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Supes
October 25th, 2010
4:04 pm
Supes — so, when healthy and pitching, you think that Jurrjens could be considered to be as good as Lincecum, Halladay, Carpenter, and Wainwright (not to mention Hudson, Santana, Hamels, Oswalt, Cain)?
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Jair Jurrjens in 2009 when healthy pitched 215 innings went 14-10 (with a crappy run support) while posting an ERA of 2.60 in 34 games and had a WAR of 3.8 I’d say that’s PRETTY CLOSE!
Dumbo
October 25th, 2010
4:05 pm
Damn…DOB been a long time since I even heard the name Lou Reed , much less JJ Cale….we must be showing the age on this one
ncscoots
October 25th, 2010
4:07 pm
What, no love for Matt Harrison and Beau Jones, LOL? Or even the centerpiece of that trade, Jarrod Saltalamacchia?
So, two pieces of that trade actually made it to the bigs, two YEARS after the trade, and people still think it was a bust? Wowsah yowsah. Braveheart needs to revisit the primer on the value of present wins and future wins, I think.
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
October 25th, 2010
4:07 pm
Churchy – Ehhhhh…think I’ll pass…tyvm!!!
Joe Simpson the Great
October 25th, 2010
4:08 pm
I would rather have Craig Kimbrel than Colby Rasmus any day. Plug the hitting holes as best you can without giving up young pitching. I could not live with another season of Bob Wickman’ss and Dan Kolb’s not saving games. I would say Venters and Kimbrel are untouchable.
myra
October 25th, 2010
4:09 pm
Congrats to Francoeur and family. Its truly heaven sent for him to get this chance. Unfortunately,we didn’t have enough offense to let him be just the player he is. A natural athlete. He tried/ended up in situations where he needed to be huge and whiffed.
The Texas Rangers ARE the New model for baseball. Young and fast. No more roided hitters and no more OLD guys getting bet
However, we are now in a similar predicament as when the Tex deal went down: lots of pitching prospects and no hitters coming up. Its gonna b interesting to see. We must get power. And yet,we went and got power in TEXIERA and those boys we sent away are now going to the World Series.
It just the motha of irony.
CF. The question of 2011. CF?
GTSteve
October 25th, 2010
4:09 pm
I am with you on the 4:02 Murph
Daybed Wagmoe
October 25th, 2010
4:09 pm
TennBravesFan — I think that you answered your own question. Don’t you think that St. Louis might also view Prado as a batting title candidate over the next 10 years? So, then, why would they not be interested in trading for him?
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
October 25th, 2010
4:09 pm
Wonders how people like Churchy would’ve felt if the McGriff trade hadn’t worked out..(LOL).
Bat Masterson
October 25th, 2010
4:09 pm
I’m happy for Francoeur because he seems like a good guy. _ Shaun
Maybe he is a good guy. None the less, he’s the guy that was un-coachable, claimed the Braves had soured their relationship with him when they sent him down to work on his swing. Ripped the Braves when they traded him to the Mets, demanded a trade from the Mets, then ripped them when they obliged. A matter of perspective I suppose.
Bill
October 25th, 2010
4:10 pm
Frenchy is one lucky kid..backed into WS because Mets didn’t want him. I do wish him the best..
Giants in 7…I always pull for NL but happy for Rangers.
Rasmus he!! yes if we don’t have to give away the farm….etc
Greg Walker for hitting Coach but thats my opinion. He is one great teacher and coach. I’ve know him for 20 plus years and worked with him awhile …super all around.
Thanks for new post DOB.
RAnkiel
October 25th, 2010
4:10 pm
But… closers aren’t exactly the Hope Diamonds of the league. If trading Kimbrel means the team gets Rasmus, I say do it.
That’s what they all say until you get stuck with Bob Wickman or Dan Kolb! I wouldn’t trade Kimbrel or Venters period.
Rufio
October 25th, 2010
4:10 pm
I still wish the Braves had not given up on Jeff so early. Personally, I think Jeff made a huge mistake by not taking the package the Braves offered him that was similar to Mccann. Since then he has been trying to prove everyone wrong or showing them that he was a superstar that deserved more money. You can track his decline to that moment. Also, going behind the organizations back to the get help from the then Texas Hitting coach was the last straw.
I hope he has a great World Series and that will get him back on track. I still would love to see him in a Braves uniform again. It was nothing but a pleasure watching him play football for Parkview. If baseball does not work out the Falcons can always use some help in the secondary.
Shinnbone
October 25th, 2010
4:11 pm
DOB, just for clarification and info: Yomiuri is the official name of the team that is often referred to as the “Tokyo” Giants in English. The team is owned by Yoiuri Newspapers, and the official name is the “Yomiuri Giants.” And “Nippon Ham Fighters” is a team owned by a company called Nippon Ham. I’ve seen them called “the Ham Fighters” in English several times, but technically it is not correct. Although I do although I like the sound of that.
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 25th, 2010
4:13 pm
I think Jeff made a huge mistake by not taking the package the Braves offered him that was similar to Mccann.
We all bashed the guy for not taking the deal back when it happened! Boy I’m so glad his arrogance took over or we would be stuck with him right now.
ncscoots
October 25th, 2010
4:13 pm
seen them called “the Ham Fighters” in English several times
For some reason, a very odd synapse fires and cranks up “Kung Fu Fighting” whenever I see that.
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 25th, 2010
4:14 pm
↑↑↑ forgot to change my name RAnkiel is me ↑↑↑
justafan
October 25th, 2010
4:14 pm
Don’t trade Kimbrel period. Remember Wainwright?
The A Bomb
October 25th, 2010
4:16 pm
Here goes the Kemp talk again….
I’m glad I have followers. First mentioned it 2 months ago. Jurrjens in a package for Kemp. Hoover, Marek etc… Dodgers still need a starter.
If we deal Venters or Kimbrel we are idiots. If we deal anything but Jurrjens or prospects not named Teheran we are idiots. If we trade ANY of our guys who actually produce on offense we are idiots.
And as far as Rasmus goes, he is lefthanded. Who cares if he is from Georgia. He is NOT an offensive fit — Kemp is.
But of course I’ve been saying that since the end of August. Kemp is a monster ready to be unleashed.
Shaun
October 25th, 2010
4:16 pm
TennBravesFan, no way Infante could be the centerpiece. The Braves would have to give up at least one top 2-3 prospect and maybe more if Infante is in the deal.
Infante is 28 and has a career OPS+ of 90. Rasmus is 24 and has a career OPS+ of 110. No way you trade a 24-year-old that has been 10 percent more productive than a league-average hitter for a 28-year-old who has been 10 percent worse than a league-average hitter for his career. Yes, there is a decent chance Infante is at least a little better than that for at least another year or two but the point is that it would still be a lopsided deal unless the Braves threw in some of their top prospects.
justafan
October 25th, 2010
4:16 pm
Yes, glad Frenchy is gone for- ever!
Playoffs!!!!
October 25th, 2010
4:17 pm
First of all, is their any indication they Cards are looking to deal Rasmus. Don’t think so. They’d be better served with patching up his relationship with LaRussa. And DOB said he has pre-arb year left, plus, what, 4 yrs before free agency. Cards need to make it work.
Secondly, we don’t have anything to offer the Cardinals that wouldn’t hurt us as much as Rasmus supposedly would help us.
And lastly, all those lefty bats in the lineup at one time. Y’all vastly downplay the signifcance of that (esp. to our other lefty hitters)
David O'Brien
October 25th, 2010
4:18 pm
Shinnbone, thanks much
Bobby Hill
October 25th, 2010
4:20 pm
The attrition rate for even blue chip prospects is pretty high. The odds that all three of the Braves big three pitching prospects turn into legitimate MLB’ers is pretty low. There’s something to be said for trading prospects when their value is highest. For every Elvis Andrus, and Adam Wainwright, there’s two guys like Salty, Flowers, Lillibridge, Marte, Harrison, etc.
m
October 25th, 2010
4:21 pm
Thank god and greyhound that Bobby Cox is gone.
dap01
October 25th, 2010
4:21 pm
I am tired of hearing about Jeff Failcour. I am a Braves fan.
Crockett
October 25th, 2010
4:21 pm
I have a hard time believing the Braves will give up a bigtime pitching prospect like Teheran or young emerging pitcher like Jair or Hanson to the Cardinals for Rasmus.
After watching Wainright become a stud in a Cards uniform the last 5 years, I think with Braves would inevatibly be more cautious with the Cardinals than any other team in terms of giving away young pitching.
Couch Tater
October 25th, 2010
4:22 pm
The turf war has left a high body count. The latest casualty was Cards bullpen coach Marty Mason, an outspoken critic of the Jeff Luhnow Camp.
The battle has been raging for years. Former general manager Walt Jocketty opposed Luhnow’s ascension to player development czar midway through the previous decade, since it came at the expense of Walt’s guys.
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/article_ccf3070c-dbb0-11df-b27c-0017a4a78c22.html
Rasmus ia a Luhnow pick. I think he remains a Card.
Texas in 6.
Francoeur’ ring will sparkle on the HD, when he becomes a storied analyst like Joe Morgan, Tim McCarver, Rob Dibble…
Puma
October 25th, 2010
4:22 pm
To those that brought up Wickman and Kolb…thanks a lot, I am going to have nightmares tonight.
ncscoots
October 25th, 2010
4:24 pm
Rasmus is 24 and has a career OPS+ of 110.
Yeah, Shaun, but what was his minor league K/BB ratio, LOL?
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 25th, 2010
4:25 pm
Puma
Glad I could help!!!!
Churchy
October 25th, 2010
4:25 pm
Churchy wouldn’t have cared if the McGriff trade didn’t work out because nobody we traded in that amounted to anything.
Shaun
October 25th, 2010
4:26 pm
Rufio, Francoeur didn’t so much have a decline as much as he was misread by a couple of organizations. He was never a disciplined hitter who controlled the strikezone and this was apparent from the moment he was drafted. This continued even as he was posting 100-RBI seasons, but everyone was enthralled with his RBI totals and ignored how often he made outs, especially against right-handed pitchers.
Francoeur played everyday and was more or less the face of the franchise, or at least one of them. When people that are supposed to be smarter than you are acting for 2-3 years as if you are great when you are merely useful against lefty pitching, how are you supposed to react when they all of the sudden want you to go to the minors?
Murph
October 25th, 2010
4:27 pm
I dunno, I don’t put as much stock in a closer as I do an everyday player like Rasmus. Sure, closers are important and yes, I wanted to punch Wickman and kick Kolb… but I wanted to do a lot worse to Melky and Nate this year.
In my backwards way of thinking, having a Rasmus makes a top-tier closer less important. Hopefully the added run production means less close games while the better fielding makes sending a Venters out instead of Kimbrel less of a risky proposition.
TennesseePaul
October 25th, 2010
4:27 pm
Payne: The Dodgers probably have little motivation to trade him unless they are blown away.
Some of this could very well stem from the outcome of the court case. I believe any GM would do what it takes to keep Kemp around, but if the ruling comes out which cripples the teams finances, parting ways with Kemp my be necessary in order to fill other needs with younger, less expensive players.
Personally I’m not holding my breath for either Kemp or Rasmus. I have no idea who Wren is going to target but I fully expect to be underwhelmed.
GT Alum
October 25th, 2010
4:27 pm
I don’t see how we can trade Prado or Infante. Infante’s already the back-up plan for Chipper. Say you trade one of those guys, and Chipper figures out during ST that he can’t come back. The Braves will be scrambling to find someone who can play either 3B or 2B, and while likely either have to overpay or pick up whoever they can off the scrap heap. Either way, the offense figures to be seriously weakened.
Even if Chipper can come back, though, what are the chances he’s going to play 150 games? The only season he’s played in even 140 games since 2003 was 2009. Trading Prado or Infante to improve the OF just seems like filling one hole by creating another. We’d need another quality IF who can play 2B and 3B, and we’d likely end up paying more for someone who wouldn’t do as well.
While I would hate to part with either of them, either Kimbrel or Venters could serve as closer, although we would probably have to sign another reliever to be the set-up man. Or, we’ve got a ton of young quality starting pitchers – Vizcaino, Delgado, Tehran, Beachy, Minor, Medlen, Hanson and JJ. That’s 8 pitchers for 5 spots in the 2013 rotation. The only problem is knowing who’s going to pan out and who won’t. I’m adverse to trading JJ, just because he figures to be a big part of next year’s rotation, and, unless he becomes one of these guys who just can’t stay healthy, we’ll be selling low by trading him now.
TennesseePaul
October 25th, 2010
4:29 pm
Yeah, Shaun, but what was his minor league K/BB ratio
It actually wasn’t bad. It was better than Freeman.
Mitchell
October 25th, 2010
4:30 pm
I’m not making any predictions.
I’m just wondering, is it possible for both teams to lose?
That would great actually.
Still incredibly hard to believe that our boy Brian McCann was the first National Leaguer to get the game winning hit in the All Star Game in fourteen years, perhaps the signature moment in a season of awe inspiring debuts, jaw dropping last at-bat finishes and countless come-from-behind victories for the 2010 Atlanta Braves, and the lowly, dirt bag Giants of San Francisco are the ones who will enjoy home field advantage in the World Series.
If there was one single pitch, play, home run or base hit that would seem to have solidified the Braves as the unquestioned Team of Destiny, that was it.
You think I would learn not to fall for that crap after all this time but fall for it I did.
That was one instance where I really did get a little carried away thinking we might actually win more than one playoff game.
But win one playoff game we did. And nothing more.
I guess I’ll go with Texas.
jed
October 25th, 2010
4:31 pm
jeff francouer? some of you people have attachment disorders.
ncscoots
October 25th, 2010
4:31 pm
It actually wasn’t bad. It was better than Freeman.
It’s settled, then.
Rasmus is potential All-World.
Shaun
October 25th, 2010
4:34 pm
wjones, Infante is a decent player. Nothing more, nothing less. The Braves could survive offensively with him in the leadoff spot simply because batting order is not as important as who they’ll have batting. His .309 batting average with the Braves is based largely on balls finding holes. He’s not a guy who hits the ball with great authority, as evident by his .411 slugging with the Braves. And he doesn’t walk a lot so if balls aren’t finding holes, he’s not going to get on base, he’s just going to make outs relatively often. Still, he’s a decent player because he doesn’t strikeout a lot so he’s not costing the Braves outs in that way. He’s also versatile. But he’s basically an average player or slightly above average if you want to give him extra points for versatility. Hey, I like Infante as much as the next Braves fan. But he is who he is. I see nothing wrong with him as the everyday secondbaseman or the everyday leadoff guy, but I hope the Braves upgrade at some other positions if they are going to use Infante in those roles. For the record, I think they could upgrade enough so that Infante doesn’t harm them in the leadoff or in an everyday role.
Fred
October 25th, 2010
4:37 pm
So a good chunk of the Rangers starters came to them by way of the Braves trade for… wait for it,… Mark (0-fer-the playoffs) Texeria. Want to talk about what could-a, should-a been??
chris
October 25th, 2010
4:38 pm
jurrjens, delgado, and dunn for kemp could get it done
DS1
October 25th, 2010
4:38 pm
CB/flange1
I guess some folks don’t know that DS1 is “Da Sensitive 1″ and would only call a Gibson guitar lover “lame” in jest!
Danga
October 25th, 2010
4:41 pm
So a good chunk of the Rangers starters
If by good chunk you mean a SS and a closer.
chris
October 25th, 2010
4:41 pm
teixeria never really has carried a lineup. a guy that mashes the ball when the team is up by alot or down by alot. great defense, solid teammate that works hard, but he’s never been a guy to lead the team or been the big difference maker
Trey - 6
October 25th, 2010
4:41 pm
I can’t believe Fancoeur has the balls to walk around with that beard. It looks like s***.
myra
October 25th, 2010
4:41 pm
Question..
Is there a way to review all OF’s batting right or switch(dont we wish) in MLB? Baseball ref.?
I know every player would not be available but maybe there is someone we are not thinking about that could be traded for. Since we are hot stovinn it. Rasmus seems to b expensive, and Kemp doesnt sound good. What about Pence?
Keeper
October 25th, 2010
4:42 pm
Trade possibilities naturally get most of the denizens’ attention here, but take a look again at that list of utterly underwhelming names from the last time the Braves made the playoffs. Not sure which was more miraculous, that year or this one, but anyone who still thinks Bobby wasn’t a world-class coach … well, who cares what they think at this point. Bobby sure never did, nor will anyone at his HOF induction. Loved being at Turner to cheer on his final homestand in person, and my lasting image won’t be the SF game, but Bobby on his players’ shoulders to end the season. There will never be another like him.
Mitchell
October 25th, 2010
4:43 pm
Except all my friends in Texas are really just Cowboy fans pretending to be Rangers fans.
They don’t deserve it.
I do not get the feeling they obsess over every pitch and every game to the degree that myself and my fellow Braves bloggers do that would warrant them being rewarded with a World Series.
They haven’t suffered enough. I’d have to not talk to them anymore. I should probably just leave the country.
If only the Yankees could just win it every year. Then we could all be miserable.
I’d rather see the Yankees win five World Series in a row than watch the Giants or Phillies and perhaps the Rangers win one in the next ten.
I’d include the Mets and Cubs in that conversation but that would be ridiculous.
TennesseePaul
October 25th, 2010
4:44 pm
So a good chunk of the Rangers starters came to them by way of the Braves
“Good Chunk” Wait for it….
C Matt Treanor
1B Cantu/Moreland/Daves/Smoak/Garko
2B Ian Kinsler
SS Elvis Andrus
3B Mike Young
LF Josh Hamilton
CF Julio Borbon
RF Nelson Cruz
DH Vladimir Guerrero
Starting Pitching (min 10 starts in 2010)
C.J. Wilson
Colby Lewis
Scott Feldman
Tommy Hunter
Cliff Lee
Rich Harden
Dereck Holland
Number of starters acquired from the Braves 1.
nolie
October 25th, 2010
4:44 pm
If I knew nothing other than talent. I’d take Yunel 100 out of 100 times CraZy
me too, and I’m not a huge believer in intangibles and clubhouse camaraderie, I’ve seen too many teams win that did not have it
Puma
October 25th, 2010
4:45 pm
Wren can probably be real patient in terms of trading anyone. It will not be disaster for this team to play April and May without a new power bat in the lineup…we did win 91 games last year. Hold on to JJ see how he comes back next year, if his value is high, then you can trade him, but right now he is as low as he has ever been.
We can also see who is still not signed in Jan and Feb and maybe pick someone up in a good deal, or maybe another team offers someone arbitration a la Greg Maddux and has to trade someone to free up payroll…who knows. We are far from desperate at this point.
Shaun
October 25th, 2010
4:46 pm
TennesseePaul, I suspect the whole divorce mess isn’t going to affect things with the Dodgers as much as expected. I suspect things will get settled in a way that doesn’t hugely affect the Dodgers, although there may be some minor ramifications. However, admittedly I don’t know enough about the situation. It just seems a filthy rich guy and gal will probably find a way to not let the situation change at least that aspect of their finances (the Dodgers, I mean).
I think Wren will make a run at Rasmus but I think the odds are against a trade like that happening because Rasmus is too good at such a young age for a team like the Cardinals to part with him. I don’t know that they would go after Kemp even if he were available simply because of his contract in addition to what they’d have to give up.
TennesseePaul
October 25th, 2010
4:46 pm
I’m not a huge believer in intangibles and clubhouse camaraderie, I’ve seen too many teams win that did not have it
I don’t know about this… every time I see a team when everyone on the team appears very happy.
nolie
October 25th, 2010
4:46 pm
the more i think about it, the more ordonez is a really good fit, folks DAP
another gamble, on his age and health, and the Braves ain’t been winning them gambles all that much lately. There is no question that he was, and still is to an extent, a talented hitter.
MikeInFl
October 25th, 2010
4:48 pm
myra, try THIS.
baseballreference.com is best for most stat searches, but the kind of thing you’re looking for is easer (IMO) on ESPN. Play with the “Bats” option to break it out by righty/lefty/switch.
TennesseePaul
October 25th, 2010
4:50 pm
I suspect the whole divorce mess isn’t going to affect things with the Dodgers as much as expected
We shall see. It wasn’t supposed to have any impact on the team to date but it has.
It just seems a filthy rich guy and gal will…
First impression? “Filthy” being a label one would aptly apply to a parking lot attendant. Not necessarily to positively describe the balance sheet of Frank or Jamie.
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 25th, 2010
4:50 pm
intangibles and clubhouse camaraderie
nolie
Some teams can have so much talent the rest of the intangibles don’t matter. I believe to a team like we had this year that stuff matters. The giants are the same way! Talent is number 1 and some other things are higher on the list but somewhere on the list is chemistry. To some teams its more important than others. That’s the whole reason I said it was a good trade.
ncscoots
October 25th, 2010
4:50 pm
It will not be disaster for this team to play April and May without a new power bat in the lineup…we did win 91 games last year
Uh-oh. N8 has gotten to another poster, LOL. Sure, let’s count on having another year in which semi-scrub lineups produced eleven-ty million come-from-behinds and walk-offs, and the bullpen made so few missteps all year as to be unconscious.
Me, I think I’d rather see a slightly more traditional course: hang ‘em and bang ‘em until the pitcher’s girlfriend starts thinking about a new arrangement.
TennesseePaul
October 25th, 2010
4:51 pm
*win
McFann O O – 6
October 25th, 2010
4:55 pm
Mitchell @ 4:30—
I gotta say, I pretty much agree with that. After BMac’s Double in the All-Star Game, and then the Braves winning the Wild Card, well, how could anybody help thinking the Braves were the team of destiny?
Maybe they still were—but they did something wrongly and messed everything up. If anybody couls do it…
JKM.
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 25th, 2010
4:55 pm
2005 Chris Reitsma 15 SV / Danny Kolb 11 SV
2006 Bob Wickman 18 SV
2007 Bob Wickman 20 SV
2008 Mike Gonzalez 14 SV
2009 Rafael Soriano 27 SV / Mike Gonzalez 10 SV
2010 Billy Wagner 37 SV
Kimbrel is one of the players on the untouchable list IMO. I’m tired of playing musical closer. I’d like to see
2011 Craig Kimbrel
2012 Craig Kimbrel
2013 Craig Kimbrel
2014 Craig Kimbrel
2015 Craig Kimbrel……
…………………………………
…………………………………
Danga
October 25th, 2010
4:56 pm
The Braves were truly a dangerous team in May when Troy Glaus was the best hitter in the NL. With him mashing in the middle of the lineup I would say we were the best team in baseball. Maybe we can compensate by more subtle improvements at a few different positions, but that bruiser in the middle would be a beautiful thing.
Ed Glennon
October 25th, 2010
4:57 pm
Hire Big Cat as hitting coach. If that doesn’t work out let him play left field. He has to be better than what we had. I don’t care how old he is.
Shaun
October 25th, 2010
5:00 pm
A major league shortstop and a major league secondbaseman will still turn double plays if they hate each other. That’s more or less the way I view intangibles and clubhouse camaraderie at the major league level. I think it can be moderately helpful or harmful in extreme cases. But I don’t think the best clubhouse can add anything like 10-15 wins to a team nor do I think the worse clubhouse can cost a team 10-15 wins.
No matter what goes on in a clubhouse, major leaguers have all the incentive in the world to do everything they can to win a game and little incentive to let the clubhouse atmosphere affect their performance, especially over the last 30-40 years when ballplayers have become millionaires because of their performance on the field. I’m not saying the clubhouse atmosphere never affects performance. I think for example Bobby Cox and the Braves organization created an atmosphere that allowed players to get the most out of their abilities and skills. But I don’t think performance is affected to a large degree by clubhouse atmosphere. I think the affects are small.
Arkie
October 25th, 2010
5:02 pm
If you trade Prado, who will play third base. I think Chipper has been Great – but he will miss alot of games. JJ looked a little fat. He could be part of a possible trade. Venters looked great until he was way over used near the end of the season. Pitching seems to be all we have at the moment to trade. Be careful, some of the young arms being mentioned as trade bait will be above average pitchers. BUT – you have to score runs to win games. WREN you have problems, team speed, defense, offense – your patch work is not working. You and JS have traded our best infield and out field propects – hope you have some coming up. Be careful giving away your best young arms unless you can be sure of the return. Your record needs improving. (Do not trade Kimbrell or Venters) Go Braves.
Shaun
October 25th, 2010
5:03 pm
CraZyTRaDeMaN, there is something to be said for not using up a lot of resources on a guy that is usually only going to come in for 1 inning, to end the game, when the team is already winning. Although when you have a guy like Kimbrel who is going to be relatively cheap for a while and who is dominant, you can’t ignore that.
Puma
October 25th, 2010
5:03 pm
Scoots – I’d love to sign Werth or Crawford, but it ain’t gonna happen. I am just saying that given what we have, we don’t have to go trade our best pitching prospects right now, we can wait and even if we do break camp without a new righty bat, we are still OK. I am not saying we are the class of the division, but just that we will be OK. Maybe we can pick up this years Vlad or Burrell, who knows.
Steve McP
October 25th, 2010
5:04 pm
Frenchy is the blog’s new Ryan Freel
richbrave
October 25th, 2010
5:06 pm
O.K. DOB what did you think of SECRETARIAT?
nolie
October 25th, 2010
5:09 pm
Jair for Colby straight up. Take it or leave it Cards
guess it’ll get left then. there is no way in hell they are trading Rasmus for only an injured pitcher
chris
October 25th, 2010
5:10 pm
kimbrel is gonna be better than any closer the braves had, except for maybe wagner. kimbrel hides the ball really well. throws high 90’s and actually has the best curveball in the franchise as well. when he got his release point and control this year, he became the next bailey for the oaland a’s.
myra
October 25th, 2010
5:15 pm
Thx to MikeinFla
Ok. I say McCutchen. Give em JJ,Nate,and Dunn.
Ok not him? How bout my favorite from last year… Scott Pod to play left and leave McOut(because what else we gonna do w/him?)
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 25th, 2010
5:15 pm
Shaun
The 9th inning is just bigger and more important than just 1 inning. I’d trade a SP prospect before I’d trade Venters or Kimbrel. I remember when we traded for Reitsma to be the closer didn’t work, Kolb didn’t work Wickman was SCARY AS HELL I’d watch until the 9th then turn it off I’d figured I’d find out who won by watching SC. I know Kimbrel hasn’t proven anything yet but, dude appears to have closer stuff. There’s no way in hell I’d trade it away.
rammerjammer
October 25th, 2010
5:15 pm
Joe Strauss of the StL Post-Dispatch on Oct. 20: “I would like to get Martin Prado from the Atlanta Braves, but question whether it could happen. The Braves are among the teams with strong interest in Rasmus. Could a deal expand to include both players? It seems unlikely since Prado was arguably the Braves’ most valuable position player this season. He’s also an arbitration-eligible guy who will command significant more money than Rasmus next season. But since you asked. Whoever plays second base needs to be a plus defender. I can live with either the speedster or the big bat.”
St. Louis has pitching. Their middle infield is pathetic. Getting Prado would be huge for them. Strauss has written extensively about the Rasmus situation, the clashes with LaRussa and Rasmus’ discomfort with the clubhouse politics.
Rasmus might be high maintenance, who knows? And it would hurt to move Prado, who clearly is a LaRussa (intense) kind of guy and practically willed the Braves into contention this year. But we do have some depth there. We ain’t got jack in CF and no one in the pipeline. We really, really need an outfield bat.
This might need to get done.
nolie
October 25th, 2010
5:16 pm
Honestly I would offer Delgado as the centerpiece for Rasmus. Delgado is a top pitching prospect
that ain’t working either. they are not trading one of the best CFers aroung who is still dirt cheap for an unproven A or AA pitcher who would be little help for a couple of years most likely.
unbelievable
October 25th, 2010
5:17 pm
I dont see why the Braves would move Prado in a deal for Rasmus. Prado is the best RH everyday player that the Braves have. They need to be dealing from the pitching depth in order to improve on offense. Dont see how DOB’s proposal helps the Braves, its just creating more holes
Prado .307/.350/.459 + Venters (possible closer) + #3 prospect Vizcaino for Rasmus .276/.361/.498 is definitely overpaying. Its also making us more LH heavy
Alan 10
October 25th, 2010
5:19 pm
Lets don’t give away the farm again as we did in the Texira deal, gee’s we stocked Texas for years to come.
richbrave
October 25th, 2010
5:19 pm
COLBY RASMUS and JOHNNY DAMON works for me. DIAZ, ANKIEL gone. YOUNG the fifth outfielder if there is a fifth outfielder. WES TIMMONS given a legitimate shot in ST at CONNIE’s slot.
I see RICK A has a $500,000 mutual option for this next season. If the BRAVES make a move, and let ANKIEL go, do they own RICK half-a-mill.? His salary $2.75 million for 2010. MATT D $2.550,000. Is that $5,30 toward DAMON’s salary or $3.050, or what?
VaBravesFan
October 25th, 2010
5:20 pm
I think the Braves seriously need to look into Rasmus or Kemp. They seem to be the most talked about Outfielders that could be traded. We’ll have to wait longer to get some more names and possible options to supply power in the lineup.
If Jurrjens was never injured and performed like he did in 2009 his trade value would be very high. But honeslty no he’s more valuble to us right now. I always seen him kinda like Odalis Perez but way better. We traded him, Brian Jordan, mid prospect for 2 season’s of Sheffield. Let JJ regain his form this season and see how Huddy,Lowe are holding up and how the kids are doing in the minors. We have a few years to trade him if we decide to go that route.
myra
October 25th, 2010
5:20 pm
No way on Prado.eva. Its Infante.
VaBravesFan
October 25th, 2010
5:21 pm
richbrave
Ankiel has a 6 million option for next year. with a 500k buyout.
nolie
October 25th, 2010
5:21 pm
Prado’s going to have better stats than he did this year Frank
I’ve been hyping Prado since he was in AAA, but I think what we saw the last two years is about as good as he will get
unbelievable
October 25th, 2010
5:22 pm
the only player that the Braves are truly missing from the Tex deal is Feliz. Andrus is slugging .301 this season with a .643OPS, he’s still young but thats flat out awful. He wouldnt be helping this offense at all
Soph
October 25th, 2010
5:23 pm
Well, it’s good enough for me.
richbrave
October 25th, 2010
5:23 pm
Activon
CB
October 25th, 2010
5:25 pm
Soph,I thought of you when they started talking about trading Marteeen.
unbelievable
October 25th, 2010
5:25 pm
Prado is going to keep giving you exactly what he has the last three years, his slg should go up a little, but a slash line of .310/.360/.465 from 2B is pretty darn good. There’s nothing about his approach that says he’ll have a dropoff
Shaun
October 25th, 2010
5:25 pm
CraZyTRaDeMaN, Reitsma, Kolb and Wickman were just not all that good. I wouldn’t want to trade Kimbrel simply because he is dominant; it really has little to do with when he pitches. If it were Rasmus straight up for Kimbrel, maybe I consider it, but I think the Cardinals would want more and I don’t think Rasmus is worth that much more.
RHR
October 25th, 2010
5:26 pm
His mom has a tattoo that says “mixup at the hospital.”
He is the death of parites he has never attended.
If he were to punch you in the face, he’d miss.
He is…Jeff Francoeur. The least interesting man in the world.
CB
October 25th, 2010
5:27 pm
richbrave,if I recall correctly,Royals sent buyout money for Ankiel and Farnsworth in the trade.
richbrave
October 25th, 2010
5:27 pm
No way we sign ANKIEL for 6 big ones. So we pay him 500K, and say thanks for the homer by the bay, the outfield assists, and have a nice life.
RHR
October 25th, 2010
5:27 pm
I’ve never wanted the Rangers to lose more, by the way. Thanks, DOB.
richbrave
October 25th, 2010
5:28 pm
ROYALS sent along the buyout bread?…………SWEET!!!!!!!
Soph
October 25th, 2010
5:29 pm
CB – ugh, how dare they? My guy’s not going anywhere.
richbrave
October 25th, 2010
5:30 pm
Grecian Forrmula
Tomas
October 25th, 2010
5:31 pm
Playoffs!!!!, no doubt he is the best lefty reliever, Everyday Johnny is awesome, I’m just saying that I think Kimbrel will be better.
richbrave
October 25th, 2010
5:31 pm
Just for Men.
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 25th, 2010
5:32 pm
I wouldn’t want to trade Kimbrel simply because he is dominant
I agree! But to have a guy you can depend on to close out games year after year makes life much easier. Just ask the Yankees.