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Owl Hunter
November 16th, 2010
11:51 pm
dpelfrey
I’m with you, man. I’m not a hateful person, but the ignorance here is suffocating! Are they watching the same sport that we are? We just solved a two year old problem without giving up a prospect. I hope they all find their own planet where they can eat fleas off of each other’s backs all day long.
Owl Hunter
November 16th, 2010
11:52 pm
If I were a Marlins fan, I’d have killed myself three times by now.
Owl Hunter
November 16th, 2010
11:53 pm
Peter
What would you do for a bat instead?
a
November 16th, 2010
11:53 pm
DOB, how much do you think Uggla’s Type A status had to do with this? Knowing we could lose either Infante or Uggla after 2011, is Wren looking ahead by at least safe guarding with a draft pick if we can’t re-sign Uggla?
Or, even better, do you think they’re serious about signing him long term?
This is a great, great trade for the Braves.
David O'Brien
November 16th, 2010
11:55 pm
This was a very bad move. Wren, you need outfielders and a shortstop. Please do your job. — DDawg10
I’m speechless reading some of these comments. Absolutely speechless.
Why don’t you check around baseball, see what national writers are saying about this trade, DDawg.
“Please do your job,” you say. On a day when Wren basically fleeced the Marlins, according to anybody and everybody I talked to at the meetings today, every single writer who stopped by the table where I was working along with two Florida writers I know from my days covering Marlins.
Some of you, seriously, cannot be pleased. Can not. Regardless of what the Braves do. They just traded for the only second baseman in history to have 150 homers in his first five seasons, the only second baseman to have four consecutive seasons of 30 or more homers, a guy coming off a career-best season, at age 30.
They gave up a versatile veteran infielder who’ll be a free agent after the 2011 season, and a left-hander who would have been the No. 3 lefty in the Braves’ bullpen behind Venters and O’Flaherty.
You don’t see many trades with a more clear-cut winner than this one.
Owl Hunter
November 16th, 2010
11:55 pm
a
Wren said that they are going to explore an extension, but they want Uggla to get settled into the team before talks officially start. It think we have a good chance of keeping him.
Rumblekat
November 16th, 2010
11:56 pm
Good deal for the Braves. I’m perhaps happiest for Omar. He was going to have to go back to being a platoon player again. He deserves to be a starter. This way, he will hopefully be the Marlins everyday second baseman. Will miss him. But, those 100 extra whiffs Uggla brings to the middle of the lineup will also bring 20+ more homeruns and quite a few more RBIs to the middle of the lineup!
dpelfrey
November 16th, 2010
11:56 pm
Amen Owl Hunter…
They are not watching the same sport. The sport they watch has Omar Infante being equal to Derek Jeter or something. This was a steal of trade and anyone who can’t see that doesn’t have any real baseball knowledge. I haven’t been this excited since the Tim Hudson trade for Dan Meyer and Chuckie Thomas.
Owl Hunter
November 16th, 2010
11:57 pm
DOB
Everything you just said should be carved into the side of Stone Mountain.
jwdavis88
November 16th, 2010
11:58 pm
DOB do you think the braves will still go after a top end center fielder either through trade or free agency such as ellsbury,kemp or one of the diamond backs outfieders chris young or justin upton
dpelfrey
November 16th, 2010
11:59 pm
DOB…I second your comment “Absolutely speechless.”
I came here tonight ready to revel with all the other posters in this trade, only to come on here and discover that half the people are pissed. Absolutely speechless.
Owl Hunter
November 16th, 2010
11:59 pm
Larry Beinfest looked like a broken man on MLB Network earlier this evening.
a
November 16th, 2010
11:59 pm
haha, agreed owl hunter. replace the carving with the gospel of DOB!
a
November 17th, 2010
12:01 am
the only way wren can be faulted for this trade is that he may be one day arrested for shattering larry beinfest’s soul and costing him his job. but hey…i’ll take it.
AdirondackDave
November 17th, 2010
12:04 am
Peter — Your scenario isn’t entirely without merit.. well, not entirely. You somehow have forgotten to mention the Uggla flip-side and that would be 30+ homers and 100 RBIs. Guess those won’t win any games?
Owl Hunter
November 17th, 2010
12:04 am
DOB shouldn’t have had to say any of that. Wren’s mugshot should be online soon, because he straight up burglarized the Marlins. I’ve been back and forth on Wren during his tenure, but this was a work of art.
Peter
November 17th, 2010
12:04 am
Hey Owl Hunter..
We needed an out fielder, both left and center……we needed speed, we just traded the lead off guy twice now…….
Infante batted 320 plus, and was solid……..Dunn was throwing 98 mph, had an era under 2……both are young, and can get better.
Also please…… Hayward is not really as good as Frenchy was in right. So putting him in center is a joke.
Our fielding which sucked, just got worse.
Add 149 strikeouts a year, and the 71 million he wants for 5 years, and we traded for a rent a year player.
MDBraveFan
November 17th, 2010
12:04 am
I will miss Omar.Thanks for a great 2010 in a Braves uni. Not sure about Uggla at second though. Prado should play 2d and Uggla in the outfield.
MDBraveFan
November 17th, 2010
12:05 am
Oh, great trade though but I hope Wren isn’t done. We need to get rid of McOut or at least have a back up in case he starts sucking it up again like this year.
Owl Hunter
November 17th, 2010
12:06 am
The Marlins just became the Redskins of baseball. Minus the history, and large fanbase, that is. I truly feel for their handful of true fans.
dpelfrey
November 17th, 2010
12:06 am
DOB…
Have you ever seen more fickled fans than what you see on this blog tonight. Just curious, cause it’s pissing me off reading all these comments.
Peter
November 17th, 2010
12:09 am
Yes AdirondackDave…….the bat is what is the draw…..any at bat he can produce, or strike out.
Hopefully he produces in the games that matter, not the 8 to 10 run blow outs.
Then again look at the roster……instead of getting younger and faster, we are getting older and slower.
I still maintain like Tex, and others before him, he will be a rent a year player, and messed with a position we didn’t need to mess with.
carlchamblee
November 17th, 2010
12:10 am
haha DOB, you follow up your “I’m speechless” remark with a 5 paragraph tirade. Hardly speechless!
For me it’s a good upgrade offensively of course, but not as clear cut as you say when all things are considered, especially with the trumpeting of Uggla as replacing Prado at 2b and pushing Martin to LF.
Do you not remember in the very past that poor defense absolutely bludgeoned the Braves? So now you downgrade defensively at a very important IF position and put an experiment in OF where we also have major issues catching and throwing?
Defense wins and loses games especially in crunch time when the scores are close and the pressure on. How the Braves braintrust can seemingly ignore that after the disaster that was the 2010 Braves defense is beyond me. Of course they fell in love with A Gonzales HR totals too and he proceeded to kick the ball around for 3 months.
Owl Hunter
November 17th, 2010
12:10 am
Hey Peter
Infante is only an everyday player when guys get hurt. Dunn has serious control problems, and we still have about 20 LH relievers. Uggla has his faults, no doubt, but this team has improved.
Who said anything about Heyward in center?
Did you just extol the virtues of Jeff Francouer?!? Defense is important, but hitting is still a part of the game.
By the way, you never answered my question. Who is your solution?
Jimmy Beam, you are my friend
November 17th, 2010
12:11 am
Come on DOB, don’t mince words (your 11:55pm)! Tell us how you really feel!
Excellent. Great job, and I mean that sincerely.
dpelfrey
November 17th, 2010
12:11 am
Peter, I don’t intend to be mean, but you must not have watched the Braves before last year.
The rent a player thing only works if you actually give something up for it. I repeat, we gave up a veteran journeyman utility player and a project lefty pitcher that would at best be a situational guy for a proven 30-homer, 100-RBI guy. What the heck, people, can anything make you happy?
Peter
November 17th, 2010
12:13 am
OK David O’Brien…if he is here for one year only is this a great trade ? Then we will need a 2nd baseman and two out fielders.
You don’t think we could have found a guy with similar talents in the out field and paid him 10 million a year ?
And maybe some SPEED ?
Owl Hunter
November 17th, 2010
12:14 am
I’m also really sick of the 6-7 guys who COULD hit 20 hrs argument. That never happens for us.
David O'Brien
November 17th, 2010
12:15 am
depelfrey: That’s the most wacked-out part of the criticism found on this blog — that the Braves somehow mortgaged the future for a rental player. I guess some here must be convinced Mike Dunn is destined to be the next Adam Wainwright or Neftali Feliz? What, should the Braves have refused to part with him, along with Teheran, Hanson, et al? Apparently the Braves should have been able to get Uggla for Barbaro Canizares and James Parr?
AdirondackDave
November 17th, 2010
12:15 am
I’m probably forgetting somebody, but isn’t Uggla the best power hitter the Braves have traded for since Sheffield and wasn’t that nearly a decade ago. I’ll take Uggla over J. D. Drew any day of the week and twice on Sunday (even considering JD had his career year with us).
Maybe the best reason to be excited about this is Uggla has hit over .350 at Turner Field, as DOB said… And one more thought. I like the idea of playing the Marlins next year WITHOUT Dan Uggla in the middle of THEIR lineup!
carlchamblee
November 17th, 2010
12:15 am
The veteran journeyman utility guy hit 320 as a starter this past year. So let’s not crap on Omar to pump up Uggla. And we already have an allstar 2b who is a lot better defensively. Defense wins and loses games has everyone forgotten 2010 season already?
Happy to have Uggla’s bat but screwing up 2 positions on an already swiss cheese D is reckless.
dpelfrey
November 17th, 2010
12:16 am
Peter, WTF!!!!!
Hell yes, this is a great trade, even if he’s only here for a year. I repeat again, for the third time, we gave up a veteran journeyman utility player and a project lefty reliever. What more needs to be said. Hell yes, I would pay that for one year of Uggla. Hell yes!!!!!
Peter
November 17th, 2010
12:16 am
Hey dpelfrey….I have been watching Bobby ball which is having players that look like a weekend softball team play for years. He fits right in. No team Speed wait for the bomb.
And wow the Errors killed us in so many close games last year……..do you think we are going to win 24 games in the last at bat this coming season ?
Dick Army
November 17th, 2010
12:17 am
Peter
Dunn only had an ERA under 2 because….he only pitched 19 INNINGS!
& its hEyward
so then i guess you wouldnt want Ryan Howard or A-rod since they strike out a lot huh….
who do you want then?
John
November 17th, 2010
12:17 am
Tell em DOB!!! Ignorant A holes are what the haters are! Yes our defense is not up to par but neither was our offense and we made it to the playoffs. Now we have a major power threat with about the same level of defense that we have had in the past. We also move Prado into left which he KNOWS how to play and that solves the problem in the outfield. Now lets hope we can sign Uggla to an extension and get Hinske back and we will be a HELL of a team next year!
Owl Hunter
November 17th, 2010
12:17 am
Peter
Even if he leaves, we still get two draft picks. I’m still waiting for you to bring an actual IDEA to the table since you know so much more than Wren, DOB, the entire baseball media, an any fan with half a brain. Who’s your perfect-fielding, affordable, 30-100 guy that will make everything wonderful?
Owl Hunter
November 17th, 2010
12:19 am
Oh yeah, and all we did was add 30-100 to a 90 WIN TEAM!
Peter
November 17th, 2010
12:20 am
Sorry dpelfrey……. the one year deal sucks in my boat, and we have a terrible outfield, if we spent 10 Million on a center fielder or left fielder with speed and power, I would be a happy camper.
We have a sad defensive infield as it is……and it just got worse……..this is like playing Brooks Conrad everyday at second.
Dick Army
November 17th, 2010
12:20 am
Do you really think we’re gonna have 100+ errors again?
Peter
November 17th, 2010
12:21 am
Owl Hunter…..take away the Miracle 24 plus wins in the last at bat and we are a 3rd place team, with maybe 80 wins.
Dick Army
November 17th, 2010
12:22 am
Peter, how would the braves need a 2nd basemen next year if uggla leaves… did you already forget about PRADO?
carlchamblee
November 17th, 2010
12:22 am
Aholes, wacked out, haters. And this frothing at the mouth group think egged by the AJC blogger himself.
Pardon a few fans for remembering the recent past where defense KILLED the Braves and a short term trade (Tex) did nothing but put the Texas Rangers in their first ever WS.
But God forbid opposing views get treated w respect and an open mind. Let’s just all praise the almighty homerun
dpelfrey
November 17th, 2010
12:22 am
Peter,
You’re right. Bobby ball sucked. Being in the postseason 15 out of 19 years was just brutal, wasn’t it? I’m convinced you have never played an inning of baseball, because if you had, you would know more than this. And no, I don’t think they will have 24 last at-bat wins this year. I think they’ll scored more runs early in the game and won’t have to come back, especially with this pitching staff.
Peter is a Troll
November 17th, 2010
12:23 am
well in that case, take away the miracle wins in the last at bat for EVERY team and see what happens…
Peter
November 17th, 2010
12:23 am
Hey Dick Army…….how does the fielding get better when you bring in a guy who averages 15 errors a season ? The Braves made 126 errors last year 127 lead the league.
Who is getting better …Chipper ? Gonzalez ? UGGLA ? These guys all going to win Gold Gloves ?
Flo-Ri-Duh!
November 17th, 2010
12:24 am
This smells like a Texiera fiasco. Why trade away the future for a one year player? I would not have made the trade unless Uggla agreed to a 3 year contract. He is 30 and should be good for 3 years. Infante is a lot to give up and 3rd base is still undecided- as well as the outfield.
Owl Hunter
November 17th, 2010
12:25 am
Peter
Guess what? We actually won 90 games in real life. I don’t know what happened in your magic land where exceptional hitters with no errors or Ks just rain from the sky and into the dugout, but here on Earth, the Braves won 90. Why bother pontificating like that? You still have yet to offer any kind of real solution, or even name one player that you think fits. You got nothing.
dpelfrey
November 17th, 2010
12:25 am
carlchamblee…
That’s just silly. This is nowhere close to the Tex trade. Unless Omar starts taking massive steroids and turns into the next Marquis Grissom (in the latter Giants years) and Mike Dunn somehow turns into the next Billy Wagner (highly unlikely, if not impossible). Other than that, your argument is pretty sound.
shmoe
November 17th, 2010
12:25 am
i’m lovin it. lovin lovin lovin lovin it. we get some slugg back in atl
TNScott
November 17th, 2010
12:26 am
**DOB** Just goes to show you, that some people will find a cloud in every silver lining.
shmoe
November 17th, 2010
12:26 am
these people that hate the trade are mets or phillies fans. end of story
escoBEAST
November 17th, 2010
12:26 am
I don’t understand why people are so upset that we traded for Uggla. We just got one of the top home run hitters in the nl and type A draft picks at the end of the year, for 1yr left of infante and a good but replaceable relief pitcher. does this team still have problems….Yes? we don’t have speed and the defense is week, but we just solved some of the power problems. the only way your going to get all three of those things fixed is 120mil to Crawford and the only way that could happen is if chip retires. RETIRE CHIPPER! PLEASE!!
Peter is a Troll
November 17th, 2010
12:27 am
Flo-Ri-Duh!
who is the future?
infante… who is a free agent next season??
dunn, who has only a small sample size of 19 innings with the braves??
shmoe
November 17th, 2010
12:27 am
i’m hearing a ton of chatter on various boards about getting one of the uptons
Peter
November 17th, 2010
12:28 am
No other team in baseball had more than 10 miracle last at bat wins…..can any other person think of a year that the Braves had 15 big last at bat wins ?
I think Frank Wren sucks…he was run out of Baltimore, and we haven’t won a playoff series yet here with him at the helm.
He traded away a good team last year, and now we will see what happens to this group, minus a closer and two out field positions.
kaminari
November 17th, 2010
12:28 am
It seems like Uggla likes ATL especially the Ted. I wonder what if we held onto Infante and got Uggla in free agency next year. Only time will tell, but as good as it looks now we have to realize we gave up a great player and a young gun for what could be a one-year rental.
Owl Hunter
November 17th, 2010
12:29 am
I gotta go. The ignorance is killing me. Have a great night dpelfrey and DOB.
This trade is a WIN, and that’s it!
Owl Hunter
November 17th, 2010
12:30 am
Peter
Tell the nurse to up the meds, and go to bed.
Peter is a Troll
November 17th, 2010
12:31 am
Peter
they had 25 last AB wins in 1995
the phillies had about 20 something this season
plenty of other teams in the 17-20 range
carlchamblee
November 17th, 2010
12:31 am
“Do you really think we’re gonna have 100+ errors again?” – D Army
With Uggla at 2b, AGonzo at SS, and Chipper at 3b you are already more than halfway there. Throw in
BMacs league leading errors and a question mark outfield and you tell me how 100 errors will NOT happen.
Peter
November 17th, 2010
12:32 am
Honestly Owl Hunter……football has my attention…….I was shocked to see the Falcon’s as the number one team in ESPN’s Power ranking today.
I don’t know who is available….out there now……but renting players has never worked out for the Braves….and I know the defense was the undoing of many games this year including the playoff losses.
Peter
November 17th, 2010
12:33 am
Hey Owl Hunter…..remember the meds when you watch the Braves this year.
Peter is a Troll
November 17th, 2010
12:34 am
all those errors this year, yet STILL made the playoffs
errors arent the only reason the braves lost in the playoffs
maybe if they would’ve scored some runs those errors wouldnt have mattered.
Owl Hunter
November 17th, 2010
12:34 am
Peter
well then i guess you wont be watching the braves this year…. since you’re not even a fan
Peter
November 17th, 2010
12:36 am
But the errors did cost them…….and you all want Bobby ball to continue…..slow boring baseball……no team speed……and you get Uggla’s 149 K as well with the power assuming he is healthy all year.
David O'Brien
November 17th, 2010
12:37 am
But God forbid opposing views get treated w respect and an open mind. Let’s just all praise the almighty homerun — carlchamblee
Actually, I like the fact that Uggla has OBPs of .369, .354 and .360 the past three seasons, an .837 career OPS that includes .877 in 2010 and .874 in 2008, and totals of 499 runs and 465 RBIs in five seasons.
Peter
November 17th, 2010
12:37 am
I have been to two World series Braves games, and many more…….sorry I am not a fan of Wren or his moves in general.
carlchamblee
November 17th, 2010
12:38 am
dpelfrey in you sarcasm i see you failed to address my main points about defense because you got nothing. Instead you took my reference to the Teixeira trade (which wasn’t even literally comparing this trade to) and got all puffy.
Our horrible defense just got shakier at two positions. That’s silly to ya?
Peter
November 17th, 2010
12:38 am
Sorry I am not a fan of WREN……the Braves are the home team, and I want them to win.
RichieRich86
November 17th, 2010
12:44 am
Do any of yal posters do any research? Prado isn’t an experiment in LF. He plays there regularly in winter ball. I’m embarassing some of yal are Braves fans. Yal are clueless This was an awesome trade for us.
carlchamblee
November 17th, 2010
12:45 am
DOB I like his offense too. But you don’t move a better fielding second baseman (who is also Allstar and can hit very well) and weaken two positions defensively on a team where the defense was an utter wreck.
You left out Uggla’s other big numbers – his league leading errors at 2b and ever declining fielding %.
If you wanna only screw up one defensive position – put HIM in LF and enjoy his bat.
Second base is very important to the pitchers, Ask Brooks Conrad.
RichieRich86
November 17th, 2010
12:46 am
Peter, you are clueless. Go to a GT blog or something.
David O'Brien
November 17th, 2010
12:47 am
jwdavis88: No. By all indications, this was the Braves’ big move. Wren said they’ll focus on smaller pieces now, like the bench and bullpen. I think Hinske is at least 50-50 to get re-signed, and maybe Diaz, too. I’d be surprised if at least one of them isn’t brought back.
RichieRich86
November 17th, 2010
12:48 am
carlchamblee,
Please enlighten us where your getting this information Prado is a liablity in LF? Do you go watch him in winter ball when that’s his primary position?
RichieRich86
November 17th, 2010
12:50 am
We need Hinske back bad. The guy is a winner he gives his all and is really good off the bench. I wouldn’t mind starting him in LF if we didn’t make this trade. I still don’t understand why he didn’t start in RF for the Rays in 08′ over Gabe Gross. Hinske is a ball player man!
carlchamblee
November 17th, 2010
12:52 am
RichieRich show us dummies your research where Prado played LF *regularly* in winter ball. Don’t just read one line from the trade article that makes a passing reference to him playing some there.
Did he play real well defensively there? Do you have numbers to back it up? Enlighten us with your in depth research please.
And while you’re at it look up Uggla’s defense at 2b
Bobby's Cox
November 17th, 2010
12:54 am
Apparently the Marlins were waiting until Nov 16 to give “6″ a going away party…
David O'Brien
November 17th, 2010
12:54 am
DOB I like his offense too. But you don’t move a better fielding second baseman (who is also Allstar and can hit very well) and weaken two positions defensively on a team where the defense was an utter wreck. — Carlchamblee
How are they worse in LF with Prado than with Melky/Diaz/Hinske? I think they’re probably better.
They are worse defensively at 2B, but better at 1B with Freeman, which should help some.
The Braves talked to Carlos Tosca (new Braves bench coach, former Marlins bench coach) and Fredi about Uggla’s defense, and both said it wasn’t a negative to the degree that some have described. If both watched him for every game several years and believe it’s not a major detriment, shouldn’t that opinion count? I mean, it’s Fredi’s job, right? His team. Or should we just read the error totals and go with that?
John
November 17th, 2010
12:56 am
I guess some people will NEVER be satisfied! Wren pulled off what is going to be the best deal of the year and people are whining. I think we need to order up some cheese for these whiners.
We just traded a rookie lefty reliever who was THIRD on the LEFTY reliever depth chart…who pitched less than 20 innings in the bigs last year AND a super utility player that hasnt had a starting job out of opening day in what…..FOUR years. Oops…..I almost forgot that Omar is ALSO a free agent after this next season!
What did we get in return?? An All Star 2nd baseman who hits for power AND for a high average. So what if we dont sign him long term! Hes a Type A so that will give us two draft picks! What about Prado you ask?? Well he will be moved to left field…..which is what I call killing two birds with one stone!
Frank Wren 1……HATERS 0
GloryDays
November 17th, 2010
12:57 am
Just for fun take at look at this
Player 1 Player 2
Avg. .284 .287
HR 26 33
RBI 71 105
Runs 93 100
BB 79 78
SB 13 4
OBP .370 .369
SLG .496 .508
Fielding% .988 .976
Salary 2.3M 7.8M
Seems to me that player 1 and player 2 are fairly similar with the biggest differences being RBIs for player 2 and SB fro player 1. The other big difference is salary.
carlchamblee
November 17th, 2010
12:57 am
Prado’s played 3 games in LF in his MLB career. All in 2008. Perhaps not even the whole game in those.
So yes it’s experimental. so make Uggla the experiment since he stinks defensively at 2b and Prado is fine there.
2b is a very important position defensively. That no one seems to care about that so soon after Conrad in the playoffs is amazing.
RichieRich86
November 17th, 2010
12:58 am
Actually DOB, posted it in this blog that he plays LF in winterball and it was also on ESPN. What more research do you need that he played LF in winterball? and I agree uggla’s defense isn’t great but he can’t be worse than Conrad. We just got the best hitting 2nd basemen in the league for a super utilty player and a 3 lefty reliever in our bullpen? What can’t you like about that trade?
Seth
November 17th, 2010
12:59 am
This is one heck of a job by Wren to bolster our power! When do pitchers and catchers report? I’m ready for the 2011 campaign to get under way! Our lineup will be absolutely sick if Chipper can get back to 100% and Uggla continues to TORCH pitching @ Turner Field! He seems to have a knack for hitting well in our ballpark, now HIS ballpark as well! As with everyone, I hate seeing Omar go, but if Uggla can hit 30+ HRs for us and we can re-sign him then this a an amazing deal! Our bullpen is still very solid and you have to give up something to get better and that WREN DID! Great job Frank! Very happy with the start to the off-season! Look out Phillies!
Bobby's Cox
November 17th, 2010
12:59 am
I wouldn’t call Prado a regular in LF in Winter Ball. If my recollection is accurate, he played maybe 15 or so games last season in Winter ball & that many or less the year before… I do however want to mention that Martin did so on his own because he knew the braves were weak in the OF, and with RH bats. Dude is such a team guy. Let’s give him an extension soon….
Myke Hawk
November 17th, 2010
12:59 am
colby rasmus 148 k’s
justin upton 152 k’s
jayson werth 147 k’s
jason heyward 128 K’s
Dan Uggla 149 K’s
Matt Kemp 170 K’s
Using Uggla’s K total from this season as a negative is just flat out stupid
RichieRich86
November 17th, 2010
1:00 am
GloryDays,
Who are the two players?
RichieRich86
November 17th, 2010
1:02 am
Bobbycox,
I agree we need to sign prado to an extention and uggla for that matter asap!
Myke Hawk
November 17th, 2010
1:03 am
and using Uggla’s error total he had 18
INFANTE had 16
miguel cabrera had 13, but i guess you wouldnt want him since he commits errors
carlchamblee
November 17th, 2010
1:06 am
DOB saying “it wasn’t a negative to the degree that some have described” is hardly praise.
I wouldn’t expect the manager to say his defense stinks would you?
Sorry I’m just an ignorant fan – I should ignore not just stats but all the games I’ve watched and surrender my opinion to the organization’s spin at all times. That’s so much more fun!
Good point about LF – we weren’t great shakes there anyway. I’d rather keep the better 2b where he is and take a flyer in an already weak OF position on Uggla.
GloryDays
November 17th, 2010
1:06 am
Uggla and Kelly Johnson
Bobby's Cox
November 17th, 2010
1:07 am
DOB,
How is Prado’s injury progressing? He was supposed to have no activity for 2 months and we’re just about at that 2-month mark. I know you have other things on your plate, & this may be a little premature, but any word?
iTiSi
November 17th, 2010
1:08 am
This deal just made a lot of people in TN happy. They may not realize it but this will increase attendance figures. Uggie has a lot of family, friends, and fans in his home state and they will drive to ATL, whereas Miami was way too far.
Ron Hyatt
November 17th, 2010
1:09 am
2011 will be the year the wheels fall off Dan Uggla.
alcoholic
November 17th, 2010
1:10 am
I’ll gladly take the path of the devil. i’m not drinking that wine
carlchamblee
November 17th, 2010
1:10 am
Rich – I welcome Uggla’s bat. I hate his defense. Our defense already stinks. The middle defense especially (2b, SS, CF) is vital for a team to succeed. Being better than Brooks Conrad is like being less evil than Satan. Who isn’t?
Bobby's Cox
November 17th, 2010
1:11 am
We’re probably waiting to see what we can do to get rid of the Kawakami dilemma, and maybe the McLouth fiasco, before we start contract negotiations with Uggla. Either way, I’m sure they’ll do a prorated deal until after Chipper’s salary is off the books. If Chipper retires early, we can then sign another player to a front loaded deal.
Bobby's Cox
November 17th, 2010
1:15 am
One thing that’s not talked about: think about the improvement in Uggla’s stats playing in front of a home crowd. You’d think that will increase his production…
Harry from da Burn
November 17th, 2010
1:17 am
Oh thank God, Infrante. For a second there I thought we gave up Infante for a clownfish.
David O'Brien
November 17th, 2010
1:18 am
I wouldn’t expect the manager to say his defense stinks would you? — carlchamblee
No, but if the manager believed it was as big a problem as you do, I’d expect him to tell the GM when the GM called him today to ask Gonzalez whether he’d do the deal. Or do you think the manager doesn’t want to have as good a team as possible, or doesn’t know the personnel involved as well as you do?
In Wren We Trust
November 17th, 2010
1:24 am
Anyone who says they don’t like Wren’s trades in reference to this deal is inherently stupid. In one of his first deals as Braves GM in 2007, he acquired a guy named Omar Infante, along with Will Ohman, for the then-future star, Jose Ascanio. Yes, two major leaguers for a guy who’s since pitched in 22 games in the majors, covering 40.2 innings with an ERA around 5.00. Last offseason, Wren acquired a stud pitching prospect, Arodys Vizcaino, along with Melky Cabrera and Mike Dunn for Javier Vazquez and Boone Logan. Argue what you may about Vazquez, but he had an awful season in pinstripes, while Logan very good in relief. Vizcaino still has to pan out, but the point being he was the headliner of the deal, while Melky was next in line and Dunn was the least-known and appreciated part of the deal. So, Wren, who acquired both Omar and Dunn for relatively little, now flips the two of them to Florida for a guy who’s averaged 31 HR and 93 RBI over the last five years and is a model of consistency (low HR – 27, high HR – 33, low RBI – 88, high RBI – 105). Long story short, to anyone who says they don’t like Wren’s deals in reference to this deal – you forfeit the right speak on the topic, as only Wren’s past deals made this deal possible. And, I for one, believe this is yet another in a long line of very good deals by Frank Wren – Jurrjens for Renteria, Omar and Ohman for Ascanio, etc. And for those of you who belittle the McLouth deal, what great payoff have the Pirates enjoyed? Do you want Charlie Morton, he of the 7.57 ERA in 17 starts in 2010, back? While both just 23, Jeff Locke and Gorkys Hernandez haven’t made it past AA yet. Some of you really need to get a clue.