6:26 pm November 16, 2010, by David O'Brien
chuck the barber
November 16th, 20109:45 pm
What’s Ryan Howard’s K to BB rate? Most power hitters don’t live by HR alone. Can’t drive home 100 without some gappers, too. BTW, errors only part of the story on defense. Does he get to more balls than most, judgement call errors, how’s he turn the DP? Uggla’s got that determination, doesn’t seem to fear the runner, a bit of Napoleon
November 16th, 20109:47 pm
Dave, any chance the Braves still go after Elsbury or Upton from Tampa?
also bill hall MAYBE as a utility player to replace infante instead of diaz
November 16th, 20109:50 pm
DOB.. I agree with signing Hinske but I think it’s time to pass on Diaz.. Plus he is a liabilty in the outfield especially going back on balls.. I think the Braves need to take a look at Andruw Jones..
November 16th, 20109:51 pm
Frank Wren is continuing a pattern of trading for career .260 hitters after one outlier career season (see McLouth, Nate and Gonzalez, Alex). Uggla gives the Braves power (much like Gonzo was supposed to give the Braves power) but at what cost? Taking the high average and plate discipline of Infante out of the top of the lineup in exchange for 150 more whiffs per season in the middle of the order? And let’s not forget that Infante was one of the few somewhat bright spots on this defensively challenged team last year, and he’s being replaced by one of the defensively weakest second basemen in the league.
At least let’s hope they can sign him to an extension. If Uggla walks after this year this trade will be atrocious. As of right now it is merely questionable.
November 16th, 20109:52 pm
Andruw is WAY to fat to play CF. You guys are living in the past. Get over this fascination of bringing re-treads back to ATL. We need McLouth to play like he did when we all got excited about getting him. We may as well because we are stuck with him. If we can make a deal for Ellsbury or either Upton, do it.
November 16th, 20109:53 pm
Very excited about this trade. Welcome to Atlanta, Uggla! Glad to have ya!
November 16th, 20109:54 pm
Oh yeah, and in the absence of another move this trade necessitates that Heyward remains in the #2 spot instead of moving into a more run-producing position in the order. Not a big fan of that.
Fan since 1977
November 16th, 20109:55 pm
Ted should buy back the Braves and sign Jason Werth.
November 16th, 20109:56 pm
Don’t let Terry Pendleton near him !
Hall to replace Infante and forget Diaz.. he can hit but thats all. One bad LF’er.
A Jones is past History…..no place for him in Atlanta.
Jimmy Beam, you are my friend
November 16th, 20109:58 pm
Wow! Am I in a drunken dream state, or is this really Braves news?! Go Frank, GO! I too, absolutely hate to give up Infante, and Dunn looks very promising, but thank the Lord above, I’m NOT GM. I don’t see all the in’s and out’s and contract terms and if’s, then’s, or but’s. Haha! And I’m sure all of you are glad I’m NOT GM, too!
Frank, just pulled the rug out from under about 8 other teams who were saying, “I’ll get Uggla, and you get _______, and then you can trade ________ for #######.”
Wow! Time for another adult beverage….. I might even go kiss my cousin, Jack. Jack Daniels.
DHd.. Andruw is past his Fat Albert days.. He learned his lesson after almost being banished from baseball but has got himself back into shape and has had decent numbers in limited play the past 2 yrs.. I know he seems old but Andruw is only 33yrs old!! BOOYAH!!!
November 16th, 20109:59 pm
Najeh, usually I think you’re spot on in your analysis, but I wouldn’t call Uggla’s 2010 season an “outlier career season.” True, he did have a career-high OPS at .877, but it was a mere three points higher than his 2008 total. His slugging totals have been pretty consistent (.480, .479, .514, .459, .508).
With a guy like McLouth, it was fair to wonder if he was a one-year wonder. But with Uggla I think we pretty much know what we’re getting, which is a guy who’s going to hit 30 homers with an .800+ OPS.
Chipper needs to move to first base.
November 16th, 201010:00 pm
I’d still sign Diaz and Hinske for bench.
Agree re: Pendleton but he ain’t hitting coach no more. Thank God. He’s gonna steal his money holding shin guards at 1B.
November 16th, 201010:02 pm
And for those of you trying to argue that Infante was a fluke last season, think again. Infante had the same OBP in 2010 as in 2009, and the same SLG last year as in 2008. Uggla on the other hand had an OPS last year that was 60 points higher than his last three seasons.
If anyone is likely to disappoint in this deal, it seems like Uggla, not Infante.
November 16th, 201010:03 pm
Good move braves but i still like infante.
Braves Fan in Illinois
Great trade. Frank Wren continues to do an excellent job.
November 16th, 201010:04 pm
To accomodate this move we plan on starting Chipper at SS. He did play that position in the minors.
Oh great…another stocky player with no speed who strikes out a lot and doesn’t field his position well.
November 16th, 201010:06 pm
Go get crawford 6year 100mill and the braves will be in business.
JoJo the Godfather
Najeh…Omar’s OBP was lower than Uggla’s last year, and is lower than Uggla’s for their careers.
November 16th, 201010:07 pm
just say no to Diaz………
RJB in DC
November 16th, 201010:08 pm
I know I am opening myself up to flames on this one, but I just am not sure why people view Hinske as being more valuable to the Braves than Diaz (under the circumstances). Both are arguably bench players who should do spot duty in the outfield or at first when necessary. Matt is far more effective against left handed pitching, and also serves as the “emergency catcher”. Because he can do this, we are one of the teams that doesn’t carry three catchers on the roster. And he is a year younger than Hinske. Sure, Hinske has more pop off the bat as a pinch hitter, but I can’t see him behind the dish.
Still, maybe it isn’t such a big deal anymore with the AAA club being 45 minutes up the interstate.
November 16th, 201010:09 pm
Perhaps this is the piece that makes Liberty Media go “hmm with one big signing we could win a WS” and decide a Carl Crawford size investment could yield dividends.
We haven’t committed any money so far and have substantially improved. Sign Crawford. Even the Phillies would blanch at our lineup.
Highway robbery….plain and simple!
Not only do we have him now – he won’t kill us 18 times per year.
Seriously, that’s the best deal the Fish could get? Do they think they’re getting Adam Dunn instead of Mike?
Leave me out of this. I’m out of the baseball business. Do you know what kind of great s–t they grow out here in Montana. It’s groovy, man….
Infante for President
November 16th, 201010:10 pm
Well, last post under this moniker. Good trade, Wren. Really, a ridiculously good trade. I’ll miss Infante a lot, but when you can get a power hitter like Uggla… you’ve got to pull the trigger. No question.
Uggla for President? I don’t know. Doesn’t have quite the same ring…
November 16th, 201010:12 pm
OK, d–khead, what would you have done?
Speedy Gonzalez ( Fredis cousin)
November 16th, 201010:14 pm
Chipper needs to be dropped to the 6 hole if he comes back with JHey in the 3 hole, Uggly hitting cleanup, McCann 5th, Larry 6th, & Gonzo 7th
maybe when the marlins fall out of competition by the deadline, we can trade to get omar back! since he’s only going to be there for a year. btw whoever thinks that dunn is the best reliever for next year is crazy. did u forger kimbrel, venters, and possibly moylan? bwahahahahhaha
The great thing about free agency is that you dont have to lose any of your guys. Not sure why we trade Omar and Dunn for Uggla, when you can just sign a player like Uggla. OK, maybe not a power 2b but someone, and then adjust accordingly. That way we keep Omar. Questionable move, but go Braves.
November 16th, 201010:15 pm
Left field my ass!! Nobody cleared that with me!! Anyone have Scott Boras’ number?
November 16th, 201010:17 pm
4.UGGLA SECOND BASE
FW, dont sweat it, LD stands for little d***, so take it for what its worth, Uggla puts us right in the mix again, playoff baseball is back in the ATL!!!!!!!!!! nice job Frank
wow its been hours since more news, is Wren on vacation now or what, and where are the proposals of a package deal of Hinske/diaz for Rasmus and quality minor league pitcher. too soon i guess, still must be buzzing over Uggla
November 16th, 201010:18 pm
Wish Chipper would retire! He is just showing up for the paychecks!
November 16th, 201010:19 pm
Nice to see that Dan Uggla’s agent Terry Bross also represented Tom Glavine…
This trade sucks !!! Uggla might have a big bat, but he’s a definite liability in the field (can anyone say Brooks Conrad?) I remember Uggla’s performance in the All-Star game a couple of years ago. He made several errors in the field, and choked at least twice with a chance to drive in the winning run. The NL lost in extra innings. I also can’t believe Wrenn mentioned Conrad as a utility infielder. I don’t have a problem with Conrad as a pinch-hitter, but I think we all saw what he does defensively. Infante was one of the Braves most valuable players last year. I think we will rue the day this trade was made.
November 16th, 201010:21 pm
I do have a little jimmy. How’d you know?
November 16th, 201010:22 pm
Darrell….you might want to move one of those guys over to left field
I Miss Skip
November 16th, 201010:23 pm
Now bag Delmon Young and look like a genius!
November 16th, 201010:25 pm
Step away from the crack pipe. We got a right handed power bat. Conrad only made this team because of his stick off the bench. No one expected him to start ANYWHERE during the playoffs. Don’t forget he was trying to replace an All-Star second baseman.
This was a good deal.
November 16th, 201010:28 pm
ALL – we ain’t getting Crawford, Werth, Upton, Cliff Lee, Babe Ruth. or any other free agent not already on our team last year. Get over it.
Just The Facts
November 16th, 201010:29 pm
Wonder what number Uggie will wear? He was 6 with the Fish. Braves web site has it as 6 on home page but not on the roster. Won’t 6 not be an option since Cox was 6?
November 16th, 201010:31 pm
Anyone else before I go to bed, bEATches?? Bring your uninformed asses on!
It’s my team, and I’ll do what I want to….
November 16th, 201010:32 pm
Great move Frank.
One question, and maybe you can help with this DOB: if Uggla’s defense at 2nd is so questionable, why does he get the immediate nod at 2nd rather than Prado. Why not have Uggla in left?
November 16th, 201010:37 pm
Probably I’d keep the good infielders that I had, and instead go out and fill the gaping holes in the outfield with some players who had a little speed. Adding a 30 HR guy to a team that already potentially has 6 20 HR guys doesn’t seem like such a coup to me.
Maybe someday, if I’m really lucky, I can be as awesome as you.
Mark – Prado has played LF in winter ball several times is why Uggla goes to 2B
The Real Brave
November 16th, 201010:38 pm
“We’re satisfied he’s here for one year.”-Wren
Here we go again!
November 16th, 201010:41 pm
I’m sick and tired of the Braves trading for “ONE YEAR RENTAL PLAYERS.”
My goodness Sign Uggla to a five year deal and be done with it!!! These one year things never work out!!!
November 16th, 201010:42 pm
Wow, how can some of you people not like this trade? We just got a RH 30+ HR 850+ OPS hitter for a utility player and our 3rd best LH bullpen arm. This trade SIGNIFICANTLY improves our team next year without giving up any of our core young players or top prospects. Sidenote: For those of you who think we’re going to sign Crawford, keep dreaming.
November 16th, 201010:46 pm
For all of you Uggla fans…check out his defensive stats…73 errors in 5 years. In the 2008 All-Star game, he was horrible…0-4 at the plate, three (3) errors in the field (cost the NL a win). Plus, he strikes out a lot. I would never have made this trade.
I dreamed about Uggla last night
November 16th, 201010:49 pm
i wouldent mind them resighing ankiel at alll good glove good speed and a great arm in center
Just Wanna Say
Wren has made it clear he wants to sign him. Chill out folks. Uggla is in Mexico right now. He’s bee a brave for 5 hours. Calm down.
November 16th, 201010:50 pm
Like this a lot! An average defensive player who can hit vs one who can’t is a no brainer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It will be nice seeing some 3-run homers for a change. Finally our starters may have some runs to work with. Now maybe we can pick some speed.
Just a thought, how about resigning Jeff F. to play RF and move Jason H. to CF?
November 16th, 201010:51 pm
Unless we get a center fielder thst can hit, run, field and throw the Phillies will blow us away again. McLouse is a loser.
November 16th, 201010:52 pm
Awesome job, Frankie! Couldn’t be happier. To those who want Upton and Crawford though, don’t get carried away. Uggla IS our big catch. He’s the turkey, now all Wren has to do is pick up the trimmings. I imagine this almost locks in Atlanta signing Eric Hinske. I’d like to see us go out and get a reliever (or best case scenario: talk Wags out of retirement), and go out and get one more piece for for the bench.
November 16th, 201010:53 pm
Yeah, Frank Wren, we got a right handed power bat, who can’t catch a cold in the field…has a .980 fielding average…strikes out 150 times a season. Yeah, that’s what we need alright.
November 16th, 201010:54 pm
Great trade FW, Welcome to the ATLANTA BRAVES, DAN UGGLA!!!!!!!
That’s an absolute Steal because we get a legitimate 2nd baseman and we get to bring up a quality rookie reliever/bring in a veteran pitcher like Heath Bell to help Venters and Kimbrel close games.
November 16th, 201010:55 pm
For all of you non-Uggla fans… if you’ve watched the Braves at all the past few years, you know how dangerous this guy is at the plate. He single-handedly beat us more times than I can remember. His offensive output greatly offsets his defensive liability.
Matt the Brave
November 16th, 201010:57 pm
George, you fool, what power have we had in our lineup for the last four years? Nothing, that’s what. Uggla will more than make up in his bat than what he might miss in the field.
Uggla is a terrible second baseman. He’s got to play left field.
November 16th, 201011:02 pm
I am glad to have Uggla but if this turns into YET ANOTHER one year rent-a-player, I am gonna be peeved.
November 16th, 201011:03 pm
Freeman hasn’t proven himself, Atlanta gave up “too much” in the deal.. what the hell are some of you smoking? Wren dealt from a position of STRENGTH- the bench and the ‘pen. Do you really think we’re going to go into the 2011 season with 3 count them 3 left handed relievers?
And yeah, Omar Infante is a super utility man but his high obp / avg is a bunch of singles. What this team NEEDS is power. Infante is far from the heart of this team.. ahem.. that would be players with the last names such as McCann, Hanson, Kimbrel, Heyward, etc.
Freeman hasn’t “proven” himself.. yeah.. true.. i mean he was named MVP of the 2009 AFL and knock out 18 bombers at a .319 clip for AAA Gwinnett. Yeah, he’s totally not proven himself. what the friggn’ Ell. Freeman has established(big word that means proven for the laymen) himself MORE than Heyward had.
Your starting 8 for ‘11:
1 Lf Prado
2 Rf Heyward
3 3b Jones
4 2b Uggla
5 C McCann
6 Ss Gonzalez
7 1b Freeman
8 Cf McLouth
November 16th, 201011:04 pm
Matt the Brave…time will tell who’s the “fool”. I’ve probably been a baseball fan longer than you’ve been alive, and a Braves fan since 1954 when they were in Milwaukee.
SF Braves Fan
November 16th, 201011:05 pm
I didn’t like the idea of picking up Uggla earlier, but obviously I didn’t anticipate us being able to get him for so little. The more I think about this trade, the happier I am.
November 16th, 201011:06 pm
“Another one year rental” is only a bad thing if you give up something significant. The Braves gave up a veteran utility guy and a project lefty reliever. Zero prospects….I repeat…zero prospects. Brilliant move.
Braves #17 Fan
November 16th, 201011:07 pm
Good job, Frank and Fredi. Welcome home, Dan. Get used to an average of 12,000 more fans for home games. Is Crawford next?
November 16th, 201011:08 pm
Dan Uggla struck out 49 more times than Troy Glaus last season. Nuff Said. But while I’m at it, in 2008 when Glaus actually played in more games than Uggla, Uggla struck out 67 more times. I’m just saying, if you got tired of Glaus leaving runners in scoring positon, Uggla is in another league!!
November 16th, 201011:12 pm
What is with the whole “I’m older there for i’m the greater, more knowledgeable fan”. Just because you have been a fan of the braves since they were bean eating in boston doesn’t make you more knowledgeable or greater than a kid attending his first ball game.
That has to be the biggest self-imposed stereotype known to man “i’m older than you so therefore I’m smarter. I win”. What a crock
November 16th, 201011:13 pm
By the way, if power is such a necessity, how is it that the Giants won the World Series with Aubrey Huff as their big power bat? Yeah, Frank is a genius for signing Glaus instead of Huff . This is another McClouth, A.Gonzalez, Melky Cabrera, Troy Glaus, Derrick Lee, “genius” move by Frank Wren. Keep bringing in the sure bet “power solutions”. None of them have panned out yet!!
November 16th, 201011:15 pm
1) Dan Uggla is en route to Mexico thus unavailable for extension talks.
2)An extension has by no means been ruled out by Frank Wren.
3)Omar Infante too is a free agent at the end of the 2011 season.
4)Unlike Infante, Uggla is a Type A so if he does indeed walk- we get compensation picks.
4A) Should Uggla walk, come on.. we essentially give up a BENCH player and a lefty reliever for a guy that has hit 30+ home runs the last four consecutive seasons and has a career .354 avg at Turner Field.
Win.. Win.. Win.. Win..oh yeah, WIN.
November 16th, 201011:17 pm
I am telling you our new utility will be Ed Lucas…we just signed him…He hit over 300 this year in triple A Omaha….
November 16th, 201011:19 pm
@ Fred’s: Giants won with one thing- pitching pitching pitching.
What does Atlanta have? Pitching pitching pitching.
Now for me the dream scenario would be Billy Wagner putting off retirement for one more season. You hear that fat man in the red suit– I want Billy Wagner for Christmas!!
Uggla may strike out quite a bit but he also does something else– HITS HOMERUNS. I know. It’s been so long since Atlanta actually had a power threat and that thing called power is probably a little fuzzy in your memory.
Now.. if only we still had Hubbard around to work with uggs on defense. O.o
November 16th, 201011:20 pm
If we can sign him to an extention…then great move. If not, we just put a band-aid on a gusher. Looks good on paper if it’s just not for one year.
November 16th, 201011:22 pm
Suppose the Braves have asked Wagner not to officially retire? I say this because he might be willing to do a Roger Clemens type deal, not sign until late, not making him eligible until June (I think). Might be willing to play 2/3 of a season.
You are trading and all-star utility man and a pitching prospect who combine payroll might be $2.2 Mil for a second baseman making $10 Mil. are you telling me the DU production is 5 times what Omar’s is. Be honest, Chipper is done. It is hard to watching him play. He is an old 38. Why even consider bring him back and playing him at 3rd. And you are moving MP to Left. How many position dide you just weaken and increased you payroll doing it. This was a very bad move. Wren, you need outfielders and a shortstop. Please do your job.
November 16th, 201011:23 pm
He better hit 30HR’s to make up for all the errors. Heyward is going to be having flashbacks of Conrad playing 2nd and having to field all those ground balls rolling through his legs. I hope the Braves aren’t done….I hope the will go after a BJ Upton or someone to play center that can be a true leadoff guy and steal some bases.
Wren 4 President
November 16th, 201011:25 pm
Dan Uggla boosts this team up to the 95 win range
Phillie loses out on Werth– the NL East Pennant will be back in Atlanta come 2011.
November 16th, 201011:27 pm
Rent a player continues with Wren. He will be here one year and gone for Big money with another team.
Did any not read the article about the CEO of the Braves organization, he personally made more than the entire Braves payroll last year ? He is not giving up his money and there are share holders to appease.
If he some how bombs this year…or gets hurt……. this IS crazy.
Remember….. he personally wants a 5 year deal at 14.2 million a year, or 71 million and the Braves will NEVER give him that !
We lost a great young pitcher, and Infante, who was a really great team player.
We win the World Series Great trade, we don’t stupid as HELL !
November 16th, 201011:30 pm
I too will miss Infante. Not to worry though, one year with the Marlins and the Braves may have the opportunity to re-sign him after the ‘11 season when he’s a free agent.
We need a shortstop? uhm.. Alex Gonzalez?
Dan Uggla has “insurance policy” written all over him. Chipper goes down, Prado goes to 3rd, Hinske to left until a more permanent solution presents itself.
2.2 million on a bench player and a reliever that did not win us the pennant, that did not get us past the first round of the playoffs.
Only idiots do the same thing over expecting a different outcome.
November 16th, 201011:31 pm
It may not feel like it now, but we just sold the farm for an old mule. Not a good move.
November 16th, 201011:33 pm
You cannot beat Infante’s versatility. Defensively he will be tough to replace. Plus tossing in Dunn?
As happy as we feel, Marlin fans must be ecstatic (all 3 of them).
November 16th, 201011:38 pm
How is Omar Infante and Michael Dunn “selling the farm” ?!
I fail to see how 2 players (not prospects) is “selling the farm”.
November 16th, 201011:44 pm
I swear that some of you started following baseball last week. I love Omar, but I’d trade three Omars for Uggla. You are a complete idiot if you think we sold the farm, a super utility is more important than a top shelf power threat, and Uggla’s strikeouts are a big deal. Power hitters strike out alot. It happens. Seriously, where do some of you people spew this trash from? Educate yourself. We just had our way with the Marlins. Enjoy it.
November 16th, 201011:45 pm
No way you can compare to the mclouth trade
nate was only good for one year and that was ‘08
unless you think batting .260 or lower is good enough..
November 16th, 201011:46 pm
Are any of you even going to remember Michael Dunn in two years? No offense, Mr. Dunn.
CKgator — With Ventors and O’Flaherty ahead of him, Dunn would likely spend as much or more time in Gwinnett than Atlanta.
November 16th, 201011:47 pm
If you compare this to the Tex trade, please jump off of a bridge before you decide to breed.
You are wrong. The Braves needed a right handed power hitter, and that is exactly what they got. Oh, and they did it without trading Minor, Teheran or Delgado. Suck it….suck it.
I’m sorry, I’m not usually this mad about posters, but the stupidity I see on this blog about this trade is really bothering me on a personal level.
PEOPLE, WREN TRADED A REPLACEABLE UTILITY GUY AND A LEFTY PROJECT PITCHER FOR A PROVEN 30-HOMER, 100-RBI GUY!!! WHAT THE HECK….WHY IS EVERYONE NOT ECSTATIC.
You cannot beat Infante’s versatility. Defensively he will be tough to replace. Plus tossing in Dunn?
As happy as we feel, Marlin fans must be ecstatic — ckgator
I really hope you’re kidding. No, really. I hope you really don’t believe Marlins fans are happy with this trade.
November 16th, 201011:50 pm
Uggla had 18 errors last year, the combination of Infante, Conrad, and Prado had 14 during the season………..so add the 4 to the impressive 126 we made as a team, and we would lead the league in errors.
Uggla has 73 in 5 seasons and his defense is NOT getting any better.
Add a healthy Chipper at third, Gonzalez at short, and Uggla at second………. the Braves now have easily the most pour-is of infields in either league.
Add the strike out totals for Dan……149…….wow the errors and strikeouts are going to kill the pitching.
Sorry I don’t like the trade.
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