2:22 pm October 25, 2010, by David O'Brien
October 27th, 20104:02 pm
Raleigh: all evidence to the contrary.
What does it say to you that of the Big Three, only Glavine was a Brave draft pick. What does it say to you that in 20 years, the only positional players the Braves have drafted /signed and developed that would be considered PERENNIAL All Stars (not HOF’s) are:
McCann (MAYBE, as his position has taxed him greatly)
Truthfully, we all know that the concept of the dynastic Braves was built on the backs of The Big Three – and little else that was homegrown.
Simply put, the Braves are not good at drafting positional players. The last 20 years proves that – beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Thank goodness for free agency and shrewd trades by JS. Those days seem very far away.
October 27th, 20104:04 pm
Wren has to get off his as_ and get better at player development / drafting at the positional level.
Aren’t you one of those guys who touts the Marlins as draft-savvy? Wren was there 91-98.
Have the Braves drafted any position players since ‘99 that were any good? McCann, Prado, Heyward, Freeman, like that? Wren was assistant GM in charge of player personnel for all those.
MiaBch – Totally agree that we need to get younger, cheaper, and faster.
Bradley’s great article (and I rarely say that about Bradley) on the Tex trade revisited should keep your blood from boiling. Feliz and Andrus were both at a low level, and hard to know how good they would become. Also, we were strong at both positions, as we were with Salty as well. How much are we missing Salty right now? Other two could have easily been the same way.
Wren has steadily improved this team overall every year. I look for him to continue to do so. Injuries were the biggest problem this year. Also, McLouth and Melky were busts. Overall, a pretty good team under the circumstances.
October 27th, 20104:06 pm
I could definitely live with Ellsbury at the top of our lineup, even if it means watching a McCann or CJ platoon in that cleanup spot. That guy has big time speed and it also allows Prado to move to the 2 spot where he took off in the first place. I definitely see Heyward the #3 hitter regardless of who they end up getting.
October 27th, 20104:09 pm
Mike if FL
The Braves were 5th in the NL is runs. 3rd in errors. We definitely need to upgrade the offense, but the era of every player in the lineup being a slugger is over. You may not want to hear it, but defense and fundamnetals are very important. We’re trying to win games, not ESPN highlights.
October 27th, 20104:11 pm
Prado is a good player at several positions (including LF, which might just be somewhere to put him?), hits .300 with some decent power and will not be extraordinarily expensive for another three seasons. These are facts that no one in their right mind will dispute.
Now, the goal is to make the team stronger. Answer this – who do you truly believe Prado would bring in a trade considering all he brings to the table – that would be better enough than Martin to not only replace him adequately, but to also improve the team above and beyond?
Prado won’ t be traded. However, what they MIGHT do is to try to get a good 2b – someone who can hit and field well – and move Martin to LF.
October 27th, 20104:13 pm
You may not want to hear it, but defense and fundamnetals are very important
No one said they were unimportant, at all. What some of us are saying is that a focus on defense this offseason would ignore the elephant in the room.
Oh, and “fundamentals” are not a synonym for the speedy, small-ball, manufacture-runs thing some folks here are talking about. Entirely different animal. Don’t know if you meant it that way or not.
If we got someone like Uggla, I’d be more than fine moving Prado to LF.
October 27th, 20104:15 pm
Uggla better than Prado? Overall? Really/ Not.
October 27th, 20104:16 pm
MiaBch – The Braves have drafted quite a few to line and second line pitchers not named Maddox or Smoltz. No body builds their team totally with the draft, BTW.
Braves have also not been a total bust with position players. In addition to the guys you named, David Justice and Ron Gant come to mind without even thinking about it. Also, what position players have we obtained through trades because of players we drafted. Just because they didn’t play significantly for us, doesn’t mean that we haven’t benefited fgrom guys we drafted. We did draft Andrus, Feliz, and Salty, for example.
Braves are considered almost universally to be one of the best organizations over the past 20+ years, by people who know what they are talking about. Scouting, and olayer development are large parts of that.
October 27th, 20104:17 pm
Also Wainright. Shall I go on?
Owl-Not so sure Uggla would be the one or that he’s really good enough defensively. Wouldn’t mind his power, but I’m kind of doubting he’ll even be available. The Marlins are at the end of their leash on playing their salary games.
I would put Uggla in LF if we got him not Prado.
October 27th, 20104:19 pm
I’m using fundamentals as a general term. I don’t deny that we need offense, but going out and getting “mashers” is usually just a band aid. We’re probably not going to find a 30hr guy this offseason, but if we can upgrade at all, and address other shortcomings, this team can go far. By the way, how are the Giants doing? They don’t exactly have a Murderer’s Row.
October 27th, 20104:20 pm
I wasn’t saying give up Prado for Uggla, but I’d love to have both.
October 27th, 20104:21 pm
I meant having both of them on the Braves, too.
October 27th, 20104:23 pm
Uggla has probably never played a single inning in the OF, and he doesn’t strike me as being so athletic that he could just pick it right up.
It probably would be better to put Uggla in left, actually. I know that we won’t be getting him, I was just trying to think of guys who I’d move Prado (on the field, not from the team) for.
Mike in FL,
Also, there were a lot of balls that our CF and LF did not get to, so although they weren’t errors, a better fielder might have been able to turn them into outs. Or turning it into a long single, instead of a double.
My biggest concern with Ellsbury is he is left handed. That would give us 5 LH in our lineup (Ellsbury, Heyward, Brian, Nate, and Freeman).
October 27th, 20104:24 pm
I was treated for clinical depression after watching Melky in the field.
October 27th, 20104:26 pm
704_Brave, no baseball player is ever immune to injury. ordonez may get hurt or he may not, but one thing is for sure: he wont hit like glaus or anderson. hes better than that.
October 27th, 20104:27 pm
the ground was treated for a podiatral depression after melky walked on it
By the way, how are the Giants doing? They don’t exactly have a Murderer’s Row.
No offense, but how the Giants are doing in the 2010 postseason has absolutely zero to do with a Braves’ strategy to improve their club.
BTW, how are those Mariners and Bosox doing? Seems to me that they were the poster children last offseason for defensive improvement as an overall strategy.
See, that kind of thing doesn’t make much sense, does it, LOL?
October 27th, 20104:31 pm
Problem moving Prado to LF is that I highly doubt there would be any available 2nd baseman out there that could not only play the D he does at 2nd, but also hit like he does. For a 2nd baseman, Prado is right up there at the top of best hitting 2nd baseman in the league.
DAP – I agree he is better than that when healthy, but when you’re 37 that a big if…
Don’t know about the Mariners, but it might have worked a little better in Boston had they stayed healthy enough to play at all, much less play better defensively, or if their pitching had actually held up.
October 27th, 20104:32 pm
My biggest concern with Ellsbury is he is left handed.
I dunno, a bigger concern might be that Epstein is already on record, definitively, that Ellsbury won’t be traded.
You’re right he hasn’t played any OF in the majors. He’s played 20 games in 2004 in the minors in the OF. So Prado would probably be the better of the 2 in the OF. I really hope we can do better than Uggla this offseason. I would be happy to have him but, I’d want to shoot higher before I’d settle on Dan.
Touche. I still think we need to take the defense more seriously.
TnBrian-But with him in LF, it wouldn’t be like you were losing his bat. All the 2B replacement would need to be is better than who was in the outfield last year.
October 27th, 20104:37 pm
It shouldn’t be too hard to find someone to play OF that was better than who we had last year and leave Prado at 2b
October 27th, 20104:38 pm
Probably easier to find an OF than a 2B
October 27th, 20104:40 pm
Fleming – That is undeniably true, but that attitude (and I’m certainly NOT singling you out here) is scary as hell. Kind of a lowered expectations kind of thing. It’s also what we said about Garrett Anderson last year.
I mean, in the real world, Frank Wren COULD go and move Martin to left, insert Omar at 2B and just find some more bench support and a fourth outfielder..
Probably easier to find an OF
ummm…… We sure seem to have a hard time finding them!
October 27th, 20104:42 pm
And by so doing, have a fairly decent lineup, quite honestly, if Freeman is at least consistent – if not as good as Glaus was for a month and a half..
Lew, here’s what I tend to think will happen. No way Nate gets traded. Obvious reasons. So that’s one OF that will more than likely platoon in LF with somebody, either Diaz or some cheap RH hitting OF they acquire. I see them targeting a CF of somekind, one with some power. I doubt what side of the plate he bats from means much to them if it’s somebody they won’t have to trade a ton to get. CJ/Gonzalez/Prado/Freeman are the opening day starting IF.
Rasmus and Kemp probably cost way too much for the prospect loving Wren to contend with. It’s impossible to say right now who that new CF will be, but I feel sure they get one.
“I really hope we can do better than Uggla this offseason. I would be happy to have him but, I’d want to shoot higher before I’d settle on Dan.”
Yeah. Considering the Braves played crappy defense all of 2010 and had no power. I can’t imagine that they could have found a use for his 287/.369/.508/.877, 33 HR and 105 RBI. LOL!
Now, if what you’re saying is that moving forward you’d rather have better defense and sacrifice some power? That’s cool.
But make no mistake about it. If Dan Uggla was our 2B last year and Prado was in LF? We win the division by 10 games and probably don’t look back (since Prado likely wouldn’t have landed on his hip playing 3B. Very hypothetical, I concede.
But to act like adding Dan Uggla to our lineup wouldn’t be “good enough” or aiming high enough is just silly. Unless you think Pujols, Adrian Gonzalez, Arod, Tex or Josh Hamilton are headed our way this winter. If that’s the case, I agree. Don’t “settle” for Dan Uggla.
October 27th, 20104:43 pm
Not lowered expectations at all. Just saying that if we were looking for a replacement player thats better than what we had in the OF then better OF ers are easier to find than better 2b. Not what I would want done, but easier.
October 27th, 20104:44 pm
Touche. I still think we need to take the defense more seriously.
So do I, brother, don’t think I don’t. But McCann, Prado, Gonzalez, and McLouth (the likely middle of the defense) probably aren’t going to be sterling, serious or no. Corner defense, no matter how good, isn’t likely to compensate for that, thus, I leave the defensive issues to another time.
October 27th, 20104:46 pm
Nathan – Uggla would work for me – said as much last winter, too. However, with the grief Bud Light gave to the Marlins’ ownership this summer about NOT spending their Revenue Sharing $$$$$ on salary and the fact they;’re about to get their new stadium opening next year, it’s time for them to use or leave the outhouse and spend their money. I bet they sign Uggla to a longer term extension, making his acquisition by the Braves a moot point.
October 27th, 20104:47 pm
I refuse to get my hopes up too high this time around. I’m sure we could’ve beaten SF in the NLDS had we had Prado and Chipper in the lineup and producing like I’m sure they would’ve. The Braves probably think this way too, so I don’t see them going all out for a middle of the order type hitter. They have backups for the always hurt CJ in Infante and Conrad. Speaking of Conrad, that’s somebody they should look at real hard and ask themsleves if getting another solid fielding IF for the bench isn’t such a bad idea. We all know Conrad can hit, but that fielding is horrendous. I know they have Hicks who’s a good fielder, but can’t hit sh**.
October 27th, 20104:48 pm
I think the thing people aren’t taking into account with Freeman is that by all reports, the dude can pick it at 1B and the few games we got to seem him play 1B, he was slick as butter over there.
Glaus and Hinske, while servicable, were NOT good defensive 1B. With our infielders (Chipper, Agon, Prado) having a good glove at 1B for a full season will be huge! Look how D. Lee was able to “contribute” defensively even when his bat was ice cold. Freeman will likely do the same.
15 HR, 75 RBI and great defense at 1B will be a very nice addition to our club. It’s pretty much what Glaus provided, minus the defense. Add to that, I think Freeman has the chance to hit more HR than that right away. Wouldn’t be shocked to see 20 from him with a batting average around .250.
I posted this somewhere else recently and got no response.. i”ll try again.
I believe that FW might do something like this: Get Jed Lowrie and Darnell MacDonald , or Jacoby Ellsbury from Boston for Moylan , Infante, and a prospect(s).
Be patient and try to pick up a left fielder/4hitter, in trade, maybe as late as April or May.
Lowrie switch hits and provides as much utility (position wise)as Infante; less average, more pop, and better defense around the infield.
MacDonald and McClouth, dare I say it? platoon. If Wren gets Ellsbury, then center with Nate the 4th outfielder.
Worse case, Lowrie goes to second and Prado to left. Low financial committment and minimun loss of top prospects.
October 27th, 20104:50 pm
TnBrian – I understand about not getting your hopes up, but I wouldn’t worry too much – like I said, at worst you get a fourth outfielder and move Omar to 2nd, Prado to left and you still put a good team out there.
It likely wouldn’t be as good as it could be if Wren could find a good outfield option, but it WOULD work – and likely much better than last year.
October 27th, 20104:52 pm
Lew – I think Infante in LF/2B and Prado at 2B/LF is how we should currently view the lineup. I think this is how Wren probably views the team right now. Which is a good thing because it sets a bar for the additional bat. It has to be good enough to justify putting Omar on the bench or it has to be a CF bat with Nate serving as the fourth OF until he earns a spot in the everyday lineup.
October 27th, 20104:54 pm
Hoot- While that suggestion has much more merit than many that have been proposed, I’d still doubt they would include Moylan. H’s really our only bona fide RH setup man next year – unless you want to exercise the option on Farnsworth or re-sign Proctor (tongue in cheek, of course).
October 27th, 20104:55 pm
LPad-I really would NOT be nervous with that option and a few more minor additions. I’m not sure that’s how Wren looks at it now, but we could do much worse and spend much more to do worse.
October 27th, 20104:56 pm
Lew, I wouldn’t trade Jurrjens if I’m the Braves. You’re doing what they call seeling low and we know how good he is when he’s healthy. If they are desperate for a power hitter come July then you more than likely have a healthier JJ you could float out there in a trade. Sell high, not low. Plus, our pitching is who we are.
Lew, I agree. I don’t think Uggla is going anywhere. And that’s fine. Not sure we can add a 30 HR, 100 RBI outfielder to the mix to replace what having Uggla would do. But Uggla is NOT a good defensive 2B.
So if Wren finds a good fielding LF, with some pop and some speed (maybe a player on the rise?), I’m fine with Prado at 2B. Actually really curious to see what kind of strides TP can make with these guys as an infielder coach. Not that Hubbard was bad. He obviously worked really hard with both Prado and KJ before him. But it’s something to keep our eyes on.
I said it last year. The move that should have been made was Prado in LF and Orlando Hudson and his GG at 2B. Twins nabbed him for 5 million bucks and he’s a free agent again this winter. Guy isn’t that great of a hitter. But the guy can field the ball. Probably make a pretty slick DP partner with Agon. Prado is certainly athletic enough to play LF.
I wouldn’t be opposed to that kind of a move. Prado to LF and find a slick fielding 2B on the free agent market, and make a trade for a CF with some pop who can go get it in CF.
BAM! Up the middle defense improved. Power from LF improved. Since everybody seems so concerned with our lack of power from LF (even though we get more power from 2B and catcher than most teams that don’t have Uggla and Utley).
Been saying it for weeks. Literally hundreds of combinations/directions Wren could go when constructing this lineup for 2011. Should be fun to watch it develop and discuss/debate/argue about it along the way.
It always is.
October 27th, 20104:57 pm
I think Infante in LF/2B and Prado at 2B/LF is how we should currently view the lineup. I think this is how Wren probably views the team right now.
If that’s the bottom line of this offseason, I’ll probably do more than just spit a little.
October 27th, 20104:59 pm
The thing about Uggla is that he’s very capable of regressing and hit .240 for us. Though for the last three years he’s gotten onbase at a .350 clip and hit 30 homers each year.
October 27th, 20105:00 pm
For a 2nd baseman, Prado is right up there at the top of best hitting 2nd baseman in the league. TNBrian
Uggla .287 .369 .508 .877 33HR 105RBI
Prado .307 .350 .459 .809 15HR 66RBI
October 27th, 20105:01 pm
Prado to LF and find a slick fielding 2B on the free agent market
Prado provides plus offense at 2B, not so much as an OF. And the team has already made that kind of move, with the Gonzalez trade. Be kinda hard to have both middle IF hitting 8, wouldn’t it?
Scoots: Frank Wren was the flunky GM next to the (at the time) brilliance of Dave Dombrowski, the man making the moves that built up the Marlins. Let’s not get carried away with Wren’s pedigree as a Marlins front office exec. He is still on trial, and his debacle as Orioles GM is still what he has to live down.
Heyward, Freeman have not proven anything yet, like Chipper, Javy, and Andruw have. Prado is looking like the real deal; ditto McCann, a JS-era pick when they were drafting Georgia players left and right – with little success (i.e., the debacle that was The Baby Braves!).
Gant was a good player, ditto Justice, but not in the same ballpark as Chipper, Javy, and Andruw. Those three players in 20 years does not speak well about our positional player development. I may be a Braves fan, but I choose not to look at the reality through rose-colored glasses; it is what it is.
Most of the players of the past 20 years were only good enough to get teams duped into trading for them. OH!, I forgot about Jermaine Dye (LOL). Make that four – and we missed the boat on him!
scoots – It isn’t the optimal solution, but at least looking at it this way should keep Wren away from the scrap heap acquistions.
TnBrian – I don’t think I mentioned Jurrjens as a trade option, did I? I would certainly like to keep him – especially since I feel his trade value is lower right now than what he’d bring IF healthy – but were we to get another journeyman pitcher til Teheran was ready and go a good return, I wouldn’t mind seeing JJ go.
Since we have two rookies anchoring the rotation and no one ready at Gwinnett this year like last (unless Teheran and Delgado prove ready later in the season) and the fact JJ has three separate injuries last year, I’m doubting the staff changes at all.
LPad and Lew, agree with you guys. Some combo of Infante in LF/2B and Prado playing the other spot wouldn’t be horrible. It would be predicated on a pretty good bat and glove being found for CF.
The only real problem with that solution, is that if (when) Chipper goes down, are we stuck with Brooks’s glove at 3B or 2B? Do we go back to Prado at 3B and Infante at 2B? Does that then mean that McLouth becomes the everyday LF?
All very real (and really scary) realities.
If Wren is to find a new CF from outside the organization (which I’m sure he will), and then have Prado and Infante play 3B and LF, he MUST find another guy like Infante (a guy like DeRosa – though not necessarily him), that can also play multiple positions so whoever gets hurt can be replaced with THAT guy on a temporary basis.
October 27th, 20105:04 pm
scoots – no harder than Gonzo and our LFer. Martin hit 15 HR last year even with the time he missed. 15-20 HR from a LFer would be something new and unique for the Braves – and wouldn’t be so bad since he can hit high in the batting order.
October 27th, 20105:05 pm
Uggla is the REAL DEAL! If he stays in the NL – either with the Marlins or another NL team – he will be a perennial All Star, hitting 25-30 dingers per, driving in 100 per, and getting on base. No regression there.
October 27th, 20105:06 pm
keylargo, I think you misunderstood me. Saying “at the top” for me means he’s not necessarily THE top hitting 2nd baseman in the league, just towards the top.
Lew, no, I don’t remember you mentioning dealing JJ. I was just interested in your opinion on what so many talk about here on trading him. Now I got it. Thanks.
Actually, a .307 BA, .350 OBP, .809 SLG%, 15 HR, 40 2B and 66 RBI would be fine from LF – especially from a lead off hitter..
October 27th, 20105:08 pm
TnBrian – No problem. Like I said – only under the right circumstances, which I doubt will come to pass.
Infante for President
I posted this Q at the end of the other blog right before it shifted over, but do you know what the organization plans to do with Barbaro Canizares? Seems like he’s been in the AAA club forever (thought it’s probably just 2 seasons) and has hit lights out.
October 27th, 20105:09 pm
In my opinion, Dave Dombrowski is one of the most overrated GMs in the league. For example, he traded JJ for Renteria and he gave Dontrelle Willis a 20 million dollars after he came off a 22 loss season. I think I’ll rather have Wren overpay KK. At least, he won some games. Dontrelle spent most of his time with the Tigers in the minors.
And it isn’t like Baltimore has done something since Wren left. In fact, they have one of the worse owners in the league.
Wren proved he was capable enough to JS, who’s consider one of the best all-time. He’s restocked the farm system, while being competitive. That alone is very impressive and hard to do without the Yankee checkbook.
October 27th, 20105:11 pm
Nathan – Good point. I’m just stating what I see to be the worst case scenario – which probably wouldn’t be all that bad if that’s how we had to go. Doubt it will be though.
October 27th, 20105:12 pm
October 27th, 20105:16 pm
N8 – I agree we need to avoid the Conrad glove situation. But, there are some options out there. We could keep Diaz and he could play LF when Chipper’s out, we could get another superutility guy like Mike Morse (sp) from Washington, etc.
If Chipper went down for a long time, no matter who we have out there, we would have to make a trade for Derrek Lee type bat. However, I think the only way Infante in the everyday lineup when Chipper is healthy works is if we get a good bat in CF. I don’t think it works if McLouth is in the lineup because I don’t think he’ll next year.
October 27th, 20105:17 pm
miabchbravefan Gant was a good player, ditto Justice, but not in the same ballpark as Chipper, Javy, and Andruw.
maybe only because they didnt stay with the team that long, but justice was certainly in the same ballpark as those three. in fact, if you ask me to rank those 5 players in terms of who was the best player over their career, i think justice gets 2nd.
October 27th, 20105:18 pm
just for fun ill rank them:
October 27th, 20105:19 pm
I agree on Justice. Chipper, Justice, Andruw (close 3rd), Javy, Gant
October 27th, 20105:24 pm
Justice ahead of Andruw? Really? Andruw was by far a better fielder, he hit 100 or so more HR, 200 more RBI, etc in just one more season than Justice.
Justice hit for a better average, but that was about it. Halle Berry only counts for so many points.
October 27th, 20105:26 pm
Halle Berry only counts for so many points.
If Halle counts at all, Justice wins.
Just noticed that Andruw played in 400 more games than Justice. I don’t care. If asked to pick on in their prime, I’d take Andruw without thinking twice.
October 27th, 20105:27 pm
Justice and Jones keep changing places in my mind.
October 27th, 20105:28 pm
Andruw, that is
October 27th, 20105:39 pm
i put justice at two because of his higher average, OBP, and slugging%. thats right, justice has a higher slg%. he wasnt a huge strikeout guy, either. andruw, on the other hand….
October 27th, 20105:40 pm
Vinny Castilla was a product of the Braves system and he was a pretty good player if I remember correctly.
October 27th, 20106:09 pm
Am I the only one already tired of the “small market/no one knows who the Giants/Rangers” are storyline?
October 27th, 20106:13 pm
All this talk of Prado in LF is ridiculous and unrealistic. The guy started the ASG at 2nd base, why move him? He’s the best 2nd baseman we have. This team needs a legit, base stealing lessors man and an everyday LF’er who can hit 25 HR’s. They really aren’t as far away from being really good as some of you think. What they don’t need is anymore OF platoons or cheap veterans, who “might” produce. I’m so sick of signing aging guys on the cheap and hoping they can get it done. Trade from our pitching surplus and make the team better. There is no way all of these young arms will turn into studs.
McFann O O – 6
October 27th, 20106:14 pm
MiaBchBravesFan McCann (MAYBE, as his position has taxed him greatly)
He is a perennial All-Star, though…or at least, he has been so far.
October 27th, 20106:15 pm
LPad- you’re not alone. Shutter to think how Tim McCarver will handle it tonight. Maybe I’ll mute it and just watch the picture.
Here’s another one of my favorite commercials of all time:
October 27th, 20106:24 pm
” put justice at two because of his higher average, OBP, and slugging%. thats right, justice has a higher slg%. he wasnt a huge strikeout guy, either. andruw, on the other hand….”
So you’re saying if you had to choose between Andruw and Justice, in their prime, you’d take Justice? Well… ok then.
October 27th, 20106:26 pm
NJBrave – The thinking on Prado in LF is that he will hit 15 to 20 HR with 600 PA’s and Uggla is going to hit 30 or 35 at 2nd if acquired. He might be the answer if no legit 25/ 30 HR LFer can be found. That’s 50 or so dingers from those two positions either way.
October 27th, 20106:32 pm
The Atlanta Braves had 3 players with 40 Home Runs in one season. Who are they?
October 27th, 20106:41 pm
C.JONES, H.AARON, E. MATHEWS
October 27th, 20106:44 pm
Same year richbrave
October 27th, 20106:45 pm
Course if it’s just ATLANTA and not BOSTON or MILWAUKEE there’s A. JONES 51, H.AARON 47, C.JONES 41, 1999
October 27th, 20106:49 pm
1973 H.AARON, HOWDY DOODY, D. JOHNSON
Hank AAron in 1999? He was great but he would have been about 65 then. The pitching was not that bad in 99.
October 27th, 20106:52 pm
October 27th, 20106:56 pm
I wasn’t saying all three in one year, I just mentioned that CHIPPER got his 45 in 1999. ‘DRUW in ‘05 and AARON in ‘71, I believe.
October 27th, 20106:57 pm
Hank Aaron, Darrel Evans, and Davey Johnson. 1973, I believe.
October 27th, 20106:58 pm
I forgot about Vinny Castilla, another one that got away in the expansion draft. He and Dye both turned out pretty well – for other teams.
October 27th, 20106:59 pm
I see The Giants manager has Buster hitting 3rd, and Patt Burrel hitting 4th. I’m not sure why, but I must say that I admire his willingness to change the lineup.
That being said, you wonder if it will work.
So keylargo 1973 was the momentous year, no? Si? OUI?
October 27th, 20107:05 pm
Rank of home grown Braves in past 20 years – non-pitchers
October 27th, 20107:06 pm
Yep richbrave, 1973 was the year. Davey Johnson hit 43 HR and played 2nd for the Braves then. Someone proposing Uggla for 2nd made me think about him.
October 27th, 20107:15 pm
Lets WIN TONIGHT RANGERS! May Jeff have a great WS
1973 was an awesome year for those three. Hank got all the way up to 713 that season. April of ‘74 was open season on the Babe ; first Jack Billingham in Cincy, Opening Day, then Al Downing at home on Monday Night Baseball on NBC. I heard Milo give the call on WKAT 1360 down here AND Curt Gowdy’s call on The Peacock.
755 is STILL the record; screw barry bonds!!!
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