At the GM meetings: Braves ready to make move?

ORLANDO – So I’m sitting at the Atlanta airport, waiting for my delayed flight to Orlando – aargh — after scarfing some Paschal’s fried chicken and lima beans (thank you for your location in Concourse A, Paschal brothers) and guzzling a few cups of this Delta Sky Club (formerly Crown Room) coffee.

Baseball’s general managers meetings start Tuesday morning, and I will be there at the Waldorf Astoria (baseball execs don’t mess around when they meet) ready to chronicle what could be a busier-than-usual GM meetings. Or not.

Depending whom you talk to, this year’s meetings could actually include some deals consummated, rather than just a feeling-out sort of thing to see what other clubs are looking for.

Or, it’ll just be the typical groundwork-laying type of get-together the GMs have, where they spend time talking informally about possible deals to come, after they’ve spent the morning in group sessions discussing possible rule changes like adding another wild-card team, making the schedule more balanced, expanding the use of replay, etc.

Braves have interest in Marlins slugger Dan Uggla if he's on trade block.

Braves have interest in Marlins slugger Dan Uggla if he's on trade block.

They decided to combine these GM meetings with the quarterly ownership meetings, which are later in the week. The meetings will overlap Thursday, when the GMs will sit in with the owners and everyone will count stacks of money (OK, just kidding about that part).

No, but seriously, they’ve actually made efforts to save a bit of money by only inviting the GMs to these meetings, not their top assistants and right-hand men. In past years, each team had a handful or more officials, including top scouts and assistant GMs. This time, it’s just the 30 GMs.

Teams and the players association agreed to modify the winter timetable this year. First, they cut the 15-day period of exclusive negotiations between teams and their own free agents to just five days after the World Series.

They moved up the date that teams must offer arbitration to their players who became free agents, to Nov. 23, and the date those free agents must accept or decline those offers, to Nov. 30.

The non-tender date was moved up to Dec. 2, which is particularly important. That means teams will already know which players are free agents, who’s been offered arbitration, and who accepted or declined, all before the Dec. 6-9 Winter Meetings.

The Winter Meetings are the big ones, where rumors fly non-stop for four days and some deals actually get done. This year, maybe more deals than in quite some time. Remember last December, at the Winter Meetings in Indianapolis, when Rafael Soriano was among the big-salaried free agents that waited till right before the midnight deadline to accept arbitration? (And I mean, right up to the bloody deadline. Thanks.)

He accepted, and the Braves scrambled to trade him (for Jesse Chavez) before GM Frank Wren and Co. caught their flight home from Indy.

Teams will also know before the Winter Meetings which players have been non-tendered (that deadline came after the Winter Meetings in the past).

The purpose of all the changes was to get things moving earlier in the winter, so teams might not feel it’s necessary to wait until late December or January to see how the market shapes up before signing free agents or making trades.

“In theory it would make sense that the winter might move along a little quicker,” Wren said. “But I don’t think any of us know for sure. It’s kind of an experiment that the two sides agreed on, to see if it would lead to earlier signings and trades for players.”

Tampa Bay might trade enigmatic center fielder B.J. Upton, an enormously talented player on the cusp of stardom before slipping the past two seasons.

It's unclear whether Tampa Bay would trade enigmatic center fielder B.J. Upton, an enormously talented player on the cusp of stardom before slipping the past two seasons.

Agent Scott Boras –- perhaps you’ve heard of him? — is notorious for having big-ticket free agents in his stable of clients wait until after Christmas to sign. He said he welcomes the new offseason timetable and that it should hasten the process of trades and signings, and get teams to make serious offers earlier.

Boras said it should eliminate some of the obstacles that deterred deals from taking place at previous GM meetings and Winter Meetings.

“It’s like the difference in going to the airport and knowing your plane is not taking off for two hours,” he said, “and going to the airport now and knowing the plane is full and ready to take off.”

The new deadlines should make for more deal-making at the Winter Meetings, also to be held here in the shadow of Dark Star. (Oh boy — two trips to Orlando in the offseason before six-plus weeks here at spring training. To think, Winter Meetings were in Vegas two years ago, and GM meetings in Dana Point, Calif….)

Wait. They’re making an announcement here in the Crown Room … er Sky Club.  speaking of airports, they just announced that the gate has been changed for our delayed flight. Moved from Concourse A to T Terminal. I gotta pack the laptop up and get over there. Talk to you in a while.

… Four hours later: OK, so I’m in my hotel room in Orlando (hence the Orlando dateline), finishing this blog so I can post it and get a little sleep. (And no, I’m not at the Waldorf. Can’t get that through on an expense report. I’ll be driving a few miles over to the Waldorf here in a bit.)

Where were we? Oh, yeah. The timetable. It remains to be seen if it will have much effect on stimulating deals these next few days at the GM meetings.

Because if a lot of GMs decide that they want to wait until seeing which free agents are offered arbitration and which accept or decline, then these meetings might become no more eventful, in terms of deals, than recent GM meetings.

A couple of days ago, Wren said that the Braves weren’t yet close to doing any deal. (But I’d just add, things can change in a hurry, with just one phone call from or to a receptive potential trade partner. )

Teams including the Braves might wait to see if a player such as Ryan Ludwick is non-tendered by the Padres. Some teams will wait to see if the Braves non-tender Matt Diaz, who could interest teams looking for a platoon LF who can rake against lefties.

Diaz made about $2.5 mill last season and has indicated he’d play for that much again this year and skip the arb process if the Braves want him.

As for Ludwick, he could get an arbitration raise of at least $1 million over his $5.45 million salary from 2010, despite hitting only .251 with 17 homers and a modest .743 OPS, including a .631 OPS in 59 games after being traded from St. Louis to San Diego.

If he’s non-tendered and becomes a free agent, the Braves could make a run at Ludwick, whom they tried to trade for a couple of years ago after his 37-homer, 113-RBI, .966 OPS season with the Cards in 2008.

Uggla interest: Of course, it’s also possible the Braves could have their big bat already in the fold by then, if we’re to believe Marlins officials who indicate they’ll trade Dan Uggla quickly if contract talks remain stalled.

The Braves are among at least five teams that have inquired about Uggla, though it’s not clear if the Braves’ interest in the big-bat, clunky-glove second baseman is as strong as interest in him from other teams including Toronto.

Wren said at beginning of the offseason that Braves might get creative in their pursuit of a big bat, and a pursuit of Uggla would fit that description.

Creative in that the Braves could end up moving an All-Star 2B to LF. Either Uggla, who’s made two All-Star teams (and averaged more than 30 homers per season) in his five years in the majors. Or Martin Prado, an All-Star 2B in 2010 in his first full season as a lineup regular.

Or, either Uggla or Prado could fill in for Chipper Jones if the veteran third baseman isn’t full recovered from knee surgery.

Prado was, of course, a utility player until midseason 2009. And after he fractured a pinkie just before the All-Star break this year, he came back from the DL and moved to third base, which was a little easier on his still-aching finger.

Moving around is nothing new for the agreeable, hard-nosed Prado, and he’s played the outfield some in winter ball. Uggla also played some left field in the minors, but only for 20 games back in 2004.

I mentioned this in the comments section of the last blog: The Uggla solution – as long as the Braves don’t have to give up a good player from their current team, or too much in terms of prospects — really could be perfectly suited for the Braves in their  current state of uncertainty, vis-à-vis the Chipper situation.

He’s coming back from major knee surgery at age 38, and while he’s had no setbacks this winter, it’s hardly a given that Chipper will be just fine and ready to roll come opening day.

So think about it: What other available slugger would fit the Braves’ needs as well as Uggla, in terms of being able to play second base, third base, or possibly left field, while giving the Braves the right-handed power bat they’re so determined this offseason?

Doing that by trading or signing a big-salaried outfielder doesn’t work nearly as well, in that it leaves the Braves’ bench weakened because they would presumably have Omar Infante in the regular lineup again if Chipper’s not ready.

The Braves could attempt trade for Tampa Bay center fielder B.J. Upton and hope he returns to something closer to his 2007-2008 form, rather than the decline of his past two seasons. He’d give them blazing speed, some pop, and excellent defense, but his OBP has been all over the map, from .386 and .383 in 2007 and ‘08, to .313 and .322 the past two seasons. And it remains to be seen if the Rays would even trade him.

Or they could wait and see if St. Louis might trade coveted young center fielder Colby Rasmus, although Cardinals GM John Mozeliak told the Post-Dispatch over the weekend that Rasmus would be “almost impossible” to replace, and all indications are the the Cardinals will keep the still-cheap, left-handed slugger.

Anyway, the Braves would prefer to add right-handed power to their left-heavy lineup. They could make a run at Carlos Quentin, although the White Six would surely demand a good player or at least a top prospect in return.

The White Sox might trade slugger Carlos Quentin, but probably not without getting a proven player in return.

The White Sox might trade slugger Carlos Quentin, but probably not without getting a proven player in return.

The Braves could try to pry Delmon Young from the Twins, who have a lot of outfielders and might be willing to trade Young if they don’t believe he’ll repeat last year’s career-best .298-21-112/.826 OPS season. He’s only 24 and has already had four full seasons.

If the Yankees end up pursuing Carl Crawford or Jayson Werth, they might be open to trading outfielders Nick Swisher or Curtis Granderson. But that might be something that doesn’t develop until later in the winter, and the Braves might prefer not to wait that long to get a power bat.

Two other names that we’ve discussed before might be available: Boston’s Jacoby Ellsbury, who doesn’t provide big power, but has blazing speed, defense and a high average/OBP, provided he’s healthy; and Juan Rivera of the Angels, who slipped from 25 homers/.810 OPS in 2009 to 15/.721 in 2010, He’s 32 and owed $5.25 million in 2011 before becoming eligible for free agency, so unless the Angels will trade him without asking much in return, that doesn’t seem such an attractive option.

As we’ve said before, we can throw around a dozen names, and there’s a pretty good chance that Wren will end up signing or trading for one that we’ve barely mentioned, if we’ve mentioned at all. He and his staff are more tight-lipped about their maneuverings than almost any other team.

So hang on, and we’ll see what the buzz is the next couple of days here in The Happiest Place on Earth. (I think I just tasted that fried chicken again as I typed that line.)

Good work, Huddy: Braves pitcher Tim Hudson will receive the 46th annual Hutch Award, which goes to a major league player “who best exemplifies the honor, courage and dedication” of ex-player Fred Hutchinson, on and off the field.

Hudson, 35, made the NL All-Star team in his first full season since “Tommy John” elbow surgery, and was named Comeback Player of the Year.

He’ll visit the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, founded by Fred Hutchinson’s brother, Bill, a prominent Seattle surgeon, after Fred died of cancer at 45.

The Hudson Family Foundation, founded by Tim and Kim Hudson, helps children and their families ease the financial burdens of critical illnesses. The Hudsons also support the Make-A-Wish Foundation and are partners with The Moyer Foundation, founded by pitcher Jamie Moyer, to expand Camp Erin, a bereavement camp for children.

Etc: Shortstop Andrelton Simmons, a second-round draft pick by the Braves, was rated the best defensive player in the entire 2010 draft by Baseball America in its post-draft report card…  BBWAA awards continue Tuesday with the NL Cy Young, followed by NL and AL managers of the year on Wednesday, AL Cy Young on Thursday, the NL MVP on Monday (Nov. 22), and the AL MVP on Tuesday (Nov. 23).

♣ Alright, let’s close this with a tune from one of the best albums of the year, The National’s High Violet. Great band. Here’s the too-cool, highly unusual video.

thenational

“BLOODBUZZ OHIO” by The National

Stand up straight at the foot of your love

I lift my shirt up

Stand up straight at the foot of your love

I lift my shirt up

I’ll rest my eyes till the fevers outta me

I’ll rest my eyes to the rivers in the sea

I’ll rest my eyes till the fevers outta me

I’ll rest my eyes to the rivers in the sea

I was carried to Ohio in a swarm of bees

I’ll never marry but Ohio don’t remember me

I still owe money to the money to the money I owe

I never thought about love when I thought about home

I still owe money to the money to the money I owe

The floors are falling out from everybody I know

I’m on a blood buzz

Yes I am

I’m on a blood buzz

I’m on a blood buzz

God I am

I’m on a blood buzz

Lay my head on the hood of your car

I’ll take it too far

Lay my head on the hood of your car

I’ll take it too far

I’ll rest my eyes till the fevers outta me

I’ll rest my eyes to the rivers in the sea

I’ll rest my eyes till the fevers outta me

I’ll rest my eyes to the rivers in the sea

I’m on a blood buzz

Yes I am

I’m on a blood buzz

I’m on a blood buzz

God I am

I’m on a blood buzz

I was carried to Ohio in a swarm of bees

I’ll never marry but Ohio don’t remember me

I still owe money to the money to the money I owe

I never thought about love when I thought about home

I still owe money to the money to the money I owe

The floors are falling out from everybody I know

I’m on a blood buzz

Yes I am

I’m on a blood buzz

I’m on a blood buzz

God I am

I’m on a blood buzz

5,065 comments Add your comment

ward

November 16th, 2010
4:28 am

Uggla would be great, and i would be excited to see him become a Brave. Thanks DOB for the update. I’ve been waiting for some news.”Go!!! Braves!!!.”

ward

November 16th, 2010
4:29 am

It’s very late!!!! See you Guy’s in the morning.”Go!!! Braves!!!

MattyRoss

November 16th, 2010
4:51 am

Can’t decide if earlier hot stove action will make the remaining weeks before P and C’s more or less bearable. Guess we’ll see. Thanks for bringing the wood as always, DOB.

PS Got a feeling you and Tomahawkin especially would be into the new Girl Talk offering. Even if mashups and the like aren’t really your thing (seems like it might be a reach), there are more than a few pretty impressive moments.

Bobby's Cox

November 16th, 2010
4:56 am

How about they save even more money and conduct the GM meetings via Go To Meeting?

Bobby's Cox

November 16th, 2010
5:04 am

I’m all for Uggla, Upton, and especially Kemp and Young. Would really love either one of these guys. Juan Rivera was one of the top fundamentally sound hitters I watched 2 years ago (great discipline). He’d be a good option as well if we can’t get Upton, Kemp, or Young for CF. Kemp or Young would be huge.

Just Saying...

November 16th, 2010
5:06 am

Delmon Young is poison. Ask anyone in Tampa Bay.

JasonInFL

November 16th, 2010
5:25 am

Welcome back to sunny central FL, DOB! How about Upton and Uggla? (:

Hanshin Tigers

November 16th, 2010
5:59 am

DOB:

I just read your post on Kawakami clearing the waiver. You mentioned that the Braves wanted to do this so that they can add any player who they want to protect from Rule 5 draft to the 40-men rosters. Now, does this mean Kawakami may be picked by another team during the Rule 5 draft? If so, what happens to his salary at that point?

TnBrian

November 16th, 2010
6:19 am

DOB, good 4 in the morning blog.

I hope we get a hitter this week. I get ansty and also get tired of wondering as a fan who that guy will be. Of course I understand though why these things would take a while. I’m just anxious for something to get done soon. Even if not, maybe we at least hear something big.

Now it’s time to get ready for work. Buncha BS is what it is. Not fun having supervisors in your ear this early. Fu-k.

spinelli

November 16th, 2010
6:46 am

What does FW need to give up for Upton?

dogman

November 16th, 2010
7:10 am

If the braves make a trade they will give up a lot of talent that will one day find themselves in the All Star game and the World Series and win Rookie of the Year. That is the kind of trades they usually make and get “Burnt”. They will give up the rest of the farm for a one year rental like they done in the infamous Tex trade. See who won “Rookie of the Year” and who was one of the best if not the best shortstop in the American League and this was due to the stupidity of the braves.

jeffrey d

November 16th, 2010
7:21 am

Early bird special. Thanks for all the great work, DOB

jeffrey d

November 16th, 2010
7:24 am

Dogman – we had Tex for 2007 and 2008…he wasn’t a one year rental. And I loved the trade when we first did it, and I still stand by that. Giving up a couple top prospects was a necessary evil for gaining one of baseball’s top hitters who (ideally) would have put us in contention for two postseasons. It didn’t work out, but Teixeira certainly did his part.

Sue

November 16th, 2010
7:40 am

jeffrey d- We had Tex from mid year 2007 to mid year 2008. That’s one year.

jeffrey d

November 16th, 2010
7:41 am

And two postseasons

jeffrey d

November 16th, 2010
7:41 am

Plate Appearance

November 16th, 2010
7:42 am

I really hope Wren isn’t thinking of trading for Uggla.

The Capital Avenue Club has a well thought out article on this possibility entitled “Pursuing Dan Uggla Would Be A Mistake.”

Here’s the link: http://capitolavenueclub.com/

Gulf Coast

November 16th, 2010
7:46 am

DOB, enjoy the nice FL weather and hit Old Town in Kissimee Thuursday night, it is right up your alley . . .

Gulf Coast

November 16th, 2010
7:47 am

rainman376toothpicks

November 16th, 2010
7:51 am

That’s a lot options, Dave. You left out “stand pat and go with McLouth in CF & some rookie in LF”. A blind retarded man knows the Braves need new a LF & CF. You’d think a GM would know it too !

rainman376toothpicks

November 16th, 2010
7:54 am

The problem jeffrey d was Tex left after that year and everyone thought he was going to sign a multi-year deal with the Braves. But just like J.D. Drew, he opted for more cash instead of playing for his hometown team. There’s a special place in hell for those greedy players. Scott Boras will be the commander of that group in Hades.

coach

November 16th, 2010
8:06 am

Todays AJC Headline: Home Depot 3rd-quarter net income rises
Please Mr. Blank, Buy the Braves!!!

JT Grace

November 16th, 2010
8:13 am

Rainman, Teixeira’s hometown team is the Orioles, not the Braves.

JT Grace

November 16th, 2010
8:14 am

Dan Uggla would be the PERFECT player for the Braves to get – as long as it doesn’t require giving up top prospects OR if the Marlins give the Braves a window of opportunity to sign him to a contract extension.

Braveheart

November 16th, 2010
8:18 am

The problem jeffrey d was Tex left after that year and everyone thought he was going to sign a multi-year deal with the Braves.

Who thought he was gonna sign a multi-year deal? Very few did, not even the Braves did.

Mike S

November 16th, 2010
8:20 am

DOB, where you staying down there? Since you can’t do the Waldorf, you probably prefer a Disney property, right (wink)?

I’m actually heading to the airport now to go to a conference down there at the Rosen Centre Hotel through Thursday…

And I have to second MattyRoss’s recommendation of the new Girl Talk album “All Day” which came out yesterday. I gave it a quick listen last night and was quite pleased. Right up there with “Night Ripper” and “Feed The Animals”. He’s actually touring soon, and will play the Tabernacle 1/21. I heard his shows are crazy, so I’m definitely going to catch that one.

Cecil34

November 16th, 2010
8:20 am

Uggla naysayers aside, He produces at the plate and is passible in the field, but I assure you that Chipper will not be ready, and in fact may never be “ready.”

So Uggla would be a good backup plan to ease into the Chipperless years.

Everyone tends to forget that it took approx 4 months for ol’ Chip to start coming around with the bat and that was with a good knee.

rainman376toothpicks

November 16th, 2010
8:23 am

Grace, Tex played college ball at Ga. Tech.

David O'Brien

November 16th, 2010
8:23 am

Now, does this mean Kawakami may be picked by another team during the Rule 5 draft? If so, what happens to his salary at that point? — Hanshin Tigers

Among the reasons that won’t happen is this basic rule of the Rule 5 draft:

“Players are eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft who are not on their major league organization’s 40-man roster and:

– were signed at age 19 or older and have been in the organization for four years; or

– were signed at age 18 or younger and have been in the organization for five years.”

(Kawakami was signed only two years ago)

The Real Brave

November 16th, 2010
8:24 am

We seem to see the same blogs each year about the team at this time of the year. Then reality sets in and we end up with a Glaus.
How about we wait and see what happens. We all know the owners will not let us do anything but rent players for a year or pickup players from the trash heap.

rainman376toothpicks

November 16th, 2010
8:26 am

Bash Chipper all you want but he took less money to stay a Brave over the years. Same can’t be said for most players. If you’re getting $12 million from your home team where you are satisfied why would you go for $14 million to some place (other team) you aren’t sure you would even like ?

David O'Brien

November 16th, 2010
8:28 am

We seem to see the same blogs each year about the team at this time of the year. Then reality sets in and we end up with a Glaus.
How about we wait and see what happens.
— The Real Brave

As opposed to what? What are we doing now, forcing the Braves to sign someone or make a trade? I think that’s what we ARE doing, waiting to see what happens. No?

Dan

November 16th, 2010
8:28 am

Most definitely we need to get Colby Rasmus and I would put him in Left Field and go get Jacoby Ellsbury to play Center Field.

rainman376toothpicks

November 16th, 2010
8:30 am

Braveheart, Braves GM thought he would resign or I’m sure he wouldn’t have traded 3 top prospects for a one year player… I remember them trying to sign him before the season was over but he and Boras had big $$$ Yankees dollars in mind…

Versiroth

November 16th, 2010
8:32 am

I know crazy trades like this never happen, but… Trade Jurrjens for Gardner of the Yankees and then trade Delgado, Cody Johnson and one more to the Marlins for Uggla. Sign Javier Vazquez and resign Hinske. I know, it would never happen, but imagine this 25 man.

Gardner CF (50+ Steals and a good OBP)
Prado
Heyward
Uggla
McCann
Jones
Freeman
Gonzo

(Notice how the line up is perfectly balanced?)

Hudson
Hanson
Lowe
Vazquez
Minor

Kimbrell
Venters
Dunn
OFlaherty
Moylan
Proctor
Beachy

Mather
Hinske
Infante
McLouth
Conrad

BEASTLY. I could see this team winning 95-100 and schooling the Phils.

E-6

November 16th, 2010
8:34 am

Uggla and Young seem like the best options. Both can rake. As for the Young/Tampa Bay situation, that team at that time had too many bad actors/influences. Young has had a clean slate with a better organization – one quite similar to the way the Braves do business.

rainman376toothpicks

November 16th, 2010
8:35 am

Gardner doesn’t get on base enough. You got to get on base first to steal 50. Same problem Deion Sanders had.

jerry

November 16th, 2010
8:37 am

The Braves will finish last before they win a World Series. The Yankees will win a World Series before they finish last. And this will continue ad infinitum unless a salary cap comes about. And Braves fans will continue to have to put up with this pissing and moaning because they can’t afford some half ass decent player while the Yankees target anybody they want.

rainman376toothpicks

November 16th, 2010
8:38 am

Conrad is still on the team ? Wow !

Braveheart

November 16th, 2010
8:38 am

Braveheart, Braves GM thought he would resign or I’m sure he wouldn’t have traded 3 top prospects for a one year player… I remember them trying to sign him before the season was over but he and Boras had big $$$ Yankees dollars in mind…

Nah, dude, you’re completely out to lunch if you believe the Braves GM thought he “would” re-sign Tex at the time of the trade.

Andy

November 16th, 2010
8:40 am

Rainman, the Braves weren’t Tex’s hometown team, that would be the Orioles. If you think he needs to go to hell for not accepting a smaller contract to stay in Baltimore, then you’re alone on that island.

My main concern about Uggla is the future. I can’t see a deal being done without an extension, and I’m not sure quite what he’d expect. I’m sure it would be more than three years though, which is all I would be comfortable holding onto him for. I see Uggla becoming no better than a 10-15 HR guy who hits around .250 in five years.

rainman376toothpicks

November 16th, 2010
8:40 am

Maybe if Braves had signed Thurston instead of Conrad, Thurston makes the routine plays against the Giants instead of the errors Conrad makes and the Braves play in the World Series ?

coach

November 16th, 2010
8:42 am

Versiroth – I like that idea as long as Uggla plays LF and not 2B
I have been suggesting Lowe to Yankees for Gardner, either way I think Gardner in CF leading off would work.

rainman376toothpicks

November 16th, 2010
8:43 am

DOB, can you please tell him that Braves thought they could resign Tex before making the trade ? Sure they didn’t know he would resign but they thought his ties to Ga Tech would make him choose the Braves and accept less money.

Anything about Andruw

November 16th, 2010
8:43 am

Hey DOB…..Have you heard anything about maybe bring Andruw back to play center or left?

Braveheart

November 16th, 2010
8:43 am

Gardner doesn’t get on base enough. You got to get on base first to steal 50.

He had a .380+ OBP this year, and a .380 OBP in the minors. That’s not getting on base enough?

coach

November 16th, 2010
8:44 am

rainman376toothpicks – or maybe Thurston strikes out as a pitch hitter instead of hitting a home run to win a game and the Braves don’t even make the playoffs.

rainman376toothpicks

November 16th, 2010
8:45 am

Gardner needs to hit .320 to be on base enough. Infante had a higher on base than he did. If you hit .275 you ain’t leadoff material. .300 is a MUST.

rainman376toothpicks

November 16th, 2010
8:47 am

Conrad won 4 games all year but lost the decisive game.

Alan 10

November 16th, 2010
8:47 am

F.W., think before you make a move, its real easy to jump and then find out that you have been taken advantage of, (TEXAS).

Braveheart

November 16th, 2010
8:49 am

Okay, nevermind, just realized I’m arguing with Raymond Babbit

rainman376toothpicks

November 16th, 2010
8:50 am

Braves should have forced Tex to sign a contract extension or decided to not have traded for him unless he did. That was the mistake.

HCR#7

November 16th, 2010
8:50 am

Uggla’s bat in the line up would be much needed considering the lack of power we are craving for.I don’t care if he strikes out 140+ times, that’s normal for power hitters.

rainman376toothpicks

November 16th, 2010
8:51 am

coach

November 16th, 2010
8:53 am

rainman376toothpicks – I doubt Thurston would have won 4 games for us, so I guess there would not have been a decisive game.

Fredi's Fu Manchu

November 16th, 2010
8:55 am

The talk of Omar on the bench is baffling. Let the guy hit .250 for a few months and I might understand. But until then he needs to be on pace to play 150 games as a starter not 100.

roseman

November 16th, 2010
9:03 am

DOB-Who would the Marlins ask for in return for Uggla? Which prospects or current players?

richbrave

November 16th, 2010
9:08 am

And since DOB mentioned JAMIE MOYER, he left fall ball in the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC with a serious elbow injury that is probably career-ending.

And none of the sites I’m visiting show MARTIN PRADO’s stats, but I just saw him hit a HR in a game for ARAGUA in the VENEZUELAN LEAGUE via youtube.. He’s definitely playing, but we’re not getting any feed-back.

Jim

November 16th, 2010
9:10 am

To say Uggla is “passable” in the field is being generous. He’s nearly unplayable at 2B for a team with postseason aspirations.

extremus

November 16th, 2010
9:11 am

Uggla does fit the offensive requirements to help the infield given Prado’s versatility and Chipper’s uncertainty of returning/being ready for Opening Day. The only caveat (and it’s a BIG one that comes with him is his defense, which can be atrocious at times (anybody REALLY want to have flashbacks of Brooks Conrad over the course of a whole season?).

It seems hard to imagine the Braves being able to fully address their needs without giving up a significant name in return. A lot of the players mentioned (Rasmus, Ellsbury, Quentin, etc) would likely contribute to the team in a big way, but we could lose the likes of a Jurrjens, Teheran, or Vizcaino in return. I guess those are the risks you take in making such deals, but obviously one hopes the Braves don’t end up on the wrong side of another one that benefits the other team like say, the Texeira trade helped the Texas Rangers a couple of years back.

It’ll be very interesting to see what direction this franchise goes in with all this “changing of the guard” stuff going on and a tightwad, uninvested corporation like Liberty Media running the show; if they pool the right talent the Braves could do great things; if they’re forced to pick up “table scraps” once again the team and the fans could suffer for many years to come.

Willie

November 16th, 2010
9:11 am

SIGN DAN UGGLA’S ASS!!! DROP CABRERRA, GLAUS, MCLOUTH, DIAZ, AND EITHER BROOKS OR HINSKE. GIVE THEM DEREK LOWE AND A CATCHER FROM THE FARM. BUT SIGN UGGLA!!!

Kashi

November 16th, 2010
9:12 am

BASEBALL SAVING MONEY FOR WHAT? TO COME UP WITH INSTANT REPLAYS? AREN’T THEY INTERESTED ON CREATING MORE JOBS PUMPING MILLIONS OF DOLLAR IN ORLANDO?

Dent

November 16th, 2010
9:14 am

Grady Sizemore is a perfect fit.

Please more...

November 16th, 2010
9:17 am

I’m not quite getting why Uggla is everyone’s favorite pic. He’ll be a one year player. He’s looking for a 5 year deal, and I’m sure the Braves aren’t going to offer that. Why give up 2-3 prospects within the division to get a guy for a year that strikes out 25% of the time and is terrible with the glove. Did he and Fredi Gonzalez have that good of a relationship?

I’d rather ship 3+ prospects to St. Louis for Rasmus or to New York – Gardner or to Boston for Ellsbury. Basically, I’d want a guy we could control for more than 1 year.

I like Uggla, but he’s not going to make this a championship team.

Versiroth

November 16th, 2010
9:17 am

Infante doesn’t do anything for our needs. He doesn’t add speed or power. I like him too and if Chip goes down, play him at 2nd every day, but we need more than Infante.

BravoMan

November 16th, 2010
9:18 am

Classes today til 2…who knows what all ill miss by then.

Kashi

November 16th, 2010
9:19 am

I agree rainman376toothpicks @ 5.50am. I have been very curious what Braves offered to Tex before he was let go. Players we got in returns from LA was worthless. Does anyone know what we offered to Tex?

Charlie Babbit

November 16th, 2010
9:20 am

rainman, it was 246 toothpicks (82,82,82) – then the 4 in the box make 250

who wants to go count some cards?

CraZyTRaDeMaN

November 16th, 2010
9:25 am

The bitching and moaning about trades made in the past is real lame!!! Get over it and move on. Every team has trades and signings that they later regret.

Ease™ in Sandy Springs

November 16th, 2010
9:25 am

richbrave – check your dates on the youtube video…Prado is not even supposed to being any activity until after Dec. 1st, as reported by DOB…He has not been medically cleared to participate in any baseball activity.

DS1

November 16th, 2010
9:25 am

Kashi,

Does it really matter what was offered to Tex before he left for free agency? He was going to leave, no matter what was offered. He was a Boras client, and he was looking for the top dollar contract. If that had been from Baltimore, he’d be an Oriole now.

Your hashing over history, that has absolutely nothing to do with the present. He was a 1.5 year rental, with draft picks coming back.

If you buy a used car that ends up being a lemon, do you keep beating yourself up for it years later??? You move on.

Heisenberg

November 16th, 2010
9:26 am

Can we pass on Rivera? Would have been a good pickup a few years ago, but now would be just another 30 something on the down side of his career with declining numbers and a step slower in the field.

OBTW…..Matt Kemp, Matt Kemp, Matt Kemp

DS1

November 16th, 2010
9:27 am

Stop the presses! Huge international news!!! Prince William is getting married.

Should I send a gift card to Target, or dish towels????

Kashi

November 16th, 2010
9:29 am

I hate to say this about my favorite player Chipper but I DO NOT see Chipper’s impact in 2011 braves lineup. He will be a great club house players go to guy between Fredi and new hitting coach. Shall we prepare to trade or sign FA to replace Chipper’s bat and extra power outfielder. What good will it does of we sign one so-so power bat but Chipper is not on lineup?

Kashi

November 16th, 2010
9:30 am

DS1, you can’t say better then that. I agree. Lets move on to 2011.

DS1

November 16th, 2010
9:34 am

Chipper’s impact will be anywhere from nothing to tremendous. No way of knowing what it will be. There are/will be backup plans. Part of that is guys like Omar Infante and Joe Mather or yet to be determined players. (Prado if someone else plays second)

On this one, you can’t really go out and try to replace him until you are certain he has retired.

I suspect that when Chipper does hang up his spikes, Prado will be the heir apparent.

I also suspect he will contribute at least what he did last year, if not more (doing it for the entire year).

PMC

November 16th, 2010
9:34 am

It must be pretty tough to make deals when everyone in the free world knows you have a worthless absentee ownership group who doesn’t care about the team and thus anyone who might be a known commodity is going to have to be moved out in order to get young cheap unknown “talent” to “hope” to compete.

DS1

November 16th, 2010
9:35 am

Kashi

But what to get the royals for a wedding gift??? Now that one has me baffled!

:lol:

Captain Hindsight

November 16th, 2010
9:36 am

Should not have traded Wainright
Should have kept Furcal
Should not have thrown Leyritz a pitch to hit
Should not have traded for Mike Hampton
Should not have made the Tex trade
Should have made a defensive substitution of D Hernandez for Conrad in game 3 of LDS
Should not have made all those pitching changes in 9th of game 3 of LDS
Should not have stuck with KK for so long or better yet not even signed him
Should not have built The Ted so far away from a MARTA station

I could go on but my work here is done.

DS1

November 16th, 2010
9:36 am

PMC

Are you talking about the Marlins???

HCR#7

November 16th, 2010
9:36 am

Willie, you clearly don’t know what it would take to get Uggla.A 2 mid B Levels or 1 high and 1 low B – would get Uggla easy I bet.No since in putting Lowe in there,Arodys Vizciano + Christian Bethancourt would probably easily snag Uggla but that would be too much of a package , IMO.Maybe Carlos Perez or Chris Masters would get it done.

And why

PMC

November 16th, 2010
9:37 am

Just let that ruminate. You traded Rafael Soriano for freaking TERRIBLE Jesse Chavez. Why? Because you couldn’t afford to pay Soriano.

This is why the ownership should continually be blasted until they sell this team. Hell no one should go to games until they sell.

Wren is Hamstrung. Unless he gets lucky with young players like they did last year, they have no hope of competing because they won’t spend the money it requires to go get guys that can hit in the outfield and on the corners.

DS1

November 16th, 2010
9:38 am

Hindsight

You are definitely 20/20 on the past. Now let’s see your game plan for the future……….

:evil:

ugadawgs

November 16th, 2010
9:39 am

wouldnt it be nice to have a lineup of

1st freeman
2nd prado
ss gonzalez
3rd jones
c mccann
cf upton
rf heyward
lf rasmus

then sign maggs and glaus

please dont dog me to bad im just dreaming

Eric in Tampa

November 16th, 2010
9:39 am

Everyone loving Uggla’s power numbers, and ok with his K’s… but what about his shaky defense? There has to be someone out there available with comparable power numbers and a better glove, isn’t there? Shaky defense got us eliminated from the playoffs, even if it was bench players.

Falcondawg

November 16th, 2010
9:41 am

DOB, It must be a dumb question but can you please explain to me why it is out of the question to get Carl Crawford? We have 10-15 mill this year plus freeing up Chippers, Mclouths,D Lowe and KK’s salaries in the next couple years should leave us with plenty of space for a long term move like that but I guess I’m missing something. Although I would be happy with Uggla, he seems like our style of player.

DS1

November 16th, 2010
9:42 am

PMC

What are the other screen names you post under??? Mitchell? Nick?

Just wondering.

As I see it, our man FW has done an outstanding job within the boundaries of his control. Personally, I don’t want my team to have an unlimited payroll for adding overpriced free agents and bad trades. I like the idea that my team has to be fiscally responsible (like more of us should strive to be)

I guess no hope of competing that got us into the playoffs and darned close to advancing to the LCS is not good enough for some, huh?

DOB: You could be in worse spots. I think the GM’s should go to Pocatello, Idaho next winter………..

:lol:

Owl Hunter

November 16th, 2010
9:42 am

Some people are seriously overvaluing Brett Gardner. JJ for Gardner? In some countries, you’d be hanged for making that deal.

glord1

November 16th, 2010
9:44 am

Wren is hamstrung. One reason is he made a couple of bad moves two years ago( every GM does) but mostly because management is not that concerned with winning. The Braves have a fairly HARD cap he deals with. There is not alot of “give me another 5 mil and we can get the pieces we need”. Its more like this is what you have….good luck.

Owl Hunter

November 16th, 2010
9:44 am

PMC

Or is it PMS?

JeanE

November 16th, 2010
9:45 am

EWWW, don’t want Mother Fuggla on my team. I can’t stand that guy. I guess we have to do something in the event that Chipper can’t go but that troll, no way. Plus, he’s another one of those guys who can play many positions and none of them well. I’m still waiting for them to resign MattE D. I guess I wait in vain. Stupid Frank Wren!

David O'Brien

November 16th, 2010
9:46 am

I agree rainman376toothpicks @ 5.50am. I have been very curious what Braves offered to Tex before he was let go. Players we got in returns from LA was worthless. Does anyone know what we offered to Tex? — Kashi

Kashi, Braves have never said what they offered Teixeira, but I was told it was 7 yrs, $105 million.

He signed an eight-year, $180 million deal with the Yankees.

Yes, quite a significant difference.

DS1

November 16th, 2010
9:47 am

Falcondawg

And if they did sign Crawford to a 7 year, 120 million dollar contract; would you be crying about it in 3-4 years when Crawford’s skill set diminshes? Or when having that contract required us to trade Heyward because we have no prayer of re-signing him?

No thanks to overpriced free agent signings.

Crawford will not sign for 15 million per year and not for less than 5 years. Werth’s deal will be similar.

Uggla is also not quite the fielding black hole that some are alluding to. He is a major league starter that more than makes up for some errors with his bat.

And no, a better defensive player who can hit 30 dingers is available for the same price.

Just sayin.

Joey

November 16th, 2010
9:47 am

David, did you submit to the body scan, or the pat-down? Just wondering . . .

David O'Brien

November 16th, 2010
9:48 am

Willie, “sign” Uggla? First, the Braves would have to trade for Uggla.

Lew

November 16th, 2010
9:48 am

It’s really time to let the Teiseira deal go pople.

Dude played 157 games for the Braves, Hit .295, .395, .548 (.943OPS) with 37 HR and 134 RBI.

Not really sure what more he could have done and I fil to see how it was his fault no postseason resulted from his tenure in Atlanta.

Y’all would love someone in Atlanta putting up those nuimbers now – you seriously believe it would be any cheaper to attain someone of this caliber?

Captain Hindsight

November 16th, 2010
9:49 am

I am just mocking those who are constantly looking in rear view mirror. OK on to the future….

Sign Cliff Lee, Jason Werth, & Carl Crawford. Trade for Pujols and give him extension. Bring back Billy Wags. And make the Rangers send us Josh Hamilton to make up for the Tex trade.

Can you guess who is being mocked now? If you guessed the guy making 3 mil more than last years payroll, you win tickets to the Braves in the 2010 WS.

HCR#7

November 16th, 2010
9:49 am

ugadawgs, yeah that would probably clear our minor league pitching talent trying to aquire Rasmus and Upton.So this deal wouldn’t happen.Yes it would be nice but I wouldn’t wanna see the prospects leaving and end up like another Wainwright/Feliz and Andrus trade.

raleighbravefan

November 16th, 2010
9:50 am

Willie – you are clueless, CLUELESS, I say.

They already “got rid of” Cabrarra and Glaus. You CAN’T “DROP” MCLOUTH UNLESS YOU PAY HIM, ANYWAY. The Marlins have NO INTEREST in Lowe, as they are looking for more affordable players. Lowe and a catching prospect doesn’t come colose to getting Uggla. Everything about your statement is wrong.

What are you smoking??? REALLY?????

jfreak13713

November 16th, 2010
9:51 am

Uggla would seem to fit the Braves need more than other players who may be available, but of the other teams looking at Uggla which one will be willing to give (pay) more than the Braves. That’s the real issue with top notch players is they generally comand more than we are willing to pay? I hope we can land Uggla, but I’d take Ellsbury too!

Lets be honest any move will be a step up from what the Braves had last year!

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