You know, I disagree with many who claim the Teixeira trade was terrible. But I wouldn’t ever ask anyone to stop talking about it. It’s the off-season. This is when trades go down. Looking at old trades is what it’s about. MFIKY, Teixeira for Kotch, Aybar… those were bad trades. They dumped talent, or partial talent, for no talent. Even when Maddux pinched the payroll the Braves were able to get an All-Star catcher for Millwood.
Sometimes it’s as if Wren pigeon holes himself with these deals. Trading a first baseman, seeks only a first basemen in return. Trading a reliever, seeks only a reliever in return.
True but in the Tex case, when you trade your only viable 1b in the middle of the season, then don’t you need to look for a 1b in return. In the Soriano case it was during the Hot Stove season and there was really no need to look for a reliever in return. We already had all we needed.
2011 25 man roster, I actually agree with this. Although I think that bat in the outfield can be a centerfielder. And I think that 4th outfielder should be a platoon partner for Nate or at the very least, a defensive specialist. Carlos Gomez, who I know is no stick all glove, is a a non tender candidate. He would be a solid 4th outfielder for defensive purposes. Solid baserunner too.
The Twins just picked up Kubel’s option, so his name can be scratched off the list of available OF help.
The WS isn’t even over and I’m already worried about this offseason. I know nothing will probably happen until the Winter Meetings, but still… gonna be tense waiting to see what happens.
Given my lack of technological skills, I think I’ll just get on with Internet Explorer. At least I have it, it let’s me on and I can – at the very least – function somwhat normally.
It we got a real CF for the bat, then I would rather have a 4th OF who can mash LH pitching to platoon with Nate considering the problems we have with lefties lately. Nate would be playing 3/4 the time in that situation considering the ratio of LH to RH pitching in the league.
but in the Tex case, when you trade your only viable 1b in the middle of the season, then don’t you need to look for a 1b in return
I’m don’t recall off the top of my head who was in the system.. Pretty sure Barbaro was. Not saying he is the ideal candidate for future planning, but at the time of the Teixeira trade it was a white flag, season is over deal. In that event, I would have rather seen the maximum talent in return regardless of position. If it isn’t a first basemen, plug in a cheap fix from the system and address a better solution in the off-season as the current season is already lost anyway.
The WS isn’t even over and I’m already worried about this offseason.
What are you worried about? If it hasn’t even started, then there is nothing to worry about, right? Wren will do his thing. Let’s just hope that the outfield bat isn’t a band aid like Pat Burrell or Magglio Ordonez.
Worst case scenario – You put Prado in left, leave Omar at second and go out and tweak hell out of the bench, get a RHRP, re-sign Diaz in case you have to put Martin back at second and Omar in CF and be done with it.
It we got a real CF for the bat, then I would rather have a 4th OF who can mash LH pitching to platoon with Nate considering the problems we have with lefties lately.
Which is why I think they are keeping Diaz in the fold for now. If they get a Kemp, Ramus type, then I see them going to arbitration with Diaz and platooning him with Nate…..even though I would still non tender Diaz and try to bring him back at a lesser salary than what he would get through arb. Have to imagine he would get something around 3.5 million. Too much for him, imo. Although we did just pay Melky Cabrera 3.1 million, so who knows.
Lew It means do the Windows update thing. Internet Exployer (IE) has a lot of security holes that can get your machine owned if you hit the wrong web site without it and the Operating System (OS ie Windows) patched.
“Worst case scenario – You put Prado in left, leave Omar at second and go out and tweak hell out of the bench, get a RHRP, re-sign Diaz in case you have to put Martin back at second and Omar in CF and be done with it.”
Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m worried about. When Chipper goes down, and we all know he will, then the lineup gets thrown into disarray because Diaz or someone else has to play every day. It will be the same punchless OF we had this season. Puts a lot of pressure on JHey and FF to produce.
The more I read on here of the available options, the ridiculous trade scenarios, etc the more I think the Braves will go into next season with another reclamation project in the OF who will fall off the face of the earth in July. I don’t think the team can count on another season full of dramatic comebacks and 9th inning magic.
What would the team’s record have been if half of the last at bat victories went the other way? That’s the scary thought that keeps running through my head.
DOB: I’ve really enjoyed Wake Up!. It arrived earlier this week and I can’t stop listening to it. Just a solid album.
Also saw The Girl Who Played With Fire. I’m looking forward to the third one of these. I do miss being in LA where I could see all these films in the theaters when they come out.
What would the team’s record have been if half of the last at bat victories went the other way? That’s the scary thought that keeps running through my head.
Wait a minute Murph, are you suggesting we can’t just pencil in 91 wins and add to them with a crutch in the outfield and a depleted bench?
Murph – That’s why I say tweak hell out of the bench – I don’t want Brooks doing anything except pinch hitting.
That all being said – that was the WORST case sscenario. I still think Wren will package minor league arms for an outfielder with a few years of contractual control and then tweak hell out of the bench.
By tweaking it, I mean they should go out and get a Ty Wigginton type that can play all over and provide some offense.
Just saw on Bowman’s blog that Presley is close to signing with Baltimore. Also said that Diaz would give up arbitration to sign for the same amount he made last year ($2.5mil), although the Braves would probably want him for around $1-1.5mil.
I don’t think the team can count on another season full of dramatic comebacks and 9th inning magic.
I’m not saying a band aid in LF won’t be the route Wren goes, but I am just not going to worry about that right now. The hot stove season hasn’t started yet and I have to imagine that Wren won’t jump quickly on signing Magglio or some other 35 year old+ to man left field and bat cleanup.
I’d take Diaz back at what he made last year, but it’s really time for him to decide which plkayer he’s going to be – the Dude who rakes lefties, or the Matty that stays hurt andf inneffective.
If he hits, he’s well worth the $2.5 mil. If not…….
Whats more realistic this offseason. Acquiring two OF’s that hit for a decent average with average pop or one guy that we may have to overpay for. Personally I’d take the production of two cheaper guys and wait until we have money to spend on a quality big bat.
Matt Diaz has privately told some friends that he’d be willing to avoid arbitration and sign for the same $2.55 million salary he earned this past year. Still it appears, the Braves will likely non-tender him and possibly re-sign him if he’s willing to play for somewhere in the neighborhood of $1-1.5 million this year. With this being said, I won’t be surprised to see Diaz end up in Philadelphia with his good friend and offseason neighbor Charlie Manuel.
I could see that as well. Heck, they may have two platoons in both corner outfield spots with Ibanez/Diaz and Brown/Francisco.
I’d rather see what Milt Tompson can do here as hitting coach. He’d only be a stinkin hc, but he seemed to help those Philly hitters out for a few years. Granted they also had a hitting instructor in Manuel too, but I want that guy here. Philly shafted him for no reason and the new guy they got there didn’t seem to work any magic anyways.
And I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Marek spend much of 2011 and beyond on the 25-man roster. He had a monster year in 2010 (10.5K/2.8BB per 9, between AA and AAA. If he were one year further along in his development, we probably wouldn’t be discussing the need to go and get a RHRP this offseason.
Now you’re talking. MAREK has done well in Fall Ball also. Dude has been pretty much shut-down reliefer the past season. Numbers:
Yeah, I know it’s too early to start worrying. I’m just anticipating the December headlines of “Braves sign so-and-so” and it makes me cringe.
I honestly like the offseason almost as much as the regular season. It’s a chess game. It’s Christmas Eve, full of anticipation… usually followed by Christmas morning and boxes full of socks, but still…
Efrim, I was saying that yesterday about Diaz in Philly. He could platoon with their rookie in the OF or something. You know that feeling you get sometimes? I sort of feel that here.
I really could care less anyways. Sorry, but the Diaz experiment has gotten old and he’s way too streaky of.a hitter and plays God awful defense. I’d say so long to Matt.
I love me some MATTY D, but with this damned budget, you’ve just got to put him on the open market. 2.55 mill for a situational hitter is just too much. He may come back to you for 1.00-1.50 mill plus incentives. And if not, wish him well. A great person who ALWAYS gives you 110% on the field.
Murph, well yeah, you never really know what you’ll get, especially with Wren in charge. He seems to go into a way different direction at times than anybody thought of.
It will be interesting which way Frankie goes this year. In the past he’s had Bobby’s input this year it will be with Freddie’s input. Wonder if the direction will change?
What about Xavier Nady. Can play LF plus gives us a RH first base option to back up Freeman. Hes a decent to above average player. I know he had a down year but he’ll be two years removed from TJ surgery which is when your back to full strength.
If left field has been a dry hole because of lack if offence, Prado would be a good candidate. Not as much power as I would like but his numbers are solid at the plate. Absolutely agree on Infante off the bench to spell Chipper. That leaves us with needing a second baseman with a decent bat. Uggla is a great fit with his power and right handedness. Don’t think that would ever happen with MLB breathing down Marlins neck to spend some money. I don’t know where that leaves us.
I’m wondering if Cory Harrilchak isn’t going to be our best non-trade option for a solid defensive -OF-off the bench. He’s put up great numbers over the last 6 months.
Wouldn’t Canizares be a good trade candidate to some AL team looking for a young DH? Doesn’t sound like he’s ever going to get a chance to play for the Braves.
Matty D is the salt of the earth but time to move on. Let him go. If he was strong defensively I would keep him. I don’t recall the guy throwing out anybody outside of that great throw to McCann the last game. Move on.
I dont think a team would want an unproven guy like Canizares for DH. Sure, he tears up AAA pitching, but they’re probably not convinced he could tear up MLB pitching.
“What about Xavier Nady. Can play LF plus gives us a RH first base option to back up Freeman.” P’cola Brave .
The problem is, what if he struggles again? Then we’re stuck in LF, and we would have to find somebody else to backup FF. Too much risk in my opinion.
I’m hearing a lot of interesting ideas about LF (and 3B after Chipper gets hurt)–Infante, Prado, McClouth, Hinske. If Chipper is able to eke out a .260-ish number, HRs at a 15-20 full season pace (over whatever period he manages to play), then we are already somewhat ahead of last year offensively, looking at LF and 3B in the aggregate. Even moving one of them back to the infield when Chipper goes down leaves us with a tolerable situation, no worse than last year.
But 75% of the ideas all come back to upgrading in CF. I have no answer right now, but that’s where the focus needs to be, CF. IMHO.
Bowman only said they would offer Lee arb if they felt there was strong interest in him from other teams. — ASBravoFan
Lee played most of the season with a torn thumb ligament, which surely contributed to his reduced power. I can’t imagine any team giving him a multi-year offer worth an amount that would make sense for him to take that over a potential arb offer from the Braves, which would result in a one-year deal with a salary of at least $10 mill if he accepted it and went through the process.
If you’re Lee, you gotta figure with a healthy thumb the power numbers are going to be better next season, and if so he’d still be young enough to get a multi-year offer (maybe 2-3 years) next winter that would be far better than what he’d likely be offered this winter.
Net result: I don’t believe he’d have offers good enough this winter to make him turn down the Braves’ arb offer. And I think the Braves probably realize this and won’t offer him arbitration.
As for Saito, that’s irrelevent — he was already released, per contract stipulation. Braves have no control over him now, and will get no compensatory draft picks.
Anyone brought up ManRam yet? Shoot, if you could get 120 games out of him and maybe .270-25-75, his defense certainly couldn’t be much worse than Melky’s. Maybe an incentive-laden 1 year deal like Glaus’??? No crazier than throwing Andruw or Frenchy back out there….
What’s to stop Braves from offering arb to Lee, and then pulling a Soriano if he accepts – ie, trade him before the arbitration salary is set? Surely someone will want a power-hitting, slick-fielding first baseman of his pedigree
Bring Mannywood to ATL? I think he will put up decent numbers offensively (20 HR, .275 average). But there are too many issues with him.
His defense is horrible, and he plays when he wants to. Big disraction. Plus his agent is Scott Boras, so I’m not sure what kind of discount he will give you.
Surely someone will want a power-hitting, slick-fielding first baseman of his pedigree .
Surely somebody will. But more than likely, they wont want him at his arbitration salalry.
His arbitration figure might be over $10 million dollars. Chances are, nobody wants to give him that much money, considering the injuries he had this year, and he is getting up there in age. Especially since they would have to trade for him.
The Braves cant take the chance, because they might be stuck with him.
October 29th, 2010
1:35 pm
Anyone brought up ManRam yet? Shoot, if you could get 120 games out of him and maybe .270-25-75, his defense certainly couldn’t be much worse than Melky’s. Maybe an incentive-laden 1 year deal like Glaus’??? No crazier than throwing Andruw or Frenchy back out there….
I would not touch MANRAM with a 10 foot pool even for 3 – 4 mil. Here is why. Manny was once a great hitter (best RH of my generation) but when he started to slow down about 4 years ago he went to the needle. Now his body is older than his real age. Dude will not stay on the field this year.
No way the Braves offer Lee arbitration. No way. With their budget they can not afford to take the chance. If he accepted if would devastate whats left of the budget.
HuffBraves: It wouldn’t matter if they traded him before his arb salary was set, because teams all have a very good idea what Lee’s arb salary would be. Just like they had a real good idea of what Soriano’s would be.
Don’t do it Braves, don’t do it. Arbitration and Lee should not be in the same sentence. I’m telling ya, he’ll accept it. He’ll play his butt off. He’ll have a good season. But he’ll handcuff the team financially and Lee at full strength with FF on the bench doesn’t sound as good as FF at first and some top-tier OF roaming in CF or LF.
Please, please don’t offer him arbitration. Please.
According to Bowman, Pressley’s deal with the O’s will also be a two-year contract. Am I correct that the Braves have a policy of not offering coaches mutli-year contracts? could this be hurting us in this case?
Also, do we have any ideas as to who the other candidates are?
As I sit here digesting some eastern NC BBQ, I like the idea of putting Prado at LF if Chipper returns and Infante at 2nd. That would leave us needing only a top CF from one of the best outfields around. Actually I would move Heyward to CF and grab a RF so I guess we will see.
Still not believing the Rangers are playing this bad. Wouldn’t surprise me to see them win the next three at all. If Lee doesn’t pitch 2 more games they will lose. Plus pitch like Lee we know well not the imposter we saw the other night. Anyway still sticking with Rangers in 7.
Thanks, DOB. When you say an announcement is coming soon…you really mean it!
I doubt they’d give a straight answer, but it would be interesting to know if they chose Parrish over Pressley, or if Pressley chose the O’s before the Braves chose Parrish.
October 29th, 2010
12:08 pm
I’m wondering if Cory Harrilchak isn’t going to be our best non-trade option for a solid defensive -OF-off the bench. He’s put up great numbers over the last 6 months.
Certainly has that the last half of this past season, and out in “ZONA.
larry parish. has alot of experience in managing. was the interim manager for leyland with the tigers. has a very good relationship with the players from what i heard.
O.k. here’s bitchin’ about bitchin’, happy? COX is gone, but now we’ve got FREDDI to pillory. And don’t forget TP is lurking in the dug-out and at 1st base still. More bitching to be done next season. Let’s start now with why don’t the braves get a top tier bat and OF’er?
I’m into the Parish (sp?) hire. I like the experience under Leyland. We have a generally young team, and lots of guys on thee way. You need experience for this.
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TennesseePaul
October 29th, 2010
11:10 am
You know, I disagree with many who claim the Teixeira trade was terrible. But I wouldn’t ever ask anyone to stop talking about it. It’s the off-season. This is when trades go down. Looking at old trades is what it’s about. MFIKY, Teixeira for Kotch, Aybar… those were bad trades. They dumped talent, or partial talent, for no talent. Even when Maddux pinched the payroll the Braves were able to get an All-Star catcher for Millwood.
Sometimes it’s as if Wren pigeon holes himself with these deals. Trading a first baseman, seeks only a first basemen in return. Trading a reliever, seeks only a reliever in return.
Fleming
October 29th, 2010
11:16 am
TennesseePaul
True but in the Tex case, when you trade your only viable 1b in the middle of the season, then don’t you need to look for a 1b in return. In the Soriano case it was during the Hot Stove season and there was really no need to look for a reliever in return. We already had all we needed.
Efrim
October 29th, 2010
11:21 am
2011 25 man roster, I actually agree with this. Although I think that bat in the outfield can be a centerfielder. And I think that 4th outfielder should be a platoon partner for Nate or at the very least, a defensive specialist. Carlos Gomez, who I know is no stick all glove, is a a non tender candidate. He would be a solid 4th outfielder for defensive purposes. Solid baserunner too.
Murph
October 29th, 2010
11:25 am
The Twins just picked up Kubel’s option, so his name can be scratched off the list of available OF help.
The WS isn’t even over and I’m already worried about this offseason. I know nothing will probably happen until the Winter Meetings, but still… gonna be tense waiting to see what happens.
Lew
October 29th, 2010
11:25 am
Given my lack of technological skills, I think I’ll just get on with Internet Explorer. At least I have it, it let’s me on and I can – at the very least – function somwhat normally.
Thanks for the suggestions, though.
Fleming
October 29th, 2010
11:26 am
Efrin
It we got a real CF for the bat, then I would rather have a 4th OF who can mash LH pitching to platoon with Nate considering the problems we have with lefties lately. Nate would be playing 3/4 the time in that situation considering the ratio of LH to RH pitching in the league.
N Nine
October 29th, 2010
11:27 am
Presley appears close to becoming Orioles hitting coach. Trick or treat.
TennesseePaul
October 29th, 2010
11:27 am
but in the Tex case, when you trade your only viable 1b in the middle of the season, then don’t you need to look for a 1b in return
I’m don’t recall off the top of my head who was in the system.. Pretty sure Barbaro was. Not saying he is the ideal candidate for future planning, but at the time of the Teixeira trade it was a white flag, season is over deal. In that event, I would have rather seen the maximum talent in return regardless of position. If it isn’t a first basemen, plug in a cheap fix from the system and address a better solution in the off-season as the current season is already lost anyway.
Efrim
October 29th, 2010
11:27 am
The WS isn’t even over and I’m already worried about this offseason.
What are you worried about? If it hasn’t even started, then there is nothing to worry about, right? Wren will do his thing. Let’s just hope that the outfield bat isn’t a band aid like Pat Burrell or Magglio Ordonez.
Fleming
October 29th, 2010
11:27 am
Lew
If you gonna use IE just make sure your OS and IE patches are up to date.
Lew
October 29th, 2010
11:28 am
Murph – I’m not planning on worrying this winter.
Worst case scenario – You put Prado in left, leave Omar at second and go out and tweak hell out of the bench, get a RHRP, re-sign Diaz in case you have to put Martin back at second and Omar in CF and be done with it.
Lew
October 29th, 2010
11:29 am
Fleming – It would help if I had a clue what those hieroglyphics you just mentioned, meant.
Fleming
October 29th, 2010
11:30 am
Efrim
Right about that. If it gets to be the end of Feb into March and nothings done, then time to worry.
Efrim
October 29th, 2010
11:30 am
It we got a real CF for the bat, then I would rather have a 4th OF who can mash LH pitching to platoon with Nate considering the problems we have with lefties lately.
Which is why I think they are keeping Diaz in the fold for now. If they get a Kemp, Ramus type, then I see them going to arbitration with Diaz and platooning him with Nate…..even though I would still non tender Diaz and try to bring him back at a lesser salary than what he would get through arb. Have to imagine he would get something around 3.5 million. Too much for him, imo. Although we did just pay Melky Cabrera 3.1 million, so who knows.
Fleming
October 29th, 2010
11:32 am
Lew It means do the Windows update thing. Internet Exployer (IE) has a lot of security holes that can get your machine owned if you hit the wrong web site without it and the Operating System (OS ie Windows) patched.
Lew
October 29th, 2010
11:37 am
Fleming – Got it – Thanks.
Murph
October 29th, 2010
11:38 am
“Worst case scenario – You put Prado in left, leave Omar at second and go out and tweak hell out of the bench, get a RHRP, re-sign Diaz in case you have to put Martin back at second and Omar in CF and be done with it.”
Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m worried about. When Chipper goes down, and we all know he will, then the lineup gets thrown into disarray because Diaz or someone else has to play every day. It will be the same punchless OF we had this season. Puts a lot of pressure on JHey and FF to produce.
The more I read on here of the available options, the ridiculous trade scenarios, etc the more I think the Braves will go into next season with another reclamation project in the OF who will fall off the face of the earth in July. I don’t think the team can count on another season full of dramatic comebacks and 9th inning magic.
What would the team’s record have been if half of the last at bat victories went the other way? That’s the scary thought that keeps running through my head.
TennesseePaul
October 29th, 2010
11:38 am
DOB: I’ve really enjoyed Wake Up!. It arrived earlier this week and I can’t stop listening to it. Just a solid album.
Also saw The Girl Who Played With Fire. I’m looking forward to the third one of these. I do miss being in LA where I could see all these films in the theaters when they come out.
TennesseePaul
October 29th, 2010
11:40 am
What would the team’s record have been if half of the last at bat victories went the other way? That’s the scary thought that keeps running through my head.
Wait a minute Murph, are you suggesting we can’t just pencil in 91 wins and add to them with a crutch in the outfield and a depleted bench?
Lew
October 29th, 2010
11:40 am
Murph – That’s why I say tweak hell out of the bench – I don’t want Brooks doing anything except pinch hitting.
That all being said – that was the WORST case sscenario. I still think Wren will package minor league arms for an outfielder with a few years of contractual control and then tweak hell out of the bench.
By tweaking it, I mean they should go out and get a Ty Wigginton type that can play all over and provide some offense.
Murph
October 29th, 2010
11:41 am
Just saw on Bowman’s blog that Presley is close to signing with Baltimore. Also said that Diaz would give up arbitration to sign for the same amount he made last year ($2.5mil), although the Braves would probably want him for around $1-1.5mil.
Efrim
October 29th, 2010
11:43 am
I don’t think the team can count on another season full of dramatic comebacks and 9th inning magic.
I’m not saying a band aid in LF won’t be the route Wren goes, but I am just not going to worry about that right now. The hot stove season hasn’t started yet and I have to imagine that Wren won’t jump quickly on signing Magglio or some other 35 year old+ to man left field and bat cleanup.
Lew
October 29th, 2010
11:44 am
I’d take Diaz back at what he made last year, but it’s really time for him to decide which plkayer he’s going to be – the Dude who rakes lefties, or the Matty that stays hurt andf inneffective.
If he hits, he’s well worth the $2.5 mil. If not…….
P'cola Brave
October 29th, 2010
11:46 am
Whats more realistic this offseason. Acquiring two OF’s that hit for a decent average with average pop or one guy that we may have to overpay for. Personally I’d take the production of two cheaper guys and wait until we have money to spend on a quality big bat.
Lew
October 29th, 2010
11:46 am
Maybe I worded that a bit wrong. It’s time for Matt to step up and to be the player we know he can be.
Fleming
October 29th, 2010
11:48 am
Murph
There’s no reason to be worried not. Not really expecting anything major to happen until the winter meetings at the earliest.
Efrim
October 29th, 2010
11:48 am
Bowman:
Matt Diaz has privately told some friends that he’d be willing to avoid arbitration and sign for the same $2.55 million salary he earned this past year. Still it appears, the Braves will likely non-tender him and possibly re-sign him if he’s willing to play for somewhere in the neighborhood of $1-1.5 million this year. With this being said, I won’t be surprised to see Diaz end up in Philadelphia with his good friend and offseason neighbor Charlie Manuel.
I could see that as well. Heck, they may have two platoons in both corner outfield spots with Ibanez/Diaz and Brown/Francisco.
TnBrian
October 29th, 2010
11:49 am
I’d rather see what Milt Tompson can do here as hitting coach. He’d only be a stinkin hc, but he seemed to help those Philly hitters out for a few years. Granted they also had a hitting instructor in Manuel too, but I want that guy here. Philly shafted him for no reason and the new guy they got there didn’t seem to work any magic anyways.
richbrave
October 29th, 2010
11:50 am
MikeInFl
October 29th, 2010
9:07 am
And I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Marek spend much of 2011 and beyond on the 25-man roster. He had a monster year in 2010 (10.5K/2.8BB per 9, between AA and AAA. If he were one year further along in his development, we probably wouldn’t be discussing the need to go and get a RHRP this offseason.
Now you’re talking. MAREK has done well in Fall Ball also. Dude has been pretty much shut-down reliefer the past season. Numbers:
VENEZUELAN FALL BALL
LARIOS
3 G, 1 SV, 3.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 HR, 3 BB, 2 SO, 2 WP, 1 GIDP, 0.00 ERA, 0.90 WHIP, .000 AvAg.
AA JACKSON
11 G, 4-0, 4 SV, 13.0 IP, 7 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 HR, 1 BB, 18 SO, 0 HB, 0.00 ERA, 0.62 WHIP, .163 AvAg.
AAA GWINNETT
49 G, 2-2, 9 SV, 50.1 IP, 38 H, 13 R, 8 ER, 4 HR, 19 BB, 56 SO, 0 HB, 1.13 WHIP, .143 ERA, .207 AvAg.
Pretty good year. Been a BRAVE since mid-’08 in three player deal – TEIXEIRA for KOTCHMAN and MAREK.
Murph
October 29th, 2010
11:51 am
Yeah, I know it’s too early to start worrying. I’m just anticipating the December headlines of “Braves sign so-and-so” and it makes me cringe.
I honestly like the offseason almost as much as the regular season. It’s a chess game. It’s Christmas Eve, full of anticipation… usually followed by Christmas morning and boxes full of socks, but still…
TnBrian
October 29th, 2010
11:53 am
Efrim, I was saying that yesterday about Diaz in Philly. He could platoon with their rookie in the OF or something. You know that feeling you get sometimes? I sort of feel that here.
I really could care less anyways. Sorry, but the Diaz experiment has gotten old and he’s way too streaky of.a hitter and plays God awful defense. I’d say so long to Matt.
Efrim
October 29th, 2010
11:55 am
It’s Christmas Eve, full of anticipation… usually followed by Christmas morning and boxes full of socks, but still…
That was funny. Although I think Melky Cabrera was a piece of coal. A large lump of black coal.
richbrave
October 29th, 2010
11:56 am
I love me some MATTY D, but with this damned budget, you’ve just got to put him on the open market. 2.55 mill for a situational hitter is just too much. He may come back to you for 1.00-1.50 mill plus incentives. And if not, wish him well. A great person who ALWAYS gives you 110% on the field.
Murph
October 29th, 2010
11:56 am
How are you guys doing italics and bold? Is it markup code?
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Couch Tater
October 29th, 2010
11:57 am
richbrave – Yes. As a matter of fact, I thought of this Tito Puente number when efrim was talking about Ozzie to Miami…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzJvlzanmTc&NR=1
Heading to my Nassau, enjoy!
TnBrian
October 29th, 2010
11:57 am
Murph, well yeah, you never really know what you’ll get, especially with Wren in charge. He seems to go into a way different direction at times than anybody thought of.
Could be good or bad. We’ll see.
Rob from SC
October 29th, 2010
11:58 am
FOr everyone asking for Rasmus, Kemp, Jones, and Choo please do us a favor. When making proposals look at it from that teams side.
They will want Teheran or Delgado plus.
Fleming
October 29th, 2010
12:00 pm
It will be interesting which way Frankie goes this year. In the past he’s had Bobby’s input this year it will be with Freddie’s input. Wonder if the direction will change?
Murph
October 29th, 2010
12:02 pm
“They will want Teheran or Delgado plus.”
Yup, probably. Gotta spend money to make money… errr… gotta send good players to get good players.
P'cola Brave
October 29th, 2010
12:03 pm
What about Xavier Nady. Can play LF plus gives us a RH first base option to back up Freeman. Hes a decent to above average player. I know he had a down year but he’ll be two years removed from TJ surgery which is when your back to full strength.
Efrim
October 29th, 2010
12:05 pm
They will want Teheran or Delgado plus.
You’re probably right.
Travis
October 29th, 2010
12:05 pm
If left field has been a dry hole because of lack if offence, Prado would be a good candidate. Not as much power as I would like but his numbers are solid at the plate. Absolutely agree on Infante off the bench to spell Chipper. That leaves us with needing a second baseman with a decent bat. Uggla is a great fit with his power and right handedness. Don’t think that would ever happen with MLB breathing down Marlins neck to spend some money. I don’t know where that leaves us.
TennesseePaul
October 29th, 2010
12:07 pm
Murph, it’s not a brace, it’s the greater than/less than symbols.
Elon Brave
October 29th, 2010
12:08 pm
I’m wondering if Cory Harrilchak isn’t going to be our best non-trade option for a solid defensive -OF-off the bench. He’s put up great numbers over the last 6 months.
TennesseePaul
October 29th, 2010
12:08 pm
and yes, HTML… though most of the HTML is purged. but simple font markup like italics and bold are allowed.
Bat Masterson
October 29th, 2010
12:08 pm
http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_formatting.asp
Murph
TennesseePaul
October 29th, 2010
12:09 pm
Cory Harrilchak is old for his level of play and … I could see him struggling to maintain the Ryan Langerhans roll.
Bat Masterson
October 29th, 2010
12:10 pm
Murph
richbrave
October 29th, 2010
12:13 pm
DAMN, I just saw CANIZARES’ MEXICAN fall ball results. CRAZY. He batting .688 with 11 hits in 16 ab’s. The dude can rake in AAAA at least.
MikeInFl
October 29th, 2010
12:14 pm
Pretty good year. Been a BRAVE since mid-’08 in three player deal – TEIXEIRA for KOTCHMAN and MAREK.
RICHBRAVE, I know… that’s why I posted the comment about him; to refute the idea that we got nothing in return for Tex.
Fleming
October 29th, 2010
12:17 pm
MikeInFl
People need to realize that we were shopping Tex as a 3 month rental only. Couldn’t expect a lot in return.
Murph
October 29th, 2010
12:20 pm
test
Murph!
Murph
October 29th, 2010
12:21 pm
sweet… thanks!
Murph
October 29th, 2010
12:22 pm
Wouldn’t Canizares be a good trade candidate to some AL team looking for a young DH? Doesn’t sound like he’s ever going to get a chance to play for the Braves.
Frankie Wren
October 29th, 2010
12:40 pm
Matty D is the salt of the earth but time to move on. Let him go. If he was strong defensively I would keep him. I don’t recall the guy throwing out anybody outside of that great throw to McCann the last game. Move on.
TennesseePaul
October 29th, 2010
12:50 pm
looking for a young DH?
I didn’t think he was that young.
unbelievable
October 29th, 2010
1:12 pm
Bowman also believes that the Braves will offer Derrek Lee arb. That makes zero sense
unbelievable
October 29th, 2010
1:14 pm
Diaz yearly values with the braves
2006 – $8.1
2007 – $12.2
2008 – ($3.6)
2009 – $11.6
2010 – $2.4
Both 2008 and 2010 were years where he faced some type of major injury. He’s well worth a $2.5 mil investment.
Gary O
October 29th, 2010
1:15 pm
Murph,
I dont think a team would want an unproven guy like Canizares for DH. Sure, he tears up AAA pitching, but they’re probably not convinced he could tear up MLB pitching.
“What about Xavier Nady. Can play LF plus gives us a RH first base option to back up Freeman.” P’cola Brave .
The problem is, what if he struggles again? Then we’re stuck in LF, and we would have to find somebody else to backup FF. Too much risk in my opinion.
AZBravoFan
October 29th, 2010
1:16 pm
Bowman only said they would offer Lee arb if they felt there was strong interest in him from other teams.
old man
October 29th, 2010
1:22 pm
I’m hearing a lot of interesting ideas about LF (and 3B after Chipper gets hurt)–Infante, Prado, McClouth, Hinske. If Chipper is able to eke out a .260-ish number, HRs at a 15-20 full season pace (over whatever period he manages to play), then we are already somewhat ahead of last year offensively, looking at LF and 3B in the aggregate. Even moving one of them back to the infield when Chipper goes down leaves us with a tolerable situation, no worse than last year.
But 75% of the ideas all come back to upgrading in CF. I have no answer right now, but that’s where the focus needs to be, CF. IMHO.
unbelievable
October 29th, 2010
1:32 pm
they thought Soriano would have strong interest last year
David O'Brien
October 29th, 2010
1:33 pm
Bowman only said they would offer Lee arb if they felt there was strong interest in him from other teams. — ASBravoFan
Lee played most of the season with a torn thumb ligament, which surely contributed to his reduced power. I can’t imagine any team giving him a multi-year offer worth an amount that would make sense for him to take that over a potential arb offer from the Braves, which would result in a one-year deal with a salary of at least $10 mill if he accepted it and went through the process.
If you’re Lee, you gotta figure with a healthy thumb the power numbers are going to be better next season, and if so he’d still be young enough to get a multi-year offer (maybe 2-3 years) next winter that would be far better than what he’d likely be offered this winter.
Net result: I don’t believe he’d have offers good enough this winter to make him turn down the Braves’ arb offer. And I think the Braves probably realize this and won’t offer him arbitration.
As for Saito, that’s irrelevent — he was already released, per contract stipulation. Braves have no control over him now, and will get no compensatory draft picks.
unbelievable
October 29th, 2010
1:34 pm
DOB @ 1:33 – exactly
AZBravoFan
October 29th, 2010
1:35 pm
Anyone brought up ManRam yet? Shoot, if you could get 120 games out of him and maybe .270-25-75, his defense certainly couldn’t be much worse than Melky’s. Maybe an incentive-laden 1 year deal like Glaus’??? No crazier than throwing Andruw or Frenchy back out there….
HuffBraves
October 29th, 2010
1:47 pm
What’s to stop Braves from offering arb to Lee, and then pulling a Soriano if he accepts – ie, trade him before the arbitration salary is set? Surely someone will want a power-hitting, slick-fielding first baseman of his pedigree
Gary O
October 29th, 2010
1:47 pm
AZBravoFan,
Bring Mannywood to ATL? I think he will put up decent numbers offensively (20 HR, .275 average). But there are too many issues with him.
His defense is horrible, and he plays when he wants to. Big disraction. Plus his agent is Scott Boras, so I’m not sure what kind of discount he will give you.
Gary O
October 29th, 2010
1:50 pm
HuffBraves,
Surely someone will want a power-hitting, slick-fielding first baseman of his pedigree .
Surely somebody will. But more than likely, they wont want him at his arbitration salalry.
His arbitration figure might be over $10 million dollars. Chances are, nobody wants to give him that much money, considering the injuries he had this year, and he is getting up there in age. Especially since they would have to trade for him.
The Braves cant take the chance, because they might be stuck with him.
glord1
October 29th, 2010
1:51 pm
AZBravoFan
October 29th, 2010
1:35 pm
Anyone brought up ManRam yet? Shoot, if you could get 120 games out of him and maybe .270-25-75, his defense certainly couldn’t be much worse than Melky’s. Maybe an incentive-laden 1 year deal like Glaus’??? No crazier than throwing Andruw or Frenchy back out there….
I would not touch MANRAM with a 10 foot pool even for 3 – 4 mil. Here is why. Manny was once a great hitter (best RH of my generation) but when he started to slow down about 4 years ago he went to the needle. Now his body is older than his real age. Dude will not stay on the field this year.
glord1
October 29th, 2010
1:54 pm
No way the Braves offer Lee arbitration. No way. With their budget they can not afford to take the chance. If he accepted if would devastate whats left of the budget.
David O'Brien
October 29th, 2010
1:55 pm
HuffBraves: It wouldn’t matter if they traded him before his arb salary was set, because teams all have a very good idea what Lee’s arb salary would be. Just like they had a real good idea of what Soriano’s would be.
Murph
October 29th, 2010
2:08 pm
Don’t do it Braves, don’t do it. Arbitration and Lee should not be in the same sentence. I’m telling ya, he’ll accept it. He’ll play his butt off. He’ll have a good season. But he’ll handcuff the team financially and Lee at full strength with FF on the bench doesn’t sound as good as FF at first and some top-tier OF roaming in CF or LF.
Please, please don’t offer him arbitration. Please.
David O'Brien
October 29th, 2010
2:08 pm
Braves have interviewed Larry Parrish for hitting-coach job. The former MON-TEX slugger currently serves as Tigers Triple-A manager.
They interviewed Jim Presley, Parrish and at least one other candidate.
Announcement could be made soon.
One-Eyed Mac
October 29th, 2010
2:11 pm
According to Bowman, Pressley’s deal with the O’s will also be a two-year contract. Am I correct that the Braves have a policy of not offering coaches mutli-year contracts? could this be hurting us in this case?
Also, do we have any ideas as to who the other candidates are?
One-Eyed Mac
October 29th, 2010
2:13 pm
Apparently we do…nice work, DOB!
TennesseePaul
October 29th, 2010
2:16 pm
Did they interview McCann’s pop?
Murph
October 29th, 2010
2:16 pm
What happened to the comment pages? It’s all on one page now? I don’t like it.
David O'Brien
October 29th, 2010
2:17 pm
One-eyed Mac: Braves don’t generally give coaches multi-year contracts, but McDowell got one when he came.
That was their policy under Schuerholz. Not necessarily under Wren.
Bay Area Steve
October 29th, 2010
2:18 pm
Pagination no more? Permanent?
Dadgum
October 29th, 2010
2:20 pm
As I sit here digesting some eastern NC BBQ, I like the idea of putting Prado at LF if Chipper returns and Infante at 2nd. That would leave us needing only a top CF from one of the best outfields around. Actually I would move Heyward to CF and grab a RF so I guess we will see.
Still not believing the Rangers are playing this bad. Wouldn’t surprise me to see them win the next three at all. If Lee doesn’t pitch 2 more games they will lose. Plus pitch like Lee we know well not the imposter we saw the other night. Anyway still sticking with Rangers in 7.
cabravesfan
October 29th, 2010
2:21 pm
Not liking the one page format that is happening right now…
chris
October 29th, 2010
2:22 pm
yea i dont like the one page either. makes everything longer
David O'Brien
October 29th, 2010
2:22 pm
It’s official, Parrish is the Braves’ hitting coach
JBoog1285
October 29th, 2010
2:23 pm
Larry Parrish has been hired as hitting coach per Braves news release.
richbrave
October 29th, 2010
2:25 pm
Murph
October 29th, 2010
12:22 pm
Wouldn’t Canizares be a good trade candidate to some AL team looking for a young DH?
I think your operative word is “young” which he isn’t.
Murph
October 29th, 2010
2:27 pm
Larry Parrish: .263 AVG, .318 OBP, .439 SLG, 256 HR, 992 RBI spread out over 15 seasons.
I remember the name, but know nothing else about the guy. Hope he’s a good teacher.
Bat Masterson
October 29th, 2010
2:28 pm
Bad to worse here. What gives?
RSM
October 29th, 2010
2:29 pm
Wasn’t Parrish interim manager of Tigers before Leyland
One-Eyed Mac
October 29th, 2010
2:31 pm
Thanks, DOB. When you say an announcement is coming soon…you really mean it!
I doubt they’d give a straight answer, but it would be interesting to know if they chose Parrish over Pressley, or if Pressley chose the O’s before the Braves chose Parrish.
Murph
October 29th, 2010
2:33 pm
Bah, this 1 page for 25 pages worth of comments blog thing sucks.
Is the AJC.com web server owned by Liberty Media or something? Why the cutbacks? Give us our pages!
The A Bomb
October 29th, 2010
2:34 pm
Parrish — solid hitter with Montreal. Leadership qualities.
Good hire.
We don’t want all of Gonzalez’s “boys” here.
richbrave
October 29th, 2010
2:34 pm
RE recent one page format………
To speed down, click on the side bar and pull down with the cursor.
jeffrey d
October 29th, 2010
2:35 pm
I’ll be they would have hired Presley if Elvis Andrus was still on the team
Owl Hunter
October 29th, 2010
2:36 pm
Can’t wait to hear all the b!tching on this hire. “Waaahhh! He didn’t hit a lot in the majors! Waaahhh!! Fire everybody!!! It’s Cox’s fault! Waaahhh!”
Murph
October 29th, 2010
2:37 pm
I can’t wait to hear all the bitching about the bitching. It’s a waste of a post x2.
Owl Hunter
October 29th, 2010
2:38 pm
We could do this all day!
richbrave
October 29th, 2010
2:39 pm
Elon Brave
October 29th, 2010
12:08 pm
I’m wondering if Cory Harrilchak isn’t going to be our best non-trade option for a solid defensive -OF-off the bench. He’s put up great numbers over the last 6 months.
Certainly has that the last half of this past season, and out in “ZONA.
chris
October 29th, 2010
2:40 pm
larry parish. has alot of experience in managing. was the interim manager for leyland with the tigers. has a very good relationship with the players from what i heard.
richbrave
October 29th, 2010
2:43 pm
O.k. here’s bitchin’ about bitchin’, happy? COX is gone, but now we’ve got FREDDI to pillory. And don’t forget TP is lurking in the dug-out and at 1st base still. More bitching to be done next season. Let’s start now with why don’t the braves get a top tier bat and OF’er?
Owl Hunter
October 29th, 2010
2:43 pm
I’m into the Parish (sp?) hire. I like the experience under Leyland. We have a generally young team, and lots of guys on thee way. You need experience for this.