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Obee
November 9th, 2010
4:58 pm
Frank Wren’s best move or moves this winter will be something no one has even speculated about on this blog.
RC
November 9th, 2010
4:59 pm
Just for a bit on context, Arizona traded Dan Haren last year for Joe Saunders, Rafael Rodriguez, Patrick Corbin, and a PTBNL.
So how are we are going to get Brett Gardner for Derek Lowe?
I won’t go as far as to say there is a 0% chance, because like coach said you never know, but this one just doesn’t seem very likely to me.
MiaBchBravesFan
November 9th, 2010
5:01 pm
Coach, I support you, if for no other reason than the fact that everyone called me a fool when I touted the Lee trade back in early July. While he did not meet expectations, he played an excellent 1B, and was a major upgrade over Troy “Glass” Glaus.
Didn’t cost us much, if anything at all. So the trade was a shot, not a bust.
The Teixeira trade – a bust in the long term. The Drew trade – a bust in the long term. Both trades?
Not worth it.
MiaBchBravesFan
November 9th, 2010
5:05 pm
A caveat: the marlins gave the $50K to the same mayor who ramrodded through the proposal for the new stadium, all the while not ever allowing it to go to a voter referndum. In a city full of political crimes that would even make Chicago blush…
That was a sin beyond compare – especially in this present economic climate.
Danny Boy
November 9th, 2010
5:06 pm
How about this lineup
1. David DeJesus or Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
2. Martin Prado, 2B
3. Jason Heyward, RF
4. Chipper Jones, 3B
5. Brian McCann, C
6. Freddie Freeman, 1B
7. Nate McLouth/Andruw Jones, LF
8. Alex Gonzalez, SS
RC
November 9th, 2010
5:06 pm
The Teixeira trade – a bust in the long term. The Drew trade – a bust in the long term. Both trades?
Not worth it.
I’ll agree with you that the Tex trade was a bust, but the Drew trade was exactly what it was supposed to be – giving up potential future gains in exchange for one year of an All-Star caliber RF. And that’s exactly what we got. Drew had an incredible season with the Braves…the fact that Wainwright has surpassed any and all expectations doesn’t make the trade a “bust”. It simply means that we sacrificed a lot for the division title that year. The Tex trade did not lead to the Braves winning anything, and therefore can accurately be described as a bust.
RC
November 9th, 2010
5:08 pm
How about this lineup
1. David DeJesus or Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
2. Martin Prado, 2B
3. Jason Heyward, RF
4. Chipper Jones, 3B
5. Brian McCann, C
6. Freddie Freeman, 1B
7. Nate McLouth/Andruw Jones, LF
8. Alex Gonzalez, SS
Probably the most realistic one I’ve seen posted.
cricket
November 9th, 2010
5:15 pm
DOB
I’ll make this gentlemen’s wager with you, regarding who’ll be the Braves’ opening day SS. I’ll take Alex Gonzalez, you can take the rest of baseball.
You could lose this wager if Wren signs JV for 1 yr contract to compete for 5th SP spot, JV can’t cut it so he’s flipped to Cards along with Nate (whom Andrew, the 1-mil man beats for CF job, we would pay half of Nate’s salary) for Pujols, who out of respect for A-Rod tradition, agrees to switch position and play SS. I mean, really, why not ?
MiaBchBravesFan
November 9th, 2010
5:22 pm
cricket: man, that’s pie in the sky.
Folks have to accept the fact that Andruw will not be a Brave in the forseeable future. This team needs to get younger gradually – especially after Chipper and Lowe.
Younger, not nostalgic.
Waiting for Wren's Mythical Bat
November 9th, 2010
5:24 pm
Expect the unexpected. You just never know which cheap, ineffective, shot-in-the-dark Wren/Liberty will fire next. Exciting!
Snotboogie
November 9th, 2010
5:27 pm
How many “coach” guys do we have on the board today.There is one with a cap C, one with a small c and one who thinks he is smarter than Wren (2011 or bust fella). It’s getting confusing.
Big Jake
November 9th, 2010
5:28 pm
If you know something, he knows it too except he knows is better TnBrian
He’s not anal, and most of the time I think he does know it better, especially about baseball.
I thought you were friends? I bet he loves the way you rip him like that.
Efrim
November 9th, 2010
5:28 pm
So how are we are going to get Brett Gardner for Derek Lowe?
I kinda think what Brett Gardner gave you in 2010 is the best you’re going to see from the guy. Could be downhill from here…
MiaBchBravesFan
November 9th, 2010
5:29 pm
I cannot think of a M:B example, but you gotta love the Philly Eagles. They have the uncanny knack for getting rid of players one season before they start to suck (Hi, Donovan!!!).
Bringing back Andruw is a waste of money and roster space. Think younger, folks!
Snotboogie
November 9th, 2010
5:32 pm
He’s not anal, and most of the time I think he does know it better, especially about baseball.
I thought you were friends? I bet he loves the way you rip him like that.
I agree about nolie. I think TnBrian is just pi$$ed off with him because he called him on a couple of his trademark baseless statements.
richbrave
November 9th, 2010
5:35 pm
FALL BALL
.ZONA
CF CORY HARRELCHAK’s back and with a bang. His ringing double plates three as the D-DOGS howl besting the SCOTTSDALE SCORPIONS 7-4. CK 1-5 on the day, 1 SO, .344 BA.
CORY GEARRIN has a second bad outing in a row, 2.0 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 SO, 3.14 ERA.
richbrave
November 9th, 2010
5:39 pm
WHOA, momma.
“………….trademark baseless statements…………..” SNOTBOOGIE
“You just made the list buddy”…………Psycho [STRIPES]..
Careful BOOGIE you may be next. LMAO and kick the couch.
Big Jake
November 9th, 2010
5:41 pm
Bringing back Andruw is a waste of money and roster space. Think younger, folks MiaBch
I agree about Andruw. He was a great Brave and I loved him, but it is time to let him go. We can do better
richbrave
November 9th, 2010
5:41 pm
MiaBchBravesFan
November 9th, 2010
5:29 pm
Bringing back Andruw is a waste of money and roster space. Think younger, folks!
Thank you. Fresh air and sanity appreciated.
Steve
November 9th, 2010
5:41 pm
Burrell .. are you frickin kidding me? I would take Ankiel 5 times over because we need defensive help as much or more than offense.
Remember folks, the Braves were middle of the pack in offense despite McLouth, Diaz, Melky, Chipper, Escobar, and yes, even McCann not having good years. While I do belive Prado, Infante and Glaus all played MUCH better offensively than most of us could have hoped, I really don’t see our offense sliding a whole lot next year.
We need help on defense. Sign Ankiel for CF and slide McLouth to left. Let Mather spell them in the OF against lefties. Possibly sign Diaz, but only as a platoon guy and do not expect him to get more than 300 AB’s.
Burrell should be the last gasp plan if all else falls through.
Braveheart
November 9th, 2010
5:43 pm
Lighten up, Francis
Snotboogie
November 9th, 2010
5:46 pm
richbrave
Sorry. didnt get your comment. Should I be worried?
Big Jake
November 9th, 2010
5:47 pm
Sign Ankiel for CF Steve
Defense or not I could not stand another year of watching his terrible hitting
McMillensburg
November 9th, 2010
5:51 pm
Actually, Andruw could do great in Diaz’s old role. About the same quality of hitting and better defense.
Murph
November 9th, 2010
5:53 pm
Who would you guys rather have in LF… McLouth or Andruw?
JeanE
November 9th, 2010
5:53 pm
Pat Burrell in LF, you’re kidding, right? And where is Omar supposed to play then, if not LF? He’s the LF and MattE’s the backup LF. Done. No more retreads!!! And I would love to have Millwood back with the Braves.
DS1
November 9th, 2010
5:53 pm
Diaz v Andruw??
Better D to Andruw, check.
Same quality of hitting, I beg to differ with ya on that one boss.
Tomas
November 9th, 2010
5:53 pm
What about Nick Swisher if the NYY acquire Werth or Crawford?
DS1
November 9th, 2010
5:54 pm
McLouth or Andruw for left field? Can I take Langerhans instead?
Snotboogie
November 9th, 2010
5:54 pm
No more retreads!!! And I would love to have Millwood back with the Braves.
Something about those two sentences back to back. Cant quite put my finger on it.
Oh and Omar is on the bench.
DS1
November 9th, 2010
5:56 pm
If Omar starts more than 20 games in left field, I think we are in trouble.
Semper Fi
November 9th, 2010
5:58 pm
All this talk sounds like the Braves front office (and their fans) have somehow slipped into a, “it’s ok, we’re mediocre, at least we compete” mentality. It makes me sick. The Atlanta (yes, Atlanta) Braves were the team to beat in the NL for 14 years. Do any of you freaks remember that?
Ok, we’ve had a few bad years. So freaking what! Every team goes thru it. Why are we so quick to give up the crown? It was ours, we know how to get it (worst to first, 1991). DO IT AGAIN!
no animals were hurt during the making of this blog
Big Jake
November 9th, 2010
5:58 pm
Who would you guys rather have in LF… McLouth or Andruw Murph
I know this doesn’t answer the question, but they would make a nice platoon if Wren signed a centerfielder who could hit some.
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
November 9th, 2010
5:59 pm
Don’t know whether to be depressed or overjoyed. Would feel better if we had more to spend. Hate giving up prospects, but it’s almost a must at times.
I’d rather the team disband than swap Teheran, Heyward, or Freeman, in any deal.
Murph
November 9th, 2010
6:01 pm
Haha, nobody will answer the question. C’mon, McLouth or Andruw?
I’ll answer it… I’d rather have Andruw. As bad as he’s stunk over the last few years, I think Andruw would be a complete upgrade over McLouth.
Nate made the Melkdud look good this year. Think about that.
JeanE
November 9th, 2010
6:04 pm
If I had my druthers, I’d keep MattE, Hinske and Brooksie. God, can’t we dump Nate, or get somebody to take him, PLEASE?? Sigh.
Big Jake
November 9th, 2010
6:05 pm
I don’t believe that Nate will be as bad this season as he was last year. If he is it would almost have to be his eyes and/or that concussion.
He was close to an 800 OPS hitter when we got him. It makes no sense at all to me.
richbrave
November 9th, 2010
6:05 pm
FALL BALL
DOMINICAN
1B ‘45′ GOMEZ 0-1, 1 R, 2 RBI (11), 1 BB, .313 BA
CF WILKIN RAMIREZ 0-3, 1 BB, 2 SO, .133 BA.
3B DIORY HERNANDEZ 0-3, 1 SO, .325 BA.
MEXICO
No games scheduled Nov. 8. Full slate tonight.
PUERTO RICO
Yesterday C ORLANDO MERCADO goes hittless……..again, 0-3, 1 BB, dropping his BA to .261
VENEZUELA
No games scheduled Nov. 8. Full slate tonight.
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
November 9th, 2010
6:06 pm
I like Andruw over McLouth.
Betty White too.
Big Jake
November 9th, 2010
6:07 pm
I have watched Upton fall off a cliff the last two years too down here. Could it all be my fault?
Murph
November 9th, 2010
6:07 pm
I doubt the Braves could afford Betty White.
richbrave
November 9th, 2010
6:08 pm
Snotboogie
November 9th, 2010
5:46 pm
richbrave
Sorry. didnt get your comment. Should I be worried?
Hell no. Smile, you just did a ‘dougie’ on TnBrien.
TnBrian
November 9th, 2010
6:09 pm
Big Jake, I love that old geezer nolie. I’m really just messin around in a weird, nobody would believe I’m just messin around, kind of way.
Sorry, that was a sort of “baseless” statement. It had no base or structure to it. Right Snot?
JeanE
November 9th, 2010
6:09 pm
I think Fredi would Love a guy like MattE D, and I just don’t see Andruw coming back here, really don’t.
David O'Brien
November 9th, 2010
6:10 pm
What about Nick Swisher if the NYY acquire Werth or Crawford? — Tomas
If the Yankees decide to trade him, Swisher might draw interest from the Braves. He’s bad defensively, though probably no worse than some other options that might be considered for LF, and he’s a switch hitter with power. Fourteen of his 29 homers came on the road last season, and he had a higher OPS (.885) on the road than at home (.854). The $9 mill salary for 2011 (and $10.25 mill option for 2012 and $1 mill buyout) isn’t cheap, especially for a team with payroll constraints. But it’s pretty fair, really, given Swisher’s production the past couple of seasons.
I just don’t know if the Braves would be willing to give up much talent in a trade PLUS pay that salary. But if he’s available, it might be intriguing.
Big Jake
November 9th, 2010
6:15 pm
I think Swisher would be an interesting option and I think his platoon splits are pretty equal too. Wonder what the Yanks would want?
Murph
November 9th, 2010
6:17 pm
I like the idea of Swisher, so long as he doesn’t cost the Braves any of the top-tier prospects.
Larry in SC
November 9th, 2010
6:18 pm
Plus!!!! With Nick comes Joanna Garcia…..mmmmmmmmmmmmm
richbrave
November 9th, 2010
6:18 pm
richbrave
November 9th, 2010
6:16 pm
Independent league slugger gets a chance with Braves
Am I reading too much into this, or is WREN and the org. doing everything possible to re-stock the farm with OF’ers. Seems that way to me. But hey I am a ‘glass half full’ kind of guy…………..sometimes
TnBrian
November 9th, 2010
6:18 pm
“interest”, “available”, “intriguing” DOB on Braves/Swisher
Hopefully they’re not interested, he’s not availbale to NY and he’s certainly not intriguing in my eyes. He plays in a loaded lineup where he can hide in the shadows so to speak.
McFann O O
November 9th, 2010
6:19 pm
Link: Giants rookie Buster Posey is in the mix [for Silver Slugger] at catcher.
It gives his stats: .305/.357/.505 58 runs 18 home runs 67 RBI
Excusez-moi, but some of those numbers were posted when he was a first baseman…he should not qualify.
JeanE
November 9th, 2010
6:20 pm
Bad defense: Diaz had exactly 2 errors this year, how is that bad defense???? And I was at a game where he hit a home run to tie the game up, he’s had plenty of big hits for the Braves. Everyone just thinks Hinske is better because he’s been on World Series teams. Diaz was injured this year and next year, will be back to being his usual lefty killer self. Hopefully, it won’t be for some other team like the Phils!!!!
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
November 9th, 2010
6:22 pm
My Andruw enthusiasm has waned over time. I’d prefer AJ and Nate be elsewhere. Nate’s gonna see extended time at Gwinnett without significant improvement. I can’t see Wren noosing that anchor around Fredi’s neck, and I don’t see Nate declining the demotion.
Snotboogie
November 9th, 2010
6:23 pm
Am I reading too much into this, or is WREN and the org. doing everything possible to re-stock the farm with OF’ers. Seems that way to me.
OFs and 1B seems like. I dont understand if he is just building depth at AA and AAA or if anyone has a chance. Wilkin Ramirez and 2 independent leaguers recently, not to mention Mather.
TnBrian
November 9th, 2010
6:24 pm
Look at that, $9 mill next year for Swisher. Hell no. He’ll hit between 15-18 HR with us tops, play bad defense and I just see him overall as a lesser player with Atlanta. Braves have, what, between $15-16 mill to play with for a hitter, bench player or two AND a RP? Don’t think I’d want 9 of that 15-16 mill to be eaten up by average Swisher.
Braveheart
November 9th, 2010
6:24 pm
ooh, heard that colorado might be interested in hiring alabama’s offensive coordinator. can they please take him off our hands? I’m tired of that guy’s horrendous play calling. I’m not sure if he remembers that he has a pair of running backs named Ingram and Richardson on his team.
Big Jake
November 9th, 2010
6:24 pm
I’m really just messin around in a weird, nobody would believe I’m just messin around, kind of way TnBrain
I hope he understands that because it would hurt me to have a friend talk that mean about me out of the blue.
TnBrian
November 9th, 2010
6:27 pm
Diaz does exactly one thing good in this game and that’s hit lefties. What do you do with a guy like this coming off a year where he barely even did that?
Big Jake
November 9th, 2010
6:29 pm
Does Nate still have options Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans?
That name was so long I had to copy/paste it.
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
November 9th, 2010
6:33 pm
Braveheart
“ooh, heard that colorado might be interested in hiring alabama’s offensive coordinator. can they please take him off our hands?”
Damn, I wish they’d offer Bobo a job.
jeffrey d
November 9th, 2010
6:36 pm
I’ll just call him Turnip
Tee off
November 9th, 2010
6:36 pm
If we could add 10 mill to our payroll then sign Crawford. That’s a no brainer. If you could get BJ Upton for under 10 mill that’s a good sign too. The 2 fastest guys in baseball who are great defensively. I’ll take one of those 2. Please stop with the Pat Burrell talk. Are you kidding me??? Our need is speedy outfielders. Not 35+ slow wash up hitters who can’t play their position. This isn’t that hard to figure out.
Steve McP
November 9th, 2010
6:38 pm
Maybe the Braves could trade somebody for Swisher that would get the Yankees to eat half of Swisher’s salary, that would look to be a good deal, but carrying his whole salary for 2 years would be onerous for a team with payroll constraints.
Big Jake
November 9th, 2010
6:39 pm
I dont understand if he is just building depth at AA and AAA or if anyone has a chance Snotboogie
I believe that Mather is out of options so I think Wren must think he has a chance of making the squad since he might not be available to stock the minors. I have no idea about the rest of them.
Is your name from The Wire? I loved that show.
Coach (2011 and Fredi G. a GO!)
November 9th, 2010
6:40 pm
The Braves are not going to trade Derek Lowe.
Bret Gardner sucks.
Imposter’s can suck my butt
Changing my name, chaos will follow.
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
November 9th, 2010
6:41 pm
Don’t know, Big Jake. Anybody?
Couldn’t he go voluntarily without options?
No lie
November 9th, 2010
6:42 pm
Nick Swisher will fall of the map once he doesn’t have the protection afforded from the Yankees line up.
NEW CARS
November 9th, 2010
6:42 pm
DOB,
What do you think about a Lowe for Swisher deal, straight up. Then we would have an extra $5M a year to go after Werth, if we think he could play CF
Prado
Jones
Heyward
Werth
McCann
Swisher
Freeman
Gonzalez
I like that lineup, with Nate serving as the defensive replacement for Swisher.
Might still find enough money to try to get a Kevin Millwood for the 5th spot in the rotation
Hunson
Hadson (either or)
Juurjens
Minor/Beachy
Millwood
Lew
November 9th, 2010
6:42 pm
coach – If you think fixated beyond all reason is harsh, you need to go back to the minors.
Actually, I think it’s an apt description. The deal you propose won’t happen for any number of reasons such as equity and unreplaceability. To keep thinking it will happen even though it makes little sense for either team equals.fixated beyond all reason.
gcs
November 9th, 2010
6:44 pm
Joe Mather = waste of money
.
No lie
November 9th, 2010
6:45 pm
McLouth or Andruw? Pick your poison.
Lewd
November 9th, 2010
6:46 pm
I agree, coach is an idiot.
Murph
November 9th, 2010
6:46 pm
Changing my name, chaos will follow.
Coach: From now on you will all refer to me as Betty.
nolie: But, isn’t Betty a woman’s name?
Coach:
DOB: You must excuse coach, errrr, Betty. It’s 12 o’clock and time for his nap.
Coach: Mmmmm… sleepy time.
Anyone know the movie?
TnBrian
November 9th, 2010
6:46 pm
Look, I gave nolie a piece of my mind on how he talks to people sometimes on this place. Just because he knows this and that about whatever and somebody might not doesn’t give him or anybody a right to, in a way, talk down to them and degrade them. It’s a sports/Braves blog for cryin out loud and some people are just simple fans who might not know what BJ Upton’s defensive “WAR” stats are and things of that nature. Call me one of them simple fans I guess.
I like nolie, but he’s been a turd lately for some odd reason.
jeffrey d
November 9th, 2010
6:47 pm
I’ll bet this is the most Joe Mather has been discussed in his life.
Braveheart
November 9th, 2010
6:48 pm
Damn, I wish they’d offer Bobo a job.
Bobo’s offense is scoring 33 points a game with a freshman QB, mediocre RBs, and a mediocre receiving corps outside of AJ Green. They scored 29 points a game last year with the same mediocre RBs, same mediocre receiving corps outside of Green, and the horrible Joe Cox as the QB. Bobo’s offense has actually scored more points than Bama in conference play in each of the last 2 seasons, and the Dawgs don’t have Ingram, Richardson, or secondary receivers of the quality of Maze or Hanks.
No lie
November 9th, 2010
6:49 pm
Joe Mather is the second coming of Hank Aaron. Just because I said so
Murph
November 9th, 2010
6:49 pm
No Lie and Lewd? I’d like to go on record stating that the I am not the impostor.
Johnny Knoxville
November 9th, 2010
6:51 pm
JACKASSES!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Snotboogie
November 9th, 2010
6:52 pm
Big Jake
Yes, it is. I do too.
Braint
November 9th, 2010
6:52 pm
I’ll take McLouth and AJ….platooning in LF. Ellsbury in CF.
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
November 9th, 2010
6:53 pm
It blows my mind how some folks think Mather was brought in as THE answer. He’s a body for Spring Training, with a shot, if he produces, of making the team. Ain’t that pretty much it?
Lew
November 9th, 2010
6:54 pm
I’d take Andruw over McLouth – IF Andruw picks up Nates’ salary and buy out.
Snotboogie
November 9th, 2010
6:55 pm
It blows my mind how some folks think Mather was brought in as THE answer. He’s a body for Spring Training, with a shot, if he produces, of making the team. Ain’t that pretty much it?
He’s the Joe Thurston of 2010.Costs nothing right now.
Big Jake
November 9th, 2010
6:56 pm
I am ashamed to admit that I know that movie Chosen One
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
November 9th, 2010
6:58 pm
Snotboogie “He’s the Joe Thurston of 2010.Costs nothing right now.”
That’s why I can’t understand the complaints. If he helps us it’s a bonus, if not, we’re no worse off.
Big Jake
November 9th, 2010
6:58 pm
I must now kill the dog
Murph
November 9th, 2010
6:59 pm
Does Mather have some sort of crazy story behind him, like a mom who was eaten by a grizzly bear or a dad who was a former great ballplayer but later turned to selling meth to make ends meet? It always seems the guys who come out of nowhere and put up amazing comeback seasons have a great story to tell, or at least the ones that get featured on Real Sport with Bryant Gumbel do.
Murph
November 9th, 2010
7:00 pm
Taco Bell, Taco Bell, product placement with Taco Bell. Enchirto, nacho, burrito!
Big Jake, don’t be ashamed… it’s one of the best worst movies ever made.
Braveheart
November 9th, 2010
7:00 pm
That being said, I also get annoyed with Bobo when I watch Georgia games ….
DS1
November 9th, 2010
7:01 pm
(raising hand high into the air)
DOB, DOB, lookie over here!!!
How do you like this lineup?
Pardo
Conrad
Chippie
BJ Surhoff
Andrew Junes
Logan Shaaaefer
Yunieski Escobar
Clint Sammons
Murph
November 9th, 2010
7:03 pm
Don Pardo? He can’t hit a curveball.
DS1
November 9th, 2010
7:03 pm
Murph
Only if this is the Olympics…………(incredible life story behind each and every athlete)
DS1
November 9th, 2010
7:04 pm
The color yellow makes me sad………
Markeys Gristle
November 9th, 2010
7:05 pm
PLEASE- Get someone that can STEAL BASES!
DS1
November 9th, 2010
7:06 pm
Where is my arrogant friend who thinks he knows everything there is about baseball? Nobieonecanobie, we need you!!
DS1
November 9th, 2010
7:07 pm
Markey
Didn’t the Yankees used to have a guy who stole stuff in the clubhouse? Maybe we can get him….
Snotboogie
November 9th, 2010
7:07 pm
T-G
Right now he’s the only addition we’ve made in what so far has been a dull few weeks. So i think that’s magnifying the move. I’m sure we will have more to complain about in 2 or 3 more weeks and he will relegated to an afterthought (or so I hope).
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
November 9th, 2010
7:08 pm
When is Buzz Capra coming off the 6,000-day disabled list. Those rotator cuffs can be boogers, but sheesh.
brian
November 9th, 2010
7:08 pm
A Derek Lowe for Nick Swisher deal is one the Braves would probably consider, especially if they can use the salary difference to sign Millwood