6:57 pm November 8, 2010, by David O'Brien
bring back blauser
November 14th, 201012:54 pm
p’cola brave yhinking on same plateau i am thinking get willingham when money is freed up
November 14th, 201012:55 pm
DOB…….your take on possibly getting Quentin?
If Infante is starting every day, our offseason has failed.
November 14th, 201012:58 pm
As we think of all these awesome ideas to acquire a hitter like Uggla and an OF as well, I’m just waiting for Bowman to chime in and say the Braves have no interest in any of these guys, were poor etc lol
Omar Infante is capable of CF or you let Nate play CF. He can’t play any worse than he did. You can find a cheap option to help platoon outside of Upton. I’d like the Braves to acquire Willingham next offseason so Upton really doesn’t pan into that. I just don’t like Upton’s play. Rajai Davis may become expendable in that Athletics OF and he would be a nice option to platoon with Nate or even compete with Nate for CF.
November 14th, 20101:01 pm
2012 (Assuming Chipper retires)
CF Rajai Davis/ Schafer
Of course this all would have to begin with acquiring Uggla
November 14th, 20101:06 pm
bring back blauser, If I’m the Marlins I take that deal. Omar Infante, Aroldys Vizcaino, and Christian Bethancourt for Dan Uggla.
They’re getting some pretty good talent. Infante could be they’re starting 3B, move Chris Coghlan to 2B. They’re also getting a possible ace and a good catching prospect which they’re currently lacking.
Remember it’s Dan Uggla final arbitration year. With the money they could sign Victor Martinez, or John Buck, or Rafael Soriano or both.
If I’m the Marlins I make that deal in a heart beat.
November 14th, 20101:09 pm
If Infante is starting every day, our offseason has failed.
I kind of agree. Infact, I would not be surprised to see Infante traded this offseason. I believe he’s got one more year left on contract- then he’ll likely get paid plenty more because of his great numbers last 2 years. Don’t think Braves would keep him at more than $3 million or so a year to be a backup… so, I think his trade value is at the highest it’ll ever be. He proved last year to be a super-sub who can start if he needs to in a pinch. This offseason will be best opportunity to get some real value back for him, if Braves don’t see him as very long term…
Coghlan is supposed to move to CF. They traded Maybin. Looks like Bonafacio will play 2nd if Uggla is moved.
November 14th, 20101:11 pm
I would start discussions with the Marlins by offering Bethancourt, Vizcaino, and Dunn for Uggla.
November 14th, 20101:12 pm
P’cola Brave, but If the Braves do acquire Uggla, then Prado moves to LF for at least the next 2 seasons or until Chipper retires, if Chipper doesn’t retire, there’s no opening in LF until 2013, and Willingham is a FA in 2011.
November 14th, 20101:16 pm
P’cola Brave, No Coghlan is moving to 3B, CF is Scott Cousins……Coghlan is a 2B by trade so if the Marlins do move Uggla they can just have Coghlan play 2B.
Right. I just don’t see Chipper playing beyond 2011. Thats just my belief.
November 14th, 20101:17 pm
I think Infante is the best super sub in the game, but guys like him get exposed when they play everyday. We can’t have him starting in the outfield.
November 14th, 20101:18 pm
This is what Rosenthal put out this morning.
Chris Coghlan is expected to move to center, replacing Cameron Maybin, whom the Marlins traded to the Padres on Saturday for two relievers. Emilio Bonifacio would replace Uggla at second, and top prospect Matt Dominguez would take over at third.
November 14th, 20101:19 pm
Tomas: Just yesterday, Beinfest said Coghlan was told to start doing drills to prep for center field. I don’t think he’d have said that if Coghlan might move to 2B; they’d have waited to tell him that.
Deal probably only makes sense for Marlins if they get a 2B in return.
Along those lines, I can’t see Braves trading Prado, particularly not to a division opponent. That would have potential to haunt them for a long time, as beloved as Prado is among teammates and fans. And Prado is only a first-time arb guy.
Until I hear something that leads me to think otherwise, I’ve got a feeling this leaked rumor is a tactic by the Marlins to get Uggla signed. And if not, if he’s traded, I think it’ll be to someone outside the division.
November 14th, 20101:20 pm
I guess it will depend on who they want starting more between Bonafacio or Cousins.
November 14th, 20101:21 pm
I really want Ugglaa, but trading Prado would be a disaster. I totally agree with you.
Rookie of the Year announced tomorrow. I believe Heyward is deserving of the award although it could really go either way. To me the difference is Heyward had to play the whole year and was called upon from day 1 at age 20 to do something that Posey wouldn’t be called upon to almost June to do and he was 23 with a little previous mlb experience under his belt from last September. Add to that Jason had to play most of the season with an injury he sustained in May and he still put up solid numbers. If he loses to Posey i’m ok because its not like Posey isn’t deserving, just if I had a vote i’d lean toward Jason.
November 14th, 20101:22 pm
This is the lineup Rosenthal threw out for the Marlins:
Their lineup could look something like this:
Logan Morrison, LF
Hanley Ramirez, SS
Mike Stanton, RF
Gaby Sanchez, 1B
Free agent to be determined, C
November 14th, 20101:24 pm
So we’d have to trade Infante, for certain, then the possibility of Dunn and let’s say Vizcaino or Bethancourt. Keep Delgado, Teharen, Minor.
I realize this may be difficult to know given the circumstances, but do you see any possibility of Uggla talk or Rasmus talk being legitimate?
November 14th, 20101:25 pm
Do you think the Braves would be inclined to through Salcedo in to make a deal for Uggla? Especially if the Braves were to extend Uggla. Prado and Uggla would man 2nd and 3rd for a while blocking him.
November 14th, 20101:27 pm
Didn’t know that…..The Braves would be trading Infante in my proposed deal, even better.
November 14th, 20101:29 pm
I think Posey gets ROY. I know it’s not supposed to matter, but I think Posey’s team winning WS and Posey’s heralded college career and high draft status/chatter gives him an edge. Not saying it’s right or wrong… just saying I think he gets ROY because he got more media attention for a longer period (when you consider he’s been talked about for many years in college too.) They say that doesn’t factor in, but you know it absolutely has to. It’s human nature to listen to the hype machine.
November 14th, 20101:30 pm
I think Posey gets ROY. I know it’s not supposed to matter, but I think Posey’s team winning WS and Posey’s heralded college career and high draft status/chatter gives him an edge. — Lollygagger
How could his team winning the World Series matter in any way, since all votes for BBWAA awards must be submitted before the postseason begins?
November 14th, 20101:31 pm
But as DOB said if he were to go it would probably be outside the division even if our offer was the best.
I could very well see that happening.
Best to focus on an OF that can be controlled for more than next year. Willingham, Upton, Rasmus is who the Braves should closely look at.
November 14th, 20101:32 pm
P’cola Brave, If I’m the Marlins Cousins. Poor Coghlan has had to move everywhere and he was averaged to below average at LF, I don’t see why they would want to try him out at CF.
That’s why moving Coghlan to CF seems pretty crazy to me.
November 14th, 20101:33 pm
oh, and I meant to add: I think Posey is very deserving of ROY. Kid goes about his business quitely, never hear him complaining or making waves or acting as if he’s owed something because of his background and skill set. Think he’s good for the game. Very grounded and humble guy, seems to me. And damn talented. (And he’s a FSU guy, right nolie?)
If they can’t land Uggla then they need to look into Willingham real closely.
November 14th, 20101:34 pm
Oh, okay. Wasn’t aware of that, DOB. How early do they vote on ROY?
BravoMan: No, I didn’t say “even if the Braves’ offer was the best.” I said division team like the Braves would have to offer more than a non-division team to get Uggla, that if all things were equal the Marlins would trade him to a non-division team. I never said if the Braves made the best offer, the Marlins would trade him elsewhere. Why would I say that? Makes no sense.
November 14th, 20101:35 pm
How could his team winning the World Series matter in any way, since all votes for BBWAA awards must be submitted before the postseason begins?
Thats what I thought. I think Jason gets it in a close vote because of that. I’m not sure if you’ve said it before but if you had a vote DOB who would you give it to? If its on another blog just point me that way and i’ll read it there.
November 14th, 20101:37 pm
Kid goes about his business quitely, never hear him complaining or making waves or acting as if he’s owed something because of his background and skill set. Think he’s good for the game. Very grounded and humble guy, seems to me. And damn talented.
Couldn’t the same be said about Jason? Not to mention he never made any excuses for his injury and numbers after that.
November 14th, 20101:40 pm
Absolutely, yes. Same can and should be said about Heyward. I in no way meant anything as a knock on Heyward. Both very bright kids with very bright futures.
McFann O O
November 14th, 20101:42 pm
Lollygagger Kid goes about his business quitely, never hear him complaining or making waves …
Maybe. But I didn’t care for his wise-achre remarks after being called safe in that first playoff game. I’m sure he’s a nice guy otherwise…
November 14th, 20101:43 pm
Where would the Braves be if it weren’t for Heyward? Especially in the early months of the season. The kid carried the team for a good distance and had so many game winning RBIs.
Hope he wins it.
and in a very ironic or fitting twist… didn’t Heyward and Posey play against one another for a high school state championship in Georgia one year?
November 14th, 20101:44 pm
We are not getting uggla.
November 14th, 20101:45 pm
Ok, I get what you’re saying. As I said before I think they are both deserving but to me given that Jason had to go through the grind of a whole season and at about 3 years younger makes a difference.
November 14th, 20101:48 pm
That’s not a fair comment. I don’t think there’s a player in MLB that would have gone to the umpire and said “dude, I was out. Please call me out.” All he said was “glad there wasn’t replay” on that play… essentially he admited he was out. How is that smart arse?
November 14th, 20101:49 pm
I was simply making a reference to your comment about the fact the Braves are divison rivals and it would cost alot for Uggla. And we would be facing these guys for many years to come.
Didn’t mean to twist your words.
November 14th, 20101:54 pm
BravoMan: Understood. But there’s a significant difference between the Braves offering similar deals to what others are offering (and Marlins opting for one of the other offers from a non-division opponent) and the Braves offering MORE than others are offering.
Normally I would agree with DOB’s assessment at 1:34, but didn’t the Braves’ pursuit of Cody Ross take a few unusual turns last season?
November 14th, 20101:55 pm
Lollygagger: Yeah, I wrote an entire blog about Heyward and Posey teams squaring off in state championship, wrote it during division series.
November 14th, 20101:57 pm
Totally agree. I’m sitting here watching Lord of Rings while studying for exams and typing on this blog lol. Not really paying attention to what I’m typing. But I’m with yea all the way man.
I do appreciate the info that you provide us especially on the weekends of the offseason.
November 14th, 20101:58 pm
See, what you write does sink in and make impact… I knew I had seen that somewhere.
November 14th, 20102:01 pm
If they can’t get Uggla they should step up pursuit of Willingham then look into Rajai Davis for CF. That would improve the OF a lot.
November 14th, 20102:03 pm
The more I think about it, Uggla makes a lot of sense for Detroit. I would bet thats where he ends up.
November 14th, 20102:05 pm
Let Detroit acquire Uggla… then Braves might be able to then get him from Detroit for a lesser package than he would have cost them from Marlins. I know, crazy talk. Just makin’ conversation.
November 14th, 20102:06 pm
‘Cause I don’t like him and I was mad. Hey, I never said it was a “fair” comment…
He also said, “Beautiful slide, wasn’t it?” I don’t know, just rubbed me the wrong way…rookies should be seen and not heard.
November 14th, 20102:08 pm
If you add Uggla and V-Mart to the Tigers they should be really good next year. I think if Uggla gets traded it may be difficult to extend him. He may decide to test the market if traded. I think a thing that would work in the Braves favor if they acquire him is his familiarity with Fredi. We may be better off holding onto prospects and just pursuing him via FA next year. By then we will know if Chipper is going to retire. Plus we would keep prospects.
November 14th, 20102:12 pm
THe Uggla talk is interesting, but I don’t see the fit. Not sure if we have the prospect mix the Marlins need.
I think when the dust settles, the Braves will end up with Ludwick or Burrell in LF, Nate in center, signing Hinske and obtaining a Tony Gwynn Jr or Raji Davis for 4th OF and signing Kerry Wood or JJ Pultz for the pen.
Long term changes happen later as Lew says.
November 14th, 20102:15 pm
Agree. Someone pointed out earlier it may not be a fit until Chipper retires. I would take a Ludwick or Willingham in LF, Rajai in CF and sign Putz.
November 14th, 20102:18 pm
It’s all good. McFann. Don’t worry, I still take Mac over Posey in every category except a foot race. And that would be close…
November 14th, 20102:19 pm
Wren talking to Bowden about GM meetings–
November 14th, 20102:30 pm
BMac’s got Posey beat in the footrace, too. BMac had FIVE stolen bases this year—Posey didn’t his first until the playoffs and even that was given to him by Emmel.
November 14th, 20102:51 pm
The braves have what the marlins want. Bullpen arms.
The marlins would want kimbrel or venters to start with. Cant see the braves and marlins doing such a high end trade.
November 14th, 20103:01 pm
DOB, how much of the animosity (if there really is any) between the Marlins and Braves will play in. Especially with Fredi on board now.
Because it seems to me, the Marlins have never really had a problem trading guys withing the division. Including Carlos Delgado to the Mets. Hermedia to the Nats. I know there is more of them, but can’t think of them right now.
But my question is this. If it is a given that a divisional rival in the NL East would have to give up more than a team from another division, do you think the Braves would have to give up more than any other NL East team?
November 14th, 20103:05 pm
Add Willingham and Scott Olsen to that list.
November 14th, 20103:17 pm
P’cola, I knew there was more recent moves.
November 14th, 20103:22 pm
If it is a given that a divisional rival in the NL East would have to give up more than a team from another division, do you think the Braves would have to give up more than any other NL East team?
No, I don’t think so. Not at all. Any “strained relations” between Braves and Marlins, re: the Cox snub, aren’t going to affect a potential trade.
san diego brave
November 14th, 20103:26 pm
Pat Burrell is still the best option to date. Mark DeRosa will start ahead of Burrell if Pat is resigned by the Giants. Of course it would have been easier to acquire a veteran like Pat when number 6 was in the dugout. You always hear veteran players say that they wish they could have played for Bobby.
I didn’t think so DOB, but had to ask. Wasn’t sure how deep or serious the snup/spat was. Never really thought it was anything to serious.
November 14th, 20103:27 pm
How is every one? I just remembered, that Adam Dunn played left field when he was a Red a few times. There is a chance he could play left field, and first.If the Braves were to get him?
November 14th, 20103:38 pm
I will take both uggla, and dunn. Could we sign both?
November 14th, 20103:45 pm
I would do anything to get Uggla
do the trade Wren, not many 2b that hit 30 HR 100 RBI and good defense
November 14th, 20103:50 pm
Uggla could work, because he played with Fredi before. See you later!!! Got to watch my New York Giants!!!.”Go!!! Braves!!!.”
November 14th, 20104:08 pm
Here’s what Cardinals GM John Mozeliak told Post-Dispatch’s Joe Strauss, regarding Rasmus and unlikelihood of trading the 24-year-old CF:
“Every player in the right deal could be traded,” Mozeliak said, “but we are not shopping him. More importantly, I think it would be very difficult or almost impossible for us to replace him. So the way we’re planning on moving, he’s a big part of our club.”
Joe wrote: Mozeliak has worked to improve a sometimes jagged relationship between player and manager that in July led Rasmus to request a trade during a heated exchange with La Russa. Mozeliak does not deny an issue existed but insists edges have been smoothed.
“We’ve all talked through it,” Mozeliak said. “I really don’t see it as a big issue anymore.”
Mozeliak added: “I don’t think someone with his service time (two years) can pick and choose where he wants to be. That’s the nature of this business. If somebody didn’t want him here — the manager, for example — we’d have to do something about it. But Tony realizes he’s a talented player and can help us win some games.”
November 14th, 20104:09 pm
Oh,I believe ward also likes a certain small college in Va.
November 14th, 20104:15 pm
Wren wants a trade over Pat Burrell thank god.
November 14th, 20104:16 pm
Do the words W and M mean anything?
November 14th, 20104:17 pm
Uggla favorite to land in Toronto according to Olney and after that post from DOB regarding Rasmus it doesn’t look likely that those two will be Braves next year.
However this is good knowing what could work and what is an unlikely fit for the Braves. Time to zero in on those other RH bats with power that can be found via trade. Whoever this player is, it’s probably going to be someone we never considered knowing Wren.
November 14th, 20104:19 pm
SB,I believe so.
We can scratch Rasmus out, and i was wrong on that guess.Fun chatting with you guy’s. See you later! “Go!!! Braves!!!.”
okay, so likely no Rasmus and no Uggla is what I’m hearing from the DOB. Sort of a buzz kill… but then again, those were always considered long shots anyways, right? Back to “expect the unexpected” mode. Sigh.
November 14th, 20104:20 pm
I keep seeing people suggesting getting Willingham(the hammer).He is a big bat,This guy is on the DL every year.
If the Braves are signing Willingham you need to sign an extra bench player ….He has not been healthy a whole season in 3 or 4 yrs!
November 14th, 20104:21 pm
Uggla in Toronto, eh? What do the Blue Jays do with Aaron Hill then?
Uggla favorite to land in Toronto according to Olney
Could be that they are planning to swap Aaron Hill + prospects for Uggla – cheap in ‘11 and club options for later. Plus he is only 1 year away from big SLG numbers. If that happens, I’d be happy that we dont run into Uggla’s bat often.
November 14th, 20104:22 pm
GM meetings are almost here, maybe something will get leaked out then.
I have to agree with the Cardinals Gm, it really doesn’t make sense to move Rasmus, and thats unfortunate for ATL. And now that the Dodgers have their pitching resolved there is no need to move Matt Kemp.
BJ Upton, Chris Young, Dan Uggla should be on the Braves wish list.
November 14th, 20104:23 pm
If so, it’s a well crafted character and I have to extend my compliments to him.
November 14th, 20104:24 pm
Toronto just lost Encarnarcion through waivers. Their plan, if they acquire him, is to place Uggla at 3rd.
November 14th, 20104:26 pm
Can you imagine Uggla’s defense on astro-turf? Brutal.
Though somehow guys playing in Toronto seem to launch HRs all the time. So Uggla might get to 40+ every year.
November 14th, 20104:29 pm
Braves Wish list:
1. Dan Uggla
2. Chris Young
3. BJ Upton
4. Carlos Quentin
5. Josh Willingham
6. Rajai Davis(if they get Uggla or one of the two that I’m about to mention)
7. Magglio Ordonez
8. Pat Burrell
In that order. 1 or 2 guys from that list and the Braves.
November 14th, 20104:31 pm
Aaron Hill can play 3B I think
November 14th, 20104:35 pm
It’s rather sad that my 49ers got the ball all the way down to the Rams 25 and my first thought was “they won’t score” and I am right…
Aaron Hill could be an option at 2B, 3B or SS. I watched him play at LSU- where he played all 3 of those and played them well enough. He’s not a great defensive player, but he’s serviceable enough to play nearly anywhere in the IF. Technically, Blue Jays could move Hill to 3B and keep Uggla at 2B- since Uggla has stated a distaste for moving from 2nd.
November 14th, 20104:37 pm
Lollygagger, exactly. Thats what I would do if I’m the Blue Jays.
November 14th, 20104:38 pm
Hill an option at 2B, 3B or SS for Jays, I meant… not Braves if anyone took it that way.
November 14th, 20104:39 pm
I hate my team
November 14th, 20104:41 pm
November 14th, 2010
Did you call Ballgame already?
November 14th, 20104:43 pm
talking fantasy football perhaps, I presume? My team’s 3-6 about to be 3-7 on the season. Inotherwords, I can’t wait for pitchers and catchers to report!
November 14th, 20104:44 pm
Wow…did anybody see the ending of the Texans-Jaguars game? Reminiscent of the Immaculate Reception.
No but I’m seriously considering it- 49ers had a pick they ran back to the Rams 5 that was called back for an off-sides, then they jumped off sides again on the very next play to give the Rams a 1st down…Ladies and Gentlemen, Your 2010 San Francisco 49ers!
November 14th, 20104:45 pm
oh, I see the 49ers post now, cabravesfan. Nevermind. In other news: my fantasy football team still sucks.
yes Aaron Hill can play 3B and they were talking of moving him to 3rd when the season ended
November 14th, 20104:46 pm
How do you guys fare in fantasy baseball?? I always finish first or second, this year I finished second by 0.5 points. I had 89.5 and the other guy passed me on the last day of the season with 90
The Braves will not get Uggla. They will field a team consisting of an old, broken down Chipper, a strikeout machine in Gonzalez, an injury ridden Prado, a rookie that can’t hit in the majors with Freeman, McCann, Diaz (horrible), McLouth (see Diaz), and a K machine bust in Heyward, They will once again be the worst offensive team in baseball. SEASON!
Kind of figured Rasm,us wasn’t a real option.
From the Cards point of view, after having made Holliday rich and about to make Pujols even richer than Holliday and them maybe having to make Wainwright rich sometime in the near future, they needed players like Rasmus that were good and cheap longer term.
Without a package of a couple players just like him (which Wren certainly wasn’t about to part with, anyway), it certainly wouldn’t be worth their while to deal him.
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