. He is consistent, relatively young, productive, and motivated (last year before free agency, wants to show the Marlins they made a big mistake). Whether the Braves sign him beyond 2011 or not, this trade was highway robbery and clearly a salary dump by the Marlins.

transplant brave

November 17th, 2010
3:38 pm

You say that Wren is probably done with the big name players since aquiring ugg, but if they they gave up nothing to get him, i.e. rental players, should’nt they have still have the means to go after a big ticket left, or center fielder.

If it just a matter of payroll fine, good move Wren, but it seems like they are a center/left fielder away from being a very dominant team. I also hope we keep stealing players away from the marlins, its a god farm team for us.

Chuck

November 17th, 2010
3:43 pm

So do you play Diaz in LF on the days that Chipper gets a break – like on a day with a LH pitcher? Does Uggla take pressure off Diaz in LF, maybe allow the team to keep him? (2B is big bat so LF doesn’t have to be).

Gary O

November 17th, 2010
3:46 pm

transplant brave,

The problem is Uggla’s salary this year will probably be $10 mil or so with arbitration.

Infante and Dunn probably only cost $3.5 mil, so the Braves are picking up an extra $6.5 mil in salary already. And since payroll will only increase slightly, they will be careful how much they spend on other positions.

DPort

November 17th, 2010
3:49 pm

I cant believe it …. the majority of Braves fans on here like a trade for once!… pigs must be flying or something !

Arkansas Transplant

November 17th, 2010
3:51 pm

Why stop with BJ Upton, who I was calling for all last season, why not look into acquiring his brother Justin. That’s an outfield that has the ability to put up 60 plus homers with as many stolen bases. I’d be willing to part with Prado in a Justin trade and I doubt it would take too much to acquire BJ.

Arkansas Transplant

November 17th, 2010
3:57 pm

How about this lineup:

BJ Upton
Jason Heyward
Chipper Jones
Dan Uggla/Brian McCann
Brian McCann/Dan Uggla
Freddie Freeman
Justin Upton
Alex Gonzalez
(insert pitcher here)

Now tell me that’s not a scary lineup! Plus we could also look at adding Vazquez if the price is right. Then you resign Diaz and Hinske. Add Gregg to the bullpen plus Marek. Round out the rest of the bench with Conrad and Hernandez. Then just call it a day!

Giirly girl

November 17th, 2010
4:00 pm

Not sure if I like this trade. Omar Infante was my favorite Brave’s player. Who’s our leadoff hitter now? Where’s the speed at the top of the lineup? Jason Heyward can’t be the only player who steals bases. And what about all the hot air about getting a power-hitting outfielder?? Why on earth would you replace Prado at 2nd? What we need is a shortstop who isn’t a crying baby bat slammer each time he strikes out. Grrr…there better be some other moves here…

wins-by-a-link

November 17th, 2010
4:01 pm

I hate to see Infante go but this is a great trade, Of all the players available this is the one I had hoped we would get and we didn’t give up a lot of young talent to get him, Way to go FW. Now lets sign him to a long term contract.

Transplant brave

November 17th, 2010
4:16 pm

This is not the maimi heat or your fantasy team, but having one of the upton brothers would be nice. Brooks Conrad needs to go stand in a corner for the rest of his life.

ed simmons

November 17th, 2010
4:23 pm

This is a lousy trade unless we are committed to signing him, we have rented enough for just one year.

bravesfaninNashville

November 17th, 2010
4:27 pm

I listened to the Dan Uggla interview from Cabo on XM Radio this afternoon. He is from Nashville and is ecstatic to be a Brave and only be 3 hours from home. He has a lot of friends and family that love to see him play at Turner Field and that is one of the reasons he say’s he plays with a little more energy there. He said he would love to see himself finish out his career as a Brave if the Braves feel the same. He also said he’s really happy to be back with Fredi Gonzalez. This is going to turn out great for Atlanta. Our lineup just became more dangerous….

Transplant brave

November 17th, 2010
4:30 pm

We would have had Omar for only one more year as well. The trade is good, because Wren traded for consistency and power. Uggla is now easily are best offensive threat.

count_schemula

November 17th, 2010
4:43 pm

He is “are” best threat. Where on earth did you transplant from that has worse school than Georgia?

Voice of Reason

November 17th, 2010
4:44 pm

See this is the problem with the fans in Atlanta. Frank Wren and Liberty Media blow some smoke up your #@@ and everyone wants to throw a parade and give us the championship. Please remember that we are RENTING Uggla for a year only. Sure this trade on paper looks pretty good because we didnt give up that much, but remember we are only RENTING him for a year. You cant build a championship team by renting a player for a year.

If Uggla had 2-3 years remaining on his contract his would be an amazing trade, but he doesnt and thats because nobody would trade him with that amount of time left. If Uggla was signed for 3-4 years this would be amazing. To all you people hoping we could sign Uggla keep dreaming. Uggla will command top dollar next year and will DEFINATELY be on the free agent market. Uggla has what most players at his position do not and thats POWER and we all know POWER is a premium. He will command big money, and we all know that big money and Liberty Media do not go hand in hand unless its the CEO’s pay. You are crazy and fooling yourselves if you think that we will be able to resign him. We wouldnt even spend $10 million to get Adam Dunn and his 40HR and 100RBI’s a year so quit fooling yourself.

Bottom line is that Frank Wren and Liberty Media will go out and spend the least amount possible to get what they can instead of getting us that power outfielder that we all know we need. Instead of signing a power hitting outfielder free agent to a 4-6 year deal we are renting another player for another year. Big deal people….wake up already!!!

GwinnettDad

November 17th, 2010
4:48 pm

I’ve seen the name of Frenchy mentioned here. I’m not sure why he’d be interested in leaving a team that just went to the World Series. But that aside, Frenchy holds a record of sorts, Four outs on six pitches with a strike out. Did that for the Mets last year, and came close to duplicating that feat a number of times. His aggressive “in your face” style of hitting worked in high school and in the minors, but has been a HUGE bust in the Majors. He has been one of the most frustrating players to root for ever. I wish him well, I really do, and always have since the days of wearing #12 for Parkview. However, he needs a sports shrink, and maybe then, he’ll blossom into a .375 OBP .300 hitter, which is what we’ve hoped he’d be since he first batted for the Braves. A walk is not a failure or indicative of being a wimp. It is not an out. It is smart baseball. It allows the next player to bat. Frenchy, it is a good thing! And vastly better than pulling the ball, and hitting a grounder ad nauseum to the third baseman.

count_schemula

November 17th, 2010
4:51 pm

A walk means you work the count to hit your pitch. Don’t talk walks? That mean you swing at crap. Look at how Frenchy does it and how Chipper does (did) it. A walk just means you did not get a pitch to drive. Frenchy never got this, and that’s why he’s the hitter he is. He’s not Vlad.

bravesfaninNashville

November 17th, 2010
5:06 pm

Please no Jeff Francouer.. We need professional hitters that work counts and swing at hitters pitches. Jeff does neither. Besides this team needs some speed on it. I say we make no moves that are not a serious upgrade from what McClouth brings. He can bat 8th and play solid D and not hurt us.

ManOfTeal

November 17th, 2010
5:16 pm

I will miss Dan Uggla in a Marlins uniform but, by all means Atlanta, please enjoy your 1 year rental of Uggla and thank you very much for your All-Star Omar Infante.

We just signed John Buck to a three year contract.

Go Marlins

mushcreek

November 17th, 2010
5:17 pm

Voice of Reason writes:
“We wouldnt even spend $10 million to get Adam Dunn and his 40HR and 100RBI’s a year so quit fooling yourself.Bottom line is that Frank Wren and Liberty Media will go out and spend the least amount possible to get what they can instead of getting us that power outfielder that we all know we need. Instead of signing a power hitting outfielder free agent to a 4-6 year deal we are renting another player for another year.”

Reality bites sometimes…but the reality is:
a) Our budget is what it is. LIMITED

b) We can moan and groan and have checkbook envy of teams like the Yanks…or we can do the best we can within our budget (like the Rangers did last year)

b) Working within a budget means you cant just go out and buy the best power hitting outfield for cash..you have to be creative (like FWren was)

c) Even if the Braves could land a Crawford, Werth, Rasmus, or J Upton….they’re not going to be anxious to commit a 4-6 yr deal with Atlanta when the Yankess/Bosox/Angels etc are always going to flash bigger bills in front of them in just a year or two.

d) Renting a player for a year IS SOMETIMES a successful move if he meets a need such as a power hitting right hander……and if you’re also building your team from the farm with good young arms and good young bats as the Braves have done.

e) We still have an abundance of talent to use to acquire another outfielder or veteran arm for the bullpen and I’m sure Frank Wren is exploring lots of creative options for finding a speedy CF with good “D” and decent On-Base pctage.

No one knows whether Uggla will be a boon or a bust for the Braves….and every trade or acquisition of a Free Agent involves risks. Maybe Uggla hits 40 hr next yr or maybe he gets beaned on opening day and goes on the DL. Maybe Infante repeats his hitting prowess for the Fish or maybe he ends up a part-time utility player for them.
BUT
98 percent of baseball fans are praising the Braves for this trade and regardless of the ultimate outcome, Frank Wren didn’t waste anytime and went out there and made the deal for the most consistent power hitter the Braves have had in the lineup in quite sometime.

Peter

November 17th, 2010
5:19 pm

I really have a hard time thinking Boston will let Jacoby Elsbury get away from them. He has been hurt allot, but they think he will have more power in the future.

Getting him would be the icing on the cake for me.

ManOfTeal

November 17th, 2010
5:22 pm

Also enjoy Uggla’s 150+ strikeouts a season and his horrible defense….I think you were better off with Brooks Conrad on defense….remember the All-Star game in New York when Uggla made 4 errors all by himself….yeah…enjoy THAT!

Greg

November 17th, 2010
5:24 pm

Yes, it was a great trade for everyone. Always remember, you have to give a lot to get a lot. We have GOT TO HAVE SOME POWER hitting on this team. Now, if Frank Wren will get a centerfielder and left fielder who can both hit .300 and 20 or more home runs, we can give the Phillies and Giants a run for their money in 2011.

Kerry

November 17th, 2010
5:26 pm

DOB, I must have missed your post or have you not asked Frank Wren about Andruw Jones yet?? I want him on the Braves in 2011!!

mark bradley's 70's fro and mustache

November 17th, 2010
5:47 pm

NORRIS

November 17th, 2010
1:31 pm
IF Prado is at 3rd then who is in left and center?

Who’s on first!

mark bradley's 70's fro and mustache

November 17th, 2010
5:51 pm

The CEO of liberty media made 87.1 million this year! Tight budget!

trheel

November 17th, 2010
6:27 pm

Great trade. Besides, HRs, OPS, etc., Uggla has it. He plays hard and he wants to win.

Braves HR and RBI leader last year had 21 HR and 77 RBI. They just added an guy with a 5 year avg. 30+ HR and 92+ RBI guy. They don’t just fall off the trees.

The only way this compares to the Tex trade-is Tex Trade II, when we traded him to the Angels and received Kotchman and Marek. We were dealing from a position of weakness when we traded Tex, and apparently the Marlins felt like they had to trade Uggla because without a long term deal they weren’t going to pay him this year. I’m stunned Wren pulled off this trade.

John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

November 17th, 2010
6:33 pm

ManofTeal
Infante is also a FA after the end of the year and Dunn has too many walks to be successful
Fail

so al brave

November 17th, 2010
6:57 pm

frenche is a free agent,i still say with the right coaching he could become a good player again. he has one of the best arms in base ball.

Gary O

November 17th, 2010
8:09 pm

The problem for the Braves in trading for a CF, is Nate’s contract. At $6.75 mil, I dont think they can afford to make Nate a 4th OF from before the season starts.

I think Frank and Fredi will give him every chance in spring training (like they did last year).

So I would be surprised to see them make a move for a Ellsbury, or Upton etc. i think it is more likely to be a much smaller move.

Gary O

November 17th, 2010
8:18 pm

From DOB’s “McCann on Uggla “Everything we’ve been looking for” blog.

“Brian McCann is my favorite guy in baseball.” Dan Uggla .

Maybe Uggla will join McFann’s fan club :smile:

aburtch

November 17th, 2010
10:02 pm

I have to say I think Frank Wren is turning out to be an excellent GM.

dmack2027

November 18th, 2010
12:05 am

Couple of points.

1. There was a report that the Cards were interested in Uggla until the Marlins asked them for Colby Rasmus in return. Boy, if that is true, the Marlins’ asking price came WAY WAY down.

2. In my opinion, this trade rivals the trade the Braves made with the Tigers when the Braves sent an aging Renteria north for JJ and Gorkys Hernandez. JJ has become a top of the rotation pitcher, and Gorkys was flipped to the Pirates for McClouth. Granted, McClouth has not panned out that well, but the trade with the Tigers was top shelf. I think this trade was better than that.

3. I think it is important to remember that Dunn had a flare up with someone in the organization when he was sent down in Spring Training. It always amazes me how the Braves seem to remember those types of incidents. The same can be said when a player plays very well against the Braves. Often, they will make a trade for that player. This time, it appears to have worked in the opposite direction.

The telling quote from the story was when Wren informed Fredi about the possible trade. Fredi asked who else was included in the deal, meaning top prospects. When he was told no other players were heading to Florida, he said make the deal right away. When my brother called me about the trade, I said the same thing. I wondered what top prospects were also part of the deal and was amazed to learn that Omar and Dunn were all the Braves had to part with.

People who are complaining about this trade know nothing about baseball and are wasting everyone’s time on this blog. Outstanding job by Wren.

“Go peck s$it with the chickens.” Wonder if anyone can tell me what movie that quote comes from……..

STEELY DAN MAN

November 18th, 2010
12:57 am

@ Owl Hunter
you are hilarious,man …… and I agree w/ you alot,too !

STEELY DAN MAN

November 18th, 2010
3:43 am

@ dmack2027
come on man, gimme a hard one …… YOUNG GUNS !

ManOfTeal

November 18th, 2010
7:59 am

@John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere

Re-signing Infante will cost a whole hellava lot less for the Marlins than re-signing Uggla will be for the Braves.

He wanted 5 years at $71 million. The Marlins were offering 4 years and $48 million. I can think of only one team that might be willing to part with that kind of cash for a 2B that is on the down side of 30…..The Yankees.

So you can pretty much count on Uggla being the opening day DH for the Yankees in 2012, or maybe even sooner if the Braves aren’t competing by mid-season. Like I said, he’s a rental for the Braves…..think of him like another Mark Teixeira for you.

Go Marlins!!!!

AM-I-AN-ALIEN

November 18th, 2010
5:39 pm

Why do we continue to give up our talent… Yeah Uggla is good, but so was Infante… I am so tired of watching our talented players excelling for other teams…I’m sorry but I do not like this move… We need a center fielder hell…

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