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MIBravesFan
October 28th, 2010
12:04 am
If the Giants were looking for a hitting coach, Barry might have a shot, but at least for the moment, I’m assuming they’re not.
Venice Jim
October 28th, 2010
12:04 am
What type of scent is involved in “ascention”?
Tom O'Hawke
October 28th, 2010
12:05 am
No typo, JimmyMac, I simply misspelled it. (yeah, you’ll see it, I hate you sometimes)
Tom O'Hawke
October 28th, 2010
12:06 am
Oops, I clicked “submit” a hair too late, damn it.
Brave4life
October 28th, 2010
12:16 am
If the Giants win the world series I will be killing myself over the loss of Chipper and Prado during the season.
richbrave
October 28th, 2010
12:22 am
TOM O’:
That you? Been playing some smooth grooves this evening, BONEY JAMES, SOUL BALLET, EUGE GROOVE, PAUL JACKSON Jr.,PAUL TAYLOR, and RICHARD ELLIOTT. Do you like that type of music?
Tom O'Hawke
October 28th, 2010
12:23 am
I will be killing myself…. — (Brave4life)
Before you go, can we have a “good-bye” party. There are several here that can supply the BB food, BAS will supply the whiskey, nolie will supply the wit, … the list will grow
I love parties.
richbrave
October 28th, 2010
12:23 am
Sorry TOM:
Duty calls.
Tom O'Hawke
October 28th, 2010
12:29 am
Hey, richbrave, nice to see you. I thought you had departed for the night.
Yes, I love the music of Boney James and the late Chris Elliott. I used to play the sax. I’m sure I’d like, or DO like the others that you mentioned, but I’m not familiar with them by name.
McFann O O – 6
October 28th, 2010
12:31 am
Tom O’Hawke Thanks, McFann (does anyone remember what I said @ 9:38?)…Just kiddin’, young lady.
Night (morning), all! Prayers go out to The professor!
Tom O'Hawke
October 28th, 2010
12:32 am
Sorry TOM:
Duty calls. — (richbrave)
So, what do I do now? Should I repost this when he’s done with his duty?
McFann O O – 6
October 28th, 2010
12:34 am
Got my capital letters mixed up on that one…my apologies.
Tom O'Hawke
October 28th, 2010
12:34 am
‘Night McFann
Wow, 12:30, now. You’re getting older by the day, my young friend.
Tom O'Hawke
October 28th, 2010
12:36 am
Man, I just caught that McFann…. is Pete having an operation or something (worse)?
MIBravesFan
October 28th, 2010
12:41 am
“Soph
October 27th, 2010
12:35 pm
Sad. Get well soon, Pete!
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101027&content_id=15858040&vkey=news -”
Sorry I didn’t get the full link there. It’s on the Braves’ website.
noleeeee
October 28th, 2010
12:42 am
maybe we’re praying about Moe’s move to Norman???
noleeeee
October 28th, 2010
12:45 am
ok I second those prayers McF. Pete was always my favorite by far of all Braves announcers.
MIBravesFan
October 28th, 2010
12:45 am
Just using Pete’s “Professor” nickname, nolie.
Tom O'Hawke
October 28th, 2010
12:45 am
MIBravesFan
Thank you. I had no idea. As McFann said, prayers for the professor.
noleeeee
October 28th, 2010
12:46 am
Can the Giants do it ?
Ray Parker Jr.
October 28th, 2010
12:53 am
Is Heyward our LeBron? Translation: he is a star but can’t come through in the clutch.
Yes? No?
Tom O'Hawke
October 28th, 2010
12:54 am
Ya know, it’s weird. I’ve never met Mr. Van Wieren, but when you hear this kind of news, it hits you as if it’s an old friend.
nolie, are you nolie, or noleeee? More importantly, which one of you two is the piece of work?
MIBravesFan
October 28th, 2010
12:58 am
“noleeeee
October 28th, 2010
12:46 am
Can the Giants do it ?”
Yes, if Cain pitches much better than “Puff” did in Game 1 and their bullpen does, too, and their offense can continue to score some runs. I doubt they ever hit anything near tonight’s number again – if they get into a run-scoring shoot-out with the Rangers, over the course of the series that will not end well for them.
MIBravesFan
October 28th, 2010
1:06 am
“Tom O’Hawke
October 28th, 2010
12:54 am
Ya know, it’s weird. I’ve never met Mr. Van Wieren, but when you hear this kind of news, it hits you as if it’s an old friend.
nolie, are you nolie, or noleeee? More importantly, which one of you two is the piece of work?”
I assumed it was nolie trying to change the subject, but I could be wrong.
I know exactly what you mean about the Professor. As Braves fans, we’ve spent a lot of time listening to and watching him and Skip over many years. That’s why it seems okay to call him Pete, even when he’s such an intelligent and dignified gentleman, which is where I think the Professor nickname came from.
nolie
October 28th, 2010
1:12 am
the moniker depends on which browser I use Tom, we are all a p o w
Harmon
October 28th, 2010
1:12 am
Chronic Chipper should just retire already.
nolie
October 28th, 2010
1:15 am
I have a lot of problems with this site refreshing so sometimes I use Firefox, sometimes Chrome and even IE once in a while. often have more than one open at the same time. still likes to lose the page or take forever to refresh
nolie
October 28th, 2010
1:15 am
no he shouldn’t
Tom O'Hawke
October 28th, 2010
1:18 am
MIBravesFan
Well said!
As far as, I assumed it was nolie trying to change the subject, but I could be wrong.
I’d say it was more of a collaboration. You have to deal with the serious stuff, but it’s also good to move away.
brian
October 28th, 2010
1:20 am
I will definitely pray for Pete. He was incredible as an announcer. His son went to my high school and I remember in 9th grade watching a varsity basketball game with Pete (we all surrounded him). As I was JV, I had to keep stats for the varsity. At any point in the game he could tell us points, rebounds, assists for any player and he was right on. All the Hawk’s games, etc, he just got used to keeping the stats in his head.
Pete was always so at ease and cool with all of us who said hi to him every chance we got. Beat the cancer Pete!!
MIBravesFan
October 28th, 2010
1:21 am
Thanks Tom
brian
October 28th, 2010
1:22 am
MIBravesFan – he was Mr. Van Wieren when we were with him. Pete or the Professor when we were not face to face
MIBravesFan
October 28th, 2010
1:27 am
“brian
October 28th, 2010
1:22 am
MIBravesFan – he was Mr. Van Wieren when we were with him. Pete or the Professor when we were not face to face”
I would definitely call him Mr. Van Wieren if I met him, believe me.
Mike S
October 28th, 2010
1:30 am
DOB, you a fan of Metric? Thinking about seeing them at the Tabernacle Thursday night. I saw them open up for Muse last weekend in NY and they rocked. Anxious to see them do a longer set. And their lead singer ain’t hard to look at either…
Tom O'Hawke
October 28th, 2010
1:31 am
I would definitely call him Mr. Van Wieren if I met him, believe me.
So would I, and I betcha the first thing he would say is, “call me Pete”.
MIBravesFan
October 28th, 2010
1:33 am
“Tom O’Hawke
October 28th, 2010
1:31 am
I would definitely call him Mr. Van Wieren if I met him, believe me.
So would I, and I betcha the first thing he would say is, “call me Pete”.
I bet you’re right!
MIBravesFan
October 28th, 2010
1:44 am
Good night, everyone. Take care.
Tom O'Hawke
October 28th, 2010
1:48 am
I bet you’re right!
MIBravesFan, Well, let’s hope that someday we get the chance to prove that!
Tom O'Hawke
October 28th, 2010
1:49 am
‘night in Michigan.
John in NY
October 28th, 2010
7:54 am
Barry Bonds wants to be a hitting coach. I know this would be controversial for the Braves but Bonds was a great hitter as well. PEDs didn’t teach Bonds how to hit, he could already do that. Thoughts?
Fred
October 28th, 2010
8:10 am
John in NY, I can’t imagine any scenario where the Braves would hire Bonds as hitting coach. Don’t forget a guy named Hank Aaron works in the Braves front office. Bonds also has those pesky legal charges to address.
GTSteve
October 28th, 2010
9:27 am
No to Barroid for hitting coach…besides all the normal reasons, just because a guy can hit does not mean that he can help others do the same…usually the best coaches are players that couldn’t do….they had the knowledge and the concept but not the God given ability
Moe Berg
October 28th, 2010
9:55 am
Phillies plans for RF (according to MLBTR), could include a certain former Brave/Met and current Ranger:
Phillies Notes: Werth & Manuel
By Mike Axisa [October 27 at 9:43pm CST]
Phillies manager Charlie Manuel provided a look into the team’s offseason plans on 610-WIP and David Murphy of The Philadelphia Daily News passes along the details. Let’s round them up…
“I think we definitely have some money to spend,” said Manuel when asked about the possibility of retaining Jayson Werth. “But at the same time, the problem is, length-wise of a contract, and also what direction we want to go in.”
Manuel said he believes they can develop a top-notch hitter, presumably referring to top prospect Domonic Brown, allowing them to target high-end pitchers during the offseason.
Reporters floated the idea of a rightfield platoon if Werth departs, and Manuel acknowledged that possibility. Murphy says not to be surprised if they target a lesser righthanded bat like Jeff Francoeur or Matt Diaz to pair up with Brown or Ross Gload. Ben Francisco could also be an internal option in this scenario.
“I think [GM Ruben Amaro Jr.]’s got a lot on his plate as far as which way he wants to go in getting it done,” said Manuel. “But I think he can. Evidently he definitely still wants to negotiate with Werth. It sounds like he’s going to talk to Scott Boras, his agent, and things. That’s definitely the first priority. And then that will lead us into which way he wants to take our team.”
As for his own contract, which is up after next season, Manuel indicated that Amaro told him they’d speak this fall, probably before Christmas.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/10/phillies-notes-werth-manuel.html
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 28th, 2010
10:02 am
If were unable to acquire a big bat the Barry for hitting coach really wouldn’t be a bad idea. He was able to hide the HGH / Steroid use pretty effectively for years in SF. So with his connections there might be a few hitters in our lineup he could turn into monsters.
Pameeee
October 28th, 2010
10:02 am
It seems most scouts and managers see that Francoeur can hit the ball but just won’t listen and use plate discipline. If someone, maybe Philly can pound some sense into his head he will be okay. He is his own worse enemy.
Hey! Kudos to the Giants on knocking out Cliff Lee. I know that pitchers are not really unhittable but I can say that the Giants have knocked off all the Big Boys this season. They have had a season that they and their fans can be proud of this year.
Mutts
October 28th, 2010
10:11 am
Francoeur in Philadelphia would be a disaster. As soon as Jeff started slumping, the City of Brotherly Love would make his life a living hell. Francouer is a good guy and he deserves better than being ripped to shreds by the mongrels that are many Phillies fans.
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 28th, 2010
10:22 am
Jeff needs to play in cities like Kansas City. Fans don’t care how good you play (ZERO pressure). Plus you have a good chance at the end of the year to be traded to a contender as a 4th outfielder.
GTSteve
October 28th, 2010
10:22 am
@Crazy trade….yeah can you imagine Prado and Infante hitting 40 bombs a year…and Jhey hitting 80….at that rate he might get Nate back into double figures for dingers…lol
David O'Brien
October 28th, 2010
10:30 am
Mike S: I don’t know their music, so can’t give an opinion. By the way, Jason Isbell and Langhorne Slim are in Atlanta tonight.
Gary O
October 28th, 2010
10:32 am
I didn’t realize Brooks Conrad was playing RF for the Texas rangers last night.
Billy
October 28th, 2010
10:33 am
I would put Francoeur in LF in the Braves lineup
2B Prado
CF Rasmus
3B Chipper
RF Heyward
C Mac
LF Francoeur
1B Freddie
SS AG
Lew
October 28th, 2010
10:52 am
The Phillies getting Francoeur? Sounds like a subtle form of psychological warfare the Phillies are using so we run out and sign Frenchy.
They’re not going to get Werth AND get top of the line pitching – not without spending like the Yankees or Red Sox. Not sure how sustainable that kind of payroll will be for them – first time they fail to make the playoffs, their attendance goes down the drain.
If Frenchy does play for the Philies, he’ll have to go out to right dressed in plastic like Gallagher the first time he hits a slump. NO telling what substances might be thrown at him from the stands.
raleighbravefan
October 28th, 2010
10:55 am
Gary O – @10:32 FUNNY!
Murph
October 28th, 2010
10:56 am
I went to a Phillies game once in Philly, wore my Braves hat, and had 2 old lady season ticket holders in front of me calling me every name in the book. They were in their 70’s!
Frenchy in Philly would never work. The old ladies would eat him alive, let alone what the drunken wannabe mobsters would do to him.
So… I hope it happens. He’ll hit .230 for them with 15 HR and will become the target of every Philly newscaster and old lady within weeks. If they can’t knock him down a notch or two, no one can.
raleighbravefan
October 28th, 2010
10:59 am
Considering the grief Frenchy got as a home town hero an a civil Southern city, just think what he would receive from the Phillie fans, where they boo Santa Clause, and intentionally throw up on children.
raleighbravefan
October 28th, 2010
11:01 am
BTW, where are the trolls. They’re not trash talking anymore. They are just trash, period.
Lew
October 28th, 2010
11:03 am
raleighbraves- Maybe they’re finding out that just making it to the Division Title or being in the playoffs doesn’t guarantee a trip to the series – much less winning it every time. Of course, we could have told them as much, but no one ever listens.
Lew
October 28th, 2010
11:04 am
I guess since they didn’t have Bobby Cox, they figured it couldn’t happen to them.
raleighbravefan
October 28th, 2010
11:13 am
. Don, Mitchell, Robert, NO MORE BOBBY, et al – How could the Phillies, the best team in baseball, with the best 3 starters in baseball, again, HOW COULD THEY LOOSE TO SF, AND LOOK BAD DOIN SO???? Manuel MUST be a terrible manager, who doesn’t teach his players patience, making contact, etc., etc. while batting. But then, Howard was TOO patient. Makes no sense. I would immediately fire Manuel and hire a manager who knows what he is doing, because we know from the Braves experience that the best team should ALWAYS win in a post season series, unless the manager is a dumba$$. Right? When you finish answering that, let’s talk about the Rays and Yankees.
GTSteve
October 28th, 2010
11:14 am
I for one can’t wait until the monster contracts that they have given their aging stars starts to handcuff them financially.
raleighbravefan
October 28th, 2010
11:19 am
I would fire Chally, because we know that the best team should always win, unless it is the manager’s fault. Obviously, Manuel doesn’t know what he is doing. Right, Don (Mitchell, Robert, NO MORE BOBBY, et al) What other explaination is there than that Chally doesn’t teach his players the fundamendals of hitting, RIGHT? After you answer that, let’s talk about the Rays and Yankees.
Don’t say that Bobby had 15 chances, because thast just proves that he was a great manager for getting them there 15 times. I’ll be waiting for your reply.
LTBF
October 28th, 2010
11:20 am
Good morning all
What happened to Lee? Guess even he can have a bad night. Hope Rangers can get a win tonight.
raleighbravefan
October 28th, 2010
11:21 am
GT Steve – It has already started. Thast’s why they traded Lee, and they won’t re-sign Werth. Just wait until attendence drops back to pre-2007 levels because they don’t make it to the WS every year.
LTBF
October 28th, 2010
11:26 am
I just looked at poll on who should stay and who should go. I am SHOCKED that 25% of us said Chipper should go. Chipper is a Brave and hopefully will be one untill HE desides to hang them up on his terms, hope he can come back and have a really good year.
DC Brave
October 28th, 2010
11:41 am
I came up with this idea while reading on one of the other AJC blogs. I have the Brave’s path to the World Series all figured out:
OK, here is my plan.
1. Ask Chipper if he can possibly live off $1 million a year for the next 28 years (with adjustments for inflation)….or $2 million for the next 14.
2. Sign Carl Crawford.
3. Trade JJ and one of the Double AA prospect pitchers for Rasmus.
4. Buy Braves NL Champion T-shirts at the end of the 2011 season.
Lew
October 28th, 2010
11:41 am
LTBF-I wouldn’t worry. That guaranteed contract pretty much guarantees he get’s to make the call.
Lew
October 28th, 2010
11:42 am
DC Brave-You sure that wasn’t an opium dream or something?
unbelievable
October 28th, 2010
11:49 am
I would put Francoeur in LF in the Braves lineup – Billy
why? Jeff still sucks. This team needs good players not another abundance of 4th OF type guys. We had 5 4th OF’rs last year, we really dont need to go through that again
LTBF
October 28th, 2010
11:49 am
Back later, Hope you still doing well Lew.
Infante for President
October 28th, 2010
11:50 am
DOB: Thanks for the info about Barbaro. Too bad that he won’t get a chance with the Braves– I can’t imagine they’d bring him up to be a bad defensive backup to Freddie. I’d think he would want to move to another organization that doesn’t have such a clear hot young guy in the queue ahead of him.
Crazy game last night for a Lee-Lincecum matchup..
DC Brave
October 28th, 2010
11:50 am
Lew – negative brother. That is not even legal in San Francisco…yet.
Stan Kasten used to be the master of the deferment bargaining chip when he was Pres in ATL. Deferments do happen.
Just seems to me that if Chipper wants to play on the big stage he might be interested in choosing the “annuity” option rather than the lump sum on his next 2 lottery tickets.
Given our ownership situation, that is about all we can hope for.
unbelievable
October 28th, 2010
11:55 am
reminder: The Braves played the Giants to four 1-run games in the division series – DOB
who cares, Braves are sitting at home
Lew
October 28th, 2010
12:01 pm
DCBrave-The only way that they could re-negotiate Chipper’s contract (two ways, actually) is 1. If he decides to retire and that ain’t happening and 2. If they converted option years to guaranteed years and guess what? They ain’t doing that, either.
Legal opium or not, that one won’t fly.
Lew
October 28th, 2010
12:03 pm
LTBF-I am doing well, thanks. Got XRayed again on Tuesday and even now that I’m walking over a mile a day, it’s still completely healed. Gained back 2/3 of the weight I’d lost, though. Got to get working on that now.
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 28th, 2010
12:07 pm
DC If you trade away JJ what would your SP rotation be?
coach joe
October 28th, 2010
12:11 pm
DOB: even if Chipper would defer most of his salary(not saying he should), doesn’t the entire amount due in 2011 (14 million?) still count towards next years pay-roll.?? confused?
Hillbilly
October 28th, 2010
12:12 pm
DC If you trade away JJ what would your SP rotation be?
Scary.
Hillbilly
October 28th, 2010
12:13 pm
And I’m not talking about scary-good. I’m talking about scary-shallow.
HuffBraves
October 28th, 2010
12:19 pm
Just saw Berkman’s option was declined. He’s declined pretty steeply in recent years, but maybe an option for LF?
DC Brave
October 28th, 2010
12:20 pm
Crazy – Huddy, DLowe, Tommy, Beachy, and Minor.
I’m just saying…the Buck Commander wants to go out winning meaningful games. He has to know the only way he can get there is if the Braves keep the pen strong and find somebody that can play CF. No more reclamation projects. No more possible comeback player of the year candidates.
We need to find a way to bring in one more horse.
I love watching Chipper Jones play…always have. I want to see him finish his career with an October walkoff. But how is that possible with the holes we have in LF and CF?
MikeInFl
October 28th, 2010
12:22 pm
If the Braves need to put Chipper’s salary on a payment plan, I think Liberty could find a way to borrow the money, rather than us going hat in hand to Chipper.
Obviously, I don’t think it’s a good idea. Pay the player what you contracted to pay him.
DC Brave
October 28th, 2010
12:23 pm
You know the saying is “nothing ventured, nothing gained” so the question, with the Braves budget, becomes one of where we want to assume risk?
Assume too much risk in the bull pen and you won’t be playing in the fall.
Assume too much risk with your offense and you’ll lose 4 games by 1 run in the wild card race.
My main point is that I think Beachy and Minor as our 4th and 5th starters would constitute a lower acceptance of risk than another year with rotating left and centerfielders.
unbelievable
October 28th, 2010
12:24 pm
Huff Brave – Id like Lance’s bat but he’d look like Vlad did last night in the OF. I dont think he’s played the OF since 2006
richbrave
October 28th, 2010
12:25 pm
Where did DOB post anything regarding CANIZARES? That’s a must read.
DC Brave
October 28th, 2010
12:25 pm
MikeInFL…of course you pay what you are contracted to pay…but sometimes, and Chipper has done this before…players decide to initiate a discussion to defer based on their desire to win.
DC Brave
October 28th, 2010
12:26 pm
rich, I think it was on page 16 of the blog. basically said everyone thinks the kid is a good 4A player. must hurt to be a guy who gets tagged with that one….
richbrave
October 28th, 2010
12:27 pm
Lew
October 28th, 2010
12:03 pm
LTBF-I am doing well, thanks. Got XRayed again on Tuesday and even now that I’m walking over a mile a day, it’s still completely healed. Gained back 2/3 of the weight I’d lost, though. Got to get working on that now.
Good to see you back on your feet. Keep those legs workin’.
O-Brave
October 28th, 2010
12:28 pm
yeah…we shouldn’t take Chipper’s money. We should just ask if he’d like to spread it out over a few more years for the benefit of the team.
David O'Brien
October 28th, 2010
12:29 pm
coach joe: if chipper deferred salary, the amount would count however the Braves’ accountants wanted it to count, at least for their purposes.
And really, their accounting is all that matters, since there is no salary cap and since they are going to set their own payroll and follow whatever accounting policies they want to follow; in other words, if they want to amortize the amount over the total number of years, or prorate signing bonuses, etc., there is no hard-and-fast set of rules on how to tabulate payroll.
That’s why, when payroll amounts are given by other groups and computed by us in the media, while those figures are interesting to use comparing teams, really don’t matter in the end. All that matters is what the team comes up with and what there they set their payroll. If they wanted to defer $10 mill of Chipper’s money and he agreed to do it (players union would probably ask that he get interest on the money), then the Braves could count it all in the year they pay him or amortize it over the total number of years the team is paying him, or somewhere between. There are no rules when it comes to how the team wants to do its own accounting.
I would add that teams remember what happened when Arizona deferred several big salaries years ago for Randy Johnson and others. When attendance fell off after their World Series year, the team almost went bankrupt when it was time to pay off those deferred salaries. Not saying the Braves’ situation could be comparable, but teams generally don’t like deferring salary to the future and taking away future payroll flexibility. There are exceptions when necessary.
MikeInFl
October 28th, 2010
12:31 pm
Because we’ll have unlimited funds in 2013, 14, 15, etc., I guess?
I get the idea. Not the way to run a railroad, IMO. Don’t want to be paying for Chipper’s 2011 season five years from now.
GTSteve
October 28th, 2010
12:32 pm
If Chipper was going to do any negotiating to help win, he would have done it this year for Bobby…of course when the deadlines passed…the Braves really didnt need any help…they just needed the injuries to not happen…and those moths to not eat holes in Conrads glove
McFann O O – 6
October 28th, 2010
12:34 pm
Tom O’Hawke Wow, 12:30, now. You’re getting older by the day, my young friend.
Thanks a lot!
Nah, it’s no sweat—I work in twelve hour shifts. 
McFann O O – 6
October 28th, 2010
12:35 pm
And yeah, that’s really sad about The Professor. Hope all goes well for him.
Steve from OH
October 28th, 2010
12:45 pm
Francoeur’s only value, to me, is as a platoon partner playing only against lefties. He’s pretty useful against them and is a decent defender in RF. However, no sane person should allow him to play every day or get anywhere near 500 AB.
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 28th, 2010
12:51 pm
What if Minor is no better than Jojo or Chuck James and Beachy is no better than Charlie Morton?
Just sayin?!?!?! Hudson, Lowe and Hanson can’t be described as a three headed monster like Halladay Oswalt and Hamels. We can’t afford for our 4 and 5 to be rookie pitchers. I’d rather trade away prospects than a proven pitcher like JJ.
David O'Brien
October 28th, 2010
12:53 pm
Anybody recall what happened 15 years ago today?
….
Braves won the World Series. Tom Glavine and Mark Wohlers combined on a 1-hit shutout as Braves beat Cleveland 1-0 in Game 6 to take the Series.
962436
October 28th, 2010
12:56 pm
Happy Birthday to Nate McLouth!
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 28th, 2010
12:57 pm
Braves won the World Series
And it required Glavine to pitch a SHUTOUT in the final game for Cox to even be able to win the 1 championship. Bobby’s finally gone now so let the championships rain upon us!!!!!
GTSteve
October 28th, 2010
1:03 pm
Braves pitching was lights out in that series….against a very good lineup
richbrave
October 28th, 2010
1:04 pm
Thanx D.C.