6:57 pm November 8, 2010, by David O'Brien
November 9th, 20103:57 pm
So Bernie Marcus wants to add a ferris wheel to downtown Atlanta because they’ve been so successful in London, Chicago, Vienna, Austria and Melbourne. I mean, does he really think people are visiting those cities “because” of the ferris wheel? Do people actually go on vacation to look down at traffic?
November 9th, 20103:58 pm
“What is it about Schafer that has people so convinced that he is going to be a superstar”
The hype machine is why. He was so hyped up around here and even other places, so people still have that in their minds.
Again, ask nolie the next time a kid is hyped up to see if he’ll actually pan out. The old stink bag can give you a laundry list of silly stats and his own personal expertise on any baseball matter from his time as a baseball scout.
November 9th, 20103:59 pm
I told you guys weeks ago – Berkmans done. He looks like an out of shape Phil Mickelson. If you can picture such a specimen.
people we dont want or need pat burrell! hes to slow
Kyle – I didn’t say the same team – I mentioned things like Nate coming back, etc., and acquiring a left fielder, a RHRP and some bench help.
But the main point I was making was that with all the $$$$ coming off the books in two years, the Braves aren’t going to go the expensive route this year and they aren’t going to trade the Young Guns like Teheran and DelGado, who will step inwhen Lowe and Hudson are gone, OR any of our starting staff.
People can sit here, with their heads in the clouds dreaming of Werth, Rasmus or Kemp to their hearts’ desire, but until they have tons of $$$$ available, the Braves will go the one year route unless they can get someone young, with a couple years of contractual control for minor league talent.
Take it to the bank. Count on it. Supply your own appropriate cliche or phrase, cause that’s the way it will be. It makes sense, even if it WILL piss off a lot of fans.
November 9th, 20104:00 pm
Lew – That’s even better, we sign Vasquez as a free agent and still trade Lowe to Yankees for Gardner
Then we trade JJ and lesser known minor leaguers to the White Sox and get C Quentin
November 9th, 20104:01 pm
Lew – That’s even better, we sign Vasquez as a free agent and still trade Lowe to Yankees for Gardner (Coach)
Bingo! Especially if the Yanks can’t get Lee who they desperately covet.
I was reading nolie’s comments from last night into the wee hours of the morning and holy sh** has this man become anal. If you know something, he knows it too except he knows is better.
November 9th, 20104:02 pm
November 9th, 20104:03 pm
I told you guys weeks ago – Berkmans done. He looks like an out of shape Phil Mickelson.
That’s assuming Mickelson is “in shape” to begin with. He’s the spitting image of a a sack of potatoes, most times.
This sentence is redundant. Should have just said “He looks like Phil Mickelson”.
November 9th, 20104:04 pm
Anders – the Yankees will still do it even after they sign Lee and Crawford
November 9th, 20104:05 pm
Snotboogie- That was my point exactly. The guy needed a “man bra” when he was in his twenties for gods sake! Certainly didn’t hurt his golf game or ability to land quite a catch for a wife though.
The Yankees always act desperate and make lots of moves after not winning a world series
November 9th, 20104:06 pm
Braint, saw the trailer for your documentary. Looks very interesting. I’ll be sure to look for it when it comes out next year…
And say what you willm but the Phillies likely won’t be better losing Werth and replacing him with a rookie and they are still capable of horrendous cold streaks with thheir offense – this year we just need to extend an early lead and leave them in the dust – unlike what happened this year.
And the Mets? Come on. They did get a better GM but still have tons of question marks, no Johan for the year – except that salary minus some insurance – and an often injured Beltran. They won’t be able to totally retool that rotation in one off season and won’t have THAT much to spend anyway. They won’t compete for the division, but may be somewhat better than in 2010 AND they will have new management to deal with. Think improvement two or three years down the line.
As for the Marlins and Nats. Whatever. They won’t contend – especially if they lose Uggla nad Dunn, respectively. No one wants to sign with them l;ong term and they really don’t have the mninor league talent to bring in.
What possible incentive to the Yankees have to trade Brett Gardner?? I know this is all based on your “after they sign Crawford” theory, but if that’s the case why wouldn’t they trade Granderson instead, who is more expensive and not as good as Gardner? My guess is that instead of spending on Crawford, they are going to spend on Cliff Lee. And if they do get Cliff Lee, they don’t really have any need for Derek Lowe.
Especially if the Yanks can’t get Lee who they desperately covet.
I’m sure that’ll please the fans.
“We couldnt get you a dominant lefty co-ace so we’ll get you a No.3 groundball pitcher who is over the hill. We’re paying him 15M so he’ll be good. Dont worry.”
November 9th, 20104:07 pm
Coach- They actually might – If Pettitte retires.
November 9th, 20104:08 pm
Coach – Due, they are NOT trading a guy who wins 15+ games a year and pitches damned near 200 innings. He would be too expensive to replace and we have no one to step in and replace him. Vazquez might be an anser (IFhe could be gotten cheap for one year – he won’t) to compete for the fifth spot – and NOT a top of the order guy like Lowe who pretty much put us on his back in September and carried us to the playoffs.
Snotboogie- The Yanks next choice after Lee in the open market is Carl Pavano. Not sure if you followed his last pass through the Bronx but Lowe would be like getting Jack Morris compared to that.
RC – The Yankees pitching stinks, they need more than Lee.
They used Granderson more than Gardner this year that’s why I believe they move him next after signing Crawford. Money doesn’t matter to them.
I’m going to go out on a very slight limb here and say the Yanks might be a LITTLE gunshy about trading anything of value for a Braves pitcher after how well the Vazquez experience went for them.
November 9th, 20104:09 pm
Coach, I don’t know man, I find it hard to imagine they’ll make two trades for hitters this winter. I can see one big trade and a mini signing of some sort, like a platoon guy with some power. Of course they could because they’re loaded with enough pitching talent to make a few big trades, but doesn’t look like they’ll be trading any of their top guys in the minors.
Smart choice – chose a sport that isnt exactly athletic. Any smarter and he would’ve chosen chess.
November 9th, 20104:11 pm
Mike S – Thanks.
I made sure to do a lot of press wearing my 1995 World Series T-Shirt (even though the PR woman hated it)
Lew – Lowe makes too much money to continue to be a Brave. His value will get no higher than it is right now after how he finished the year.
November 9th, 20104:12 pm
You certainly have a point. While logically your mention of Pavano is correct, I dont think fans will quite see it that way. After the way AJ Burnett and Javy stunk it up for them, they are hoping for an ace.Big chasm in standard between Cliff Lee and anyone else available though.
I refer y’al to my 3:59 post. what will happen and next spring y’all can tell me how right I was.
November 9th, 20104:13 pm
Omar infante needs to be the starting left fielder to start 2011.
Then we just need to find a big bat for center field and that would make me happy.
Coach – You’re wrong. Lowe is not going to be traded.
Assuming they sign Lee, the Yankees rotation would be:
If Pettitte retires, then I could see a situation where they might take Derek Lowe in a trade. But if what they are offering is Brett Gardner, they will be able to get much better players from other teams with much less than $30 million committed over the next 2 years. I know you are saying money doesn’t matter to the Yankees, but they still are not just going to take Lowe because he’s there. They’ll get better offers for Gardner.
November 9th, 20104:14 pm
Lew- That’s a pretty complacent plan you got there at 4:06. I mean the Braves didn’t exactly rip up the league last year and you’re ready to sit back and let the division title come to you? You are losing your lights out closer and have your best hitter coming off a couple of serious injuries. Plus a lot of pitchers with long innings on their arms. Just saying you might want to give some other teams a least some respect that they’re in the Braves class, (Starting with the team in your division that’s one the last 4 division titles for instance)
Jordan Schafer is at best a possibility to be a September call up. He got moved down to AA last year and wasn’t even good there. No way ZERO chance he makes an opening day roster. —- Original post
Isn’t it true that Jordan is at best a September call up? Isn’t it true he got sent down to AA last year and wasn’t even good there? Is there anyway he makes an opening day roster?
I was making a blanket statement about Jordan Schafer. Sorry I didn’t go into detail about Jordan’s injuries and that he likely wouldn’t be part of the 2011 braves because he needed another year in the minors to prepare. If we all had to go into in-depth detail and write our comments in essay form you’d be in here talking to yourself. I’ll try to be clearer with my comments in the future.
November 9th, 20104:15 pm
Lew – Only time will tell.
November 9th, 20104:16 pm
RC – Hughes maybe goes back to bullpen and Pettite may retire.
November 9th, 20104:17 pm
Gardner – Speed (lots of it), OBP (not much slugging at all)
Granderson – Slugging and against RHP is quite decent even otherwise and some speed.
If they get Crawford, they would be getting a lot of speed and could spare Gardner while keeping the slugging Granderson.
But this is all conditional and I dont think they get Crawford at all.
Wait, I knew Johan was hurt, but has it been announced anywhere he’s out for the entire year????
If that’s the case then it likely is going to be a down year for the Mets. But since I haven’t heard anything about that, I’m going to go ahead a project suprisingly strong division among the top 4 teams, with Washington being a little better than expected but ultimately not having enough starting pitching to really compete (this year).
November 9th, 20104:18 pm
The Yanks stars are getting older and its showing. They will over pay and over load again. Mark my words. They were throughly embarassed by Texas in the playoffs who had a nice year but shouldn’t be embarassing a team with a $200 mil plus payroll. They’re seething in the Bronx just sitting their with the checkbook open and pen in hand.
November 9th, 20104:19 pm
Coach – Maybe so, but I’m right.
November 9th, 20104:20 pm
Pettitte may retire, but they are not going to send Hughes back to the bullpen in order to acquire Derek Lowe. He had as good of a season as Lowe did in 2010, and Hughes was pitching in a hitters park in the AL, while Lowe was in a pitchers park in the NL.
Johan will be throwing by ST but it’s likely he might not pitch an MLB game until May or June. As with all pitchers injuries it’s all subject to change.
The Yankees will spend spend spend this offseason and not make it to the series again next year. As much as I hate their overspending ways I love watching the end result.
Nothing makes me smile bigger than a crying Yankee fan.
Anders – I agree. They sign both Crawford and Lee.
I wish Ted still owned the Braves, we used to sign big name players.
November 9th, 20104:21 pm
Anders- Complacent perhaps, but extremely realistic and likely to happen – UNLESS Wren pops a deal none of us saw coming that blows us away. It could happen, but with all that $$$$ two years away, I just don’t see this situation going don any other way.
Pat Burrell sucks. I don’t care what he did in SF. If he is the best the Braves can do, then we’re screwed. Burrell will come to Atlanta and hit .250 while playing an embarrassing LF. Give me a break already.
November 9th, 20104:22 pm
lew—-instead of being a smartazz—realize andruw didn’t hit with people on base, which the braves already enough of
November 9th, 20104:23 pm
RC- Agreed on Hughes. He’s a starter to stay. He made his bones last season and in the post season. Joba on the other hand has been completely mishandled and is in no mans land. They’ll make him a set up guy and hope he develops to replace Rivera in a year or two.
njbraves – don’t worry, they are getting Gardner and Quentin
I actually wonder if they Yankees will be as agressive as everyone seems to think they will. All the talk about the way they act when they lose is the way things worked when George was still alive and running things, but I don’t know that the sons will handle things quite the same way. I think they might have a little more faith in Brian Cashman’s big picture plan, and simply go about the business of making sure they are in the picture for the championship for each of the next 10 years, instead of making ill advised moves now.
November 9th, 20104:25 pm
The Yankees may move Burnett. They have a history of overpaying pitchers then eating contract money and trading them away.
Coach _ I wish Turner still owned the Braves too. Guys like him are great for sports. Especially for the fans. Of course I’m not a big fan of jane though. Are they still together?
November 9th, 20104:26 pm
Totally agree on Joba. I am not sure what his future with the Yankees is, if he even has one. To me he seems like the type of player whose talent outpaced his maturity, and he was thrust into the spotlight of fame before he had really matured enough to handle it well. I’m not sure I’d be any different in his shoes, but that’s a hard situation to figure your way back from.
You guys will have to excuse; I have to step out and shoot Ben Glicksman at SI.com for putting, in print and in public, the notion that David Eckstein should be a Brave.
There are a lot of things I can tolerate, but Ben just crossed the line, LOL.
November 9th, 20104:27 pm
Of course I’m not a big fan of jane though. Are they still together?
Nope, they’ve been seperated for years now. I think they are still friends though, as they’ve been seen at events together since the split.
RC- Francesa on WFAN up here has all but assured that the Yanks will spend whatever it will take to get Lee. He feels that all thats in the way is Lee not wanting to come to NY. As much as I hate the fat radio man when he talks that assuredly he’s usually got some good inside dope. Comes with the biz.
November 9th, 20104:28 pm
I will be very bitter if they don’t resign MattE Diaz. I don’t care who Joe Mather/Blather is, he is not the heart and soul of MattE D. He’s only 32 for God’s sake, 33 at the start of next season. Come on Frank, you need these types of guys. I like Hinske but NO way would I take him over MattE. In case anyone notice, his World Series lucky charm streak ended this past season.
We already have a David Eckstein…his name is Brooks Conrad. Except he actually has a little bit of talent.
semiballcoach – What perception. You figured out I was being a smartass. Good for you.
RC – I just read an article fro Septemebrer 15 in the NY Times that claims (according to an Orthopedic expert) that Santana is shot for 2011 and might return to form in 2012. They will also be replacing Ollie. They have lots to do, injured players with big contracts and not a whole lot of trade bait.
November 9th, 20104:30 pm
And if Andruw is the answer then we’re really up the creek.
Nothing against Francesa, but that’s not exactly breaking news is it? I mean, EVERYONE thinks/knows that to be the case. It would be funny if Lee decided not to sign with them due to the treatment his wife received from the fans though.
November 9th, 20104:31 pm
coach I wish Ted still owned the Braves, we used to sign big name players.
no we didnt. we traded for big name players. we signed guys like brian jordan.
November 9th, 20104:32 pm
DAP – We signed Greg Maddox
November 9th, 20104:33 pm
i like the idea of getting Jorge Cantu for 1st and 3rd back up along with any decent OFer but i dont think that will happen
November 9th, 20104:34 pm
RC- Everyone knows the Yanks want him but he’s imploring that they have no set budget for him. He said he was told the Yankees told Lee’s agent to go talk to all the other teams, bring back their best offer and the Yanks will top it. Someone is feeding him this stuff so the Yanks can save face if Lee doesn’t sign. It will all be on Lee, not the Yanks.
Didn’t realize that Santana’s injury was that bad. In that case then they probably are better off building for the future instead of sacrificing more of it in a futile attempt to win now. If they get serious about totally rebuilding and put some of their marquee players on the market, things could get REAL interesting. Imagine the type of haul they’d get if they put Reyes or Wright out there!
(I think there is little to no chance on Wright, but with Reyes only under contract for another year that could be a real possibility)
November 9th, 20104:36 pm
Anders, that makes sense. And if I was running the Yankees that’s exactly how I would approach it. He’s obviously worth more to them than to any other organization in baseball, and they obviously have the financial resources to outbid any other organization. Why not give him the “blank check” pitch, since that’s your highest likelyhood of getting him.
November 9th, 20104:37 pm
JeanE….. give me a break. Diaz isn’t very good. He’s fourth OFer and not as valuable as Hinske. Hinske had Aron of big hits for the braves this year. What exactly has Diaz done besides not hit eighties and play bad defense.
RC- I don’t think the Mets are worried about making the playoffs next year. I do think they expect to be in contention by 2012 though. Their plans are not so far out that Wright and Reyes can’t be part of it. Not saying they wouldn’t consider moving either because it is a new mgt group but they’re not going to completely strip down the mlb club imo.
That’d be a really nice move if we could pull it off….my only worry is that Cantu wants an everyday gig, which the Braves don’t have to offer him.
November 9th, 20104:38 pm
coach, right in 1993 we signed greg maddux. in 2001 we signed brian jordan. any other big ones you can think of?
the braves have never relied on free agent signings to build their team, coach.
TnBrian: somewhere in the middle lies the truth.
Yeah, the kid may have taken PED’s in order to obtain power numbers the easy way. That said, he is still young and can contribute – even with a wiry frame.
He has been hurt for two seasons now, with not much to show for his recovery. That said, the talent may still be there because the core abilities created the talent extant of PED’s use.
As a fan, you have to root for his goodd health. Who’s to say he cannot produce the numbers I described above (.280-plus/15/65, with high OBP)? He just needs to adjust his game and become the prototypical top-of-the-order hitter we hope he can become. I just do not expect him to ever have high power numbers again, is all. And we can all live with that – so as long as he hits and gets on base. Heyward and Freeman can drive him in.
November 9th, 20104:40 pm
RC – I think the Mets will do some dealing this winter and will probably do a good bit to improve themselves. Thing is that is
t’s more than a one year proposition cause they have lots of holes – they’ll need at least two starters and whoever they have to replace if they trade what few real pieces they have.
I don’t aee them bringing up all their needs from the farm or they would already have done it. Beltran is injured so frequently and has such chronic leg problems, I don’t see him netting all that much in trade with that contract of his.
Alderson was a good choice for GM, but the Dude has way too much ahead of him AFTER he gets a mangement team in place to change the total direction in one off season.
The Real Deal
Worse trade ever, Texas Rangers, Closer Felix and Elvis Andrus to Texas for Mark Teixteira. WORSE EVER. Then second for Derek Lee 13 million, he was and is terrible that is why he looked good because he was the cubs!
November 9th, 20104:41 pm
RC- They’re talking $23 to 25 mil per up here for Lee. On top of CC’s and Burnetts deals. It’s getting stupid. Cano’s gonna want $20 mil plus very soon too. The 3rd WC is coming. How else can Toronto and Baltimore even hope to make the post season with the Yanks and Red Sox in their division?
Personally I think the Yanks are going way too far. They’re gonna be $100 mil above the next club pretty soon. Maybe more.
The Braves should take a chance on Vasquez – he is a huge influence on JJ who is going to have a big season, and Ellsbury would be a great addition. What’s the latest rumor on Lowe?
Isn’t Reyes’s contract up after 2011? That’s the only reason I brought up moving him.
how well did Uggla get along with Fredi in Florida? That would have to impact Uggla’s thinking of a possible move to the Braves.
Also, would the Marlins specifically not trade Uggla to the Braves so they would not give the Braves the right handed power hitter we have desparately needed (either due to division rival stuff or spite with the Braves hiring Fredi – I would assume the Marlins will not want to make fredi look good since they fired him, Cox criticized the Marlins, and then the Braves hired Fredi)
November 9th, 20104:43 pm
the real deal – do you have stats on Derrek Lee’s september with the Braves?
November 9th, 20104:44 pm
Pat Burrell ? If Wren picks up more trash like that, I will blow a gasket!
November 9th, 20104:45 pm
The Marlins specifically wouldn’t trade Cody Ross to the Braves this past year because they didn’t want to help them out, and in the end simply dumped his contract on SF while receiving no players in return. So I think it’s safe to assume that the Marlins would have to be blown away to trade Uggla to the Braves.
hank44 – Lowe is going to the Yankees for Gardner
RC- Yes, Reyes’ deal is up in 2011. I think Alderson is going to watch closely to see if he’s the type of player he wants to build with. Alderson already said he doesn’t think stealing bases is that valuable to a team, especially during the regular season. Yikes! Me likes the stolen base thing.
November 9th, 20104:46 pm
coach, you still haven’t explained to me why the Yankees would trade Gardner for Lowe instead of using him to acquire a better pitcher?
November 9th, 20104:47 pm
brian , the Lee trade was a bust… I don’t want to hear how did OK in one series! Please… spare me!
coach, you still haven’t explained to me why the Yankees would trade Gardner for Lowe instead of using him to acquire a better pitcher? (RC)
Shhhh! Cashman might be reading this blog. He has no idea.
RC – There is no better pitcher, hows that?
November 9th, 20104:48 pm
Alderson already said he doesn’t think stealing bases is that valuable to a team, especially during the regular season.
Sandy Alderson, another right-thinking American, by God, LOL.
November 9th, 20104:50 pm
REal Deal – Don’t let reality intrude here. D Lee didn’t cost us $13 million and I fail to see how his .287, .384, .465 with 3 GR and 24 RBI and excellent defense hurt us in the least.
No one knew who the minor leaguers were who we traded, or remeber who they are now and we got cash along with Lee.
Yeah, bad deal there.
November 9th, 20104:51 pm
Anders, I hadn’t heard that about Alderson’s philosphy. Interesting to say the least. I still think that Reyes’ speed can be a valuable weapon without the SBs though, due to his ability to hit doubles and triples at Citi Field and his increased range at the SS position.
Coach…… Zero percent chance of that trade happening.
coach – thanks for the update. Lowe did pitch pretty well late in the season, but, Gardner would be a welcome pick-up.
November 9th, 20104:53 pm
njbraves – never say never (or zero percent in your case)
njbraves-I’ve tried telling him that for over an hour, but he’s fixated beyond all reason.
November 9th, 20104:54 pm
Interesting thought: if Fredi would’ve stayed on as the marlins skip, would he have left the fish for the Braves?
Was the Fredi firing a pre-emptive strike by the fish in order to save face and get rid of Fredi? Could upper management have ecouraged Hanley to act like a schmuck and grab Fredi’s goat?
Folks, if you guys really knew the Machiavellian machinations of Larry Beinfest and the rest of his crew of management b!tches down here (the team is managed like a Telemundo soap opera; they just offered the county mayor – who is being recalled due to voter disgust – $50K to fund his “CYA” campaign against the electorate)…
You would not put any of what I described above, past them! What say, DOB?
Really? You really don’t think there is a better pitcher who might be on the market than Derek Lowe?
Zach Greinke is waiting for you on line one. He sounds upset.
November 9th, 20104:55 pm
Please Lew – Lee did jack for us in so many situtations in a number of games that the announcers started talking about how his back may be causing the lack of production. Hitting in a few games can skew the numbers….
Lew – fixated beyond all reason – that’s rather harsh
November 9th, 20104:56 pm
RC – Zach Greinke could not pitch for the Yankees, he has high anxiety problems
November 9th, 20104:58 pm
DOB: You have an incredibly absurd assumption that John Malone would increase payroll just because you read that he is rich. Was this some kind of Sunday morning conclusion? Well, he’s been rich, he is rich now, and he will be rich tomorrow. What has changed to make you think that he is going to “add value” to this team? Just “cuz”??
In fact, this entire article is just wayyyyyyyy to “rah rah” for my tastes. Absolutely ridiculous. This team needs LEGITIMATE players to win. We don’t need more bench players who are shoved into starting rolls.
If this team could field two guys for CF and LF who could put together at least a .750 OPS and Pendleton improves the infield defense, this team could win it all. I swear this team was ready to win it all before we lost a couple of key guys like Prado and Jurrjens. Look who won the WS!! Come on: It’s a crap shoot but really, the team that has hot pitchers and gets some timely hits in the playoffs usually goes far. This team was built just like the Giants but I think the Braves were slightly better equipped. They just ran out of gas at the end and it’s sad they didn’t get a chance to compete.
This team has been hamstrung by the CHEAP Malone/Liberty Media who refuses to look at this team as anything more than just an investment. So he could care less about “winning”. Although it is odd that he could get more back if he would just invest just a bit more to that payroll. Just think if the team won a couple of World Series what it would do to the value of this team. Probably would go up $100 million. Who knows?
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