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Moe Berg
November 2nd, 2010
12:11 am
“Where is he? What does he have left? I think he’ll end up in the bullpen.”
Scouts should at least give him an off-season to smoke up before writing him off.
TnBrian
November 2nd, 2010
12:12 am
nolie, I agree they do need a righty platoon 1B, but I’d still like to see Hinske retained to play LF, or just be the primary PH. I love that guy.
Man, DOB can come up with some doozies now and again. He’s had me laughing to tears before. His last one ranks up there as one of his best, imo.
Dave once got Anders good about his constant blabbing about how David Murphy was going to be this and that real soon. Dave quoted and “checked” off every one of Anders predictions in that DOB sarcasm we all know. That was his best for me.
Tom O'Hawke
November 2nd, 2010
12:15 am
N8
I’ve never been, but a friend of mine is always trying to get me to go to one of the local “beer fests”. What you described sounds the same as what he describes.
He loves them, and always has a willing designated driver (his wife).
Tom O'Hawke
November 2nd, 2010
12:16 am
oops, I “O’Hawked” it. (like a McFann but worse)
Mitchell
November 2nd, 2010
12:20 am
So I guess that’s it, huh?
Giants 4 games to 1. The Team of Destiny… was watching the action from the comfort of their homes.
Because they made seven errors and completely blew two games against the World Champs in the final innings that had they been played during the regular season we would have won 99.9% of the time.
I’m speaking about the Braves of course. It’s amazing that the team that was thought to be the worst of the eight clubs in the playoffs was the only one who had more than a decent chance of beating the Giants.
You’d think if this were Boston or somewhere you’d still hear people talking about Game 3 and how Bobby Cox could leave Brooks Conrad out there for the 9th inning and then take Kimbrel out for Dunn but I guess I’m the only one.
We’re a pretty forgiving bunch aren’t we? I don’t know if you could call it unforgiveable for a manager to win only one World Series with the number one pitching staff in baseball for as many years as Bobby had but it certain borders on the unbelievable.
As hard as it is to watch a team we should have beaten in the division series go on to win the World Series it’s even harder when you consider we had three Hall of Famers and we never saw them do to a team what the sorry as Giants just did to the Rangers. Life ain’t fair I guess.
Remember when we thought they might actually win the World Series this year?
Yeah, that was funny.
Moe Berg
November 2nd, 2010
12:24 am
Mitchell–As Fenelon long ago said, ‘let go.’ It is okay. The season is over, a new one will soon begin.
N8
November 2nd, 2010
12:26 am
Tom O’Hawke, we took a cab. The strangest part is that it went from 5:00 – 9:00. So it was strange as hell getting home at 9:30 pretty piled up. That’s normally when I get started, especially when we’re playing. Sometimes later.
But yeah, that’s a lot of beer to throw down for a lot of people that probably don’t usually kick it back that fast. There was people finishing off their punch card, and then taking the rest of their spouse’s and finishing that off.
Those little cups were deceiving. But it was enough.
nolie
November 2nd, 2010
12:27 am
not as funny as your posts Mitchie gal
Tom O'Hawke
November 2nd, 2010
12:27 am
Uh oh. I’m hearing a ringing in my ears. I hope it’s nothing too serious.
Oh wait, my bad. It was just my oven timer … my dinner is ready. Good night to whomever is still lurking out there. I’ll be back sometime between tomorrow and February.
nolie
November 2nd, 2010
12:32 am
whats with all the meals at midnight and later between Moe and Tom?
Tom O'Hawke
November 2nd, 2010
12:35 am
Moe and Tom are normal, it’s everyone else that eats at weird hours.
Mitchell
November 2nd, 2010
12:39 am
Frenchy absolutely has to be the happiest guy in the Rangers clubhouse.
For once, it’s not his fault the team lost. It would seem his scapegoating days are over for the foreseable future.
Hey, at least he got to go from the Mets to a first place team and play in a World Series.
And he didn’t embarrass himself. That’s gotta feel good.
Mitchie-san
November 2nd, 2010
12:40 am
not as funny as your posts Mitchie gal– nolie
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Mitchell
November 2nd, 2010
12:40 am
When does baseball start again?
Soon I hope.
N8
November 2nd, 2010
12:44 am
“As hard as it is to watch a team we should have beaten in the division series go on to win the World Series it’s even harder when you consider we had three Hall of Famers and we never saw them do to a team what the sorry as Giants just did to the Rangers. Life ain’t fair I guess.” Mitchell
That isn’t completely true.
In 1995, the Braves pitching, quite simply for lack of a better phrase…. “bitch-slapped” the Reds. A team we were supposed to be in trouble against because of their LHP and our LH heavy batting order.
Against the Reds, Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux and Avery pitched 28 innings in the 4 games, and gave up 5 ER (1.60 ERA). Leading to the 4-0 sweep.
In the 6 game WS against the Indians, Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz and Avery combined for 38.2 IP and allowed 11 ER (2.56 ERA), with Smoltz having the one “bump in the road in game 3 (2.1 IP, 4 ER).
The Giants just finished a 5 game series in which Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez and Bumgarner pitched 34 innings and allowed 9 ER (2.38 ERA), in winning the series 4 games to 1.
So, not only were you wrong once. You were wrong twice. Braves did it in back to back series in 95. Of course, it’s no coincidence that that is the year that they won it all.
Add to that, I don’t care what you say. That Indians team was a better hitting team that both the Rangers and the Phillies this year. And the Braves won that 95 world series playing all 6 games in a massive hitters parks. No luxury of playing any games in the grand canyon the Giants play in.
Don’t underestimate just how damn good the Braves pitched in the 95 post season.
Our “Cody Ross” and “Edgar Renteria” went by the name of Mike Devereaux that fall. Oddly enough, that Braves lineup was anchored with a rookie in the 3-hole as well and a veteran SS that was playing due to an injury to the regular guy after being on the bench most of the year.
As it did for the Giants this fall, the stars aligned just right for that 95 Braves team. Hopefully it happens again in my lifetime.
Tom O'Hawke
November 2nd, 2010
12:45 am
Mitchie-san
He didn’t mean you.
nolie
November 2nd, 2010
12:57 am
What the hell is that supposed to mean
nothing to you it was directed at Mitchell the b1+chy little girl
N8
November 2nd, 2010
12:58 am
I’m sorry Mitchell, if the simple facts got in the way of your rant.
Proceed.
Moe Berg
November 2nd, 2010
1:05 am
Just back from dinner, and I must agree with Tom. What is the point with a dinner that leaves one hungry by the time one is heading to bed.
nolie
November 2nd, 2010
1:11 am
diabetics are s’posed to hace a snack B4 bedtime. not quite the same thing I guess
N8
November 2nd, 2010
1:14 am
Mitchell, if you were simply talking about what our HOF trio did in WS games, you’re even more wrong than you think.
In the 96 world series against the Yankees, the Braves lost 4 games to 2.
Smoltz, Maddux, Glavine and Neagle tallied 40 IP in those 6 games, and allowed 7 ER (that’s right….. 7 ER in 6 games) for an ERA of 1.57.
In the 1999 WS against the Yanks, the foursome of Maddux, Millwood, Glavine and Smoltz allowed 13 ER in 23 IP (5.08 ERA), mainly skewed by Millwood’s 2 IP/4 ER performance in game 2.
1991 and 1992 don’t count, because you said the “3 HOF pitchers”. So, in 2 of the 3 world series that the 3 HOF pitchers participated in, 1 of them they got knocked around a bit. 1 of them they were actually better than the Giants were this year. And in the other 1, they were just slightly worse (ERA wise), but didn’t get to pitch in SF’s ballpark.
But if you’d like me to look up the 91 and 92 stats for you in those WS, I’ll do it. Because I’m afraid you’re not going to like those numbers either.
N8
November 2nd, 2010
1:32 am
OK Mitchell. I couldn’t wait around for you to ask me to do it. I just thought I’d do it.
1991 world series against Twins. Leibrandt (who remembered that he started game 1 in Minnesota and then didn’t start again?), Glavine, Avery and Smoltz combined in the 7 games to pitch 44.2 IP, and allowed 15 ER (3.02 ERA)
1992 world series against Toronto, Glavine, Avery and Smoltz started all 6 games, pitching 42.1 IP and alloweing 12 ER (2.55 ERA).
As always, in the world series, it was more about clutch hits and defense, then the Braves starters “letting us down” as so many people have tried to cry from the roof-tops.
So, in closing….
In 29 world series games (91, 92, 95, 96 and 99), in which the Braves went 11-20, Braves starting pitchers allowed 58 ER in 188.2 IP. For an ERA of 2.76.
Or 0.38 runs higher than what the Giants starters just did against the Rangers.
Like it or not dude. Our starting staffs did EXACTLY what the Giants staff just did, most of the time in the WS.
Unfortunately, they usually had shoddy defensive lapses behind them, closers that couldn’t seal the deal and a general lack of clutch hits other than in 91 and 95 (and the first two games in 96).
Again. Sorry to let the facts get in the way of your rant. LOL!
nolie
November 2nd, 2010
1:37 am
oooh I wish I was that mean
N8
November 2nd, 2010
1:41 am
If you take out the 1999 world series sweep against the Yankees where they got pounded a bit, the ERA in the 91, 92, 95 and 96 series for the starting staff was 2.46 in 25 games. Yet they still lost 3 of those 4 world series. That number over those 4 series is .08 runs more per game than what the Giants just did.
Also, Braves world series record was actually 11-18. I just assumed they lost them all, so multiplied 5 WS x 4 losses and got the total of 20.
Top that off with the fact that the Giants starters actually only gave up 3 ER in 29 IP against the Braves in 4 games (0.93 ERA), and those 4 guys combining to have a 2.38 ERA isn’t really that big of a deal, is it?
Just like the Braves, NOBODY ever questioned the Giants ability to pitch. Nobody. The only question was whether they would get the necessary clutch hits and if Wilson and the bullpen would hold up under the pressure of October.
Yes and Yes. IE….. World Series champions.
nolie
November 2nd, 2010
1:45 am
good research N8
N8
November 2nd, 2010
2:02 am
Thank nolie. I don’t mind fans saying the Braves “choked”, players failed, Bobby made wrong choices, etc…., etc…
But to say that the starting staffs failed is just silly at best.
I think being a decade removed from the WS, fans have truely forgotten just how good the starting pitching was every night for this team for a decade.
Were they as good as they were during the regular season? Ususally not for Maddux and Glavine.
But face facts people, in order for Maddux to be better than he was in the regular season he would have had to pitch shutout after shutout. Especially in 95.
There was a few stinkers in there for the starters. A couple of times not lasting 5 innings. But there were WAY MORE times of going at least 7 inninigs (and often going 8+) of allowing 2 ER or less.
Now, having said that and doing all that research, the number of un-earned runs allowed by all those starters is crazy. Add to that, how many runs and blown saves the bullpen allowed and had.
But to blame the starters is a weak argument. Especially in the world series’ that the Braves participated in.
Now, that’s not to say that in the 2000’s, there wasn’t some poor pitching performances (Russ Ortiz, Jaret Wright, John Thomson anybody?).
But I thought we were talking about the HOF trio?
nolie
November 2nd, 2010
2:19 am
yup defense and relief was a huge part of the playoff losses, and some stupid plays like Lonnie’s gettin’ deked early in the run
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2010
3:01 am
NEW BLOGGAGE (late-night special)
richbrave
November 2nd, 2010
9:01 am
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David O'Brien
June 16th, 2011
2:52 am
“Media mogul Ted Turner announced Monday that he will give $80 million to a United Nations foundation to fight childhood polio and measles in Nigeria, Africa’s most populous nation.”
I know it makes me an arsehole, but I gotta admit that I do get really annoyed when Ted gives all of this money away to charities instead of baseball players
Wow.